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 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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I would love to hear from those, who claim themselves as "God Fearing People", as to why they actually fear God.

This is something I have never understood.

I realize that life throws some pretty cruel things at us......but.....is that the work of God in your eyes?

Isn't God.....benevolant?

This is a continuance of another forum I think; where the attention is not on single moms who list themselves as God fearing; but instead focuses on any God fearing people.

P.s. Some God fearing people scrae the sh*t out of me, they're nutbars who I believe will ok any evils because they think they've already failed the course so to speak. However; some other God fearing people are some of my favorite people. (I.e. John Cougar Mellancamp)

Can you provide some insight please?
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 10:50:44 AM
If GOD exists then GOD must be feared, and here's why.

If GOD created the universe then there's only 1 reason why.
GOD needed it.
GOD ( for whatever reason ) needs the cosmos for GOD's own purposes. We are only a part of that creation and we are expected to fit into our proper place.
GOD's needs are more important than ours. GOD has a much better view of things than we do.

One day, we may fail to live up to the requirements GOD has, and GOD would snuff us all out without the least regret.

But don't worry about it. We do it and we don't even know we're doing it.
You don't think he'd let us decide for ourselves such an important thing like that do you ?
 raxarsr
Joined: 7/10/2008
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 11:10:06 AM
well............the word fear doesnt really mean scared of........more like respect....obediance

say you never break the speed limit when driving.....that could be stated as "law fearing"
 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 1:07:53 PM
Sad really.

We spend a lifetime trying to remove fear from our lives,
As fear causes us stress and a lot of negativity.

Then you hear the terminology ... "God Fearing".

wtf!

Some people need to have their heads examined.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 10/19/2011 1:18:21 PM
I am in agreement with Revilors. Gods are insitutions of men, not divinity. Beyond personal spiritual exploration religions are institutions of social manipulation.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 1:56:12 PM
YAh. This is yet another of those things that started out as a mistranslation of the original Hebrew and or Greek copies of the Bible, and is still intermittently used in it's ERRONEOUS form, to mean what the English words actually do say.

This is why some folks are saying "yes, YOU should fear God."

If your goal is to understand what the Bible REALLY said, your best bet is to study ancient Hebrew and Greek until you can read it first hand. If your goal is to understand what various English speakers mean by their particular misreading of a mistranslation, then you need to ask each one.

You would also want to study the History of the particular culture who's members are saying the phrase you want to comprehend, because THAT changes over time as well.

For what little it's worth, my general impression is that MOST people I have met who use that phrase, and are NOT joking, mean that they consider themselves to be SUBJECT to the rules and laws that their favorite priest or leader has interpreted out of the particular translation (usually the King James) of the Bible that their sect uses. When they mention it in their profile, it usually means they hope you do too.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 3:50:37 PM
Of which god do you speak? There are thousands.

If you are asking about the Judeo/Christian god, you have to examine the question from different angles.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, there are two names for god: Yahweh and Elohim. Yahweh is singular and masculine, but Elohim is plural and feminine. When "Yahweh" is used, god is usually portrayed as more vengeful than is "Elohim."

Whichever is used, the god of the Hebrew Scriptures is much more violent than is the god of the Christian Scriptures. In one of the Psalms, the psalmist writes of the captivity in Babylon how sweet it would be to knock out the brains of his enemy's baby against a wall--this would not fly in the Christian Scriptures.

I would venture to say this version of deity is violent because the Hebrews consistently struggled--first in their supposed exodus from Egypt and later, in the documented Babylonian captivity. The Jewish soldiers supposedly razed whole towns, killing everyone (even the camels and asses); in some instances, they were allowed to keep the virgins.

In the Christian Scriptures, Yahweh softens and decides to give humans, even gentiles, a chance to redeem themselves. Now, the emphasis shifts from razing towns and exacting vengeance to accepting Jesus and letting god take care of the vengeance side. Christianity is a religion that appealed to slaves and women because even they could achieve heaven; however, on earth, they were still be subservient to masters and husbands. It is hard to achieve earthly justice if one is disempowered.

One is to fear god because god created the universe: he has the power to decide whether or not you go to heaven and hell. Fear is a weapon of control, and religion capitalizes on this fear. The true message of Jesus has been obscured by the residual fear of Yahweh and the fear instilled by church leaders. Humility is a distinct and desirable trait in Christianity: hunker down, give obeisance, and maybe, just maybe, everything will be ok.

But remember, god loves you.

Oh, and some use the analogy of the parent: parents love their children, but it doesn't stop them from punishing them.

Parents aren't gods--it is a sucky analogy.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 6:05:46 PM
Awesome everyone; thanks for the feedback!!

I guess my ignorance to some translations of words, and "matters of speaking" sorta showed its head today!!

I did not know that many equated fear with respect. I .....do not. (for the most part anyways) Respect is definitely a part of fear, but in no way one in the same.

With that being said; you've explained an awful lot!!

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 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 7:01:26 PM

YAh. This is yet another of those things that started out as a mistranslation of the original Hebrew and or Greek copies of the Bible, and is still intermittently used in it's ERRONEOUS form, to mean what the English words actually do say.

This is why some folks are saying "yes, YOU should fear God."


While I agree that mistranslations abound, there are certain actions in the Hebrew Scriptures that regardless of mistranslated words, the need for fear is still evident. A god who would destroy all of humankind, including babies, in a flood is to be feared.

Of course, the flood myth of the Jews was adapted from the Egyptian and even more so, from the Sumerian flood. Those cultures knew that they should fear gods because they had human emotions and could be quite capricious. Yahweh, on the other hand, is supposed to be above human emotion. He says, though, that he is a "jealous" god--unless it is a mistranslation.

Since humans make gods in our images, regardless of the incorrect translation, people choose what they want to believe about their deity. If people think that their god is to be feared then "he" is to be feared.
 DBerger04
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/19/2011 11:10:20 PM
depends on beliefs.

I had this talk with a friend a few months ago as I am struggling with my own beliefs.

He broke it down like this.

People fear god because they have too. If you truly believe in the Wrath of God events in the bible (the flood, soddum and Gomorrah (my spelling is awful on those)). At one point mankind did not fear god, and then god had to flex (bro) and show his will and that he is the absolute law.

People are god fearing because they use him to justify their every action. They honestly believe that if they sin to any degree they will spend eternity in hell. It also depends on your church/parish/preacher. Their was a time where the church used the fear of god to control people. The whole Hellfire and Brimstone teachings. Now it seems that more churches are really pushing the "god loves you know matter what, Jesus loves you) Its late but you can really look back at certain points of history, look at society, and look at the church (catholic).

I have digressed. As for modern day Joe Schmoe. It is a lot to do with their upbringing and ignorance (not a bad ignorance but some people literally don't question these types of things and just believe what they are told)
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 11
Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/20/2011 8:32:27 AM

Fear of God is the first step towards wisdom.


Please explain this logically.


The reasoning I have heard from many christians is that the fear is a type of awe and reverence for something beyond comprehension, and it's the only one that makes an ounce of sense imo.


I have heard this, as well, but I don't buy into it! Christians fear their god because he is capricious and has the ability to send them to hell. The Christian religion has long been based on this fear and religion has capitalized it.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/25/2011 5:03:43 PM
I agree with #7. There is a great phrase, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." I take "fear," as used here, to mean "respect."
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 10/25/2011 5:43:15 PM

I take "fear," as used here, to mean "respect."


Does this synonym value naturally translate across other paradigms and/or relationships?

Maybe THAT could be part of the "why dont they like us" answer asked by many evangelical pundits?
 YayForBeer
Joined: 9/22/2011
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Posted: 10/26/2011 12:29:31 PM
I don't fear God.. I fear his followers.

They're the ones that bomb abortion clinics, see pictures of Jesus in a Cheese Danish, and believe that a magical cloud-riding Jewish carpenter created the ENTIRETY OF THE COSMOS.

Then you have to wonder what people with that type of thinking are capable of, especially when put into positions of power.

That's REALLY something to Fear.

 jojoaus
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Posted: 10/27/2011 1:16:37 AM
As an agnostic, I really liked message 22. Dunrich2 seems to have a good handle on how every positive needs a negative to validate it. Yin and yang. I do understand though that the word 'fear' has changed over centuries. Just as the word awesome now is totally positive, originally it too had elements of fear- to be in awe of something can imply an element of scariness.
In my experience, so-called God-fearing people are, unfortunately, closed minded folk who will baulk at any evidence of social change by falling back on a book written about a Jewish activist by people who never met him. True Christians on the other hand?? Totally effing awesome
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/28/2011 9:39:05 PM
^^^^^That's an interesting take on things. I'd hope most women would be satisfied to know we wouldn't stray. Expecting us never even to feel any desire for another woman--to live up to the biblical ideal of not "lusting in your heart"--is asking a lot of flesh and blood. But if that's what you want, I hope you get it.
 JLarsson
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Posted: 10/29/2011 3:06:01 PM
Googled read stole:
A clue to the meaning of 'God-fearing' is to consider that we never say 'Christ fearing'. And this is because, whilst we regard Christ as the Saviour of mankind, through His sacrifice, we regard God the Father as the almighty, all powerful God. And it is irrational not to fear the wrath of anyone as powerful as that.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 11/10/2011 9:03:50 PM
of not "lusting in your heart"--is asking a lot of flesh and blood


I found that a great partner will help quell your lust.



Did I occasionally see an attractive man, of course. Did I want to have sex with him? No.


Change the word "man" to "woman" and I'm with ya sister.

To have sex, in the grand scheme of things; is pathetically easy. it's 'usually' fun; but it really does not carry so much worth overall. (especially not enough to ruin a relationship over) Heck; I could easily compare it to drunk driving.

Would it be nice to have your car the next morning? Sure. Is it worth it to risk ruining your car, and feeling the shame and pain that may come were you to drive home drunk? F*ck no.


And it is irrational not to fear the wrath of anyone as powerful as that.


Then, do you fear all men who are larger and obviously more powerful than yourself?

To what extent?

Will you obey their most every command, or give unto them whatever they request in order to preserve yourself?

See my point?

It is irrational TO fear someone simply because they are more powerful than oneself.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/11/2011 3:05:39 AM
"God fearing" is code for people trying to find others in their cult. I see the code frequently in personals in the Babble Belt.

If you look at the god of the Bible and Torah, that diety is to be feared. It's arbitrary handing out of punishments, whole towns for the "sins" of one or a few, random genocide, misogyny, slavery, virgin sacrifices, etc, does lead one to fear that sort of diety. Not much different than any other abusive relationship. Sure there is the promise of heaven, the "I'm sorry", "will do better next time" sort of mea culpas, but you must walk on egg shells or all hell will break lose.
evilbible.com lays out the rules of that abusive relationship. Hard to respect the abuser.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 11/13/2011 12:58:10 AM
Hard to respect the abuser.


And, conversely and apparently, hard to respect (know) the benevolant to some!!

So we fear Him because He is so holy and because we are not


For many; this is clearly obvious.

For those, like John Cougar Mellancamp, I must disagree.

Count your blessings.....ya know?

Pride and arrogance, unfortunately, prevent the average person from fearing Him.


Or, perhaps, its being one with him?

Not succumbing to "self" over "God"? After all; fear is built of self preservation, and WHO places self over God? (The Bible tells ya so)

God fearing means One who follows the precepts of a religious practice and respects and reveres God and His authority


So, then, is "fear" a word to be headed and remembered......archangel?

A God fearing person stands in awe of God,


That could end it; as far as I'm concerned. :)

Discussion over?

partner who is faithful does it out of self respect....Yes?


I believe it is done out of respect for those who may not be worthy...because you u have made a pledge. (a promise)

Seems cruel but to make the sacrifice of ones most beloved to save another who is not worthy


*cough*

Doctrine of Compulsive Love: to love and fear (ie terror) at the same time is insane


;) Bingo.

jealousy rules


To the losing side anyways

all this merderous, pathological behaviour from God.


Caught that sh*t there too. ;) (Nice to meet you)


they are nuts


Relatively speaking anyways eh?

Keep thinking


I was actually planning on doing the opposite. (lol)


It seems to me that most organized religions are not much more than crowd control. Keep it as fundamental as possible so everyone stays dependent and chips in the money weekly. Keep them "fearful" and they are easily controlled and manipulated. Pretty simple and transparent formula however the "programmed ones" are oblivious to the reality of their religions. Religion is scary, not god.


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 JLarsson
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Posted: 11/14/2011 5:43:46 PM
It always suprising to me how something that brings so many people so much joy without hurting anyone, can bring forth so much animosity and hate. And yes I know you can bring up 200 year old which burning and 1000 year old crusades. The fact that so many feel the need to tear at something that only stand to benifit and enrich society and replace it with nothing is proof enough for me.
 kari135
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Posted: 11/19/2011 11:15:14 AM

It always suprising to me how something that brings so many people so much joy without hurting anyone, can bring forth so much animosity and hate. And yes I know you can bring up 200 year old which burning and 1000 year old crusades.

Let me give a more recent example: I had nothing but "good Christian neighbors" for 3 years - they all made a point of telling me so. But since I declined to attend any of the churches they recommended, I was shunned. No one but store clerks spoke to me in all that time. Well, except for the one man who stopped while walking past my house one day to tell me I was the Spawn of the Devil. If there was any way someone could take advantage of me - preferably financially - they tried. When I had more than enough of all that, I left and rented my house to someone who claimed (big surprise) to be a "good Christian" - she left without notice after 4 months, and I was finally informed by someone that my house is now a biker crash pad. So now I get to let it be repo'd, at the expense of my credit rating, because there is no way in hell I'd ever go back there again. If I did believe in a God, I'd pray to be preserved from all Southern Baptists. And I do hope their God brings them much joy, no matter how much they did their best to hurt me personally. Fortunately, I'm not that easy to hurt.
 Aries_328
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Re: God Fearing People
Posted: 11/19/2011 11:30:25 AM

If he is being faithful out of some idea of duty or moral value, that's no good to me.


I think that this type of thinking is a bit short sighted. Moral value isn't the value you get when things are going well. It is the moral value when a challenge occurs. Let's say for the sake of argument that you have been married 20 years. You are 20 years in, things a really kind of predicable and maybe for the last few months there are some external factors that have put some strain on the romantic type of feelings. It would not make any guy a bad guy to be attracted to someone else at this point. It would be totally natural and instinctual. Pretty much the best you can hope for would be some form of being faithful out of a sense of duty or moral value. Without some form of moral compass which direction would you expect this to go. If that moral compass comes from a belief in God that doesn't make it any less of a dedication to you.

If the opposite case were true and the reference was to either the man or women not having a sense of guided principles for moral values then when the time comes where there will be a strain in the relationship what would be the chances of the relationship continuing.

So, having a sense of moral value should be a good thing. The differences in a base for that moral value are another topic. For this topic religion and God would be that base and that is typically what is meant by ‘god fearing.’
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
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Posted: 11/19/2011 11:37:09 AM

So now I get to let it be repo'd, at the expense of my credit rating


Or you could take it back. (and charge a small; but fair rent amount for the time it has been used)

Take witnesses and make sure all in the home know that they're al recorded. Also let themknow that there is no anomosty; but you just need your home now. Chance are; they're not as scary or mean and unfair as you think. Heck; chances ARE that these 'bikers'....are in actuality very church going Christians.

Dont wanna?

Call the Sheriff, and tell em you want your house unoccupied

(Now you got yer house back)
 kari135
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Posted: 11/19/2011 12:06:35 PM

Dont wanna?

No, I don't wanna. I don't want to waste the money to travel 1,000 miles to visit a place, however briefly, that made it utterly clear that I was not wanted.

I also don't think all Christians are evil. I have many friends who actually are good Christians. What I don't like are organized religions of any flavor. They easily become mobs - well intentioned, maybe, by their own lights, but a mob is a mob, and mob mentality can be ugly. Think Westboro.
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