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whilst having my soup and reading the mail i came across this story of a woman complaining she never got the job of a hobbit in the new film due to her skin being to dark!

Briton Naz Humphreys, who has Pakistani heritage, attended a casting session in Hamilton, New Zealand, last week and stood in line for three hours only to be told her skin tone was not suitable.

The Waikato Times said video footage from the audition showed the casting manager telling people they were looking for light-skinned people to play hobbits.

Ms Humphreys, who is in New Zealand on a working holiday with her husband, told the newspaper: 'It's 2010 and I still can't believe I'm being discriminated against because I have brown skin.

'The casting manager basically said they weren't having anybody who wasn't pale-skinned.'

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is this acceptable in the age of political correctness?

but at what point should a book be followed or indeed transferred to a film?

can i apply to be james bond and when refused claim disability discrimination?

or indeed play a part in a remake of zulu as a warrior?
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Posted: 11/30/2010 5:41:15 AM this acceptable in the age of political correctness?

As long as it is completely self serving and forgoes any consideration of the other parties involved, it is absolutely acceptable [in the mind of the person making the claim].
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Posted: 12/1/2010 10:38:10 AM
No need to ask -- witness the death of The Black and White Minstrel show on TV ...

.. oh wait , no, it was axed coz it was cr@p .......
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 12/7/2010 11:40:43 AM
can racial discrimination be acceptable...?

Should be the question, and the answer is clearly "NO".
So the question:

can racial discrimination be acceptable in films.?

Should give us the same answer.
However, in cases where historical accuracy is being attempted, it would make sense to cast appropriately.

But in this case, we are talking about a "Hobbit"..
Which is a fictitious character!
You can't really have an "inaccurate" hobbit!
And if the skin tone was an issue, surely they could think of some way around that "problem"...??

He also had brown hair. Until we had a blond one.

James Bond is also fictitious.....
So historical accuracy doesn't come into it, in the same way that a 7' African, playing Hitler would.
And most screen-plays include many scenes not in the original books ..
(Or did you think that there were really that many car-chases in the bible...?)

There certainly has been much racial discrimination, and "type-casting" in the film industry, in the past.
Watching old films, can give a fascinating insight into the changing of societies' views.
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Posted: 12/8/2010 7:58:21 AM
Yup, cos I can't ever see a white woman cast as the President of Zimbabwe in a film whether the tale is factual or not!
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Posted: 12/9/2010 7:10:05 AM
If a Caucasian actor applied for a role in a Bollywood movie and got turned down, would anyone cry racism?
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:03:54 AM

And would anybody bat an eyelid if a "caucasian" actor plays an Indian or call it racist ? No.
Example:- Peter Sellers as the Indian doctor in the Millionairess and thats bcuz both Peter Sellers and the stereotypical Indian doctor are , actually caucasian .

Film maker's would not be able to get away with that these days.

There are MANY 1950's, 1960's and 1970's films where caucasian actors play stereotypical indian/asian characters.

Moving into the 1980's/1990's, one of my favourite TV shows of all time is Red Dwarf, but they couldn't make TV like that anymore, it's just far too un"PC".
Instead we have the likes of "Little Britain" which employs American slapstick humour and only seems to pick on the social minorities that can't defend themselves.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:10:13 PM

The question is why can't a black/asian women play a Hobbit they were never all described as white in the books.

can you provide proof where there was a black/asian hobbit in the book?
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Posted: 12/15/2010 4:19:09 AM
Caucasian actor's and singers should be banned completely, because that wouldn't be racist at all.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 12:30:19 AM

If there is a set criteria for casting a movie, and pale skinned people are wanted, then why take it so effing personally?? It's just what's required. People cry over absolutely anything and everything these days!!

Get over it already

Well said Abbie !
Directors and producers make the film THEY want to make, and if they want to portray a f******in hobbit as white and not black, then thats their prerogative.
Talk about mountains and molehills ..............
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:28:27 AM
The director probably thought that all hobbits are white.

But probably they were dark. The hobbits spent a lot of time outside. Back in the 30s, poor people used to spend nearly all their time outside, and they were known to be really, really dark, because of so much time in the Sun.

So I don't think that the director was intentionally being racist. But I DO think he probably miscast the hobbits by picking white people.

RE Msg: 6 by zendy:
Before Obama became president,it was quite rare to see a blackman being cast as the US president in any major movie.Infact the only movie I know this happend was Morgan Freeman in Amageedon.
You're thinking of "Deep Impact". However, "24" had 2 black presidents. Here's a list of the black presidents in movies and TV:
Writers and directors have featured a black man as president in several memorable portrayals. There have been film and television proposals based on the idea, as well.

The first movie portrayal of a black American president was probably that of Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1933 film Rufus Jones for President. In this short musical comedy, the 7-year-old Davis is told by his mother, portrayed by Ethel Waters, that anyone can become president, and later dreams of his own inauguration. Outside the dreams, the film reflects contemporary racist attitudes.

The 1941 musical movie Babes on Broadway included Judy Garland in black male drag singing a song "Franklin Delano Jones", about the first black president of the United States.

"When Rod Serling adapted Irving Wallace's "The Man" to the screen in 1972, the political climate had changed sufficiently that he could promote Douglass Dilman from survivor to competitor—a genuine leader who, after standing up to his white rivals, vows to win the presidency through "legitimate" electoral means." With James Earl Jones starring in 1972, the film version had a heroic black man as president, who ended the film in a position of moral authority.

In 1977 comedian Richard Pryor portrayed the first black president of the United States in a skit on The Richard Pryor Show, his short-lived foray on NBC television.

The 1987 animated series Spiral Zone is the first television show in history to show a serious depiction of an African-American president of the United States in the episode The "Imposter".

In the 1997 science fantasy film The Fifth Element, Tom Lister, Jr. portrayed President Lindberg, a character who was the World President, rather than simply a U.S. President.

A generation after The Man, the 1998 science fiction film Deep Impact featured black actor Morgan Freeman as president Tom Beck. Freeman portrayed his role with such commanding authority that it probably contributed to his coming in second in Moviefone's poll of "Best Movie Presidents". The question was whether a black man indeed had to be this superior to be elected. Critic Louis Bayard noticed that Dennis Haysbert seemed to adopt Freeman's cadences for his own role as president.

In the hit show 24, a television precedent was set when Dennis Haysbert portrayed the lead character David Palmer, a successful terrorism-fighting president. Critic Charles Taylor described him as showing "the determination of magnetism, brains, resolve, compassion and willingness to make tough calls we dream of in a president." After the show portrayed the assassination of Palmer, his brother Wayne, played by D.B. Woodside, was also elected president. The Jerusalem Post speculated in June 2008 that television ratings "may have predicted Obama's primary victory over Hillary Clinton, as the most recent female television president appears to have been less popular than the black leaders of 24."

In 2000, Chris Tucker planned on writing, directing, producing and starring in a movie about the first black president of the United States.

Chris Rock wrote, directed, and starred as presidential candidate Mays Gilliam in the 2003 comedy Head of State, described as "undernourished." The movie's tagline was "The only thing white is the house". Another critic described Rock as in way over his head, and found it "depressing to see Rock pander to the most reactionary elements of the black audience." He also was surprised at some of the settings. "Rock doesn't seem to know much about contemporary America; when his character travels to Memphis (a majority-black city with a black mayor) we see only white people."

In 2004, a sketch on Chappelle's Show called "Black Bush" featured Dave Chappelle as an African-American "interpretation" of then President George W. Bush and his administration. It was controversial due to its set-up segment (which had Chappelle mocking fellow comedian Dennis Miller over the comedian's infamous "free pass" comment regarding not saying anything bad about George W. Bush) and its overall theme that if Bush and his top aides were black, that the public would be more willing to be critical of the President and his decisions. The sketch also features cameo appearances by actor Jamie Foxx, who appears as "Black Tony Blair" and Mos Def as "Black Head of the CIA" holding "Yellowcake from Africa (Anthony Berry's character warns the other not to "drop that shit", though it is clearly just yellow cake).

In CBS's 2004 TV series Century City's fictional timeline, Oprah Winfrey is the US President.

Mike Judge's 2006 Idiocracy featured President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho as a former porn star and champion wrestler played by erstwhile NFL defensive end Terry Alan Crews. Critic Bayard thought it odd that the lead character seemed so little advanced from earlier 20th century caricatures. The "joke is essentially unchanged from the days of Rufus Jones: These are the last guys in the world -- or any world -- you'd want to vote for."

Amazing, isn't it?
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