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 indigo1357
Joined: 7/10/2009
Msg: 1
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And I do not even mean economic problems, although it is a factor. I mean the population itself is going to collapse and muslims will replace and repopulate europe and north america in about 100 years.

This is because white people are not having babies. The population replacement rate today in most european and north american countries is 1.2 to 1.8. You need at least 2.2 to keep population stable. That is 2.2 children per family. For every person who has no children, someone else needs to have 4.4 children just to keep the population stable. Who has 4 kids any more? This is not acounting for immigrants who are having more children then average, so if you take their numbers out you get 0.8 to 1.2. That is 1 european child per 2 parents on average, halfing the population every generation. I look at young women today and think to myself, how many of them are even going to have 1 child? Probably a third of them. Some more then 1, but very few. Estimate a population replacement rate in the next generation of 0.5 That is a reduction in population of 75% per generation. And all the while we have to hear the UN talking about overpopulation when they know full well we are going to have a population collapse over the next 100 years.

Muslims have 5 to 7 children per family. Within a few more generations and current immigration trends, white caucasion populations in europe and north america will be almost extinct, and the majority will be of middle eastern descent. Our social structure and culture is already ruined anyway, and there is no way to reverse this trend. In my lifetime I will be a minority in the country my parents and grandparents built.

I do not claim this is good/bad or intend it to be racist. It is simply an observation of population trends. We came here and wiped out the native americans, now the muslims (and other races) are coming here and displacing us not by mass killing, but by out breeding.
 indigo1357
Joined: 7/10/2009
Msg: 2
western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/29/2012 8:10:53 PM
and I dont blame them either. Our culture has become degenrate and wrecked so bad we cant possibly survive. So the stronger will replace us.
 Demigod1979
Joined: 12/4/2011
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:00:53 AM
That seems to be the price of success. As people focus on their careers there is less time to devote to family. Not that this trend cannot be reversed, but it requires dramatic action by governments.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:06:31 AM
So you're saying I have time for one last fling with a non-burqed gal? Cool!

All I'll say about the serious side of your post, OP, is that it displays almost a total lack of understanding of the actual History of human kind.
 SnowMoon2012
Joined: 1/21/2012
Msg: 5
western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 3:44:39 PM
{ we came here and wiped out Native Americans}
Ain't Karma a B&@#H
 pappy009
Joined: 2/3/2008
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 4:59:45 PM
Western Civilization is based on law Anglo Saxon Common Law. Muslims come in all colors same with Christians. Immigrants seem to like our legal systems. If western society crumbles its because we changed the law. My great aunt had 16 kids good Catholic. My mom had 2. Once these people get a good life style then the birth rate drops. Areas like China and Japan plus India, I feel are at risk because of there populations, imagine a plague breaking out in those countries. Its happened time and again in human history.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 7
western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 5:32:43 PM
@ Nr 2 ...


" ... Our culture has become degenrate and wrecked so bad we cant possibly survive. So the stronger will replace us. ... "


How 'bout a few examples of the 'degenrate' [sic] and 'wrecked' of which you speak ... ? You mean like Ms Jackson's 'unplanned' wardrobe failure at the SuperBowl? Like 7-year-old Heaven Sutton, who was shot as she sold lemonade outside her house in Chicago? Like Alec Baldwin goin' all 'gangsta' on an innocent kid taking photos of him? Like Natalie Plummer in Houston, TX, who was arrested for holding up a cardboard sign warning drivers about a speed trap? Like 18-year-old Stephanie Milan, watching the Food Network in her living room when the front door was broken down by Evansville, IN SWAT because they used bad WiFi information about the address they were supposed to raid? Or possibly like the White House payroll, which appears to have grown since last year, going from $37.1 million in 2011 to $37.8 million in 2012. The number of employees listed also grew -- from 454 last year to 468 in 2012.

All of these qualify - in their own way - as 'degenerate' and 'wrecked'. Where's the line drawn?

If we're going to just use the simplistic figures for birth rate, whites could be said to be engaged in eliminating themselves from the gene pool because they're simply being beaten in the Breeding Game by other 'competitors'. Whites are not replacing themselves at a 1:1 rate, but at a 1:2 rate. Other nations (e.g., Russia, Sweden) are seeing similar numbers for whites. Outbreeding the competition is a primitive, time-tested, and tribalistic behavior that has been proven to work. We're letting our nation be increasingly driven by those who benefit from pandering to the tribalists - who, btw, take full advantage of our default 'open borders' policy. If you lack sufficient skill to beat your opponent, outbreed him and overwhelm his society with sheer weight of numbers.

Whether Western society will lose or win the (ahem) 'Breeder's Cup' is an unknown at this time. Since we have had more than one 'administration' which lacked / lacks the balls to enforce our immigration laws, it seems unlikely that the American portion of Western 'civilization' will continue in the form we've known it. Much as I despise the vision, it would seem we have reached - or are about to reach - the 'tipping point' beyond which the number of 'takers' is greater than the number of 'makers'. After that, it's only a matter of time before the 'takers' (who, btw, have the power to vote, even if they fail to contribute to society) keep electing those who voluntarily turn over the goodies in the basket to them in exchange for being maintained perpetually in power. I don't like that vision, but it seems to gain more credence with each day's 'news'.
 adamoof
Joined: 9/12/2011
Msg: 8
western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 5:59:33 PM
I read your message, I thought of the title it's a philosophy, where philosophy loved

But I found your article describes, without explanation, it has a recipe in the research methodology

I think in order to be useful must be found as follows:

Learn about the history of peoples

Culture of the peoples

Selfishness of west human

Do not neglect also the class struggle
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 6/30/2012 6:38:19 PM

That seems to be the price of success. As people focus on their careers there is less time to devote to family. Not that this trend cannot be reversed, but it requires dramatic action by governments


The movie is called idiocracy. Watch it. And no the government won't save you. The governments version will be birtcontrol against the poor.

Good luck with that.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 10
western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 7/1/2012 8:09:08 AM

" ... western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years ... "


Ever notice that when it comes to the area of 'Dire Predictions', the ones making 'em always have a timeline that's either so close there's no time left for corrective action (e.g., 'The Earth Will End In A Deep Freeze In 10 Years!') or so far out (e.g., 'western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years') that the time frame renders it beyond the lifetime(-s) of the readers ... ? Ever notice that ... ? Huh ... ?

The supposed reason for the coming collapse of 'Western Civilization' is given as 'outbreeding'. While this is a legitimate concern, there's a lot more to 'Western Civilization' than can be easily removed by simple overpopulation by the 'Breeders'. While the white / brown / yellow / red (gotta love them colors, right?) composition of the United States - I'm impelled to infer, absent further definition by OP, that's what OP means by 'Western' - may change, there are still many social, political, and economic phenomena that will survive and, more than likely, be adopted in one form or another by the 'new kids on the block'. Why? Simply because it's what they'll have grown used to. It's not rocket science.

I like that little implied threat at Nr 9, tho' - the one which cloaks its request that we 'Do not also neglect the class struggle'. Yeah, the 'class struggle'. Nice little injection of Marxist class warfare there. Mix that with the 'Selfishness of west human' and there's no end to the killing that can take place as a result of the hatred in that vile little brew. We should know it's all the fault of the West, right? We've seen how this 'view' has been applied before. Pol Pot's 'killing fields' in Cambodia come to mind, as does the Taliban's wanton destruction of ancient stone carvings by using them for artillery practice in the 'stan before we got involved. There are - unfortunately - far too many 'new kids' willing to 'not also neglect the class struggle'. It's what they do. It's all they do. Is this a factor in the OP's reasoning re the 'collapse of Western civilization' ... ? Gotta wonder, y' know ...

That said, even should the OP's 'prediction' be accurate, none of us will be around by then to critique it - or him ... we'll be busy takin' our 'dirt nap'.
 wanderer1999
Joined: 2/10/2007
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western civilization is going to collapse in 100 years
Posted: 7/1/2012 8:42:43 AM
All civilizations and cultures go through rise and decline. Some just disappear, others linger before they disappear or are assimilated by another dominant culture/civilization.

This can be caused by any of a variety of factors... extinction through war, economic collapse, absorption into larger political entities, mass cultural adoption, and yes, by becoming a minority in cases where ethnicity/nationality is intricately tied to the cultural dominance.

That is neither good or bad. History is replete with civilizations and cultures that rise and fall. I'm sure they would be bleeting complaints similar in nature.

Rome, England, France, Greece, China, Egypt, and the list goes on and on and on all had their times in the Sun, when being Cultured was synonymous with being Roman, English, French or Egyptian.

I'm sure there were people in those days too that lamented over cultural change, economic changes and power shifts.

That said, the concept of Islam becoming culturally dominant is far fetched at best. First, being Muslim is being a member of a religion, not an ethnicity, and ethnicity is only tenuously tied to religion. Second, Islam is a fractured religion, in a sense not much more unified than Christianity or Judaism is with many flavors of denominations and positions on the ideological spectrum. Third, the bulk of the money and power in the world is Not wielded by those who follow Islam. And Fourth, in the US the population of those of Middle-Eastern decent or those worshipping Islam is actually growing far slower than those of Hispanic and Christian decent.

Translated, they have a limited ability to push their particular religious and cultural agendas economically, socially, demographically, or ideologically.

It's far more likely that culture in the next 100 years will be influenced by Nations like China (1b+ people, and a rising economic power) or those of Hispanic decent (typically Christian and growing rapidly) than they will be by the handful of idealogues backed by those living in countries like Saudi Arabia (small population, dwindling natural resources, economically undeveloped, economically non-diverse, non-existant mass media, speaking a minority language, small military, and no expansionist desires).

And if you think the Chinese are going to go for Sharia law, I'll take whatever you're smoking.

Ultimately, it's all rather irrelevant.

Culture will become what it becomes, and there's nothing we can do about it. In 1,000 years, there will be a new crop of powers, populations and cultural norms. And I doubt they'll care a whit about how they got there, or the lost "western" values. And they certainly won't be pining about the "good old days"
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 7/1/2012 10:45:20 AM
One of the things to watch out for, when you want to talk about the so-called "rise and fall of civilisations," is that the concept of rises and falls, in and of itself, is not a real thing. It is an Historians' CONSTRUCT.

When trying to find ways to tell stories about the past to everyone else, we Historians often use the same tools of narrative that most people do, including Simile, and Framing.

Simile means that we tell you something like "the Roman Empire was just like a Cow chewing it's cud in those times" or some such thing, depending upon what we think you might already know about. The trick about similes is always that you have to realize that they are very limited: just because the Roman Empire was like a cow chewing cud, doesn't mean that having a farmer come by with a bunch of vitamin-spiced feed was what the Romans needed right then. Nor does it mean that the people of Rome could have waited a few hours and then milked the Empire by pulling on it's nether appendages.

Framing means that we have to start talking about the past, and we have to stop at some point, so we say something like "It all started with a giant turtle carrying a seashell on it's back" or some such. We talk about "rise" of a civilization, and "fall," but the reality is often more of a bumpy, but nevertheless continuous series of peoples living their lives, having children, and then dying.

Lots of the time, if you talk about something like the Empire of the Greeks, or of the Romans, what actually happened wasn't that one day they were running around in togas, and the next they were wearing bearskins. The official tax collectors were often the only real change that happened to the bulk of the peasantry.
 HayYager
Joined: 6/8/2012
Msg: 13
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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:33:24 AM

Muslims have 5 to 7 children per family. Within a few more generations and current immigration trends, white caucasion populations in europe and north america will be almost extinct, and the majority will be of middle eastern descent.


Not all people of middle eastern descent are Muslims. Caucasian can be Muslims--no rules against it. People of the general physical type known as middle eastern are considered to be Caucasian.

And so it goes.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:19:09 PM

The alternative is for government to invest in its citizens with subsidized education, health care and a social safety net.

But that will never happen in the US because the Powers That Be want you dumb so you'll believe in Jesus, sick so you'll spend money on pharmaceuticals, and afraid of crime so you'll buy guns. They'll label it "socialism" and link it to being Communist and a ****.


Hate to break it to you but we already have your alternative. If you think it sucks than is there an alternate to your alternate you are looking for?

There is billions of dollars 'invested' in citizens with subsidized education, healthcare and a social safety net." Oh... you want more? So, I'm assuming your making more money from the benefits already provided that you can now provide more to give to others right?

As for the Jesus part... Some parts of the country are heavily in the Jesus camp. That is another issue unrelated to western civilization collapsing.

Being afraid of crime to buy guns... Well, the funny thing about that is with just over 311 million people in the United States, in 2009 there were 10,639,000 crimes across the US. Making a less than accurate but close enough assumption that 1 person committed each crime and that would be 3% of the population may be involved in committing a crime. (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/law_enforcement_courts_prisons/crimes_and_crime_rates.html) Although 97% of the population may not commit a crime we have a habit of being entertained and engrossed in that 3% if you go by ratings of major nightly news programs. 6% of the population or 19,975,000 are watching the main nightly news programs. (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/evening-news-ratings).

Ok, so we have 97% of the population not committing a crime and we have 47% of the population owning a gun (http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx) so what can we say about gun owners related to crime? There doesn't seem to be any correlation between legal and reported gun ownership and crime. They just feel better. Who is most afraid of those guns... The government. There is a possibility that the 3% of criminals may tread more carefully because nearly half of their potential victims may themselves be armed although I think crime tends towards people that know eachother or have some other linking characteristic rather than total random especially direct person on person crime rather then person and property.

So, is what you believe that everyone else believes based on what 9% of the population actually do?

Socialism and Communism are real. They are not myths. The world has always been challenged by political forces and over which form should dominate the others. With you socialism appears to be dominating. Not everyone feels as you do. Some people are prepared to fight to prevent that from occurring. It is how the world works.


BTW- the poor WANT birth control.

But not this kind:
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/48017298
 GGarbo
Joined: 10/8/2007
Msg: 15
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:25:08 PM
Aboriginals now have the youngest mean population and are the fastest growing demographic in Canada (maybe North America but I'd have to check). Funny, I just mentioned this another post but it is typically the poorest who reproduce the most. My theory is its a survival mechanism to ensure the best chance of survival for the species in times of crisis.

Most white people are having less babies because they are going through no survival crisis. Although with poor white folks, that's a dif story.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 7/1/2012 10:43:38 PM

Then why does the US incarcerate more of its citizens than any other country in the world?


Again, not so simple. State budgets are really strained everywhere. A common approach to save money is to release prisoners, close prisons, close mental hospitals.

Maybe it is just me but I have been noticing an increase in 'over the top' crimes lately. Face eating, mass kill gunman, increased drug crimes... I don't know... could it be related?

There are a group of incarcerated I don't think belong. That would be low level drug users. Other than that you really need to answer for the crimes of those that you claim to be incarcerated more than any other country in the world. Just saying that doesn't speak for itself. You must qualify it with some form of statement that can be debated. Personally, I do not want criminals to be let off so easily. Gang members should be locked up. Drug Traffickers are not moral citizens. What is it that you do not agree with?

Oh... and one group that should not be in jail... Dead Beat Dads. What other monetary debts cause jail... also if you read the restrictions on fathers on child support it is almost impossible to escape being classified as a criminal. It only takes losing your job or having financial hardships that don't work out with the DISO master computer program. I'm a sole custody father so I don't have this issue anymore but it is seriously bad and should be considered one of the higher priorities of injustices to correct.
 60to70
Joined: 7/28/2008
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:29:31 AM
The reason Western Civilization deserves what( it) will face is because it faced what it refused to embrace. A land of plenty that nurtured children on the backs of parents who never set foot in a high school..never mind a university. Western civilization and its governments and policies decided that the best way to go is to the lowest common denominator that increased the plenty of the rich and the slavery of those not born rich. It ain't complicated. Its just bizarre and insulting. Anyhoo...I ain't afraid of those who do not share my Christian upbringing. Its all the same in the end. Who is god? What is civilization ultimately about? Who cares if you are a Muslim or a Catholic ? if you are born in the lowest sphere of classes? What collapses everything is a lack of genuine belief in life. And its splendour and promise. So it goes. Muslim or Christian, brown skin or white? La de dah. Its all human nature.
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