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 CavesBeach
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Awards and Nominations of Julian
2009 Amnesty International Media Award
Readers' Choice for TIME magazine's 2010 Person of the Year
2011 Sydney Peace Foundation gold medal
2011 Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism

nomination - 2011 Nobel Peace Prize nomination by Snorre Valen, a Norwegian parliamentarian

It is my belief that this country has lost its knackers when it comes to helping its own citizens on foreign soil.

Surely everybody knows "Julian Assange" for his whistle-blowing website "http://www.wikileaks.org"
He has become most unsavoury govt.s the world over for publishing private chit chat from pollys ratting each other out. maybe your one of the 12 million or so that watched his youtube video "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0" that was leaked called "Collateral Damage" where a our soldiers of freedom mowed down unarmed persons on the street with giggles from attack helicopters

he has most recently been put under house arrest fighting charges from Sweden for sexual crimes he claims he never committed, and is worried the USA may extradite him from Sweden and execute him for his work with wikileaks.

Assange's lawyers and former Chief District Prosecutor for Stockholm, Sven-Erik Alhem, called the Swedish warrant "unreasonable and unprofessional, as well as unfair and disproportionate"

His Country he share's with us, has done nothing to help him, Gillard is useless and has been hugely criticised for doing nothing at all except condem him with out question and he has now fled to an Ecuadorian embassy to seek political asylum.

Should we bring back this Aussie hacker from Townsville and let Australian law finalize this ??
or
let the international community have their way with him like poor old Hicks'ie
(the old keep him for a few years with out trail then put him on a gag order and release)



One thing is for sure, if your overseas and the shit hits the fan, always know where your Ecuadorian embassies are cobba's !!
 robertaus
Joined: 1/26/2010
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Posted: 7/12/2012 2:15:14 AM
Yes he does deserve our help as does any other Australian Citizen.However there is not a lot the Aust. govt can do as he is under a European Arrest Warrant. Australia does not have a warrant out for his arrest as he hasn't committed any crimes here so we can't legally bring him back to Australia.Despite the legal constraints I think the Govt. could have or should still do more.The Septics class him as a terrorist so of course Julia is going to agree with them.Therefore is the reason for our Govts. non-action.
 3ffervescent
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Posted: 7/12/2012 2:16:35 AM
Ahhhh, the local lad...
(I actually think he is from Magnetic Island - just off the coast, but close enough to be a local)

Well, I don't want him sent to America...
--I wouldn't send anyone there.

I have to say, I was thoroughly impressed when I found out he was from up here.

Prior to him, I think our biggest export was Ken Turner (the Santa that became an MP) -- even if it was for Pauline and her One Nation Bigot party.

They could probably use him and his IT experience up here, we are rolling out the NBN at the moment...

--yeah,
I think they should bring him back.

Edited to add:

Perhaps, if he was as pretty as Schapelle Corby, it would be a different story...
 foxboroughhottubs
Joined: 7/15/2010
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Posted: 7/12/2012 2:39:37 AM
Man Cavey , you know how to post a conudrum dont you :)

The whole Julian Assange affair will polarise individuals . On the one hand you have the closest thing to an Internet Revolutionary fighting against "The Man " , On the other you have an alleged sexual predator ....
As is usual in such matters , only those directly involved will ever know even part of the truth of whether he is Messiah , or Mongrel ...

I think legal juristiction in all matters should be up to the protectorate in which the crimes ( alleged ) occured , i.e. if you are an Australian Citizen , and you commit an act of "Terrorism" or "Treason" against another nationality , then you should only be tried by that nationality , if the physical act took place on their soil , this is the basis of extradition as we know it , where a foreign national may be forced to answer his actions that took place in another country .

Unfortunately , Law seldom keeps pace with the rest of the world , and as is highlighted by this debacle , the ease of travel , and the interweb means borders are no longer defined so clearly .
Until their is an International Law , which holds ALL residents of the planet accountable, then we must work within the existing framework .

I would like to think the existing framework SHOULD protect someone like Julian Assange from unfounded claims ( if they are) just as much as it SHOULD NOT protect him if their is unassailable evidence that he did commit such acts .
Either way , YES the Australian Govt should be throwing their hat into the ring far more than they are ... it seems a drug smuggler in Asia gets more attention from the Fed Lawyers :)

Bearing the above in mind I think that perhaps their should be an international court , Which has no allegiance to any particular country whatsoever , and upon its discretion , recommend whether or not the aggrieved country gets to prosecute an individual or not ?

Assange really muddys the waters , because he is charged with such disparate crimes , one for the people , and one lot against the people ?.... Is the secondary allegations of Sexual matters a direct consequence of the wikileaks ? Only Assange , his alleged victim , and the U.S. Govt has the answer to that ?

Racking my brain for an answer to this situation , I could only propose one fair outcome for Assange , He should be deported to Sweden to face his charges there , If found innocent of the charges he should be released and free to travel where ever he wants , no doubt to a country who doesnt have an agreement with the U.S. ..... If convicted in Sweden then he is guilty of a crime in that country , and should be sentenced and also made available to the U.S.... because he has committed a crime on Swedish soil , he should not expect to be protected . If however he is brought into Sweden on an unfounded charge , it should be recognised that he was only ever in Sweden at that time because of the allegations and not of his own volition and therefore not bound by a further extradition ...

The U.S.of A invented "Double Jeopardy " Laws , perhaps their contribution to international law could be applying it in this case .
Assange guilty in Sweden ... sure you can try him for extradition .
Assange Not Guilty in Sweden ... was forced into a country by false allegations , should not be subject to a second party extradition ?
 3ffervescent
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Posted: 7/12/2012 2:59:53 AM

only those directly involved will ever know even part of the truth of whether he is Messiah , or Mongrel ...


@Foxy, I see your Bill 'n' Ted, and raise it, to Monty Python...

"He is not the Messiah, he is just a very naughty boy..."

I really don't think he is going to get a fair trial anywhere...

He is already infamous.
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 7/12/2012 4:04:17 AM
Guys getting extradited cause durex cut costs and sold a weaker product, that's pretty stiff.

This guy use to travel over europe bumming of people so he could do his thing networking with those who don't like the political flavour of our society, he bummed cause his bank accounts were frozen, no one ever explained why they were frozen.It's assumed cause he published material showing graphic crimes against humanity in Iraq. If this aint the reason one would ask then how come no other media released this info?

Anyway he stayed at one chicks house and had sex, while travelling to another place he met a chick and screwed her before returning tot he first one's house. Well the two met as they do sometimes and found out the bad news. They approached the law enforcement to get him to submit to a std test (law in sweden allows this)

Nothing cum of it, but then all of a sudden this got on the radar, he hasn't been charged with anything and anyone with half a brain knows that Sweden will extradite to a country with the death penalty.

What i find sick in all of this is most people who say he deserves what he gets are the most vocal ones about lack of freedoms in afganistan or such, the ones shoving it down our throat about how free we are, tell that to assange supporters , hypocrites.
 Carpentologist
Joined: 4/9/2012
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Posted: 7/12/2012 5:15:36 PM
A.J deserves more government support for his wikileak related legal issues. I'm not sure if the government should intervene in an alleged sex crime though. It's more important that these women have their day in court and A.J his, than to fight an extradition to the U.S which may not even happen. These women have been treated pretty shabbily if the allegations are proven true. ,
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/12/2012 6:40:14 PM

It's more important that these women have their day in court

day at court, charge him with being popular with the ladies or being a man whore for sure but the rest, its just a diversion for the extradition - the oz gov seems very quiet on the issue, spineless Gillard govt.
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ECUADOR's foreign minister - chief diplomat Ricardo Patino said

"sexual assault allegations in Sweden against Julian Assange are laughable, but no ruling has been made on the WikiLeaks founder's asylum application."

"Personally, (I think) this is hilarious," , explaining that Assange "is charged because his condom broke".
An alleged victim filed a complaint, because she "realised that on certain nights, the condom broke."
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its fairly obvious they want him States side...and then its bye bye human rights, national threat blah blah a kangaroo court and a cuban holiday
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 7/12/2012 7:34:53 PM
http://www.rt.com/news/wikileaks-visa-court-case-040/



WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said "This is a significant victory against Washington's attempt to silence WikiLeaks. We will not be silenced. Economic censorship is censorship. It is wrong. When it's done outside of the rule of law its doubly wrong. One by one those involved in the attempted censorship of WikiLeaks will find themselves on the wrong side of history."

The blockade stripped away over 95% of donations from supporters of WikiLeaks, costing the organization in excess of $20 million.



If assange has a case to answer?


"I can support Al-Qaeda, the Ku Klux Klan, buy weapons and drugs and all kinds of porn with my Visa card. There is nobody investigating this, but I cannot support a human rights organisation which is fighting for freedom of expression,"
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/12/2012 7:48:58 PM
yep, that sums it the whole thing up for me tah !! ....is a bit of a unsung hero in my books....
 Tah,
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Posted: 7/14/2012 4:12:47 AM
here is a fb group who think he is being extradited tot he USA.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/NO-for-the-extradition-of-Julian-Assange-to-the-USA/199438520066643


everyone seems to agree but our goverment.
 GuessWhat1964
Joined: 4/15/2012
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Posted: 7/14/2012 7:41:06 AM
The woman or women who claimed Julian assaulted them have got to be princesses to want him to go to trial. Sure I can understand that they feel hard done by, but where is their self respect and respect for the rest of the world by wanting to bring this living god to a place of extradition.

Imagine this: You have an argument in the local restaurant with a guy who hits you in the mouth. You are angry at him and want justice. You then find out this man is a scientist on the verge of a breakthrough for the cure for cancer. If you take charges out against him, he may end up in jail for a couple of years, thereby putting his cancer research on hold for that time.

Now imagine the impact on the world here, because of your vanity. If these women were on the level, they would settle out of court. It happens everyday. Most cases are settled without the judge and jury. I doubt those women were nuns to begin with.

The whole thing is blatently obvious.
 Mistergeek
Joined: 6/14/2012
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:52:00 AM
I doubt there is any victimised Woman outside of this propaganda
It was the fastest way for the Government to get him under control with so called (public) support,

A case of Wag the Dog
 foxboroughhottubs
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Posted: 7/22/2012 7:38:21 PM
ABC Four Corners tonight ( Monday 23rd )
"Sex.lies, and Julian Assange "

Could be interesting viewing :)
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/22/2012 8:02:33 PM
on ya foxy, thanks heaps
time to pop in a VHS in the old JVC
 HappyRocker
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Posted: 7/24/2012 3:26:15 PM
If I post something silly or email someone something, I loose the actual control over that communication (but not the intellectual rights) ... So a bunch of diplomats (with access to diplomatic bags and first class airfares for face to face meetings) did just that and are shocked that they eventually came out!

Amazing.
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/24/2012 4:03:51 PM
what shocked me about the whole affair is Interpol issues a code RED for Julian Assange's arrest.

INTERPOL has issued a "Orange Alert" against Colonel Gadhafi
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, despite numerous government-directed massacres in his country, has no notices

so kill a bunch of civilians and you might just get an Orange card (restricts your travel)
have a non profit org that publishes verified information from whistle blowers and your worse than a mass murderer..

and your prime-minister instead of back you up will wipe her hands of your before you are convicted of anything.

Gillard wonders why the country cant stand her...
Its one thing to be best mate's with America, its another to be their little bitch
 Tah,
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Posted: 7/24/2012 4:42:17 PM
did you see david hicks court case was settled? he was basicaly cleared (considering he was never charged,tried or convicted in a court of law) and allowed to keep his profits from his book.

The conviction in his voice as he spoke at a recent sydney rally for assange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QZYTjb-Qps
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/24/2012 6:58:30 PM
cheers tah, was great hearing hicksie, I read his book..and feel every aussie should read it. if he's taliban I'm a monkeys ass..

regardless, before any human has their freedom taken away by an elected govt. tortured or not they should atleast be charged ..with any thing. modern society ....pft!!

David Hicks never had any Interpol warrants and look what they did to him !!!

no wonder Julian is requesting political asylum from the states thru a govt that does not worship America
 GuessWhat1964
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:01:52 AM
Cavesbeach wrote:

no wonder Julian is requesting political asylum from the states thru a govt that does not worship America


They don't worship America....they fear for their very existence.

(Q)What do you call someone pointing a gun in your face?
(A) Sir
 CavesBeach
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:58:13 AM
yer I can see Ecuador is shaking in their shoes like Cuba, and Columbia and all the othe lacky's of the states, thats why they come out and make statements like they do.. google up some news cheif.. sad
 HappyRocker
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Posted: 7/28/2012 6:02:02 PM
I guess to put it in perspective - Spying and subversion are illegal acts in all nations. Therefore Wikileaks outed illegal activity. The USA with the cooperation of the Swedish and Australian (by their lack of objection) governments is attempting to illegally detain Julian Assange to put him on trial for their own illegal activities.

It is sort of like someone wanting a divorce because their partner didn't stop them having a secret affair.
 Tah,
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Posted: 7/28/2012 11:30:43 PM
another perspective would be the one theodore roosvelt mentioned
a democracy is only a democracy if its citizens are informed

quite clearly assange is champion of democracy as he believes we should be informed and the american and australians don't believe we should be informed
 SwanLake73
Joined: 4/22/2012
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Posted: 8/16/2012 5:52:19 AM
He has been granted assylum now..
 gingerosity
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Posted: 8/16/2012 5:58:25 AM
He's still got to get out of the country which involves travelling over British land. The Brits have already threatened to invoke the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 to revoke the status of the embassy so they can storm the place.
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