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 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
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I have a .38 Airweight. Nice gun, very reliable. And very light.
I'm looking at the Ruger LCP and the Glock 26 (Baby Glock)
Saw something on Youtube about the Ruger jamming though.
Love to hear about what other people carry and why.
 ProcolHarem
Joined: 8/29/2008
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:11:48 PM

Love to hear about what other people carry and why.


I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders.
Why...because that appears to be my lot in life.
 catalina_view
Joined: 4/8/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:16:35 PM
Well, Atlas, shrug. That'll knock it right off.^^^^
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:24:34 PM

Love to hear about what other people carry and why.
I don't "carry" and even though I was on the pistol team at Ohio State University and am a good shot ... I don't want to "carry" a gun.

I have no young children in my home and have no fear of having a weapon here, but just haven't gone out to buy one.
 Palejewel
Joined: 9/12/2006
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:26:10 PM
We don't have a need to carry a gun in Canada.

So sad you do.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:54:57 PM
A good friend of mine has a S&W .38 spl. Airweight and likes it. My old 4" barrel S&W Model 15 feels like a chunk of lead in comparison, although I don't carry it. Kahr Arms makes some fine, very compact auto pistols in .380 and 9mm--not cheap, though.
 M50B06
Joined: 5/22/2010
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:56:51 PM
Emptyvases,
Just a heads up, this thread is going to end up in the same pointless, good/bad, debate (already started) that the other thread went.

But, to answer your question. You are the only person who can determine the best choice of firearm for you to carry. Your profile says you are from California, read and study the laws over and over concerning the carrying of a firearm as I know California is difficult to get a license to carry, and the laws are very strickt and tricky. So fill yourself with alot of knowledge pertaining the laws.

If you havn't already, get yourself a voice recorder and carry it with you. In the event you are involved in an encounter with LEO, record the event. A voice recorder has saved many a people where LEO has tried to play the he said she said game and arrest them person under crazy charges because they are against citizens carrrying a firearm.

The best advise if you are looking for a new firearm is to go to a local shop/range and handle as many firearms as you can and see which one you like best. Do alot of research and read alot of reviews. Read through forums-they will give you alot of advise of the differant firearms. Do not skimp out with money on this one. You are expecting this firearm to defend your life and the last thing you want is to have that occasion that you need to use your firearm and all you get is a click. I would not hesitate going with any Glock or Springfield XD. They have proven themselves time and time again, and to the best of my knowledge are the only two manufacturers to put there firearms through an extreme torture test and post results. Find one that you like.

Another area to look at is to have a good quality carry rig. Good quality belts and holsters will make the differance in how comfortable it is to carry a firearm, as well as how easy it is to conceal (if I'm correct, California does not permit open carry, nor can you print, so your firearm must be well concealed). Again, don't skimp out. A good belt and holster will easily run around $100.

Me personally, I carry a Compact Springfield XD .45. I have an option to use a 10rd magazine or a full size 13rd magazine, though in California I believe you are limited to a 10 rd mag. With the 13rd magazine it is equivelant to a full size 4" service model. I highly recommend the XD line, or if you have a couple extra dollars, the new XDM line is the way to go as from what I hear the improved a couple features.

Why do you not wish to carry your .38?

If you have any other questions feel free to message me as this thread is likely to get filled with crap real soon.
 ThinkinginCA
Joined: 4/14/2010
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:57:23 PM

So sad you do.


Yup. It's downright pathetic.
 Paddy_o_Lantern
Joined: 12/9/2009
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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:18:35 PM
Just where were you intending to conceal it?

I would say the best guns for concealed carry would be the ones that don't accidentally go off. Mae West was famous for saying " Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me"

I suppose it is all based on what sort of impression you are trying to make. And that could range from " Look at me I've got a 44 magnum stuffed in my pants" to " Don't you think he walks like he has a derringer stuffed up his azz"
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:20:39 PM


We don't have a need to carry a gun in Canada.

So sad you do.

Yup. It's downright pathetic.



Emptyvases,
Just a heads up, this thread is going to end up in the same pointless, good/bad, debate (already started) that the other thread went.

C'mon you guys ... give the OP a break. He really doesn't care about "carrying". He already knows what the best gun for concealed carry is.

(Sigh) He's bored! He just wants to start some threads and post in the forums. Humor him.

 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:44:52 PM

(Sigh) He's bored! He just wants to start some threads and post in the forums. Humor him.

K

Knock Knock

Who's there?

Amazon!

Amazon who?

Amazon of a gun! (but you would not know that because it is concealed)
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:20:10 PM
I like the .38 Airweight. I've had it for quite a few years. It's a good gun.
I have quite a few guns, though mostly rifles and shotguns.
I just want a semi-auto mouse gun because my .38 is only five shots.
I'll probably get the Glock because they're so well made and reliable.
Some of the comments are very amusing. Like I've said before, liberals have the Jehovah Complex
and they're compelled to tell everybody what to do. The libs are behind every effort to censor free speech.
Oh well.
You won't get my gun until you pry it from my cold dead hands.
 Paul K
Joined: 3/10/2006
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:36:09 PM
Hey OP

A few considerations. One is size, the second is what type of round to use......... A larger heavier weaopn will give you a better second shot, a smaller, lighter one such as an Airweight, while very cool, is very hard to get the second round off on target. .38 is a rather strong round for up close use, I would say either a .380 or a .22LR. A .380 usually won't go through two sets layers of drywall to do damage where you don't want it to do damage, but is more than enough for your purposes. Go to a range, rent the various calibers and try them out.

If you carry a revolver, consider loading the chamber the the hammer first falls on with snake shot. It is like a miniature shotgun shell, and will not stop them, but will slow them enough for you to get a clean second round off. BUT, then, you really can't shoot off a snake shot in a crowd............ You have to consider where and why you are going to carry.

In .380, your first choice is a Walther PPK..... there is a reason it has the great reputation it has. Berretta also makes a very good .380, and also a .22lr that is very small and easy to conceal. When considering a semi-auto, consider whether or not you want one that is double action on the first round or not.


Paul K
 VT1032
Joined: 3/26/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:52:48 PM
Check out the new S&W M&P Shield. It's pretty similar to the LC9 but by all accounts is both reliable and accurate. It's on my wish list.

And to all the trolls, maybe those of us who do carry do so out of a want rather then a need. I'd rather have and not need then need and not have. For those who say it is either not necessary or pointless, read this former US Representative's story. This was enough to convince me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp
 lagoda
Joined: 11/20/2009
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:11:21 PM
I don't always carry a gun ... but when I do ...
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3575tt/

But any old bullet should do the trick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ&ob=av2e

Pumped Up Kicks by Foster the People
Album: Torches
http://www.fosterthepeople.com/

[Verse One]
Robert's got a quick hand.
He'll look around the room, he won't tell you his plan.
He's got a rolled cigarette, hanging out his mouth he's a cowboy kid.
Yeah he found a six shooter gun.
In his dads closet hidden in a box of fun things, and I don't even know what.
But he's coming for you, yeah he's coming for you.

[Chorus]
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run, outrun my gun..."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run, outrun my gun..."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."

[Verse Two]
Daddy works a long day.
He be coming home late, yeah he's coming home late.
And he's bringing me a surprise.
'Cause dinner's in the kitchen and it's packed in ice.
I've waited for a long time.
Yeah the slight of my hand is now a quick pull trigger,
I reason with my cigarette,
And say your hair's on fire, you must have lost your wits, yeah.

[Chorus]
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run, outrun my gun..."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run, outrun my gun..."
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:27:09 PM
^^^^^^^

Trolls? A guy posts about guns on a dating, not gun, forum, and you have the gall to call these good people trolls? So you want to live in a community that is less safe than a community doesn't permit concealed carry? No matter how you slice it, dice it, or hack it proponents of unfettered access to guns can't get around the FACT that in the developed world the country with the greatest gun violence and crime rates is the one with the most unfettered access to firearms, our United States. They can't get around the fact the cities within this country with less fettered access have significantly higher gun death, violence, and crime rates than cities with more restrictions.

I don't blame Canadians for holding community safety higher than illogical personal paranoias. Too bad viagra only lasts a few hours and can't cure eternal feelings of inadequacy.

There is no movement or persuasion of any substance that advocates an all out ban of firearms in this country. Ted Nugent said the same tripe 4 years ago and gun sales in this country have hardly been impeded since. Thank Goodness Heller doesn't allow for the carrying of firearms in public, just in the home.
 lagoda
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:13:39 PM
^^^^^^^

Trolls? A guy posts about guns on a dating, not gun, forum, and you have the gall to call these good people trolls? So you want to live in a community that is less safe than a community doesn't permit concealed carry? No matter how you slice it, dice it, or hack it proponents of unfettered access to guns can't get around the FACT that in the developed world the country with the greatest gun violence and crime rates is the one with the most unfettered access to firearms, our United States. They can't get around the fact the cities within this country with less fettered access have significantly higher gun death, violence, and crime rates than cities with more restrictions.


Since my post was the one preceding yours, I guess you were addressing me. I haven't called the OP a troll.


I don't blame Canadians for holding community safety higher than illogical personal paranoias. Too bad viagra only lasts a few hours and can't cure eternal feelings of inadequacy.


That was quite a disconnect to anything I said.
 Palejewel
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:27:07 PM

Too bad viagra only lasts a few hours and can't cure eternal feelings of inadequacy.


Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:01:31 PM

Some of the comments are very amusing. Like I've said before, liberals have the Jehovah Complex
and they're compelled to tell everybody what to do.
So that's what this thread is about ... an excuse to nag and rant/harp about the horrible liberals?

The libs are behind every effort to censor free speech.
What does that have to do with carrying a concealed weapon?
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:20:23 PM

In .380, your first choice is a Walther PPK..... there is a reason it has the great reputation it has. Berretta also makes a very good .380, and also a .22lr that is very small and easy to conceal. When considering a semi-auto, consider whether or not you want one that is double action on the first round or not.


I must respectfully submit you err,
The best value in a .380 pistol is the CZ 83

And for a more effective round Bersa makes a double stack in 9mm, .40, .45 that has a thicker profile (marginally) but is not much larger than the famed Walther.

All of Rugers SR series do well for small hands, unfortunately my hands are what they modeled catchers mitts off of and it takes deliberate effort to gain a consistent hold with slender grips.

A Browning Hi Power (especially the World War Two vintage) feels as if you were born hanging on to it, introduced in 1935 there is nothing that can be improved on it.

Its modern successor the CZ 75 and CZ 85 are both a delight to shoot (although on a purely aesthetic note the polymer frame models are ugly as homemade sin, IMO).

Many people like Glocks, Their charm escapes me, but different strokes for different folks

But for me a standard single action revolver is the most controllable and consistent tool, I'm comfortable with any standard round less than the 454 Cassul, While I've worked with all of the big bores I've found the inordinate expense keeps me from adequate range time to keep proficiency up and frankly the big bores are a endurance test more than a practical tool.

For daily use around the farm a .22 Magnum in Rugers delightful little Bearcat disappears into a vest pocket, when on the trail or during hunting season Rugers wonderful Vaquero in 44 Magnum completes my ensemble.

As far as concealed goes the Bearcat is so diminutive it slips into any pocket unnoticed, and I have an unfair advantage, I'm both big, and remarkably ugly, the kind of ugly that makes people wince and look away.
Frankly I could stagger down the street carrying a howitzer and people are so (understandably) anxious to not see me they'd never notice,
 flyguy51
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Posted: 4/24/2012 11:28:42 PM
I don't feel a need to carry and probably never will, but I do have opinions on good handguns for the task. I would go along with the Baby Glock option. Glocks are light, well made, and accurate. I would also go along with the Walther PPK, but preferably in 9mm. I just haven't been impressed by the .380 caliber in general, but I haven't actually tried it in a PPK. Of course, I would recommend just about anything in the right size made by HK. I have never had the privilege of firing any HK, but they are one of the very best. As for calibers-- 9mm, .40, perhaps even .45 ACP. If one were going for a really small weapon for protection, I would only go along with .22 caliber if it were a magnum round.

Personally, I would think about a .45 Colt Commander. I have just always liked that make and caliber, and I am accurate with it. No one can debate its ability to stop a large attacker.
 VT1032
Joined: 3/26/2012
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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:18:12 AM
"Trolls? A guy posts about guns on a dating, not gun, forum, and you have the gall to call these good people trolls?"
Yes. He didn't say all anti gunners are wrong or something like that. He asked a legitimate, specific question about what gun we prefer to those of us who do carry. Then all of y'all come in with the "guns are bad, mkay?" and pounce on him. By definition, that makes you guys trolls.

"So you want to live in a community that is less safe than a community doesn't permit concealed carry?"

Show me any statistic to back that up. There isn't one. My state has no permit system and you can carry whatever you want concealed or otherwise and it has the lowest crime rate in the nation. Lets talk about other states. Maryland has the 2nd highest gun crime rate in the nation, but has extremely restrictive gun laws. California has the 4th highest rate in the nation but has hands down the most restrictive laws in the nation. In 7th place is Illinois, which also has very restrictive laws. At the bottom of the list, are some of the least restrictive states in the nation.

"No matter how you slice it, dice it, or hack it proponents of unfettered access to guns can't get around the FACT that in the developed world the country with the greatest gun violence and crime rates is the one with the most unfettered access to firearms, our United States."

False again, South Africa, a developed western country has a considerably higher homicide with firearms rate, as well as much more restrictive laws. Slovakia, has a considerably higher homicide with firearms rate as well.

"They can't get around the fact the cities within this country with less fettered access have significantly higher gun death, violence, and crime rates than cities with more restrictions."

False, yet again. City with the highest murder rate? Detroit, a city with extremely strict gun laws. Also topping the charts is Chicago, Washington DC, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, all cities with restrictive laws.

"Too bad viagra only lasts a few hours and can't cure eternal feelings of inadequacy."

Why is it that everyone always says that gun owners have feelings of inadequacy? I just like to shoot. I sometimes carry because I would rather have and not need then need and not have. I work in law enforcement, and I know of multiple incidents in my area alone where people got hurt and could have prevented it had they been armed. It isn't an issue of "inadequacy", rather it is a personal choice and a prudent defensive measure if you get the training to go with the gun. Statistically, it is clear that where CCW is introduced, crime drops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#Research_on_the_efficacy_of_concealed_carry

By contrast less then 1% of all murders are committed by concealed carry holders and some of those are later ruled as justifiable homicides. Of 25,000 murders between 2007 and 2009, around 100 were by CCW holders, even less then those by police officers themselves at 317...

"There is no movement or persuasion of any substance that advocates an all out ban of firearms in this country. Ted Nugent said the same tripe 4 years ago and gun sales in this country have hardly been impeded since. Thank Goodness Heller doesn't allow for the carrying of firearms in public, just in the home."

That is a slippery slope that should be avoided. Once they take one thing, they will come after more. the 90's gun laws under Clinton are ample evidence of that. Maybe if Heller had included a CCW provision, we could see Washington DC's crime dropping. I also wanted to throw in just for contrast the example of England. After they banned handguns in 1997, their firearms crime rate significantly increased! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
 Paddy_o_Lantern
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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:53:27 AM
Show me any statistic to back that up. There isn't one. My state has no permit system and you can carry whatever you want concealed or otherwise and it has the lowest crime rate in the nation. Lets talk about other states. Maryland has the 2nd highest gun crime rate in the nation, but has extremely restrictive gun laws. California has the 4th highest rate in the nation but has hands down the most restrictive laws in the nation. In 7th place is Illinois, which also has very restrictive laws. At the bottom of the list, are some of the least restrictive states in the nation


Canada has a much lower murder rate per capita than the united states does and ownership of handguns is much lower in Canada. Coincidence?... I think not.

To Below

How very comforting to know that you are walking around on a regular basis with the idea in your head of killing someone if you were to feel threatened.

It seems to me that "Trained Professionals" make too many mistakes on when to used "deadly force" so why would we assume that joe blow on the street is capable of making a better snap judgement. Anyone who carries a gun should be prepared to use it wisely and be prepared to have it used on them.
 raxarsr
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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:57:57 AM
it depends on the weather and what i'm wearing....usually my carry gun is a tarus 83 loaded with hollow points....in colder weather i'll sometimes carry a 1911 in .45 or a .40 ruger

to the poster that suggested snake shot.........very bad idea.............a procicuting attourny will jump all over the fact that you had the presance of mind to use ammo that will cause pain...............not kill.....therefore you werent in fear of your life...........therefore you planned to shoot someone......[its been used many times to prosicute people]

i have been advised by several leo's that if.......IF.........i ever need to defend myself..........to shoot to kill and fire every shot in my gun

also..........use nothing but factory ammo
 VT1032
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Posted: 4/25/2012 10:09:28 AM
"Canada has a much lower murder rate per capita than the united states does and ownership of handguns is much lower in Canada. Coincidence?... I think not."

Absolute coincidence. Canada has a significantly lower crime rate as a whole than the US, not just in the area of violent crimes. Of course their murder rate is going to be lower. Canada does not have on the same scale, the social demographics, income disparities, diverse population, etc. that cause the US to have such a high violent crime rate. What about Britain? Why has their violent crime rate drastically increased in the wake of their 1997 handgun ban?

"It seems to me that "Trained Professionals" make too many mistakes on when to used "deadly force" so why would we assume that joe blow on the street is capable of making a better snap judgement. Anyone who carries a gun should be prepared to use it wisely and be prepared to have it used on them."

Joe Blow has consistently shown he is capable if licensed and trained properly. I'll cite again the statistic that of 25,000 people murdered with guns in the US between 2007 and 2009, only around 100 were by CCW holders. By contrast, 317 were by sworn police officers. I agree that people who carry should train and be prepared to use their gun. They should also get training in weapons retention so that they can prevent it from being taken from them.
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