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 moonwalkerman
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I had a discussion with somebody today about the Israeli settlement policy. It seems that every time Israel builds somewhere, it is being criticized. When Palestinians build, be it on 'disputed' territory or not, nobody cares. What's the difference ?
In that regard, I really wonder if people know what they support when they support the cause of Palestine. It is a society where women have no rights, where gay and lesbian people get the death penalty, where atheists and anybody who decides not to follow Islam gets the death penalty. The main negotiator for the PA, Mahmoud Abbas, is one of the two masterminds of the Munich hostage crisis in 1972. How many people know that ?
I just don't get it - why are these people supported by large amounts of money from the EU and the US ?
 pretzelman60
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Posted: 10/15/2011 4:54:41 PM
Maybe, just maybe..the Israelis say they want peace. But everything they do, undermines the peace process.They would cease building on accupied territory. A territory that all the world says belongs to the Palestians. Of course, America is the one exception.

Are you aware that Netanyahu, stated, "We don't do what the United States tell us to do, We tell them what to do". Some statement for an "ally"

They say that they have no problem with the Palestinians having their own country as long as :
They don't have an armed military
Don't have there own airspace
they agree to the bounderies that Israel sets

My question is Is Isreal willing to set the same rules for it'self? Of course not! They want to continue to dominate the Palestinians and the entire region. Of course, with the United States giving them free reign to do whatever they wish.

The Palestinians deserve to have their own homeland just as any other nation does. If you were to read the bible, you would see that some of the land Israel claims is theirs, is actually not. It belongs to Palestine.

JMO
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 10/16/2011 9:49:02 AM
Well, after all, the leader of ANY nation would be a fool to say OTHER than that they "didn't do what X country says." That's not the measure of an ally, it's the requirement of an elected politician.

There are an inherent conflict of necessities and of goals and of security concerns that abound in that area.

The notion that ANY nation is the "natural," or Historic" owners of ANY patch of ground, is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY in that ancient crossroads of human migration that we refer to these days as "the middle east."
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:01:04 PM
I wonder if the OP knows that Menachen Begin was an extreme terrorist, rsponsible for the massacre of hundreds of Palestinians and for the bombing of the British headquarters in Jerusalem?


The notion that ANY nation is the "natural," or Historic" owners of ANY patch of ground, is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY in that ancient crossroads of human migration that we refer to these days as "the middle east."


I agree. I would just go by what was agreed when the State of Israel was formed. Any other land that Israel took over by force after that date doesn't belong to Israel and should be returned to the Palestinians.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
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Posted: 10/21/2011 11:15:51 PM
Simple answer? Because if they have the responsibility to their people to act like a Nation state, they the actually have to BE a nation state, run by the rules of nation states, and running terrorist ops tends to run counter to those citizens.

Case in point, Libya.

Want to end Hamas as a terroist group? Give them a seat at the table, some skin in the game, and let them know they have to be political grown ups now.

Arguably, it's worked with the IRA.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/16/2012 11:33:17 AM

Any other land that Israel took over by force after that date doesn't belong to Israel and should be returned to the Palestinians.


Borders have been changed by wars countless times, all through history, and all around the world. Land captured in war belongs to the victor. Israel was forced to fight in 1956, 1967, and 1973 against neighboring Arab states who had formed alliances to destroy it. Nations that start wars of aggression have to live with the consequences. Syria has no valid claim to the Golan Heights, any more than Jordan has a valid claim to the West Bank.

Leftists and Muslim jihadists have a common cause--they both hate America and Israel and want to see them brought down. "The Palestinians" is a propaganda phrase cooked up by these anti-American anti-Semites to suggest that the local Arabs are somehow a distinct people. They are not. Before the 1960's and the PLO, the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" were strictly geographic and applied just as much to Jews and their institutions as to Arabs and theirs.

HAMAS, as its charter says, is "the wing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine." I don't expect the U.S. government to support it in the fight it started this week. Israel has a very strong force, including heavy weapons and supported from the air, ready to invade Gaza. And it may do that any time now--it would take only one rocket to land in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem and cause casualties. The leaders of HAMAS, war criminals that they are, have used the people of Gaza, including women and children, as human shields. Mosques and schools and hospitals contain caches of weapons, and the sites from which rockets are launched at random against Israeli civilians are often placed right in residential areas.

Many hundreds or even thousands of Arabs in Gaza may be killed, thanks to these cowards who have chosen to start a war by firing missiles at civilians across the border. I only hope Israeli forces finish the job and destroy HAMAS for good. Let the Gazan Arabs learn firsthand what it costs to support attacks on Israel, and let the world's other jihadists see the fate they can expect, if they dare to attack it. Mr. Morsi has sent his prime minister to Gaza as a token of support for his fellow Muslim Brothers. He knows better, though, than to abrogate a treaty that has been in place since 1979 and involve Egypt in a large-scale war. But maybe some of the jihadists' Jew-hating leftist friends who are taking up space in the U.S. would like to go to Gaza and die alongside them.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:52:25 AM

No thinking person would accept that bunch of crap as anything having to do with the facts.


Funny--that's just what I would say about the falsehoods un-American leftist dimwits are so fond of spreading. Israel had every right to kill Ahmed Jabari, a sworn enemy and a military target who was responsible for the deaths of many Israelis.

The likes of you don't want to see Jews defend themselves--you want to see them sit back and let jihadist savages murder them. Your ilk wishes Jews harm just like you wish America harm. But Israel cares no more if leftists hate it than they care if the jihadists they support hate it. Scream all you like, while Israel teaches these lousy curs a very painful lesson.
 cotter
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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:41:18 PM

Many hundreds or even thousands of Arabs may be killed ...
Ya ... you wish.

The Zionists will use any excuse to kill Palestinians and steal their land. Just seems to me to be same old, same old ... only escalated in order to draw more attention to things.

The US won't start a war with Iran for the "bullies of the Middle East", so now they have to direct their frustration at killing more Palestinians. Picking on weaklings is like a sport to them. They're not happy unless they're killing some weaker entity.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:53:22 PM
I see Barack Hussein Obama has some fellow Marxist anti-Semites on these forums. These leftist authoritarians are bigoted and intolerant. They have an irrational hatred of Jews, like the Brownshirts they resemble in so many ways, and they have no use for facts. But what ignorant bigot ever has?

The current violence did not start with the targeted attack on that car several days ago. It had started about ten days earlier, in the week before the November 6 election. In a few days that week, HAMAS, which governs Gaza and is the main wing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine, launched about 150 artillery rockets into Israel.

When has any nation, ever in history, not had the right to defend its citizens against armed attacks across its borders? Never. The UN Charter formally recognizes the right of any country to use force to defend itself. And a nation's right to self-defense is all the more clear when its attacker openly declares its goal is to exterminate it. There is no talking with someone who will only be satisfied when he's killed you. There is only killing him first.

This year, HAMAS has launched more than 700 artillery rockets from Gaza, purposely targeting Israeli towns and cities. The intentional targeting of civilians is a war crime. So is the use of civilians as human shields. HAMAS has regularly and intentionally done that, storing weapons in schools, mosques, and hospitals, and siting its rocket launchers in heavily populated areas. But you won't hear Barack Hussein Obama or his supporters condemn these Islamist murderers as war criminals.

What is happening in Israel and Gaza and Sinai is just part of a drift toward Islamist control that's infecting the whole region. Turkey, only a few years ago a close ally of Israel, now has an Islamist government under Mr. Erdogan. Mr. Obama thinks he can trust him. Syria is full of jihadists, and the civil war there could easily end with a hostile Islamist government taking power. In North Africa, Muslim jihadists now control northern Mali. Tunisia, until recently strongly pro-Western, now has a government dominated by Islamists. As we saw a couple months ago, much of Libya, especially in the East, is lawless and riddled with jihadist groups. And Egypt, with 75 million people the largest and most important Arab country, is now governed by Mr. Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood.

Barack Hussein Obama is sympathetic to these Islamists. To cite one of many possible examples, officials of CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood's mouthpiece in the U.S., are frequent guests at White House functions. Obama's signals of friendship have not been lost on the many tens of millions of Islamists who want to spread shariah around the whole world. Thank God Israel is willing to go to war with these aggressive supremacists, if need be, because the government of this country is fully prepared to keep appeasing them. I don't know whether Obama is purposely working against this country or is just a fool, but his continued appeasement of Islamists is putting us all in a more and more dangerous position.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:39:50 PM

I see Barack Hussein Obama has some fellow Marxist anti-Semites on these forums... They have an irrational hatred of Jews

And yet that "Marxist anti-Semite" with the "irrational hatred of Jews" is still POTUS... with no small help from the majority of Jewish voters... Fancy that, a majority of Jewish Americans helping to vote in that "Marxist anti-Semite" with the "irrational hatred of Jews"... I guess they don't see his shirt to be nearly as brown as you do... I wonder why that is (no, not really)...

The current violence did not start with the targeted attack on that car several days ago. It had started about ten days earlier, in the week before the November 6 election. In a few days that week, HAMAS, which governs Gaza and is the main wing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine, launched about 150 artillery rockets into Israel.

It wouldn't have started at all if the oppressive Zionist regime would bring an end to their brutal, murderous occupation and siege of the Palestinian lands

When has any nation, ever in history, not had the right to defend its citizens against armed attacks across its borders?

Exactly... I see you get it... Of course the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against the brutal, murderous occupation and siege of the Palestinian lands by the oppressive Zionist regime...
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:42:58 AM
You know, no president of the US will bring peace to Palestine and Isreal...the best a US President can do is attempt to see both sides of the coin and help the two factions to the negotiating table and arbitrate an equitable peace (if there is such a thing).

Of course, the chicken hawks of the repuglicant party want to disparage our President as an anti-Semite...what else is new? and another lie.

President Barack Obama on Sunday defended Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip, but he warned that escalating the offensive with Israeli ground troops could deepen the death toll and undermine any hope of a peace process with the Palestinians.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-defends-israels-defend-itself-140746194.html
 cotter
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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:56:37 AM
I sincerely doubt the Zionists really want any kind of peace ... rather they are hell-bent on apartheid and any kind of killing of Palestinians they can propagate.

http://972mag.com/poll-israelis-support-discrimination-against-arabs-embrace-the-term-apartheid/58258/
By Noam Sheizaf
Published October 23, 2012
Poll: Israelis support discrimination against Arabs, embrace the term apartheid
A majority of the public wants the state to discriminate against Palestinians, says a poll published in Haaretz. The findings don’t reflect a failure in education, as some might argue, but rather the inherently discriminatory nature of the state and the result of decades-long occupation.

Gideon Levy reports in Haaretz today the findings of a survey that reveals deeply-rooted racism in Israeli society, and a desire of most of the Jewish public to practice ethnic segregation between Arabs and Jews. This is the front page story of Haaretz today. The poll was conducted by Prof. Camil Fuchs, one of the respected pollsters in Israel.

According to the poll, a clear majority in the Jewish public (59 percent) wants the government to give preference to Jews in the admissions to jobs in the public sector, half of the public wants the government to generally treat Jews better than Arabs, and over 40 percent would like to see separate housing and classes for Jews and Arabs.


Killing Palestinians and taking their land is what Zionists have been doing for 64 years. For those who were not part of it when it began, there should be hope it would come to an end ... but it appears it is just propagated among the Zionists.

http://972mag.com/for-palestinians-the-nakba-is-not-history/45771/
For Palestinians, the Nakba is not
By Aziz Abu Sarah
Published May 15, 2012

Nakba has a dual meaning today. On one hand, it is about the hundreds of villages that were razed in 1948 and the hundreds of thousands of refugees who lost their homes. On the other hand, Palestinians continue to suffer the Nakba daily – the separation of families, continuous confiscations of land and settlements choking every Palestinian village and town.

Palestinians today mark 64 years since the Nakba (catastrophe). They are not commemorating a historical event that has long passed, or a sad moment in their past. Many of the Palestinian people are living the reality of the Nakba today. The pain of the open wound has not healed.

Sixty-four years after the Nakba, Palestinians still have no state and no equality. Refugee camps still exist all over the world and a majority of Palestinians live in the diaspora. Against their will, the Nakba divided the Palestinian people between Palestine and diaspora, between Gaza and the West Bank, between those who hold a refugee identification card and who don’t.

The Nakba has a dual meaning today. On one hand, it is about the hundreds of villages that were razed in 1948 and the hundreds of thousands of refugees who lost their homes.


We have all sorts of different bi-racial and or mixed marriages and relationships here, but the Zionists will have none of that going on over there!

http://972mag.com/the-holy-war-against-arab-jewish-relations-and-the-jerusalem-lynch/54198/
The holy war against Arab-Jewish relations and the Jerusalem lynch
By Noam Sheizaf
Published August 21, 2012

Those who attacked Palestinians in central Jerusalem claimed they wanted to prevent them from speaking to Jewish girls. The fear of interracial relations once found only in the fringes of the right are now turning into a legitimate, mainstream political issue in national-religious circles.

Jerusalem Police are still carrying out arrests of suspects – mostly teenagers – in Friday’s shocking attack that took place in the city’s center. A few dozen Israeli Jews beat up three Palestinians, leaving one gravely injured and still hospitalized. According to several testimonies, the attackers also tried to interfere with medical treatment being provided to the wounded. At least one of the suspects was quoted in the Jewish media expressing regret that he and his friends weren’t able to kill their victim.

The event happened only several hours after a firebomb was thrown at a Palestinian taxi, leaving six people wounded. The events were unrelated, but they brought back fears of Jewish terrorism against Palestinians. As Roi Maor notes, unlike Palestinian attacks on Jews, attacks by Jews are under-reported, under-investigated, and under-prosecuted by the authorities.

The latest attack was rightly condemned by left-wing and (few) right-wing politicians. Less discussed was the motive given by some of the suspects for their attempted lynch. According to an eyewitness account published by Yedioth Ahronoth, the attackers claimed that the Palestinians tried to talk to a Jewish girl. Other reports claimed the attack had to do with the desire to prevent contact between Palestinian teenagers and Jewish girls.

There are several organizations promoting ethnic segregation in Israel, with a special emphasis on preventing relations between Jewish girls and Palestinian men.

Gee ... I wonder if perhaps a Zionist threw that firebomb on Israeli land/territory? I suppose though, that we might have a few resident Zionists who might even promote the idea that a Palestinian threw that firebomb at the Palestinian taxi in order to make it look like a Zionist did it so they could all start fighting.

Oh well ... it appears that the stealing of the land is ongoing ... as usual.

http://imeu.net/news/article0023077.shtml
Bedouin village in Negev to be destroyed, Jewish settlement to be built on site

By Noam Sheizaf
+972 Blog, Oct 3, 2012

Last month, I visited along with a group of other +972 bloggers the village of Umm al-Hiran, in the northeastern part of the Negev, a few kilometers south of the Green Line. Residents were anxiously waiting a decision regarding the fate of their village, which was up for destruction by state authorities.

Umm Al-Hiran is one of roughly 40 unrecognized Bedouin villages, some of them predating the state itself. Those villages are deprived of basic government services, like running water and electricity; they are not entitled to zoning plans, such that every house built in these villages is at risk of demolition.

As it happens, Umm al-Hiram stands on the site of one of 10 new Jewish settlements the Prime Minister’s Office seeks to build in the area. In 2010, a state zoning committee recommended recognizing Umm al-Hiran, but Prime Minister Netanyahu’s office overruled that decision. The new settlement, called Hiran, will offer housing subsidies for national-religious families.

The Bedouin in this village have an especially strong case, since they were sent there by the state of Israel itself. Following the 1948 war, members of the Abu Al-Qian tribe were evicted from their lands in the western Negev (currently the site of Kibbutz Shoval). After settling in a temporary site, they were sent in the mid-50s by the military governor - who was put in charge of the Palestinian population after the war - to the Yatir area, where they currently live.

Last week, Umm Al-Hiran’s 500 residents received grim news: the National Council for Planning voted unanimously against the objections to the plan, filed in their name by Adalah and Bimkon, two NGOs. The Council said that the residents of the village have three options: to move to nearby Horah, to buy lots in the new Hiran (which are well beyond their means), or wait for new zoning plans for them (which will not prevent the immediate destruction of their village).
Yuppers ... here they go again!

Nothing new. Steal the land, bulldoze the buildings and then build the posh green settlements for the Zionists.

OT ...
The US needs to support the 64-year underdog ... and NOT the greedy, killer Zionists.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:49:06 AM
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the oppressive Zionist regime would bring an end to their brutal, murderous occupation and siege of the Palestinian lands . . . if the oppressive Zionist regime would bring an end to their brutal, murderous occupation and siege of the Palestinian lands . . . Of course the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against the brutal, murderous occupation and siege of the Palestinian lands by the oppressive Zionist regime...


Your deep knowledge and astute reasoning is matched only by the richness of your writing. Did you get your hackneyed phrases from the Daily Kos, Media Matters, an old copy of Ramparts or Soviet Life, or some other source of communist propaganda? Or maybe you'd like to take full credit for them.

There is no such thing as "the Palestinians," at least not in the sense you and other leftist propagandists imply. The local Jews are every bit as much "Palestinians" as the one-and-one-half million or so Arabs in Gaza. Portraying the Gazans as a separate, distinct people is a flimsy ruse. Its purpose is to support the laughable claim that they have some special national status with all the rights that accompany it. They do not.

When Egypt first attacked Israel in 1948, it did not succeed in destroying it, but it did manage to keep control of the Gaza Strip when the fighting stopped. An authority was set up under which Gaza was partly autonomous. Twenty years later, when Egypt and its Arab allies again threatened to destroy Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967, they were decisively beaten and Israel took control of Gaza.

It is the victor that has always had the say about land acquired in war. That is all the more fair when, as in this case, the defeated nations had ganged up on the victor with the intention of completely destroying it as a nation. When you start a fight and lose it, it is no one's fault but your own, and you have to live with the consequences. The Gazan Arabs gambled by throwing in against Israel and lost, but they have been treated far better than most conquered peoples throughout history. No Arab country has ever done very much to help them--if the hearts of Egyptians or Jordanians bleed so much for them, let them take them into their countries.

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the chicken hawks of the repuglicant party want to disparage our President as an anti-Semite...what else is new? and another lie.


Or, it could be the chicken hawks of the dimocrap party who are spreading yet another lie--what else is new--by claiming Mr. Obama is *not* an anti-Semite.

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Killing Palestinians and taking their land is what Zionists have been doing for 64 years.


I can tell how knowledgeable you are. If you think you have any real, verifiable evidence that Israel acquired even one square foot of its current territory in violation of international law, present it. Until then, I don't consider anti-Semitic propaganda you found in a free paper at the bong shop or on some dopey communist website worth responding to.


The US needs to support the 64-year underdog ... and NOT the greedy, killer Zionists.


Greedy? That sounds suspiciously like a dog whistle word. Down through history, one of the justifications for persecuting Jews used by people who hated Jews like you evidently do was that they were "greedy." Just a few decades ago, it was taboo among so-called liberals to be down on Jews--show even a trace of anti-Semitism at a party, and you'd never get invited to another one. Today, though, anti-Semitism is as acceptable among leftists as it was among the ignorant, resentful, leftist street rabble that metastasized into the SA. And today's leftists also have a lot in common with the Muslim jihadists they never tire of defending--they both hate Jews and they both hate the United States.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:12:09 PM

Or, it could be the chicken hawks of the dimocrap party who are spreading yet another lie--what else is new--by claiming Mr. Obama is *not* an anti-Semite.


69% of the Jewish population of these great United States think you are wrong at best and a liar at worst...

Of course, you could always prove me wrong by posting an anti-semitic quote by President Obama to prove your assertion...but, that would mean you'd have to use facts to justify a position...when arbitary claims work so much better for you.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:05:55 PM
Your deep knowledge and astute reasoning is matched only by the richness of your writing. Did you get your hackneyed phrases from the Daily Kos, Media Matters, an old copy of Ramparts or Soviet Life, or some other source of communist propaganda? Or maybe you'd like to take full credit for them.

None of the above... They came from years of observing the reality of the actions of the gov't of Israel, it's many terrorist leaders and the ignorant, bigotted trash that support it/them... It also came from a desire to express the fullness of the depravity of the oppressive Zionist Regime in as brief a way and as small a space as possible... Sounds like it worked, even you understood it...

There is no such thing as "the Palestinians," at least not in the sense you and other leftist propagandists imply.

Well, I see you are right on programme... The first step of racist fascists is to deny the 'identity' of the intended victim... makes it so much easier to kill them without the slightest shred of remorse or humanity... Wouldn't be the first time you talked about killing Muslims though, would it...?


Or, it could be the chicken hawks of the dimocrap party who are spreading yet another lie--what else is new--by claiming Mr. Obama is *not* an anti-Semite.

69% of the Jewish population of these great United States think you are wrong at best and a liar at worst...

That has already been pointed out to the poster... well, not the 69% number... It was evaded, as usual, since it is a fact and we all know how allergic to facts and reason some posters can be...
 cotter
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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:46:32 PM

Just a few decades ago, it was taboo among so-called liberals to be down on Jews--show even a trace of anti-Semitism at a party, and you'd never get invited to another one. Today, though, anti-Semitism is as acceptable among leftists as it was among the ignorant, resentful, leftist street rabble that metastasized into the SA.
It's already been established (here in the forums) that being anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic, rather it's nothing more than being "anti-political". There is no crime in that and certainly no shame.

The real shame is that Zionism can no longer attract converts because it is an ideology of militant ethnocracy ... which is exactly what Israel has become because there certainly is no equality in the way it treats the different ethnicities that live there ... thus not any kind of real democracy.

And today's leftists also have a lot in common with the Muslim jihadists they never tire of defending--they both hate Jews and they both hate the United States.
I know I don't hate Jews or the United States and I haven't noticed that any of my "leftist" friends either hate Jews or the the United States, so I'm having a difficult time with that statement!


Wouldn't be the first time you talked about killing Muslims though, would it...?
Ya ... he is good at that!
 part deux
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:13:20 PM
Sorry guys, a whole bunch of people will die on both sides-and nothing will change.
This isn't even mildly fun to debate.
It's just way too sad.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:21:33 PM
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69% of the Jewish population of these great United States think you are wrong at best and a liar at worst...


I doubt you know what they think. I'm sure a lot of people think the likes of you are wrong at best and liars at worst.

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it's many terrorist leaders


There is no apostrophe in the possessive "its." I'm surprised someone who knows as much as you pretend to wouldn't know something so basic.


and the ignorant, bigotted trash that support it/them


I consider Jew-hating, America-hating communists ignorant, bigoted (only one "t") trash.


The first step of racist fascists


That is exactly what I consider Jew-haters like you. And I 'm not surprised that, true to form, you slunk away rather than confront the point. There is no such people as "the Palestinians," and there never has been. It is a lie concocted by communist propagandists who hate Jews, hate America, and side with murderous jihadist groups like HAMAS and Hizballah.


Wouldn't be the first time you talked about killing Muslims though, would it...?


That's funny, coming from someone who so obviously wants to see Jews exterminated.


we all know how allergic to facts and reason some posters can be


From everything I've seen of your nasty drivel, that's a pretty good description of you. Little knowledge, big mouth.

#17

It's already been established (here in the forums) that being anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic


Oh really? It's not established just because you say so. I think it's clear that what leftists who despise Israel disguise as "anti-Zionism" is nothing but good old-fashioned Nazi-style Jew-hating.

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And he doesn't have any problem with the IDF soldiers killing a 12 year old boy playing soccer, as long as the boy is an arab boy.


You're damned right I don't. And under the laws of war, it is the jihadist war criminals who intentionally used him and other civilians in Gaza as human shields who bear full responsibility for their deaths. Read the Geneva Conventions--there may be a Cliff's Note's version even leftists could understand.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:30:23 PM

it's many terrorist leaders

There is no apostrophe in the possessive "its." I'm surprised someone who knows as much as you pretend to wouldn't know something so basic.

and the ignorant, bigotted trash that support it/them

I consider Jew-hating, America-hating communists ignorant, bigoted (only one "t") trash.

Wouldn't be the first time you talked about killing Muslims though, would it...?

That's funny, coming from someone who so obviously wants to see Jews exterminated.

we all know how allergic to facts and reason some posters can be

From everything I've seen of your nasty drivel, that's a pretty good description of you. Little knowledge, big mouth.

ROFLMAO

Chanting what amounts to "I know you are but what am I" and making spelling corrections...?

The best rebuttal you could come up with was to channel Pee-Wee Herman and Noah Webster...? That's beyond sad...
ROFLMAO


The first step of racist fascists

That is exactly what I consider Jew-haters like you. And I 'm not surprised that, true to form, you slunk away rather than confront the point. There is no such people as "the Palestinians," and there never has been. It is a lie concocted by communist propagandists who hate Jews, hate America, and side with murderous jihadist groups like HAMAS and Hizballah.

Oh really...? Just because you declare it so doesn't make it so... I think it's clear that what Islamophobic rightists who support an oppressive, murderous regime try to disguise as "support for Israel" is nothing but an old-fashioned desire for the ethnocide of Palestinian Arabs (and in some cases, apparently, Muslims in general)...
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 20
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Posted: 11/19/2012 5:19:47 AM

And he doesn't have any problem with the IDF soldiers killing a 12 year old boy playing soccer, as long as the boy is an arab boy
What a crock of Liberal BS..you have know Idea what people have a problem with..when dumb ass people decide to launch missiles at a superior armed force people who had no part in it will end up dying..sucks for the civilians who allow Hamas and other F'd up terrorist groups launch Missile from their neighborhoods ..but all countries have a right to defend themselves from attack...

You can all try to disguise your hate for Israel but most of us who have been here long enough know who the Israel haters are...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 21
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Posted: 11/19/2012 5:20:50 AM
Skooch, I said the same thing ealier and was met with silence:





69% of the Jewish population of these great United States think you are wrong at best and a liar at worst...

Of course, you could always prove me wrong by posting an anti-semitic quote by President Obama to prove your assertion...but, that would mean you'd have to use facts to justify a position...when arbitary claims work so much better for you





You can all try to disguise your hate for Israel but most of us who have been here long enough know who the Israel haters are...


No truer words have been said...One only need go back a very few years to remember it was the GOP that wished to throw Isreal under the bus and hated all the liberal Jews in America....but, now, in spite of reality, they wish to claim alliance with Isreal and the jewish vote...all figments of their imagination. The reality is that all this bullshyte is an attempt to besmerch our President..

Hell, the next thing you know is the GOP will be claiming the black and hispanic vote...once again ignoring facts and reality.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 22
Hamas, PA, Palestine...why would we support it ?
Posted: 11/19/2012 1:21:21 PM
Well let me start by saying...somebody is back on the meatloaf and typing furiously in the basement!

"What's the difference?"

I have never criticized Israel for building, nor Palestine...I may have a problem with them choosing to build where they agreed not to. Even then though, it isn't my country, nor my right to impose upon either of them my views.

For that matter though, I'm not sure where "these people supported by large amounts of money" comes from. Are we sending huge amounts of money to build these settlements in Palestine? If we are, we are doing one shitty job!

You do realize that a major portion of Palestine has no electricity, and in many places no running water is available?

I guess the worst of it for me, is the loss of innocent life on both sides. Hamas is a pretty evil bunch of people, to hide among the population, and risk the lives of those who live around the launch sites. Israel shouldn't have to bear the brunt of arab rage over being there...kinda reminds me of out of touch republicans trying to shell Obama, same stupidity!

Now if we're gonna talk dough, well I think we have sent Israel, more money than any muslim country by a factor of 10, at least!

You cannot lead the uneducated to rational thinking(really typing this is hard, almost all of it makes me think republicant..lol), the mob gets it's info from selected journalism provided by Al Jazzera, which although better now than a decade ago, hardly represents the middle in journalism. Far more I'm sure get their info on the street in angry mobs.

Some have mentioned why isn't Obama there...well he is working the back channels, but I'd like to point out, going back as far as the Camp David peace accord, and the efforts of the many presidents who came before him...nothing seems to take in this region, no matter the party or the man(president). These groups have cast their lot as mortal enemies. It really doesn't matter who starts it, or in the way it starts...whether it's Israel doing a premptive strike, or Hamas sending missiles into Israel. Until BOTH countries take into hand their populations, and enforce the peace, nothing will change.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 23
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Hamas, PA, Palestine...why would we support it ?
Posted: 11/20/2012 5:42:51 PM

I saw that. I thought I'd show my interest in knowing exactly where this wild anti-Semitism was coming from too.
There is no "anti-Semitism" ... it's anti-Zionism ... really big, big difference.

Obama is talking to Netanyahu everyday. He has stated in no uncertain terms that he supports Israel's right to retaliate for the rockets being launched.
Let's hope he is also telling the killer Zionists that they need to stop the blockade on Gaza and they also need to stop assassinations on their neighbors.

Some taking heads are alluding to this fight with Palestinians as being a test run to see how the Arab world reacts; particularly Egypt and America. They're saying this is a sign that Israel wants to see the worlds reaction to their aggression (regardless of who people feel started this) to get a feel of what the world's reaction would be to bombing Iran. Whether their speculation is valid or not, it makes sense that this is all a test run for the bigger fight with Iran.

Unfortunately, even though pro-Zionists in here are insinuating that President Obama is an anti-Semite, that apparently couldn't be further from the truth as he has been doing everything he can to supply the killer Zionists with all kinds of weapons ... including the Iron Dome system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome
... funding for an additional eight Iron Dome systems—along with funding for a supply of interception missiles—is currently being provided by the United States, with two of these additional systems having been delivered by 2012. Funding for the production and deployment of these additional Iron Dome batteries and interceptor missiles was approved by the United States Congress, after being requested by President Obama in 2010.


That is absolutely revolting. I'm against sending the killer Zionists money or any support. That kind of funding needs to go to feeding our poor ... providing health care for those here who don't have it.

I say let them go alone.
Absolutely!!! They can take care of themselves. We need to stay out of it, stop sending them WMD's, stop funding those killers. When we send them funding and weapons we might as well be firing on the Palestinians and killing them with our own soldiers.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:20:08 PM
Forgot to add this information to the above post ... it's a very interesting film and I'm glad it's still available to see. I felt I should draw attention to it given the current situation with Gaza & the Zionists (once again) I think it only fitting to update the information in this thread.

"Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land should be required viewing for every citizen in the United States."
Robert McChesney | Professor, University of Illinois and Founder, Free Press


Watch it at the following link :
http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/peace-propaganda-and-the-promised-land-full-movie/
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 25
Hamas, PA, Palestine...why would we support it ?
Posted: 11/21/2012 11:20:54 AM
Israel and the Hamas militant group agreed to a cease-fire Wednesday to end eight days of the fiercest fighting in nearly four years, promising to halt attacks on each other and ease an Israeli blockade constricting the Gaza Strip.


http://news.yahoo.com/israel-hamas-agree-gaza-cease-fire-181335147.html

Proving, once again, American deplomacy doesn't work under President Obama'a administration
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