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 photopilot1
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Absolutely eBikes should be licensed, insured, and the rider should have some sort of license, or at minimum must pass a MOT test.

Here is what Ontario law says about eBikes.....
- "No modifications to the motor to allow it to exceed a power output greater than 500W and a speed greater than 32 km/h."
- "If the pedals have been removed from an e-bike, it is no longer considered to be an e-bike. Removing the pedals makes it an illegal motor vehicle because it does not conform with the Highway Traffic Act definition of a power-assisted bicycle. Operators run the risk of being ticketed for operating a motor vehicle without registration and insurance."

Next time you're walking down the street and see an eBike parked (especially the ones designed to look like motor scooters) take a look at how many of them have the pedals removed.
Also, do a quick little web search and you'll find tons of things designed to circumvent the power and speed requirements and allow them to go up to over 80 kph.

Now watch these menaces in the city.... weaving in and out of traffic, driving on sidewalks, going the wrong way down one-way streets, driving at night with absolutely no lights, and on and on. They are a MENACE on our roads and need to be legislated. Heck, even Toronto City Council has banned them from the Toronto Islands, from City Bike Paths, from High Park (except designated roadways).

So definately yes, it's time to regulate eBikes and license, test and insure the riders
 photopilot1
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:47:35 PM
So Googleplus.... by your logic, If I'm driving my car or motorbike, as long as I obey all the laws I also shouldn't have to be licensed, pay insurance, or have license plates. You're saying that one class of vehicle on the road should be exempt from all regulation and licencing while others aren't. That's twisted logic at best.
 onefreeguy
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:38:01 PM

Bike and Ebike riders are subject to the same traffic laws as a car driver... ( you can be charged with driving impaired on a 10 speed for example)


You're off on this one. Impaired driving in both the HTA and the Crimina Code is specific to vessels, trains, or motorized vehicles. A 10-speed bicycle or any strictly human-powered bicycle at all is not a motorized vehicle under Ontario or criminal law. The only charge that would apply to impaired operation of a bicycle would be that of public intoxication under the Liquor License Act of Ontario, and that has all the weight of a parking ticket.

An e-Bike falls into its own unique area when it comes to impaired driving laws. Under provincial law it is considered to be the same as a bicycle so long as the pedals are attached, otherwise it is a motorized vehicle. Under federal law it is a motorized vehicle even if the pedals are attached.

If you are caught driving impaired even with over .08 BAC on an e-Bikle with pedals attached, Ontario's provincial HTA provisions re impaired driving do not apply, so you are not subject to an automatic and immediate 90-day license suspension on being charged, nor are you subject to the automatic on-the-spot 3-day/7-day/30-day administrative suspensions if you are caught with between .05 and .08 BAC . If the pedals are not attached, you are no longer considered to be a bicycle, and the relevant on-the-spot license suspensions would apply.

Regardless, pedals attached or not, e-Bike riders are subject to criminal impaired driving charges if caught operating impaired with over .08 BAC. They are subject to that minimum 1-year driving prohibition if convicted, and because e-Bikes are still considered motor vehicles under federal law, that driving prohibition would apply to e-Bike use with or without pedals attached just as much as it would apply to a car or a truck.
 onefreeguy
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:40:41 PM

Pedal cycle-wise as the vehicle you are in control of has no speed indication they cannot give you a ticket or fine.


There is no HTA requirement for cars and trucks to have working speedometers. You can still get a ticket for speeding. The same applies to bicycles.
 onehappyfellow
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Posted: 9/19/2012 6:56:19 PM
Insurance against theft is recommended.

Just has a guest stay at my house both ways from his home in Quebec to Niagara and back again as much s possible by the water front. About 130 km per charge on Battery purchased from China

Part of self imposed physio challenge after a double hip replacement and spinal fusion left him with mobility challenges.
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