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 cotter
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We did it ... we were able to retain Barack Obama as our President ...

Wake up Republicans ... stop trying to obstruct the Democratic process in this country!

It's apparent the people do not want your obstructionism so now do what you're paid to do and get to work!
 HeartInAtlantis
Joined: 9/23/2012
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Posted: 11/6/2012 9:54:33 PM
A good election for Democrats and liberal principles. The nation's first black president re-elected in the toughest economy in decades, leading a sluggish recovery after the worst economic disaster in 80 years, and beating the odds with a second term despite high unemployment. This is a vote of confidence in Obama and the Dems. It says the country trusts them to steer the course out of catastrophichic Republican policies and obstructionism. Think what the numbers would have been at 6 percent unemployment.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 11/6/2012 10:36:46 PM
For myself, I worked to reelect the president.

I fully acknowledge that he failed to bring the economy as far as all americans wanted. Then again, I also understand that the hole was deeper than most would have actually believed it was. Hopefully we can continue to right the ship of our economy, to put americans to work.

Unfortunately, I must also acknowledge that the republicans maintained control of the House. Now, here I will digress from the normal political chit chat...That's not necessarily a bad thing. The ying and yang of politics is such that we need to unite as a group(citizens), to make progress as a nation.

My biggest thing I would like to see, is the elmination or a self inflicted stoppage, of the tearing of the fabric of this country for the profit of the few at MSNBC and FOX NEWS...there is no reason for a continuance of the hatifeld/mccoy attitude between the two parties. While it makes for loyal viewership and feel good moments..it hardly moves our nation from where it is, to where it needs to be.

I'm sorry, if a****cheney, hardly my favorite person in the world, can embrace same sex marriage, because of his daughter, than why do we continue to need a party of extremists, who will oppose that?

Republicans...TAKE BACK YOUR PARTY!!!! Conservatism, is not a four letter word...only when it becomes a totalitarian outlook to the exclusion of anything else...government does not progress in a vacum...it needs the best of both sides in order to do the natural work of the people of this country...

Religion belongs in church. It is a protected feature of our constitution. If you don't believe in something...then don't do it...don't expect others who don't think or believe like you do, to accept your values, or beliefs...don't try and effect our electoral process...you have no standing there..seperation of church and state doncha know!


I expect the president when all the numbers are in...he will have a majority of the electoral college AND a majority of the popular vote...whether you like it or not, that gives him the legitmacy to lead the government...
 sweetest
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Posted: 11/6/2012 10:54:41 PM
Yes indeed ---It's a FANTASTIC night!

My remote is in overdrive: pundit implosions on Fox, deconstructions and blaming on every major network --Fox in particular -- seemed to have the biggest three ring-circus going on though with Rove going Rogue on the results....

I can only imagine the machinations of the rest of the clown car folks: Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter....and truthfully just imagining it, gives me a smile!

EVERYTHING that many of us from the Democratic point of view has posted and defended, some for years now...has been defended and legitimized and more importantly, bit the Republican ticket in the butt.

Their lie: 'There's no 'war on women'...To that - two words: Gender gap. President Obama won the women's vote by 12%.

So many said that the President wouldn't get the youth vote....Surprise Surprise...He won the youth vote by 30%.

So many said that there was an 'enthusiasm gap'....you must be kidding....I never bought that. Turns out they polled equally at 70%, but I can tell you that when you want to trample with the rights of people TO VOTE....watch out for the stirring of the beast!

DIVERSITY in all it's permutations whether ethnically, whether linguistically and whether socially is where it's at. And this is what the GOP has got to get their heads around...or they'll never be able to compete for the White House----never be really able to keep pace with other countries that have a culture of inclusiveness that lift people up to greatness. The Democrats are the party of Demographic mastery and it showed tonight.

As I said before many times...the Repubs haven't seemed to 'grasp' that the US is going 'brown'...and if they don't know what that means, they better figure it out pretty damn quick. There simply aren't enough old, angry white guys to fill the deficit anymore.

What's remarkable to me anyway, is that this was a numbers game from the start. And the win didn't come through the two self-professed 'numbers guys'...it came from the ACE NUMBERS GUY---The much derided Community Organizer of ALL TIME, who organized, galvanized and delivered 'the numbers' through an amazing strategic ground-game.

Romney may have been 'smart'....Obama was and is smarter and instinctively knew how to set the win up to win.

And this win came from a man that despite all the haters out there and on this board, always seemed to have the affection and loyalty of many of the people despite the slow trajectory up on the economy, because people I think realized that overall his policies, his plans for the country 'served the many and not the few'...they knew he had their (our) back.

Romney did not inspire affection with most people---not from his own party either. A flawed candidate indeed with no character, no integrity and no judgement. Biden said it best, "You don't ever want to bet against the American people."....Romney did. The American people chose the wisely. Romney may be gone in the short term; in the long term the infighting begins....and the party loses 5 Senate seats....a trouncing against the toxic Tea-party.


So rest easy Republicans....Plenty of time to get your tighty-whities in a bunch tomorrow...and over the next 4 glorious years....All is now right with the world for Democrats and...for more than half of us....That should count for something right?

Mitt, you and Anne had it wrong with your disdainful, dismissive out of touch... "You People"...it was always about a resounding "WE THE PEOPLE"....too bad you didn't ever understand that. Looking at the President's gathering to hear his speech tonight in Chicago....I'm looking at America in that crowd. I never ONCE saw that reflected back with Mitt Romney in any of his.
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:41:18 AM

Romney did not inspire affection with most people---not from his own party either. A flawed candidate indeed with no character, no integrity and no judgement.


This ^ is true. The GOP needs to do serious soul searching! they need to dismiss pple like Palin, Santorum, Gingrich. Guys like Rubio & Jindal need to step up and move over to the center. It will be their only hope; because if the economy continues to improve even slowly, the GOp will continue to lose even in 2016.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:15:12 AM
Why move to the center? Because then its not that far to the extreme left? moving to the center accomplishes nothing there are core beliefs that have no room for compromise...why don't you just be honest you want reps to agree with your liberal ideology and to pass your liberal policies...

a good example is gay marriage...republicans were completeky against it..then they compromised on civil unions..that isn't good enough...liberals will settle for nothing less than gay marriage...Libs sstart at marriage and will end there..that is not compromise...

Illegal immigration same story..libs start at amnesty Rebubs start at no amnesty..a little hemming and hawing...bunch of different proposals ..Libs say not good enough Amnesty!
That is Liberals idea of compromise..show boat posture then eventually get what you wanted from the beginning..Repubs cave...Go Bipartinsanship!!!
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:04:36 PM
I'm sorry, but both of your examples are just factually wrong.

When California voted on gay marriage a few years ago, more Republicans voted for gay marriage than did Democrats. And Reagan is the guy that introduced the amnesty for illegal aliens. The more recent bill was a bipartisan one.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:17:20 PM

Why move to the center? Because then its not that far to the extreme left?

Hmmm... That's a real head-scratcher (not)...

Let's see... The economy is the worst it has ever been in the living memory of most US voters (not too many left who are old enough to remember the Great Depression)... unemployment still hangs at 'incumbent killer' levels... an incumbent President with some of the lowest public approval ratings ever recorded... These are conditions which SHOULD have made it possible for the Repubs to get a baboon elected if they played their hand well...

And STILL the brain-damaged Republicans and brain-dead Teabaggers couldn't get their candidate into office... There is a reason for that, I'll quote it below for you...

moving to the center accomplishes nothing there are core beliefs that have no room for compromise

So... what you seem to be saying is that you would rather throw your vote away and have NONE of your concerns addressed than field a winning candidate who might be able to address at least some of them...

Sounds like a winning strategy to me (rolls eyes)...
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 6:00:27 AM

These are conditions which SHOULD have made it possible for the Repubs to get a baboon elected if they played their hand well...
Being in Canada you aren't bombarded with pro Obama propaganda on every network channel..they build him up report only positives ignore negatives anything that may cast Obama in a less than favorable light is not reported in the regular news...Of Course he got re-elected...

Of course you missed the point I was making...compromise as defined by Liberals is doing exactly what they want..I cited Gay Marriage and Illegal immigration as examples...If you want to see how they deal with Compromise look to Obamacare..they didn't compromise because they held all the cards at the time..

You guys are really good at controlling the language move to the center=move to my side on the Left
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 7:02:43 AM
How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? nuff said....he wanted something passed at any cost otherwise it would have been obvious to Communists everywhere that he hasn't accomplished much as President...
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 7:46:49 AM
unYou

First off, let me give you some credit for showing up in these political threads post-election because the rest of your Neocon buddies have cowardly put their tails between their legs and ran for the hills!


How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? nuff said


Obamacare as we now have is not what Obama originally wanted; he'd have preferred a single payer system (the GOp was opposed); he also wanted a "public option" for pple to be given a chance to buy into the various gov't plans that already exist (the GOP didn't want that either). Obama tried to oblige, but kept getting stonewalled.

What did the GOP want, you ask? they wanted NOTHING, because they were being lobbied to the tune of 1.4mil/day by the insurance industry to obstruct any meaningful insurance reform. Obama care is a paired own version of his original plan, which would have probably been better; but this was the only plan he could get through! (thanks to the obstructing efforts of the GOP).

the GOP high command, did not want to work with Obama at all this year, fearing that it might put him in a positive light before the election. Thus, they fell in line with the McConnell doctrine of vying to make Obama a 1 term president (AT ALL costs to the welfare of this nation) by continuing the tight gridlock.

for the GOP, "compromise" is a 4 letter word. Mc Connel himself is a prime example; threatening phibusters all the time; and holding Harry reid hostage. Their only allegiance is to big Business and no-one else. I'm still baffled as to why any middle class individual would cast a vote for these GOP c0cksvckers, as they've done more indirect harm to this country than any of our external enemies have done since WW2!
 flyguy51
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Posted: 11/8/2012 8:12:23 AM

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? nuff said...

If that's all you see, you aren't seeing very much. Reps in congress didn't like the idea of the public option. They argued so desperately against it that they contradicted themselves in the process: "the public option would provide substandard care"; "the public option would be unfair competition to private health insurance companies." Wha?

They even employed propagandist extraordinaire Frank Luntz to coin the phrase "government takeover of healthcare." Socialism!! The downfall of the free world! Such charged language even had an effect on the Democratic constituencies (see: Blue Dog Democrats)

So the Dems compromised (with none too little pressure from healthcare insurance lobbyists) and took the public option provision out. And the Repubs in Congress STILL didn't support it. That was their show of good faith. Their ready solution to the problem? Don't get sick.

Sorta tells you something.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 8:59:11 AM
"How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? nuff said"

How did mitt fair? nuff said! How did Akin/mourdock fair? nuff said! How is being angry old white guys working out for ya? nuff said!

"Don't get sick"

No, not really, it's actually "die quickly"!
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:50:22 AM
Angry? nope..disappointed in the electorate..Yep...

Libs keep saying that Republicans need to move to the center and compromise ...on what are you willing to compromise? abortion? Guns? Taxes? Illegal immigration? Gay Marriage? Energy?
Starting point-
No gay marriage -you say gay marriage..ok lets compromise..
No Abortions- You say
No illegal immigrants,deport all of them no amnesty - you say
No gun control laws everyone allowed to own any gun they like based on Constitution- you say?
Energy drill anywhere everywhere until alternative energy becomes more cost effective- you say?
Taxes, keep rates low for job creators and employers- you say?
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:39:01 AM
"to move to the center and compromise"

Even YOU must admit, the party doesn't resemble who it was for the last 50 years. Most of your heros would not even be nominated now...Reagan, Nixon, Bush sr. none of them would be viewed favorably by the group in control now...

"abortion? Guns? Taxes? Illegal immigration? Gay marriage? Energy?"

You forgot one...voting rights...now is the time to pass non-partisan voting rights..you want ID cards...GREAT! Pass the laws NOW, and make it easy to get one, so the issue is settled in time for the next presidential election!

Abortion, ok, so if you don't want one, don't have one...but don't tell others it offends your religious beliefs! Freedom of religion is also freedom FROM religion. You can't tell people who or what to worship, if they don't believe like you, then they are free to do as they please...

Guns...ok you have em, keep em...but don't tell me you need AK47's for hunting, or assualt rifles for target practice..or 30 round magazines...those are purely vanity items that more often than not, are gathered by deranged people to kill people...

The next you frame incorrectly...immigration reform has been needed since Reagan was president. The problem of illegals in this country was spiking then. We need to come up with a plan to deal with those already here, those who come here illegally in the future, and a better way to make those already here tax paying members of our society. Not pie in the sky plans for huge fences, or moats with aligators, or self deportation.

Gay marriage...there have been gays for over 3,000 years...there will be gays for the next 3,000. If they are paying taxes, living life not breaking any laws, why should they be deprived of the same rights as anyone else? Because it is morally objectionable to you? Or some religious group? AGAIN...freedom from religion! I don't wish to be gay, nor do you I imagine..that doesn't make them less or greater than you or I.

Energy...well do ya think Cheney's plan worked? It gave us the largest oil spill in HISTORY! For decades the oil lobby and industry has tried to block efforts to alternative energy...or do you believe in the tooth fairy of denial?

Oil will only become more expensive...it doesn't matter who is president, romney, obama, palin or limbaugh(gawd forbid)...as competing countries vie for the share of what is pumped from the ground, it will rise in price...look at it another way...the USA has 300 million people...China has what? 2 or 3 billion India has what approaching 2 billion..as their affluence increases with exports...they will suck more and more oil out of the supply being pumped...

Facts are facts, looking for a short term solution of supporting ONLY more drilling will never wean us off oil. Only R&D on new sources will help...

Taxes...this one makes me laugh...have you ever seen a republican run government reduce spending? Oh they may do a bandage here and there, but they never stick to what they promise...example shrub!

Is a 4.6% on the wealthiest,,gonna kill them? Don't think so! The current tax rates are the lowest since income tax was enacted...and what about eliminating the estate tax? You got more than 1 million your gonna leave the kiddies? Or the current 5 mill cap? No elimination only helps people like the mittster who wants ALL 250 million he stole..err...earned to go to his boys.

We had to tax cuts under shrub...in a moderately growing economy, did it create any new jobs? NO! Sorry, that dog won't hunt! You guys want to point to Reagan...totally different time, totally different circumstances...check on it..he was becoming president after the lost economic decade of the 70's...we aren't ending our recession yet..it will take close to a decade to get things back to right...

Sorry, this isn't a game of cleaver phrases and motto's. It's real life, with real life consequences for what we did under shrub. That one or the other group chooses to ignore the past, and tries to make a picture perfect(to them) 1950's june cleaver moment is horseshit...that's not the world as it exists today...china isn't hiding behind it's wall anymore, india isn't just selling shit for Pier 1 anymore...the Volkswagon isn't the only foreign car being sold here anymore...wake up!
 Spring_weather
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:58:33 PM
I am happy that Barack Obama has been re elected as the president of the united states; he is a good man and he really tries; he hasn't been able to get America out of debt yet, but realisitically that takes alot of time. As the United States is a pretty big place to take care of and worry about..

Obama's hair turned white in the first 4 years that he was in office. You usually turn white haired from alot of worrying; I know the feeling;

I'd rather Obama then Mitt Romney who wanted to raise taxes, and pretty well screw up the country more than it was before..

I didn't trust Mitt Romney when he said he wanted to take America in another direction. His direction would of ruined the country more, I believe!
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:41:55 PM

No gay marriage -you say gay marriage..ok lets compromise..

I say, leave it up to each state to decide


No Abortions- You say

In a perfect world, I'd do away with abortion; but in reality, it should be an individual choice. If you don't like it, you simply don't do it. But what gives you the right to dictate your religious beliefs onto others about this. If they end up going to hell when they die, then its not your business; its the choice they made!


No illegal immigrants,deport all of them no amnesty - you say

I guess you didn't hear John Behner & Marc Rubio's new stance on this!


No gun control laws everyone allowed to own any gun they like based on Constitution- you say?


it doesn't say we can own any gun we like in the USC; go back and read it again. It just says we have a right to bear arms. It is then left up to the judgment of the pple as to how we implement that! In a perfect world, I'd say lets all have whatever guns we want; but in reality, we need strong regulation; and careful vetting of those purchasing fire-arms which should be standardized in all states! Hell, I can be stopped by a cop on a highway for going faster than 55, but i can buy myself an AK47 no questions asked; somethin wrong wit that picture!


Energy drill anywhere everywhere until alternative energy becomes more cost effective- you say?


I guess you never heard of Fracking for natural gas, and the ill effects that it has produced on drinking water; and of course the BP oil spill; all due to careless undertaking of drilling. I have no problem looking for oil/gas as long as the proper regulations are followed in the proper locations. Btw, did you knmow that we have the technology to build car engines that get 80--100 miles/gallon; but that the big oil giants have lobbied to keep these engines from being further developed and commercialized!


Taxes, keep rates low for job creators and employers- you say?


I agree, but then they should be heavily taxed when they take their tax savings and outsource their industry overseas to reduce labor costs, and sell the same product here in the US pricing it as though it was MADE HERE! Can anybody say APPLE!
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 11/8/2012 6:32:24 PM

.compromise as defined by Liberals is doing exactly what they want.


I take it that you never listen to anything said by Republican leaders ever anywhere. "Doing exactly what they want" is the ONLY thing that has been stable in the GOP platform for the last thirty years.

My problem with Obama, has been that he and the Democrats keep rolling over and letting the GOP dictate terms every time, without even trying to use the public airwaves to get popular support (it's usually referred to as the bully pulpit technique).

The reason the US credit rating fell, was because the GOP insisted on "their way or the highway."

The reason that the rich gained the most from the Real Estate fraud, and are contributing ZERO to recovering from it, is because the GOP blocks any attempt to give tax relief to the middle class, unless they are bribed with even more cuts for themselves and the top 1 %.

After Obama was confirmed reelected, Boehner's first announcement was to the effect that he would STILL not even TALK about increasing revenues from the top 1%.

I'm guessing therefore that the above quoted writer thinks that the political symbol of the Liberal party of the U.S. is the Elephant.
 woobytoodsday
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:30:53 PM
Votes almost all counted: President Obama, 50.96%; Willard Romney, 47.31% May he get to live and die with that 47%. He's earned it.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/8/2012 1:50:08 PM

Votes almost all counted: President Obama, 50.96%; Willard Romney, 47.31% May he get to live and die with that 47%. He's earned it.


You get this slightly wrong. We deserve it. The people voted for what they are about to receive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/khaled-meshal-hamas-leader-delivers-defiant-speech-on-anniversary-celebration.html?_r=0

GAZA CITY — Khaled Meshal, the political leader of Hamas, gave a defiant speech on Saturday, vowing to build an Islamic Palestinian state on all the land of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Speaking before tens of thousands of supporters on the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas, Mr. Meshal said the Jewish state would be wiped away through “resistance,” or military action. “The state will come from resistance, not negotiation,” he said. “Liberation first, then statehood.”


The funny thing about leftism is the amount of death that surrounds it but it is always someone else's fault.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-second-term-agenda-will-be-shadowed-by-budget-woes/2012/12/08/ea97e956-4091-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html

Even if President Obama succeeds in getting Republicans to agree to tax hikes on the wealthy as part of a “fiscal cliff” deal, the country’s grim budget realities will still cast a long shadow — limiting his ambitions as he begins plotting a second-term agenda.


Appropriate terminology... Plotting an agenda. Only goes to show that he ran without any plan at all other then taxing 2%. There aren't enough 2% to pay for your fantasies. But you already know that. It's just fun to be join a mob.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-30/national/35584451_1_mass-destruction-south-florida-men-indictment-charges

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-11-23/news/bs-ed-brinkley-morsi-20121123_1_egypt-s-morsi-abu-obeida-senior-hamas-leader

Egypt's Morsi is Hamas' new best friend
No longer coy, Egypt's president picks a side, and it's not ours


http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/blog/morning_call/2012/12/gm-looking-to-reduce-inventory.html

The Wall Street Journal reports the Lordstown, Ohio, assembly plant will be closed for three weeks instead of the planned two-week Christmas shutdown where the Chevrolet Cruze is produced.
A second plant in the U.S. could be idled, according to the report.


http://dailyreckoning.com/the-future-economic-destruction/

All government-directed economic activity grows at the expense of the private sector. And the election suggests that government coercion will drive even more U.S. economic activity in the future. This is a shame, because freely adjusting prices, competition, and innovation elevate living standards. Mandates, price controls, and subsidies — coercive actions — depress living standards. Quality falls. Shortages develop and persist.

Americans are in the midst of a destructive, self-reinforcing political cycle — a cycle that might conclude in a nightmare scenario. A sloppy diagnosis of the financial crisis lies at the root of the destructive cycle.


This is what you voted for. Congrats.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/8/2012 2:44:54 PM

I would take this situation much more willingly...


I agree. You have taken this entire situation willingly and support it willingly and probably with good intentions.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334100/seeing-no-evil-dennis-prager

The first generation of Cuban-Americans had escaped Communist evil. People who know evil are generally conservative. Leftism and liberalism — no longer distinguishable — are rooted in large measure in naïveté and wishful thinking. The beliefs that people are basically good and that evil regimes can virtually always be negotiated with are two such examples.

Also, when you escape a Communist regime, you treasure liberty and you understand that as government and state expand, liberty must contract.


You don't even know that you cause everything that you are against. The most horrible corporate giant that you could ever imagine you are creating. Willingly and lovingly. It won't return the favor.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:38:47 PM

Sooooo, exactly where are you seeing actual evidence ( feelings and emotions are not evidence) of this rush to Communism? I think you're just paranoid.


You have no argument. You can't prove anything I say as wrong. Prove to me that government isn't becoming the largest provider of services on the planet.

Prove to me that isn't a monopoly.

Prove to me that when the means of production come under the control of a central planning authority that isn't communism?

Ignorance is no excuse.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:04:28 PM

Show me when gubment wasn'tthe largest provider of services. Lol!! You obviously can't formulate a coherent thought in your state of rage.


Pre Obama care. Pre Bush increase of social services spending.

All of the money that everyone wants to raise taxes on to pay for... All of that. Would you like a list showing the services the Government (learn how to spell it please) provides? Start here http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml



The Government is in effect a 16 trillion dollar corporation. It has the power of taxation as well as the use of military force both foreign and domestic. Prior to bailouts and Government agencies providing for education, health, welfare, and other services the Government had a higher priority on regulation and control of policy. Now that it has begun taking over industries it will have no alternative but to behave like a corporation in which it will create an environment where competition against the federal corporation is virtually impossible and we will have a massive collapse of privately owned businesses.

No company on the planet can compete against the federal government. This is why it is so dangerous for it to be a provider. It is an unstoppable monopoly. You know... those things liberals claim to be against... You think Rockefeller had power? Nothing to the monster you are feeding.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:14:35 PM

Prove to me that when the means of production come under the control of a central planning authority that isn't communism?


I know that I am pathetically wasting my time trying to ever slightly clarify your frenetic thought processes; but I think you may have heard of nazism & Fascism (not to mention the slews of monarchies that have existed) that all have exerted substantial central control over all aspects of their respective societies; of which none officially qualified as being "communist" in brand.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:25:44 PM
^^^^ So, you tell me to never respond to you and I respected that and then you can't help yourself.

Whatever...

I concede the position on communist. However, whichever version of nightmare government you describe it is the idologies supported by leftists that lead in those directions. The only one excluded is Theocracy.

Having a centrally controlled means of production, and distribution of goods and services is just really a bad idea that comes from the abuse of 'the power of the people'. The dictatorship of the proletariat... Labor unions for government services was the start.

But whatever... dreams of utopia are great...
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