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Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 1
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What does it mean to you?

I have seen the 'true' spiritual/religious significance of christmas debated into perpetuity year after year.. and I am hoping that this thread does not turn into a battle ground for that.

What I have noticed though, is that in many ways.. there seems to be a sense of apathy around it in the last few years. It's almost like christmas itself is going through an identity crisis of sorts..

Maybe we have PC'd it to death, and it's struggling for air.. but in some ways I think that was necessary. Imo no one group or school of thought should be able to decry all others a right to celebration at this time of year. This and the rampant commercialization and urge for many to keep up with the Jone's (whoever the heck they are) has left quite a bad taste in the mouth for some.

So with all of these conflicting views and prevailing concerns, what is christmas to YOU?
Joined: 11/16/2011
Msg: 2
Posted: 12/6/2011 8:51:18 AM
Just another day for me really. I mean if I'm with someone that enjoys the holiday I participate for them. Especailly if they have kids. That always makes it fun and entertaining. I can get into it then.

Outside of that though if it is just me I really don't care. Not a bah humbugger just rather indifferent to the whole affair.

It has been commercialized to death but really at this point what holiday hasn't?
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
Msg: 3
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Posted: 12/6/2011 8:55:49 AM
What Christmas means to me:

One open bar party with full dinner hosted by the company for which I work.

One plump bonus cheque.

Two paid holidays.

One family dinner.
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 4
Posted: 12/6/2011 8:56:44 AM
^^ I'm so jealous of people who have christmas parties at their work! I've never worked at a place that has them *sniffle*

Joined: 2/10/2010
Msg: 5
Posted: 12/6/2011 9:00:23 AM
with all of these conflicting views and prevailing concerns, what is christmas to YOU?

Just another holiday, some time to spend with relatives/good friends and eat too much venison..
Avoiding most stores since they all have been over-decorated for months..
Tho I did see excerpts of "The Nutcracker" ballet and the SDCivic dancers at December Nights in Balboa Park..
Silly white elephant gift exchange parties, a chance to see which neighbors decorate and which don't bother..
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
Msg: 6
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Posted: 12/6/2011 9:25:16 AM

^^ I'm so jealous of people who have christmas parties at their work! I've never worked at a place that has them *sniffle*

Don't be overly jealous... the party this year was this past Saturday. Here it is Tuesday and I'm still not quite back to full faculties.

Hell of a party though...
Joined: 8/27/2011
Msg: 7
Posted: 12/6/2011 9:32:25 AM
It means :-

12 months of waiting
11 or more hours of baking
10 years in a new country
9 calls to England
8 Christmas movies
7 days of planning
6 Hours of cooking
5 hours of sleep
4 days off
3 love filled gatherings
2 kids to shop for
and one very blessed family
Joined: 1/17/2011
Msg: 8
Posted: 12/6/2011 9:41:53 AM
It's a reminder of a special part of childhood when I try to relive/rekindle the feelings that I once had.

That's why I still enjoy watching the old shows like Rudolph , etc, even though I've seen them a zillion times.

It's also a time for family to get together and appreciate eachother.

And it's a time to eat and drink all kinds of goodies !

Joined: 8/12/2010
Msg: 9
Posted: 12/6/2011 10:47:50 AM
Family time, good food, sharing...thats what it means for me.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 10
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Posted: 12/6/2011 11:23:24 AM
It means a couple of polarized things for me.

First, its a positive time of year where more of us are more tolerant of each other and good will seems to abound like no other time of year. I was raised in a big Catholic Family, so it also means some serive to others less fortunate than I am, one of the few things I've kept from the insitutionalized "Faith" I gave up as a teenager.

On the other hand it seems to be more and more a season of intolerance where some "Christians" take offense to the mention let alone idea of "Happy Holidays." Its almsot a selfish attempt to try and make it so others can't enjoy the joy of season I'm sure Christ would have had no problem with. Beyond how it seems to me to be insulting to Jews and others its IMO a crock of percheron kwap since anyone with any semblance of an education knows Christ was not born in December and that Christians all too conveniently co-opted Pagan Solstice traditions like the decorative tree, nog, and among other things turning the Pentagram upside down. The idea of going into debt to "Celebrate" the holidays with superfluous gifts for a few while billions struggle to get food on the proverbial table every day is something I'm pretty certain the good carpenter would not be willing to swallow. Grossly excessive comercialization of the season does no good will toward men.

So bah humbug or happy Chrismahanakwnaza to veryone! Good will towards everyone bless us all.
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Msg: 11
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Posted: 12/6/2011 11:25:34 AM

What Christmas means to me:

One open bar party with full dinner hosted by the company for which I work.

One plump bonus cheque.

Two paid holidays

One family dinner


Christmas.. What does it mean to you?

The LOOT!! What else is there??
 U make it entertaining
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 12
Posted: 12/6/2011 11:33:17 AM
Time with my children & grandchildren.

Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 13
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Posted: 12/6/2011 11:52:39 AM
Skakti..on office Christmas parties, consider Phylis Diller's take.
"What I don't like about office Christmas parties is looking for a job the next day."

I love the lights, and solstice fires. It's still about the return of the sun as it has been for thousands of years before Christianity co-opted it for it's purposes. This year, sunsets a minute later on the 10th to 11th, the beginning of the end of short, dark days.

As a kid of divorce, the oldest of my sibs, it was a season of drama management between the parents, who to disappoint on the eve of or day of Christmas. The crass commercialism and relentless push for commercialism earlier and earlier in the season has also taken it's toll over the years. Now we have Christmas extremists, led by Bill O'Reilly, having hissy fits in their moronic "war on Christmas" against anyone who acknowledges that many winter celebrations occur this time of year and dare say" sacreligious" greetings like "happy Holidays" or refer to consumer objects as holiday gifts. These grinches who shove Christmas primacy over all, use the "Merry Christmas" greeting as a litmus test and a bludgeon. Something I'm sure the Christ child had in mind when he was born months later in the year back then.

As Samantha Bee observed, " It's the only religious holiday that's also a federal holiday. That way Christians can go to their services and everyone else can stay home and reflect on the true meaning of separation of church and state."
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 14
Posted: 12/6/2011 12:08:17 PM

I have seen the 'true' spiritual/religious significance of christmas debated into perpetuity year after year.. and I am hoping that this thread does not turn into a battle ground for that.

Fat chance of that it looks like.

Me I like the eggnog.
Joined: 12/28/2010
Msg: 15
Posted: 12/6/2011 12:33:01 PM
The identity crisis has occurred because almost every year now we start talking about it earlier and earlier. When radio stations are playing Christmas music exclusively starting in the second week of NOVEMBER (well before Thanksgiving) people get tired of it quicker.

Businesses are most likely not helping the cause by shoving Christmas music down their customers' throats either.

What also doesn't help Christmas is the behaviors of society and the younger generations of today. Many more people around my age have become more worried about material items than any other part of Christmas.

Christmas should focus more on family togetherness. I love presents as much as the next person does but Christmas presents tend to lose their splendor years later.

As most of you already know I do not celebrate Christmas in regards to the religious backstory associated with it.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 16
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Posted: 12/6/2011 12:47:32 PM
was it not on the simpsons when homer declared

ah christmas when we celebrate the birth of santa claus

it was good when the bairn was wee, all the deccies and the tree
and the lights and a cracking scran on the day, well apart from
the carrots and the brussel sprouts.

a carrot left out for rudolph and three bottles of beer for santa
as he would be very dry after all his delivering.

but my lassies away and got her own family now and i'll head
to hers on boxing day.

so a crimbo day in for me and the dug methinks
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 17
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Posted: 12/6/2011 1:12:29 PM
I suspect that the reason you have been seeing Christmas falling off in popularity, has to do with several trends and changes in America.

Most important, is that some time during the 1960's or 70's, the mainstream media and more and more politicians, finally began to admit that not ALL Americans were descendants of Western Europeans. The version of Christmas that they had designed all of their behavior around was the Americanized Germanic/British version. When the politicians and advertisers and news shows all gradually stopped propping that version up with speeches, commercials, programming and so forth, then what was left was a bit ragged.

Another factor, is the every increasing number of media outlets. When there were only four TV channels (when I was a kid), there was no escaping it, so once the Christmas season started, you had to join it or hide in a cave.

By now, Americans are more aware than ever that we are not all Christians, and that at least half of the rest of the world aren't Christians. Not having the WHOLE WORLD backing what ever holiday you want to indulge in, takes a lot of the thrill of it away.

Top all that off with the modern habit of most large news organizations of adding an "oh my god, life sucks" version to EVERY story they report, and you get the "meh" version of Christmas you see now. This last is a biggy, I think. Since at least the successful attack on biased media that the Reagan administration launched in the 80's, every news story now carries a "then again..." follow on, and when you do that with "heartwarming stories of Christmas cheer," it really takes all the fun out of things.
Joined: 11/9/2011
Msg: 18
Posted: 12/6/2011 1:32:56 PM

So with all of these conflicting views and prevailing concerns, what is christmas to YOU?

A group of people that don't really like each other, and don't really have a lot in common anymore, getting together to pretend like everything in their life is wonderful. To present an idealized concept of "family" that isn't based on reality.
Mostly by being able to focus on the antics of any kids running around, and reminiscing about when everyone was a kid (or playing "remember that one time/when), rather than talking to each other.

Of course there is usually one or two people there that want to turn it into something deep and meaningful even though no one's really spoken to each other all year round.

It's people macing each other over an xbox so they can get together with a bunch of other people that maced someone else for a t.v. to show what great people they are.

It's also like religion. You have to find it important and believe in it, otherwise you don't understand it and are a bad person and ostracized.

Or basically a means for a group to get together and reinforce or reaffirm roles and group rules. A ritual.
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 19
Posted: 12/6/2011 3:43:14 PM
Christmas to me means the mindless media breathlessly reporting on the "Christmas Shopping Season". Up at Wal-Mart one day, down at Target the next, with Best Buy holding its own in same store sales. Blah, blah, blah.

It means a hollow "Happy Holidays" from those people and businesses trying to not "offend", but managing to do so by extending that wish.

It means the usual lawsuits by those who are some how frightened that a stable with plastic figures in it spell the end of the Republic.

But this has happened with nearly every holiday. The one exception might be Easter, because the smart crowd can't seem to make a day about a dead guy rising into a buying frenzy. Not that they haven't tried: "Three Day Sale!!!"
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Msg: 20
Posted: 12/6/2011 7:24:41 PM
The smell of pine needles,Xmas lights flickering in peoples' windows,the smell of countless barbeques in my neighbourhood,the searing heat(im Downunder),presents for my family,lots of food and grog and starting a months holidays when i'll be catching up with friends and seeing more of my man ...
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 21
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Posted: 12/6/2011 9:48:17 PM
I love Christmas! I believe in Santa Claus and always will. I love buying presents for people, I love pretty gift wrap, I love decorated trees/houses/stores, I just love all of it. Now if I was rich, I could buy lots of presents (anonymously) for lots of people who can't afford them and make lots of children happy. Tis the season for Santa and giving to others just for the sheer joy of it! As an atheist I have no use for the spiritual or religious part of it but I love all things Christmas seasoning, even the religious songs, I don't care, it's just a beautiful time of year. I don't know why people get so bent out of shape about buying loved ones something nice and enjoying the holidays. And I don't care if you have up a nativity or jingle bells or whatever your beliefs are for this time of year, it's wonderful and I wait all year for it to come.
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Posted: 12/6/2011 10:08:33 PM

there seems to be a sense of apathy around it in the last few years. It's almost like Christmas itself is going through an identity crisis of sorts..

I'm sorry, this is my fault. I've tried over the years to keep it going but it just got so tiring. No one appreciates it anyway. It's all just a big commercial for second quarter and end of year close outs.

I was thinking of turning it into a recognition of sadness, loneliness and depression but even that seemed like it would take too much effort. So, I decided I would just kind of bypass this year and kind of pretend it never happened.

Next year though.... Next year is going to be a blast. I mean come on.... Just four days after the Mayan Calendar ends with a full on alignment with the center of the universe. Man, Christmas morning next year will be the wakeup call of the millennium.

Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 23
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Posted: 12/7/2011 2:23:31 AM
Since I have no children, Christmas is just another day, for me. It's a wonderful day for all that it is supposed to be. Nothing better than seeing wide eyed kids looking at a tree on Christmas morning. Being able to toss some change into a large red kettle - knowing it will go to help others. The "open house" policy my friends and family have with one another. Hey, if you're in the area, stop bye. I have a chilled, frosty mug in the freezer and a cold beer waiting for you in the fridge. So and So left some incredible bake goods the other day - you really got to try it. We're putting on a game feed tonight - venison, goose, walleye and salmon: would really love to see you. This is what my friends and I do, but not only around Christmas. We begin the holiday season around Halloween. Every weekend, we attempt to try to spend time - when possible - as a group: long time friends, and their children. Call it weird, but we don't look upon anyone day as being a defining moment. It's the entirety of the time spent with one another during fall and winter months. Giving and loving on others. That's the Christmas spirit for me.
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Msg: 24
Posted: 12/7/2011 7:18:54 AM
What does it mean? Yule.

Another holiday that was stolen by people who then go on to complain that theres a war against the holiday they stole.
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 25
Posted: 12/7/2011 1:06:36 PM
This is what it's all about -

*suggestion - have some eggnog before watching*

[cheer] pure [/joy]

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