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 lakeslide
Joined: 2/18/2013
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Actually Blair destroyed Britain hence I left the UK and I was a Labour supporter.
 daver987654
Joined: 11/2/2011
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Posted: 4/8/2013 6:15:35 AM
She came from a relatively humble background, got a second in Chemistry at Oxford and also later qualified as a barrister. Compare that background to all of our current political leaders who seem to come from very rich backgrounds and whose only life experience seems to be in politics.

No doubt she was a divisive figure and people like myself will necessarily not support everything she did. But the fight against trade unionism had to happen whether it had been Thatcher or someone else.

Like most politicians on a roll she went too far with privatisation.

I hope we can avoid hate posts on this subject.
 qedeshim
Joined: 4/18/2008
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Posted: 4/8/2013 6:28:43 AM
Well fawning about one of the biggest disasters appears a popular pastime for disoriented sheep, regularly dipped in propaganda..

As for having original ideas, well she borrowed, bent, and applied like a star struck child what appealed to her and those that appointed her, the ones that chose the previously overlooked icon. Thanks to her vast knowledge, she deregulated the city, and thus paved the way for the financial catastrophe people now willingly pay the banks for today. Let us not forget how she elevated her lost unemployed son, to profiting from weapons sales and became a multimillionaire almost overnight.

Government changed from attempting to arbitrate between workers and corporations to taking the side of corporations. With the unions now destroyed, engineering a few million currently to be NOT be paid enough to live on and everyone subsidising greedy corporate interests, though making up their wages through benefits Now the recently overqualified unemployed, can fill shelves for the likes of Tesco's, an upmarket approach to how the Germans treated those they regarded as sub-human.

She changed through bribery and division the concept of the "I'm all right Jack" ethos, making greed, selfishness, under the veil of competition, virtues. So now the selfish and greedy are praised, treated as out betters, while everything we regard as post WW2 as British is dismantled bit by bit, so as not to frighten the children.

So watch who bleats and praises the rejected puppet, that others allowed to front their agendas. Then read Animal Farm which demonstrate the process of gradual indoctrination, through reinterpretation, presentation and manipulation of language. Let us not forget how Mad Cow disease was also a part of the Deregulation agenda. Government Alone, now rules the sheep, as there is no real body to properly question the elected wise, who continue to fleece the sheep, who hardly feel being shaved anymore.

So Thatcher did not herald a BRAVE NEW WORLD, but paved the way for the greedy, selfish, parasitic psychopaths, to take Pied Piper like the deluded sheep back to a form of slavery, which was only equalled by one institution, The Church. Religion subjugated swathes of populations through the introduction of guilt, whereas the new elites use a similar process, except its more overt, we call debt. Both utilise invisible chains, and both tie people to a life of drudgery, sprinkled with the fairy dust of hope.
 TaTz_007
Joined: 4/20/2012
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Posted: 4/8/2013 7:08:03 AM
Poor Satan.. he has an eternity with this **** now.
 Ffester
Joined: 6/16/2012
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Posted: 4/8/2013 7:37:10 AM
I have seen and made various remarks about her death that some might consider very poor taste. Those remarks are largely a reaction to her life and legacy rather than her passing. She has caused so untold misery and hardship to so many people, and made Britain one of the most unequal societies in Europe. I don't blame people for making a few outragious comments.

I grew up in the north of England during the miner's strike and I used to be a nurse. I have personally seen people die because of her policies, so I for one make no apology for anything I have said.

I hope she won't prove to be as divisive in death as she was in life.
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/8/2013 8:24:49 AM
It never fails to amaze me how many people carry around so much hate in their hearts for so many years.

I'm not saying that she was always right, but then I don't think she was always wrong.

She is dead. It won't impact on my life at all, but when I heard the news today, I could just imagine some of the things that would be posted on here today.
 ~Hams~
Joined: 9/18/2008
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Posted: 4/8/2013 8:59:09 AM

I hope we can avoid hate posts on this subject.

Well said Daver.
She may not have been everyone's cup of tea but lets show a bit of respect and leave out the hatred at least for today.
One thing for certain is that she will always be remembered.
RIP The Iron Lady.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 4/8/2013 9:14:41 AM

RIP The Iron Lady.

Yeah, Rust in pieces!
Woooohooooo!
Soon, she'll be "not-for-turning", -in her grave!

............
Thatcher's Grave

Vile woman, IMO.
I'm glad I can finally stop hating her!
 TaTz_007
Joined: 4/20/2012
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Posted: 4/8/2013 9:38:16 AM
Still, not all bad for her in hell.. at least her best friend Jimmy will be there to welcome her in and show her the ropes.
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/8/2013 9:39:07 AM

I'm glad I can finally stop hating her!


I don't believe that for one minute Jo.

The only thing that surprised me today , is that it wasn't you who started the thread.
You're slipping
 TheRe-SownRose
Joined: 2/3/2013
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Posted: 4/8/2013 10:07:05 AM
What kind of person rejoices the loss of life?
I may not have agreed with all of her decisions but I have great respect for all she achieved as a woman.
 seabass15
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Posted: 4/8/2013 10:09:01 AM
R I P Margaret Hilda Thatcher. Job done. time for a cuppa.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 4/8/2013 10:31:27 AM

Whilst I was no fan of Margaret Thatcher and her policies and style of government, I would not go so far as to be full of glee at her death. Anyone's death is a loss to someone, and pain for them, so I wouldn't be happy at her family's grief.

Ordinarily, neither would I.
But in this case, her family, are Mark and Carol Thatcher.

I kept hearing various tories claiming she "was the best prime minister ever", and that "she saved us from the trade unions.

I'd just like to point out, that almost every advancement in the lives of 'ordinary working people", (ie., not the landed gentry, or the feudal aristocracy), were made as a result of trade unions, and their efforts.

The cessation of child labour, and the raising of the school leaving age.
Free schools
Free (until recently) universities.
The NHS
Holidays for workers.
Compensation for deaths and injuries at work.
Health and safety at work.
Votes for women.
The 'Welfare State".
"Social Housing".
State-owned and affordable utilities.
State-owned and affordable railway networks.

And lots of others.
Without the trade unions, the owners would have never made any concessions.
12-year-olds, would still be working in factories, (if we had any ), and workers would still be getting sacked for being injured, or just swept-up, if killed.

Thatcher, and her ilk, have been consistently opposed to all of these advances.
And are currently trying to reverse them.

She has done more to set back the march towards a fairer, less unequal society, than almost anyone.
"There's no such thing as society", she famously quipped.

The result now: no industry left, consistently high unemployment, gas, electricity, water etc -bills through the roof.
And "benefits" having to be claimed by people working full-time, for profitable companies.

Now you're "being held to ransom", by Scottish and Southern, or 'Kemble Water Holdings'.

And then there's the banks, and the lifting of currency exchange regulations, and the other banking regulations, which allowed the banks to gamble and lose, their customers' money, while the state picks up the tab.
Her changes, led directly to the collapse of the banks, and the public debt which that entailed.

Thatcher destroyed this country.
She used the police, to intervene in private, non-state matters, because she felt that the unions were a "socialist concept".

In reality, the only reason you can read this at all, is entirely due to the education which the unions 'won' for you, with their struggles, and the subsequent formation of the Labour Party, to fight for the rights of the vast majority, for the first time, rather than just for the privileged few.

I'm glad she's died.
My only regret, is that it didn't happen sooner, say 1979,
IMO we'd have been all be the better, for that.
 TheRe-SownRose
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Posted: 4/8/2013 10:55:11 AM

did she care when she killed hundreds of people, some people have no morals, think of the miners and the thousands and thousands of lives she ruined and the miners she killed for an easy example

millions will be rejoicing her overdue death, she was a murderer and an evil piece of shyte, my whole family were miners WHOS LIVES SHE RUINED, TELL THEM NOT TO REJOICE, pfft


That is exactly the kind of pathetic response that I'd expect from you.
 TaTz_007
Joined: 4/20/2012
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Posted: 4/8/2013 11:51:40 AM
Christ.. Thatcher has only been in Hell a couple of hours and she's already shut three furnaces!
 Ffester
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Posted: 4/8/2013 12:33:10 PM

i don't have the use of my typing arm at the momemnt so can't add my full thopughts ..but this is does the job for me.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150


Yep!
 aysana
Joined: 10/8/2007
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Posted: 4/8/2013 12:45:40 PM
Oh dear.
I am not going to say anything bad about the woman but whats happening today is solely down to her policies of de-regulation and de-nationalisation.
For profit and big business everything was sold off,run down,tendered out .
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 4/8/2013 1:19:57 PM
I have made my comments on Margaret Hilda on these forums before. I thought I would be happy today, yet I was suprised to find how indifferant I felt when I heard the news. . . I do have feeling and so despite myself I have spared a thought to her children who no matter what have lost their mother. An old pal once told me the opposite of love is not hate but indifferance, and today he was proved right.
 fleursky
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Posted: 4/9/2013 1:50:45 AM
pretty much sums up how I feel about it......

From Billy Bragg, Calgary, AB, Canada, on the death of Margaret Thatcher:

This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!
 andy1961
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Posted: 4/9/2013 4:30:47 AM
what makes me laugh is people who were not even born, or too young at the time celebrating her passing


Yep, that one makes me laugh too.

There is a "celebration" going on in the centre of Glasgow right now. TV pictures are showing people in their teens and 20's in attendance.

It begs the question: have they nothing better to do with their time? Obviously not.

Pathetic!
 andy1961
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Posted: 4/9/2013 5:07:12 AM

Perhaps their parents or relatives suffered, the regions their families are from.
Perhaps they dont like the Neocon like dream Thatchers Britain seemed to be.
A celebration for ideology.


Ehmm...possibly, but I highly doubt it!

And as for these "celebrations" that will be taking place, particularly on the day of the funeral, and especially n London; it will be no surprise if they turn into an excuse to riot once again - all in memory of the downtrodden of course!
 TheRe-SownRose
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Posted: 4/9/2013 7:42:06 AM

lmao at pathetic, you need to educate yourself in thatcherism and conservatives and what the did to thousands and thousands of families who were there when this tyrant was around, it herself and its family didnt give a toss about the people whos lives it destroyed, so why the hell do people want to mourn a witch who didnt give a toss about the working class and the lives she destroyed, would she mourn any of us, not a chance in hell, read all the posts here and on facebook and watch the news and educate yourself before you start calling people pathetic

im as happy as a pig in shyte same as my family are, relations are, and millions of people are, she destroyed this country just like the conservatives are now, steal from the poor and give to the rich

an unemployed person i know in Rotherham has to pay council tax £6 a month, and £84 bedroom tax a month on the council house she has had 30 year to bring her family up in, and thats out of £300 a month and it aint her fault she is unemployed either, thats the CONservatives for you, ROB THE POOR, now thats what you call pathetic, educate yourself jeez.


I'm not friends with people on fb that are so full hate, especially when it is biased, your view in unbalanced and full of personal feeling. To be a politician, personal feelings must be put to one side, difficult and unpopular decisions have to be made. And I did say that I did not agree with everything that she did, but I do admire her strength

Perhaps you have forgotten or you don't know what this country was like in the 70's, we were in a poor state, strikes meant people queuing for bread, power cuts, school closures, rail closures. Even journalists went on strike.

Then shall we get on to the terrorist threats? She showed no hesitation in sending in the SAS when it came to Libyan, Iranian, Palestinian and Irish terrorists. After the 30th April 1980 and the Iranian Embassy Siege, this country and its citizens were a regular target. She did not pander to them. Both in London and Mogadishu. The net result, no more high jacking of British airlines, no more attacks on Embassy’s.

So please don't tell me that I need to educate myself again as it'll only reflect poorly on you.
 Curious_Traveler_2013
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Posted: 4/9/2013 7:53:11 AM
http://wsws.org/en/articles/2013/04/09/pers-a09.html

Like this summary.
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/9/2013 9:43:30 AM

READ the rest of the post and see who agrees with you, NO-ONE, toodle pip :)


Please don't count me in on that Nick. I might not agree with all of it, but I agree with more of what Rose said, than I do with what you said.
Anyone who thinks it's good to try and murder someone else, for whatever reason they might have, is abhorrent to me. Especially when innocent people were killed along the way.
 TheRe-SownRose
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Posted: 4/9/2013 9:47:48 AM

well i thought i would say this, we can see who is pathetic, can you not read???

an unemployed person i know in Rotherham has to pay council tax £6 a month, and £84 bedroom tax a month on the council house she has had 30 year to bring her family up in, and thats out of £300 a month and it aint her fault she is unemployed either, thats the CONservatives for you, ROB THE POOR, now thats what you call pathetic, educate yourself jeez.

all these pathetic things that come in are from her ideas, ie POLL con TAX, and the pathetic CONservatives ROB THE POOR, its blatant and easy to see yet you rant about EMBASSY'S and STRIKES from the seventies that were that rare barley anyone can remember them, they didnt destroy thousands upon thousands of peoples lives, miners couldnt queue for bread they had nothing but handouts from other HUMAN BEINGS who felt their plight and agreed with them, as for the EMBASSY'S its a big shame she wasnt blown to kingdom come then, a big big shame, shes made the country what it is now a complete and utter mess where the CONservatives ROB and USE the poor and unemployed to try and get them out of the mess THEY put us in, for the 1 good that witch did, there were 50 bads she did,and my view aint biased or unbalanced, READ the rest of the post and see who agrees with you, NO-ONE, toodle pip :-).


You are saying the same things again and again without saying anything at all, did you realise that?
Obviously I can read, and so can you (I think), I'm not sure that you understand though.
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