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 lyingcheat
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Any ideas please.

All religions are based on myth and superstition.
Think for yourself. Avoid dogma. Ask for evidence. Verify the sources.

PS; There are no god things.
 CallmeKen
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 2/13/2013 6:41:19 AM
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Religion is religion. Philosophy is philosophy. There is a difference.

That said, I don't believe that any one religion is the final great solution. Not even atheism. Yeah, I know, their bald hair color has the radio turned off.

Find your own spirituality. Go to Mass. Go to church service. Go to a temple and a mosque during prayer. Go to a revival meeting. Go to an athiest meeting. Find your own path. Don't just let Richard Dawkins or some old guy in Rome with a funny hat tell you what to believe.
 timeforall
Joined: 8/26/2012
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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:34:00 AM
Are you serious? How is any religion deemed superior to another? Although some are less violent and more equitable in their approaches to people.
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:19:08 AM
That claim smells of the supremacism and intolerance that's inherent in Islam. The Muslims who take certain parts of the Koran and the hadiths literally believe it's their sacred duty to impose shariah on the whole world, by force if necessary. They may be only a small fraction of the world's Muslims, but that's cold comfort to the people they are trying to slaughter or subjugate. These fanatics think Jews and others they have an irrational hatred of have no right to live. Not too different from the Nazis, and with few exceptions the rest of Muslims, just as happened in Germany, refuse to denounce or resist the savages.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:26:24 AM

Just read an article that stated since Islam was the finial great religion it was superior in every respect to Judaism and Christianity. Each religion was from god but each one become progressively higher and better.

Any ideas please.


I actually can not entirely disagree with this. With the exception of superior meaning progressively higher and better. Superior in form of anchoring the beliefs and minds of the believers... yes.

It is becoming rather clear that the monotheistic religions have reached a time of crisis in survival. I really do think there are three overarching world ideologies and they will conflict with each other and whichever ideology happens to come out as the dominating view will be finally resolved through a conflict with Islam. Islam is an all encompassing world view.

Judaism is and has always been a smaller although highly idealized religion. It is one brutal attack away from being virtually decimated in Israel. Christianity with its effective head in the Catholic church and with the Pope stepping down and comparing that with the Prophecy of the Popes you can only conclude that at least the Catholic Church itself considers this time their end.

That leaves Islam. A whole lot of very firmly committed believers. No discernible leadership head. And a definitive declaration of requirements of life wrapped into the interpretations of Mohammad.

The other competing ideologies are collectivism and self determination. The weakest of these two is the idea of self determination / individualism. The way things are going this governing world view is also losing to collectivism.

That leaves essentially Atheistic Collectivism vs Islams Rule of God.

Islam won't likely win. It is definitely the underdog.

So, that's my idea. It isn't about being right, better, or some concept of higher. It is power and ruling authority over the governments of the world.
 justlookingvt
Joined: 5/8/2010
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Posted: 2/13/2013 11:52:42 AM


article that stated since Islam was the finial great religion it was superior in every respect


The superiority argument.... common in people and ideologies looking to stoop lower than ever before. Hail Islam! The Third Reichligion, The final solution.

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 timeforall
Joined: 8/26/2012
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:57:53 PM

No disrespect ment but if you look at the OT in the bible you will see things like:

He who breaks the sabbeth kill him,
It is okey to keep slaves as long as they are strangers and pagens
Any child who disrespects its parents kill it


I have never heard any of this before. Can somebody tell me exactly where in the Old Testament this is located so I can see if it is true. Otherwise, its very difficult to believe. I mean, I know the god of the old testament had an anger problem, but never heard this stuff.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:44:33 PM
^^^
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20%3A9&version=KJV


Leviticus 20:9 (King James Version)
Leviticus 20:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.


Well, that entire section gets kind of out of hand
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20&version=KJV

There is a reason why it should never be made actual law. We would all end up being killed for something.
 timeforall
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:58:04 PM
^^^^^ Wow. Also doesn't this stuff about statues violate the idol worship clause? Anyway, this garbage is why I completely reject organized religion and religion's concept of God.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:46:05 PM

^^^^^ Wow. Also doesn't this stuff about statues violate the idol worship clause? Anyway, this garbage is why I completely reject organized religion and religion's concept of God.


Well, I don't know. Maybe you aren't looking at it with the right perspective. Maybe look at it from the point of view that these things (especially the thinks listed in the Leviticus) were necessary at that time to codify because they were actually prelevent and common problems in the society at that time.

If you look at the list and take it from the point of view that the behavior described was so common that it justified having to define them as essentially seriously "Don't do this or your ass is going to die" or you are forbidden from having children.

Read the list again with your modern view of the world. These things are not so common now (with the exception of adultery) and where the do occur they are pretty seriously considered depraved and in many cases criminal. Well, maybe e this is where the first blocks for defining those standards came from. You can look at the wording now and be all up in arms about the declarations of death but take away the modern police state cities and law and order we have today and turn it into the afghan deserts and perspective changes.

http://www.examiner.com/article/afghan-pedophilia-a-way-of-life-say-u-s-soldiers-and-journalists

So, I think it is absolutely misplaced to view these things as a "lesser" morality basis then our modern view. It's like saying that water has no relation to hydrogen gas. It's a component of it and part of the make up of the modern world. Even if it seems unpleasant. At what point did anyone ever suggest that humans past be pretty?
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/13/2013 4:35:21 PM
We can't be sure that even at the time of Leviticus, most Jews took those punishments literally. They might have been meant instead as very strong moral sanctions. Much later, in 18th century England, there were lots of crimes for which the law called for the death penalty, but in practice it was applied mostly for murder. And even then, there were cases where people were found guilty of murder and sentenced to death, but never executed.

One famous one involved two shipwrecked crewmen stranded on a lifeboat, who out of a desperate need to survive killed the cabin boy and partly ate him. He was even nearer to death than they were, and surely would not have lived anyway. But under English law the men had nevertheless committed murder. In view of the unusual circumstances, the Queen waited until they had spent some time in prison and the incident was no longer in the public eye, and then pardoned them. The intent was to keep the strong legal sanction against murder intact by trying and sentencing the men to death, and yet spare their lives in the name of fairness. Could the ancient Jews have had something similar in mind?
 mark777771
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Posted: 2/13/2013 5:54:02 PM
Only good word in the subject title is "final"
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:48:06 PM
^^^It's like magic... How did you do that?

{edit} Never mind... that was the strangest thing. The text of only your second sentence was upside down in my browser... It went right side up when I commented...

It was magic. I saw it.

 Stray__Cat
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Posted: 2/13/2013 10:18:11 PM
Islam had both Judaism and Christianity to crib from.
That is why it seems to have the best of both.
Now if it's followers could only live up to it's wisdom.
 nipoleon
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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:29:05 AM
Just read an article that stated since Islam was the finial great religion it was superior in every respect to Judaism and Christianity.

I don't know what article you read, but this attitude is typical of the egotistic thinking that goes with most modern religious adherents.
The whole idea that any particular religion is better or higher than any other is stupid and pure vanity.

Someday all religions are going to have to come to grips with fact of science.
They can't simply continue to chalk up everything they don't understand to a miracle of God and leave it at that.

If a Christian in Los Angeles and a Jew in Tel Aviv, and a Muslim in Medina all conduct the same chemistry experiment, they will all get the same results ! There is no Jewish chemistry, or Christian mathematics, or Muslim biology.

If you want to believe that God created the universe.... fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
Then you have to concede that the study of the universe is also the study of God and knowledge of the universe is also knowledge of God too.
What more sincere form of worship could there possibly be ?
 CureCurious
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:10:30 AM
Well, contrary to popular presumption, Islam isn't really a new, separate and exclusive religion as such. It is basically an affirmation of the message of the Gospel and Torah and the messages that the previous prophets had come to convey to their people. The Quran speaks very respectfully of the "People of the Book" and gives glad tidings to the devout Christians and Jews and Sabians and basically anyone who believes in one God and Judgment day and who do good deeds. However, the previous religions were tampered with which shrouded a lot of the good message... such as the concept of trinity etc. The Quran is better to follow because it's got a lot more clarity and not tampered with. But if you follow Christianity or Judaism, or monotheism with good intention and apply critical thinking then yes why not. God hears and sees us all. It doesn't matter what you choose to ascribe yourself as... it's your set of beliefs and values... you may be muslim and not even know it.
 justlookingvt
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:15:41 AM


you may be muslim and not even know it.


That's a relief for the good people... Tag you're it.. muslim!!

I had no idea there were so many muslim Atheists... my family is going to be shocked to learn they are a bunch of muslims.
 CureCurious
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:57:34 AM
^^ The word Muslim means one who surrenders (to God). It comes from word taslim (submission). Islam is also derives from taslim, and salam (peace). So unfortunately atheists, since they do not submit to God are not Muslims. :)

So, relax JL.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/14/2013 7:11:31 AM

you may be muslim and not even know it.

Your ancestors may be Mormons and not even know it.


For Mormons, baptizing the dead solves a big theological problem: How do billions of people who never had the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ – including those who lived before Jesus walked the earth – receive salvation? By baptizing the dead, a practice known as posthumous proxy baptism, Mormons believe they are giving every person who ever lived the chance at everlasting life. That includes Muslims, Hindus, atheists, pagans, whoever.

“Mormons believe that there is a place the dead go where they are in ‘spirit prison’ and where they have the chance to accept the Christian baptism,” says Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar at Columbia University. “But it’s a duty to actually perform Christian ordinance of baptism, so Mormons seek out every last person who ever lived and baptize them.”

Many Mormons are proud of the fact that they attempt to make their faith universal through baptizing the dead. “Historically, Christians have been exclusive,” says Terryl Givens, an expert on Mormonism at the University of Richmond. “Catholics have taught that only Catholics are saved, and evangelicals say only if you confess according to their tradition. Mormons say, ‘No, salvation is open to all people.’”

“In that sense Mormonism is the most nonexclusive religion in the Christian world,” Givens says.

The LDS says it does not know how many deceased have been baptized. Experts say the number is in the millions.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/16/explainer-how-and-why-do-mormons-baptize-the-dead/



Baptism for the dead is best known as a doctrine of the Latter Day Saint movement, where it has been practiced since 1840. It is currently practiced by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), where it is performed only in dedicated temples, as well as in several (but not all) other current factions of the Latter-day Saint movement. Those who practice this rite view baptism as an indispensable requirement to enter the Kingdom of God, and thus practice Baptism for the Dead to give those who have died without ever having had the opportunity to receive baptism the opportunity to receive it by proxy. The LDS Church teaches that those who have died may choose to accept or reject the baptism done on their behalf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead
 justlookingvt
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Posted: 2/14/2013 7:12:26 AM


So unfortunately atheists, since they do not submit to God are not Muslims.


good news :-)... very relaxing indeed. :-)

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 Dokkodo
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:48:34 AM
By the logic that every time you add more superstitious nonsense to the original Abrahamic nonsense you get progressively higher and better...then Islam is not the winner, the Mormons are.

Congratulations Mormons, your con-man reading golden plates is the superior idiocy!
final great monotheistic religion
Posted: 2/14/2013 3:57:16 PM
Modern humanist, anti-religion, secular mythologies (educational) -

Conan the Barbarian (the older one)
The Invasion of the Body Snatchers
the Chronicles of Riddick
the Borg of Star Trek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93VJ1nzCECo&list=PL8148B20DF1296BC8&index=20
 Primesuperman
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:02:01 PM
Islam is the final monotheistic religion.

Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of "wholeness, safeness and peace." Islam in a religious context means "surrender, submission, obedience, sincerity and being at peace." The word "Muslim", is the active participle of the same verb of which Islam is the infinitive. The word Muslim as an adherent believer demonstrates submission to God by serving God, following His commands, and rejecting polytheism. Hence a complete rejection of polytheism which is demonstrated by the strict code of not depicting/idolizing anything Heavenly or of any Prophets and Messengers (that includes Jesus upon him be peace). As monotheism is concerned Abraham upon him be peace, is known as the Father of Monotheism.

In the Noble Qur'an [3:67]
"Abraham was not a Jew, nor a Christian; but he was one pure of faith and Muslim (who submitted to God with a sound heart). He was never of those who associate partners with God."

So therefore Jewish claimed that their religion was the true religion and, therefore, Abraham, upon him be peace, was considered to be a Jew, whereas the Christians claimed that their religion was the true one and, therefore, Abraham, upon him be peace, was considered to be a Christian. Naturally this is impossible. While they could not agree on several matters contained by their Books and matters like that of Jesus, upon him be peace, it was completely senseless that they would make claims and dispute about matters about which they had no knowledge. It is impossible that Abraham, upon him be peace, should be a Jew or a Christian, because both the Torah and Gospel were revealed centuries after Abraham, upon him be peace. Historically, Judaism and Christianity are the names given to the religions revealed to Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them, respectively by either their followers or opponents centuries later. So, Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian but a Muslim, one who submitted to God wholly or who followed the active participle of the same verb of which Islam is the infinitive – the Religion (Deen) of submission to God (Monotheism : Islam)
 Post_PrepatoryLIFER
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:41:33 PM

All religions are based on myth and superstition.
Think for yourself. Avoid dogma. Ask for evidence. Verify the sources.

PS; There are no god things.


You are referencing Wikipedia and other sources that claim to be Studiers (vastly different from those who live and practice the Faith and daily study it by the way) definition of Baptism of the Dead over going to the actual Source?

I find that very odd.

http://www.lds.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead
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Posted: 10/27/2013 12:25:29 AM
This list was too incomplete...


Modern humanist, anti-religion, secular mythologies (educational) -

Conan the Barbarian (the older one)
The Invasion of the Body Snatchers
the Chronicles of Riddick
the Borg of Star Trek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93VJ1nzCECo&list=PL8148B20DF1296BC8&index=20


The Truman Show
The Matrix
I, Robot
Battlefield Earth
Skyline
V for Vendetta
Oblivion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJCrMDl-H4

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8148B20DF1296BC8
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