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 OregonAlphadog
Joined: 9/16/2012
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I've been Pagan most of my life.... I'm a published author of Pagan writings... and celebrate Pagan holidays! Why is this not a choice for me in the list?

While I can understand that this technically isn't a structured Religion, it is by far the most comprehensive label for my belief system.... (and many many others)...

If the word provides controversial problems due to its suggested nature..... look up the origins of the word, "Pagani".... Roman, meaning, "outside the Kingdom"..... meaning the farmers, land workers and laborers that existed outside the palace walls but provided for the Kingdom community!

The word Pagan comes from this philosophy, as the Christians came and enforced their ways upon the land owners, the Christian leaders deemed those outside the "Christian Kingdom"...... "Pagans"....... well guess what? That's me!

Not only am I Scottish and Swedish, but I don't follow the Christian ways, nor do I follow the Hebraic ways of the "One God"....... Please..... please, please.... provide me with a choice that doesn't chop me down to an "Atheist" or "non-Religion"...... these aren't enough :)

Just saying.... no offense meant and I couldn't find anywhere else to put this! :)

Thank you...
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 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 4/3/2013 7:42:13 PM

Pagan should be a religious choice! =)

Your beef is with Emperor Constantine, as he is pretty much the douche that tried to bury your religion and almost did and because of said actions, your choice gets lumped in with the others.

Just another almost religion that was crushed by the catholics.
 OregonAlphadog
Joined: 9/16/2012
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Posted: 4/3/2013 7:43:39 PM
Got that right..... I just want it to be a choice in the listing :) Nothing complicated.... *chuckles*
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 4/3/2013 7:49:28 PM


Just another almost religion that was crushed by the catholics.


The english did fair bit of damage, in relatively modern history as well. Also various christian movements joined together in nth america and nearly obliterated pagan civilisations...
 OregonAlphadog
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Posted: 4/3/2013 7:50:24 PM
Okay, so apparently we have the intelligent support for the listing...... is it that difficult for technical support?
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 4/3/2013 8:14:03 PM
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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 4/3/2013 10:47:43 PM

Not only am I Scottish and Swedish, but I don't follow the Christian ways,


Why don't you try explaining just want your beliefs are about. Just being "pagan" is very generic!
A norse pagan is very different from a Greek/Roman pagan
If you believe in the so-called "gods" of the elements then you might be a "pagan" of sorts
If you believe in worshipping natural things then you may be a wiccan or something similar

Keep in mind that most of the phenomenon that pple worshipped (which was ascribed to the will of the "gods") have now been explained scientifically! Which makes it now very peculiarly odd-ballish to see someone who believes or worships in a God of thunder, God of fertility, or God of the seas, etc. Its kinda akin to finding somebody in the country or the woods who doesn't believe that flight by man is possible!

Thus it wasn't Christianity that was forced upon "pagans", for nthey were the last hold out due to being the least educated; it was the emerging absurdity in that concept that eventually extinguished it not only in Europe but virtually elsewhere.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 4/4/2013 12:54:48 AM
1. Pagan isn't a religion, it's a general category term, as you say, created by the Romans to declare you weren't one of them. Much like they referred to all non-Latin speaking peoples as Barbarians.

2. It already IS a choice you can select here, based on that actual definition of the word pagan:

you select "other."
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 4/4/2013 1:01:21 AM

Why don't you try explaining just want your beliefs are about. Just being "pagan" is very generic!


I read profiles on here and most list their religion as "christian'.. Thats a very 'generic' answer..

A Jehova's Witness is very different to an anglican. But they both fall under 'Christianity"


If you believe in worshipping natural things then you may be a wiccan or something similar


Whats something similar? you do know that "wiccan"is just a bunch of people rebelling from their christian upbringing?

Something barely a half a century old that borrows various things from non monotheist religions(fancy word for pagan)...
Pagan should be a religious choice! =)
Posted: 4/4/2013 1:30:29 PM
And so, here we again have an issue which is of consequence, but we won't really know or want to know, what religion even is, in one instance or application, or the other, though such things are so important...you'd think that we'd want to really understand the terms or concepts involved.

However, I don't think it's likely that any single's site or service will ever get something like the classification of religion thing correct anyway.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Posted: 4/4/2013 9:10:19 PM
POF shouldn't give choices, but an empty box to fill in if so desired. Problem solved for the profiling and a help to the members (as I would weed out anything spiritual.) JMO

I have non religious as my choice, it weeds out those looking for a religious person.
Pagan should be a religious choice! =)
Posted: 4/5/2013 4:08:09 AM
^ heh, but that's still an issue, not because of pof, but because of members - so many who're religious think of themselves as non-religious, and list themselves as such. arg! to me that's as bad as not being honest with you're single or married status, having only 30 year old pics, or saying you're 50 lbs when you're 350 lbs, etc.
 CallmeKen
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 4/5/2013 4:52:09 AM

I'm a published author of Pagan writings

Writing Harry Potter fanfic porn on the Internet does not count as publishing Pagan writings.


and celebrate Pagan holidays!

I hope to Pan that you don't mean that you dress up for Halloween.


Why is this not a choice for me in the list?

There is. It's called "other". I guarantee that, whether or not you list yourself as Pagan or Seventh Day Aventist or that you believe that the universe was sneezed out of the left nostril of the great, green Arklesneizure, it does not affect your matching ability one bit.

Your profile screams, "I'm just here to waste my time. Not really looking for a date." Why don't you stop trying to crusade against POF and manifest the opportunity to present yourself as more than just an alcoholic player?

Profile reviews, two floors up.
Pagan should be a religious choice! =)
Posted: 4/5/2013 5:01:53 AM
arg! your, not you're ^ in my post.
 Wolfpath
Joined: 1/24/2012
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Posted: 4/6/2013 12:26:01 AM
Id rather it wasn't a choice . . theres enough fluff brained people who have distorted the old traditions and ideologies of paganism into something that is NOT a descendant of "pagan" traditions, but a facsimile of Christianity.
Christianity is fine by me . . but not my path.
I have found reflections and faces of the Creator in all walks.
To behave as one from a group of people you claim to be superior than is to err upon your own weakness.
If you are a fluffy, vegetarian, "everything is light" and everyone should be happy sort . . . your not a pagan, your an escaped hippie reeling from LSD induced transcendental hallucinations rebelling from the religion of your parents.
In short, your Poseurs.
The esoterica that has invaded what we know of ancient traditional ideas of deity are lies and falsehoods, so what gods do you really follow?

Herne? Zeus? Cerydwynn? Mithras? Kali-ma? Epona? Loki? Shiva? White Buffalo Woman? Quetzalcoatl? Sunboy?

All names from through the ages of what varying cultures have understood to be divinity. All moderated with the stroke of a scribes stylus, and supported by the destruction of other writings.

What god or higher spiritual path do you claim to follow, to have revealed insight into?
Are you truly wise, intuitive, or emotional and delusional?
Do you know better the voice of God that lies within each person, or do you believe that salvation is only possible through some interpretation of what you THINK god should look like?

And for Christians . . you should really pay attention to your bible . . .
Ba'al Sinai (god of the mountain named Sinai - where moses received the ten commandments) El Shaddai, Elohim, Jehovah Jireh, Yahweh . . . . all names for the God(s) of the Hebrews. Each name denotes a different god, or at the very least a different aspect of god . . . from which "biblical" Christianity claims to draw its truth from. Nos so different from the stories of the world, and the human attempts to understand the reflected nature of creation and divinity.
The Hebrews will tell you this, this information is still part of Jewish Theology and studies, yet you deny it, claiming that (even though the Jews wrote the book?) they don't know what it says . . . hhrrmmm . . . .

Let us not forget Ashtoreth also referred to at times as Asherah, Gods counterpart found in the old testament, in the story of when the Hebrews tore down the temple to their goddess . . . why? Because the male god was jealous and demanded sole loyalty. They razed the temple, killed the priests, stole the golden reliquaries and ornamentation and left no two stones one upon the other. Did she snub him in the celestial bed? Of was he jealous because of some obscure godly reason?

You cannot claim historical Basis, and pick and chose only the shards that support your story.

The names and faces of GOD/DESS are many of one . . . and I rather think That God is sick of us petty humans limiting the scope of Divinity, while murdering and killing to prove ourselves "right" . . .

How long before we listen to the voice of God From within and seek understanding from within, rather than killing, murdering, ridiculing and degrading those whose personal understanding is a shade of gray different than our own?
 SpringMataLeao
Joined: 10/12/2012
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Posted: 4/11/2013 2:22:40 PM
Religion is false anyway. A damn good business but not an ounce of truth in any of it.
 monocryl
Joined: 3/4/2013
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Posted: 4/12/2013 12:08:34 AM

arg! your, not you're ^ in my post.


How about worshippers of English grammar? I say that should be a religion, and a persecuted minority one at that.

I'll go so far as to say they should teach this religion in public schools.
 Space_Weaver
Joined: 11/27/2012
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Posted: 4/12/2013 12:20:52 AM
In the dark ages of old, Paganism was religion. Most people don't acknowledge this, but most holidays noted today were derived from the Pagans and are just days apart from the first celebrations of.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 4/14/2013 6:33:13 AM

I've been Pagan most of my life.... I'm a published author of Pagan writings... and celebrate Pagan holidays! Why is this not a choice for me in the list?
Government forms can't list every religion. There are thousands. The form would be 6 pages long. Anything not listed, is covered by "Other", just like Jedi, even though enough people answered "Jedi" on government forms, that it qualified as an officially recognised religion.

I want to see when "Sith" gets called a religion.
 csamcsog
Joined: 4/8/2013
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Posted: 4/14/2013 7:56:59 AM
You should follow your heart, OP, and that's the best you can do. And you are doing that already.

How to choose a religion from a list that lacks your faith? I have exactly the same problem on dating sites, choosing my size / shape. I am fat. Incredibly fat. I am obese. My body mass index is astronomical. Yet there is Big and Huge, or Little extra. I am neither. I am effing fat, every other descriptor is a hugely inadequate approximation.

Or my personality. Am I book-douche? Or film buff? or bicycle-seat smeller? Yet I have to choose one. And I am forced, I can't leave the question unanswered.

Do I have multi-coloured hair, or salt and pepper, or am I bald, not shaven?

Do I have children? Who the hell knows?

Do I have a car? No. Whew, that was an easy one.

For a select few users it poses an unresolvable problem to answer the question, "Are you Male/Female?" And you thought you had problems with your religion. These hapless souls are on a dating site, trying to choose a mating partner, and they have such insurmountable problemns IN THE FIRST STEP off the bat, which asks them to specify their gender. Once they get through that hurdle, though, they are in clear sailing, thanks Pagan.

Where do you live? I seen people put things like "Ontario/Florida/Israel", and they are truly tri-residential. But how do they succeed to put that on a site which allows one, that is count again, one postal code, and it requires a postal code?

I feel your pain. I want to be god, I truly do, I want to do the right thing and follow my heart. I already worship myself, and I have a few people I have my eyes on as potential sheep in my flock. How do I put it on the site? I have to lie I am an atheist, sciencedammit.
 csamcsog
Joined: 4/8/2013
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Posted: 4/14/2013 8:00:12 AM
"I want to see when "Sith" gets called a religion." As in "s hapens"? I like that. I may change mine to that, once it's on government forms.

As always, I find it important to be true to your heart when you choose your religion, and that's the only thing that counts for your deity. If you believe that god is full of s, so be it, he will be pleased that you do. Don't look for special benefits, though, due to your acceptedness into the holy spirit of your god. There are no special favours. It's not always about you. Sometimes it's about your God.
 csamcsog
Joined: 4/8/2013
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Posted: 4/14/2013 8:06:43 AM
I'm a published author of Pagan writings...

A Pagan writes Pagan writings... yes, this checks out. If he publishes, he publishes something that a pagan worte. This checks out too.

I am nitpicking, because I can. I am a published nitpicker, of nitpick writings, because I am, surprize, a nitpicker.

Some others are jampackers who are published authors of jampack writings. Please allow me not to elaborate.
 Luthion
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Posted: 4/19/2013 11:39:03 PM
The problem is that Paganism isn't a specific religion in and of itself. It's a collective term for a broad range of different beliefs, and actually connecting those various beliefs together is very difficult.
 notjesus
Joined: 7/4/2008
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Posted: 7/15/2013 11:17:59 PM
Hail Odin.

There are many of us here. We peruse POF for blood sacrifices, mostly. The codephrase is "lets meet for coffee". The more willing the sacrifice, the better.
 PROTON67
Joined: 4/26/2012
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Posted: 7/16/2013 10:29:37 AM
Your religion is simply what you believe. Label or no label, everyone has a religion because everyone has a series of beliefs as to what is right and wrong.
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