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 DAFT_DOG
Joined: 4/23/2011
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I really dont care about a womans academic status, it shows intelligence, and brains sure...but it by no means tells me she`s a lovely person !,

my own education is bog standard comprehensive school, if thats used as a yard stick by a woman to decide what sort of person i am, then i dont much care to know that woman. :O)
 gemini_lady_uk
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Posted: 5/8/2012 3:29:05 AM
As far as I am concerned, a Degree shows an ability to store information and not a lot more. Give me someone with 'common sense' over a Degree any day.

Plenty people with Degree's and Uni qualifications working in MacDonalds, KFC or Call Centres.
 zonked123
Joined: 3/25/2012
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Posted: 5/8/2012 3:54:49 AM
I've learnt on this site is that when woman list what attributes they're seeking 'inelligence' is always up there - along with sense of humour. Maybe that links in with accademic qualifications? If your after a Hugh Grant clone I guess it's a starting point.
Now I know some realy intelligent people who are complete scombags and coversely some of the nicest decent people I've come across have been down to earth to corry watching folk. Bottom line is horses for courses.
 zonked123
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Posted: 5/8/2012 4:27:08 AM
My experince of doing a BA is that there is little relation between how hard you work and what you actually achive. Some students can coast along and hit a decent grade, others will transribe every lecture as if it's the word of god and still fail. Also, some students will live on campus and do nothing but study; others will balance parenting and work and still manage to come up on top. Someone with a pass mark may have worked harder than someone getting a 1st.
 zonked123
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Posted: 5/8/2012 4:46:42 AM
I have a degree, but it's worthless

I think as a parent being able to tell my son I have a degree now you go get one has been important.
On the dating front...i can count the times a woman has looked into my eyes and whispered softely her admiration for my 2.1......on zero fingers.
 gemini_lady_uk
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Posted: 5/8/2012 5:05:55 AM
^^^
I can't agree that degree's are worthless, but I don't think educational qualifications have a place on a dating site.

I know some lovely people with degree's and they have used them in in their chosen career and have done very well through having them and have provided very good lifestyles for themselves and their families.

I also know people with degree's that have used them in their workplace but are useless in other area's of life. They may get the good, well paid jobs but are such bad money managers they are always up to their eyes in debt.

Many people with basic school education have excelled in their chosen fields. Something I remember from my Airforce days was being told that without all the people that fill shelf's, empty bins, deliver goods, input orders, care for elderly etc then the people at the top would soon come tumbling down.

My brother didn't do well at school, was told that he just wasn't very smart. I think his teachers maybe felt a bit silly when he took Best Apprentice in Scotland award and after several years working for a company he set up his own very successful company, sold it, set up another and eventually sold that. He never has to look for work. Companies seek him out. He was never stupid, he just wasn't very interested in what he was being taught. Once he got into his chosen field, he was up and running and never looked back.

I went to college when I was 30 to get a basic HNC that was specific to the work I wanted to do. Since then I have gained other qualifications that I required at the time but no longer use. The additional qualifications I have are well above college grade but I don't feel it's relevant to who I am on a site like this.
 Strider886
Joined: 3/28/2006
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Posted: 5/8/2012 5:14:18 AM


Why do people need to inflate their qualifications?



Because us guys sit here trying to figure out why a woman who literally described us in a nutshell, fails to read or answer a contact message.
We start running through our profiles, changing things to see what the problem is/was. Then after a year or so we (some of us anyway) finally realise that there's nothing at all wrong with us, there are just too many apparently "top shelf" blokes, who are both RAF pilots, part time firemen AND male models.... Tempting all the women into being played.
 gemini_lady_uk
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Posted: 5/8/2012 6:37:26 AM
ShortbutSweet - don't give up if that is the area that you really want to work in. Is there anyway you can get experience, even just being in a bank and getting the occasional few hours here and there or volunteering. I don't think having children computes as having experience in a work situation. Daft I know but that's the way it is.

I was in a similar situation to you when I left college. All the qualifications, no experience in that particular work situation. But to get experience, I had to get a job. Chicken and egg situation. I even asked if I could apply for an office junior position!!!!

Eventually I did get a break - I was almost reluctantly taken on as a Receptionist, then became Secretary, then they paid for me to train and when I qualified, I became the companies Health & Safety Advisor. I was lucky, I could never have paid £££'s for training.

Don't give up - It just takes one tiny break to get you on your way.
 UKTom2
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:11:31 PM
When I was at University* I knew a few clever people and a lot of production line fodder who'd just been pushed along by their schools and parents.
Since then I've had a few friends who I consider to be capable and clever but who finished their formal education aged 16.

*I can even remember the name of the university.
 UKTom2
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:20:40 PM
I can. I think it clearly proves why I deserved a degree.
 zonked123
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:26:03 PM
Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself. Sure men and woman are going to hint at occupations and interests that define who they are and what they're looking for...but I certainly wouldn't want to assume a position of superiority over people who may not have had the same opportunities.
 UKTom2
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:29:31 PM

Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself

Only if you choose to see it that way. There's a box to fill in on the profile.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:32:00 PM

You can't remember the name of your University?

Thats... incredible.

You misread his post.

That's amusing.

I haven't got a degree, but I worked with people who mostly did have, for the majority of my working life.
Very few of them impressed me, about as many with degrees, as without.

I think there's something to be said for degrees, they open your mind to ways of thinking and ways of assimilating information.
I think the real danger of them, is 'learning by rote'. Where people come out, all thinking the same way, and reciting from the same books, which they all 'must' read.

I think new technology opens up other new ways of learning, which are perhaps more 'creative'.
Because it facilitates a kind of 'chain of thought' type of learning, which is completely unstructured, and doesn't focus on just one subject, but kind of links them all together.

I think the most creative minds are likely to be those which aren't 'constrained' by the 'disciplines' that many have mentioned, as an advantage, but neither are they stuck in the 'intellectual ruts', which many appear to be.

Thinking is great, but what we really need, is NEW thinking.

 UKTom2
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:35:00 PM
Just like good ideas can stand on their own merit then good people don't have to keep telling you how good they are.

I dislike annoying graduates as much as anyone else, but I spent 4 years working for my degree and feel that I earnt/ It wasn't spoon feeding either. It was self managed learning. I even went a bit grey during my last year.
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:31:39 AM
What is a Geoff from South Bank Poly worth compared to a Desmond from one of the Russel Group?

You can probably buy a degree from Borough Market these days!
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:36:03 AM

I say scrap the education section on profiles and make every member take a simplified IQ test

Nice idea..... But the forums would be empty!...

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 6:43:01 AM

To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception. To create false statements for the purpose of emotional protection is to reject analytical thinking. To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable is the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.
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Dude, you can't just string a bunch of meaningless, slightly-longer-than-average words together, in some risible attempt to look clever, and then expect those of us, who do know our arses from our elbows, and understand the language, to keep schtum.

To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception.

Think about it. The exact opposite is true. Are you saying that all those without "asymmetrical haircuts", are "rejecting logic"...?
It's Absolute drivel!

To create false statements for the purpose of emotional protection is to reject analytical thinking.

(My bold)
I'll translate: You mean:"To HAVE to lie, to cover your arse".
Well, if you've put yourself in that position, in the first place, then clearly, there wasn't very much "analytical thinking", going on, in the first place.
Where are you getting this sh1t..>?
It's comedy gold!

To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable is the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.

Now you're just rambling!
To massage statistics for the purpose of equality or any other non-factual or non-variable
WTF does that even mean?
Who does that..?
How can you "massage the statistics of a non-variable"...?
How can something "non-factual" even have a statistic..?
It doesn't make any sense at all.


the acceptance of stupidity as a positive mental attribute.

I think you're speaking entirely from personal experience there.

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:06:38 AM
Whoosh, think that pilot had an asymmetrical haircut too.

Well, why not try and explain.
You claimed that:


To ignore trends is to reject logical thought and perception.

Explain how that's true. I'm all ears.


Again, what has lieing and covering your arse got to do with analytical thinking, again I think you've misunderstood. How can I debate something with you if you don't understand the debate. It's like trying to teach a labour voter about economics, a lost course for want of a better word.


The "better word" would be "cause". And you ARE a lost one.

But I get it, you've been a day trader for "ten years", now..
Gotcha!

There's no need for people to start getting ratty here.



There are many aspects of society where statistics have been massaged for the purpose of equality. There are many institutions that have abused the equality act and there are many individuals who have been unfairly treated in the name of equality.

Ah. I see. You're against "equality". Fine.
Now explain WTF that's got to do with degrees, and why you wrote it...?


There are plenty of statistics that utilise non-factual data, as a free thinker and a sceptic it's my perogative to call them out.

Yeah, that's right, you're a "free thinker" who "doesn't ignore trends".......

You're a comedy genius, you're wasted here.

 badge73
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:41:00 AM

Why do people need to inflate their qualifications?


because they long to impress for the sake of their own egos ...

can remember working in a major store head office doing temping, when in the canteen they were all talking about degrees etc and finally asked me what mine was? i replied i would of loved to of gone to university but something called the gulf war came along .... for some reason the conversation stopped lol

i regular chat to chaps who done the time served apprenticeships which took almost 5 years and they just look at those coming out of university and shake their heads, explaining because they have a piece of paper it doesnt mean they can do the job.
 soverncomfort
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Posted: 5/11/2012 3:40:22 PM
this made me smile .....I've got a degree but I put 'some college' because rightly or wongly some people are intimidated by qualifications so I didn't admit to it (the only lie on my profile I should add lol). Personally I dont think it matters too much about qualifications.

The most important educatonal establishment is the University of Life. No O'levels or a masters, it matters not in terms of what sort of person you or I might be.
 ir82
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:30:02 PM
For me going to university was a major part of my life so my degree is important to me and has given me options I would not have already had. Personally though I am not bothered if a woman has a degree or not. I do think been educated to at least A level (Level 3) is important though.

Education is not really that important to me (I do have several qualifications) but I didn't bother with a masters or anything like that. I suppose I am just very open minded about the entire thing really.
 bootielicious
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Posted: 7/7/2012 7:31:03 PM
I didn't get a distinction, just a bog standard 2:2, but having left school with 2 GCSE's and suffered a brain virus 7 years earlier, I worked so hard to retain that information. I also went through a divorce and looked after my son while working 2 jobs and never once faultered or thought about giving up, because I thought it was the key to my future and employment. That is where I went wrong sadly.

I really enjoyed taking the degree and would love to take another one, but of course that would be a luxury and would do nothing to enhance my chances of getting good work.

I have it on my profile, because I have it. Not to boast or because I think I'm a better person, as I don't, but it is a fact and a valid part of my past.

I don't understand why it is not thought of as information only, why should it be viewed as negative or postive?
 DAFT_DOG
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Posted: 7/8/2012 12:36:22 PM
Any sort of award for education/training, IE, phd,degrees etc etc, mean very little to me when i`m looking at profiles, to me, their personal achievement things,

However,having said that, they do denote ( to me ) not intelligence, rather, the ability to USE their intelligence ( there`s quite a difference between the two ) :O)

I have nothing of the sort, all that means is that i cant prove that i`m not just a caveman hahaha....pffft who needs them anyway !.. (goes back to building his time machine )
 Soul Union
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:22:05 PM
I appreciate the value of a degree..depending on what the person is doing with it and what the degree is in.

Just having a degree means fvck all. --- Lusipher


Is that right, then? Means "fvck all"?

If I have a Masters degree in medieval English poetry, for example, it means nothing. Is that right? It has to pass your approval first? And then you utter your obscenities, and a yay or nay, as the case may be.

Ah well, at least we know the score.

Blessings to everyone.
- Peter
 scareymush
Joined: 8/9/2011
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:19:43 PM
Education should be a lifelong thing, whilst pursuing degrees might be your thing, whether for you own enjoyment or to get that career you've always wanted...I don't think having a degree or a masters tells the complete story of you as an individual - yes you've proved to yourself and others a certain commitment to seeing through projects to the end..well done..but for most people who've studied for degrees it's well known that they're not exactly un-easy to gain

Formal education doesn't strike me as being any better than someone who consistently educates themselves, pursuing knowledge at their own pace and to their convenience.

The desire to learn is what's most important.
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