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 Mmhockey68
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Naw man join 24 hour super sport
And left free weights and the goal is lift heavier then the week before. For back arms and chest and shoulders and your be good bro ... Work out each body party once a week and dont for et about legs...... I and abs 4 days a week
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:03:15 AM
In my town you can join many classes with professional trainers for a 20 dollar a year membership and 10 a month, then take all the classes you want plus use the gym through a heath course through a local hospital
Weight training
Aerobics
yoga
Water aerobics
Martial arts/zumba/line dancing and other things vary at different places /times from the center, YMCA and the local hospital gym.

You would think the trainers and instructors wound be mediocre but they aren't.

I need someone to tell me to arch my back and drop my shoulders..
She even knows what if any injuries we have and will show an alternative way of dong things and still get results.
Its always changing also so have more variety than what most "formal" classes offer.

I could not afford reg gym like most attend.
Not having personal attention I would do many things wrong.

I love it.
 Fishing4Marlin
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Posted: 11/27/2012 9:14:52 PM
check out 24 hour fitness membership packages at Costco, like $350 for 2 years, = like under $15 / month. Hire a trainer if you really need one but make sure they know what the heck they are doing. and just use them till you get the hang of it.
 VacationGuy234
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Posted: 12/5/2012 7:22:21 AM
If you go to the gym off hours, take advantage of the big chain gyms that give insanely low rates. They are giving the rate with the bet that the gym will overcrowd and people will not use their membership(a safe bet), you can use this to your advantage.

As far as the personal trainer goes, it might be better and more affordable to join a group class instead of doing one on one training.
 MrPharce
Joined: 10/19/2012
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:39:13 AM
There needs to be a national certifying body for personal trainers. There are too many individuals who call themselves 'personal trainers' who have absolutely no business doing so. It's painful to see some of the comments on here as my degree is in exercise physiology and I do fully believe that most people would be well served to begin their fitness journey by working with a trainer. However, I do understand the reasons for the statements. Were all trainers degreed with certifications through NSCA and ACSM; it would be different. The "I bench a lot so I'm qualified to be a trainer" crap has really killed the industry. It's why I left.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:15:40 AM
Personal trainers and gyms are exercising for the sake of exercising. Kind of reality TV for armchair athletes.

Instead of going to a gym to cycle for several hours or run on a treadmill in a roomful of smelly people, go out for a proper bike ride or a run. It's much more fun.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:39:47 PM
Why on earth would I want to be at your gym? I already stated that gyms are for people who exercise for the sake of exercising.

You'd have to pay me to go to one, it's not me complaining about the cost of subscribing to a gym.
 activemelaney
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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:04:16 PM

Skyr

We're all quite happy that you are not at our gym. Please keep you 'great' attitude outside away from real people


True. No trolls allowed in the gym.
 MrPharce
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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:17:51 PM

Personal trainers and gyms are exercising for the sake of exercising. Kind of reality TV for armchair athletes.

Instead of going to a gym to cycle for several hours or run on a treadmill in a roomful of smelly people, go out for a proper bike ride or a run. It's much more fun.


So you've decided that everyone who does something you don't like to do is stupid. What a worldly, open minded attitude.

So just run or bike, huh? No thought to strength or flexibility development?

I would submit that if you are going to insult a profession you should at least have enough knowledge on the subject to do so.

Ironic also that remarks about skinny legs appear in this thread where heavy squats are useless and dangerous and muscular size is all genetic appear in a different thread...
 MrPharce
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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:14:42 PM
Basically you're saying that a movement which has been shown repeatedly to not only increase leg mass better than pretty much any other exercise but also increases real world performance on the field and in life is useless but running and biking is the bees knees, right?

Please help me to understand what you're saying. You honestly believe that running and biking is better for quad, hamstring, and calf development than heavy load bearing work like the barbell squat?

Pretty much every college and professional strength and conditioning coach would have fun with that statement.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:07:12 PM

So you've decided that everyone who does something you don't like to do is stupid. What a worldly, open minded attitude.


I think that the concept of a gym is stupid. Smart people do stupid things all time. Poor comprehension skills is correlated with stupidity though.


So just run or bike, huh? No thought to strength or flexibility development?


I was advocating that people do physical activity for the enjoyment of the activity as a primary goal, not for the sake of exercise. The whole reason many people fail to keep fit is because they exercise with the primary goal of exercise.


True. No trolls allowed in the gym.


Oh puhleez...do you call everyone a troll because they express a different opinion to you? What an insular world.
 MrPharce
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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:10:53 PM
First, I wasn't referring to any of your statements as ironic, though your opinions on exercise often go against science. That statement was referring to a different poster...to which I would pose the question. You say it's better to do things you enjoy...how about the thousands who ENJOY going to the gym and exercising?


Heavy squats, in addition to many wonderful hormonal changes, increased bone density, etc, has been shown to increase sprint speed as well as leaping ability.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22310512

http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Triplett_Travis_2009_Relationship_Between_Maximal.pdf

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/squat.html

Increasing one's ability to run and jump isn't 'real world'?
 MrPharce
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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:25:56 PM
let me clarify the first statement...yes, you stating that size is all genetic (presumably as a reason people shouldn't try to use strength training to, well, get stronger since according to you only genetic freaks can add significant muscle, which is untrue, btw) and then stating that outdoor activities develop leg musculature is in fact ironic.

As to your statement that not everyone wants to get bigger. That's true. However, most guys who I've met in my life do. I know there are some die hard runners who carry being uber skinny like a badge of honor. I do get the feeling that you have some pretty set ideas about fitness which do not involve any kind of significant strength training and, according to your ideology, anyone who does stress the importance of strength training, especially that under high loads, is a mouth breathing meathead. I would be happy to put you in touch with a great many PhD's who would counter that statement.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:39:12 PM
You say it's better to do things you enjoy...how about the thousands who ENJOY going to the gym and exercising?


If you enjoy going to the gym, good for you. I can't imagine why anyone would want to use an exercise machine- a treadmill or cycle trainer or rowing machine, as opposed to doing the real thing. If you want to lift weights, do something useful like rearrange your furniture.

Many people see exercise as a chore, it's the reason why there are so many unused gym memberships. These are the people who exercise for the sake of exercise.

In terms of this thread, which is about the cost of going to a gym...if it was so enjoyable, why would the thread author be reluctant to part with a few measly hundred bucks a year to do something they love doing? Many of us spend thousands on cycling and other sports.
 billingsmason
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:24:37 AM
Hard for me to understand and have empathy for people who aren't motivated.

As for the gym cost- all you need is a piece of floor to get in great shape. If the cost really was the defining factor..... the op would just get his face on the deck.

Then it turns into a rant on the cost of a personal trainer. The trainers I know, show how to use the equipment, which lifts and moves to use to work very specific parts of the body, and help set up a routine and regimen to achieve the results desired. Diet, exercise and lifestyle changes....

All this means nothing if the trainee has no motivation.
If the motivation is there, there are free resources on the net to show just about any exercise out there, free dieting advice, major lifestyle changes.... you name it.


Moving my furniture around isn't going to help me prepare for carrying a 600lb slab of granite into a kitchen, straight arming buckets of mud up the scaffold, moving the mixer or any of the other things I do on a daily basis. Also not going to challenge my body enough to bring changes that I'd like to see.

I am not motivated by someone thinking of me as a meathead, mental midget, or by stagnant generalized opinions of things that are tried and test true. My motivation comes from personal desire, either for the result, the satisfaction of knowing I can do it, or the fact that I know which way I'm headed..... forward.
Motivation check aye aye sir
 allthegoodnamesrtaken1
Joined: 1/12/2012
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:44:21 AM
Rockinrollman -

Yes, $60 a month does seem a bit pricey. The personal training - Youtube has videos that can walk you through just about anything you can think of - - Free. My own gym membership is $13 a month and a damn good gym. No frills, nor do I need them. For those that do, that's perfectly acceptable.


AA -

I just renewed my membership and it was $517.70/ per year

Then


No one needs a gym or a trainer, as they are luxuries not necessities

Apparently A luxury you deem necessary.


Mr. Pharce -

There needs to be a national certifying body for personal trainers. There are too many individuals who call themselves 'personal trainers' who have absolutely no business doing so

This


Skyr -

Personal trainers and gyms are exercising for the sake of exercising

Subjective statement. My reasons for exercising at the gym say as much.


I think that the concept of a gym is stupid. Smart people do stupid things all time. Poor comprehension skills is correlated with stupidity though

Smart people do indeed do stupid things, giving anytime to this silly thread is probably one of those examples on my part.


AA-

Doing heavy squats increases your ability to do heavy squats, it in no way increase "real world" performance as I am pretty sure that is not even a measurable thing and something you just made up

"Pretty sure" doesn't cut it. Information backing pharce's statement is extraordinary. Google is your friend.


Skyr -

If you want to lift weights, do something useful like rearrange your furniture

I can't stop laughing long enough to post anything appropriate here. Google is your friend Skyr. I can also suggest some fantastic books to start with.



In terms of this thread, which is about the cost of going to a gym...if it was so enjoyable, why would the thread author be reluctant to part with a few measly hundred bucks a year to do something they love doing?

Good question, ask him


AA-

understand that these activities do increase your strength and gym training for the average person is not going to make any difference with regards to the sport they are participating it

Prove it. Cite this statement from a credible source


Elforester -

Nobody enjoys resistance weight training. NOBODY!

I do.


Billingsmason -

If the motivation is there, there are free resources on the net to show just about any exercise out there, free dieting advice, major lifestyle changes.... you name it.

This



Moving my furniture around isn't going to help me prepare for carrying a 600lb slab of granite into a kitchen....Also not going to challenge my body enough to bring changes that I'd like to see

This



I am not motivated by someone thinking of me as a meathead, mental midget, or by stagnant generalized opinions of things that are tried and test true.

This

 Skyr
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:53:38 PM

Subjective statement. My reasons for exercising at the gym say as much.


Sure, it is my subjective opinion that doing the real thing is more fun. I've never claimed otherwise. I despise reality TV, but others think it's the best thing since the electric toothbrush.

There are people who buy gym memberships not because they enjoy going to the gym, but because they see exercise as a primary goal, which is why they don't keep up their membership.
 allthegoodnamesrtaken1
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:09:44 PM
^
1. Again - A luxury you deemed necessary. Nothing else needs to be said here.

2.
I checked Google and no one can tell me what is meant by "real world" performance

Google "Real world performance in strength training" I find at least 5 on the first page, why can't you?
Real world performance = Functional carryover.


it seems to be something some one just made up to prove a non-existent point

See above


Though saying that his statement is "extraordinary" is laughable at best, as I am pretty sure if you presented an argument with regards to fitness and used the phrase "Real World Performance" you would get laughed out of the room

The laughter comes when trying to explain you are not familiar with the term Real World Performance and it being
synonymous with Functional carryover; all while trying to debate strength training and overall fitness.

I would be still for a moment, take some time to research the topic completely before posting. Try "Real world performance in strength training" Or "Heavy squats for real world performance"

3. Again - Prove and cite your earlier statement. Nothing more is being debated here.


Skyr -

Would you mind picking up my love seat say, ah, 8-10 reps? How about moving my bookcase across the carpet?
Lift a load of these magazines to build your delts up?

This thread .....shakes head
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/9/2012 9:25:32 PM

Would you mind picking up my love seat say, ah, 8-10 reps? How about moving my bookcase across the carpet?
Lift a load of these magazines to build your delts up?


I'd rather ride my bike, she doesn't complain.
 Fishing4Marlin
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Posted: 12/10/2012 2:38:07 AM
Mrpharce said:
Heavy squats, in addition to many wonderful hormonal changes, increased bone density, etc, has been shown to increase sprint speed as well as leaping ability.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22310512

http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Triplett_Travis_2009_Relationship_Between_Maximal.pdf

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/squat.html

Increasing one's ability to run and jump isn't 'real world'?


You beat me to it... the above poster, no offense, is seriously showing some major, major ignorance if you think weight training doesn't transfer to real world athleticism, please find me an Olympic track and field athlete who doesn't weight train.... please? I'd even go so far as to say the majority of bicyclists and marathoners weight train.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/10/2012 2:54:09 AM

I'd even go so far as to say the majority of bicyclists and marathoners weight train.


Not this one.

As for generalising, you've come to a conclusion based on three articles, only two of which are studies of sorts (with very low numbers), and a number of confounding variables, and applied to different sports.
 Fishing4Marlin
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Posted: 12/10/2012 2:57:02 AM
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Sure, it is my subjective opinion that doing the real thing is more fun.


I love the gym and weight training, I look forward to it every day. However, I also trail/mountain run/hike, beach run, fast pack trails with a weighted military pack, do regular road work (blacktop running), I go to a hellacious bootcamp that has us running steep hills, squatting and pressing heavy rocks and carrying them up hills. I generally hate all running to be honest, but I do it to be a better athlete and in better condition. Biking and running are great, but not everyone shares the same passions for the same things, to talk smack about one form of training is extremely naieve. The body needs change to adapt and progress, we plateau much easier if we don't change up our regimine.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/10/2012 3:09:50 AM

I generally hate all running to be honest, but I do it to be a better athlete and in better condition. Biking and running are great, but not everyone shares the same passions for the same things, to talk smack about one form of training is extremely naieve


That was my point. I don't talk about it as training. I talk about an activity for it's enjoyment value, with exercise as a byproduct. That applies to most non-competitive athletes, who are the ones most likely to join gyms and then see it as a chore in the quest for 'fitness'. Half the people I work with have gym memberships they don't use, and they consider a 10min jog to be exercise.

If you're an elite athlete, sure, training is part of competition. The fact you state you hate running but do it for 'training' proves that you are doing it as a means to an end, rather than the fun of the activity itself.

I was a nationally ranked mountainbiker, a world champion unicyclist, and hold a couple of world records. Could I be a better unicyclist if I go the gym? Maybe (although probably not), but it's not what I want out of my sport.
 Fishing4Marlin
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Posted: 12/10/2012 3:13:16 AM
skyr said:
Not this one.

referring to me saying the majority of bicyclists weight train.


skyr, I understand that you don't weight train... that is your prerogative, and if you enjoy training the way you do, more power to you, but in order for you not to completely influence a new person interested in cycling, let me counter with a group of cyclists who do weight train...specifically ... squats.

The United States Olympic Cycling team;
http://www.usacycling.org/usa-cycling-announces-2012-olympic-team.htm

Here is a link to the top guys training schedule, which includes squats;
http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Improve-Your-Sprint-Finish-With-a-Strength-Workout

Again, I agree do whatever you want to do you'll always be most successful if you do what you love, even if you're a masochist like me.
 Skyr
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Posted: 12/10/2012 3:52:26 AM
You're misrespresenting everything I've said. I was talking about the artificial environment represented by gyms, and the motivations of non-elite athletes.

If you are 'training' as an elite athlete, you do what it takes to be competitive. I started running to lose weight for my sport, although I actually liked running (but it wasn't my focus).

There may or may not be any evidence base behind what many athletes do. Either way, I'm not sure you can generalise Tejay Van Garderen to the rest of US cycling team. And I'd postulate that the gym workout makes up minute portion of his training schedule.



but in order for you not to completely influence a new person interested in cycling, let me counter with a group of cyclists who do weight train...specifically ... squats.


I can't think of anything more off-putting to a novice cyclist then advising them to go to the gym in order to become a better cyclist. They should just get out there and ride! Enjoy the speed and exhileration, not coop themselves inside doing squats.
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