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 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Well, we're into it now! As Elections BC is a client of mine, I am legally bound to remain strictly non-partisan once I show up for the first day, but I still like to see politicos being called on distorted claims or just plain lies!

I hope this thread will get everyone talking about what they consider fair and true - and what is unfair and false!

Let's try to not be partisan, and stick to what we can know about those boasts and accusations. Dog knows, there's no shortage of flagrant BS!
ED BEAR
 y0uandi
Joined: 2/18/2013
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Posted: 4/17/2013 11:38:23 AM
By choosing not to vote, you have made your choice.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 4/17/2013 4:10:34 PM

Dog knows, there's no shortage of flagrant BS!


In today's world of politics in Canada it's ALLLLLLLLL Bullshiat.

Every year you have less and less "good" people entering politics. The "good" ones know that the political arena does nothing except change you into something other that "good" along with a very inflated bank account during your term, and especially afterwards. Take a good look at our past premiers, what they are doing now, and whom they work for.

This ain't rocket science. The politicians at one time were suppose to represent the "common man". That isn't close to the "truth" anymore. The two idiots from the main parties here are showing, again, by their ad campaigns how phucked up they really are. Anybody phucktard can throw rocks and they are both proving that.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 4/18/2013 4:58:32 AM
^^^^^^^^ Alberta just lost the last one,,,Ralph Klein,despite his demon battles with the bottle. Here in BC, I only laugh at whom we pick as a leader. Is it the pot?????
 IdinNo
Joined: 2/1/2013
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Posted: 4/18/2013 9:20:57 AM
Our only hope is an independent, parties only look after their own.
But not voting at all, remember this ?........All that evil needs to thrive, is for good men( and women) to do nothing. So the not voting thing actually helps to make things worse, congratulations.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
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Posted: 4/18/2013 10:11:24 AM
[By choosing not to vote, you have made your choice.]
-No way! I do NOT want certain people in power.


[So the not voting thing actually helps to make things worse, congratulations.]
- My point exactly
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 4/19/2013 5:06:08 AM

So the not voting thing actually helps to make things worse, congratulations.


How so???? How does the general populace voice their displeasure with the options that they have been given????
We are supposedly living in a democratic society, yet, when the options are limited to cementheads and parties that are so out of touch with the common man and their concerns, "elections" become very tiresome and a waste of effort,time and space(I already have a disgust for the signage and what they remind me of).

Take a look at what JUST happened down south with the gun "control" vote. Disgusting and very exposing. In other countries, there are have been many so-called "democratic elections" but, we over here in North America turn our noses up at these places because supposedly we "know" these people have no "real" choice in the matter,just the facade of a "democratic" choice. I do believe we are hitting that mark here, just a little differently.

Please don't tell me to chose between horse shiat,cow shiat and pig shiat and that I am, as a member of this society should be happy because I am "able" to "vote" because other societies don't have that "right". I'm tired of it.
 IdinNo
Joined: 2/1/2013
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Posted: 4/19/2013 8:49:07 AM
Go out and get the necessary signatures to get aproved as an indapendent, which shouldnt be hard, and run against the other douche bags, I will vote for you, you will probabbly lose BUT, I will have sucessfully shown the other "parties" how I feel and have done my part to keep our democracy alive. You will be my hero for giving me an option OTHER than whats out there.
Remember Chuck Cadman? People loved him.......why?
I have faith that you can answer that one without my help.

Here are a couple of quotes for you...
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men."
Abraham Lincoln
 4x4+geek
Joined: 4/7/2007
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Posted: 4/19/2013 10:55:38 AM
One of our important responsibilities as citizens in a democracy is to make informed decisions when electing our representatives. If you must make the "All candidates are inept ..." statement , just spoil your ballot.
All candidates are not bad; some are, infact very, honourable people. Independents can have a massive influence. Remember Chuck Cadman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Cadman
Please vote. If we take the trouble to inform ourselves, and vote, only then can we complain without being hippocratic.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 4/19/2013 5:08:51 PM

Remember Chuck Cadman?


Shook hands with the man more than once.


Remember his daughter?????

What happened to her from the time Chuck died and she got voted in(because of his name,by the way)???? More changes.

Our political system has now created something that I don't like the looks of. It breeds a different type of person, changing a well thought of, good hearted,good intentioned person into something that I am sure even they wouldn't look too fondly of. Once you enter the game it isn't hard to just get the hell outta there after finding out how nasty it really is. But once you are really "in", the need to be "re-elected" tends to change a person. History has proven that "after awhile, with power, will come abuse".

I have watched with interest as the young Trudeau has entered the arena. The Liberals have been smart in his "grooming", making sure he really has been out the limelight(battles/fights/an misworded statement) for the last couple of years, though still letting him learn the ropes in the backrooms. It will be interesting to see him in another 20 years, if I'm still around(knock wood, and my head at the same time)

Suns out, time for some sippin...........
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 4/20/2013 4:10:17 AM
Well, first let me say that IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO VOTE, AND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE!

I can't believe anyone can't see the difference the elections of the Gordon Campbell and Stephen Harper governments made in our daily live.

Then, let me say FORGET ABOUT WHO YOU LIKE OR HATE! What matters is OUTCOMES!!! What will happen if YOU vote this way or that!

Finally, GET ON TOPIC! Stop crapping on the political system and please post specific examples of things you think (and with luck) demonstrate to be false or misleading.

ED BEAR
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 4/20/2013 7:07:24 AM
What IS the "topic" Bear?????


specific examples of things you think (and with luck) demonstrate to be false or misleading.



Examples of the BS that is floating around on the TV, radio and other media???? If ya want examples,just open your eyes and ears. What you are hearing (or not) is how each party "believes" is the best path to getting "elected", not how they will help this province and it's people. It's the reason Adrian Dix is keeping his mouth SHUT!!!!!!! He knows that as soon as he opens his mouth he has potential to screw his party's "victory" up.

I don't know about you, but, I find the definiton of Adrian Dix as a "leader" and he promoting himself as such as false and misleading. Christy got in by default, and now, it's Adrian's turn.
 THEKidWicked
Joined: 8/9/2010
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Posted: 4/22/2013 1:41:11 AM
christy clarke vs the bc film industry.

stick a fork in her. shes done. back to radio.

na na na na .....hey hey....


k.w.
she screwed herself
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 4/27/2013 2:08:56 AM
I've had a lot of experience in the film industry, and known a lot of people who still work in it, and I do NOT support increasing tax breaks for a small and privileged coterie because other provinces have different deals.

I'd much rather see BC negotiate with other provinces to bring their plans into line instead of being pitted against each other to make more concessions to bean-counters who consider Canadian film workers disposable and only worth using as bargaining chips.
ED BEAR
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 4/28/2013 11:41:14 AM
Here's something that struck me this week:

Dix has been running a front runner campaign. That's understandable, and he's said virtually nothing. He came out against Kinder Morgan to squash the threat from the Greens. Then he said he'd sell BC Place. Now Detroit sold the Silver Dome for less than a bachelor condo in North Burnaby would cost - so there's no real market out there for sports stadia. I suspect he wasn't sincere in this plan. In giving the Liberals something to attack him on though, it takes them off message. Dix can't be both a dangerous socialist and a wild eyed privatizer.

Because he has said so little this campaign, I suspect this was carefully thought out.
 justagrlwithacat
Joined: 2/7/2011
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Posted: 4/28/2013 1:53:49 PM
The televised debate is tomorrow night don't forget. I didn't listen to the cknw one because I can't handle listening to that mumbo jumbo twice. So I chose tomorrows. Besides, it'll be fun to see both sides squirm and get awkward over some things.
 tizzabelle
Joined: 8/20/2010
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Posted: 5/7/2013 10:57:05 PM
I got a call a few weeks ago asking if I was keeping up on the issues and, then she started to rattle off a bunch of "facts"
... one was that the liberals have not raised minimum wage at all, I called her on it. I told her, i just got a raise a few months ago. lol

Crusty was here today... apparently so was Barney
 _islandbird
Joined: 3/23/2007
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Posted: 5/8/2013 6:39:39 PM
Yeah.................. here we are at election time again................ ain't it just great!
Voter apathy is at an all time high because Canadians are just plain tired of their votes meaning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Remember back in school when they taught us that we lived in a "representative democracy"? WHOOPEE!! They made it sound so wonderful, but what does it actually look like in practice? Well, it's going to repeat itself right in front of your eyes in a few days.

Here's the reality. We elect our chosen "representative" and send them off to Victoria/Ottawa to supposedly do our bidding. When it comes to making legislation, instead of respecting their constituent's wishes, politicians basically insult us by voting their own agenda, the party line, the flavor of the week, or simply whatever is most politically expedient for them. We all know that citizens have very little actual power of "recall" when we disagree with our elected representatives. Which party they belong to is pretty much irrelevant............... they ALL do it!

We don't need a new party in government, or even the old one. We need a NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT. In a true DIRECT DEMOCRACY your vote actually counts for something because it also serves to entrench legislation through the use of "initiatives" important to the people. The majority vote determines what becomes ACTUAL LEGISLATION
....... & that, folks, is what REAL democracy is about. When Canadians finally develop a collective backbone and demand that their vote means something, maybe we will government we can respect. In the interim, we just close our eyes, hold our noses and try to put a mark somewhere on the ballot.................. kinda like Pin the Tail on the Donkey. Regrettably, you are probably standing in donkey poo while you are doing it............. just sayin'
 Somesingleguy1974
Joined: 11/22/2012
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Posted: 5/9/2013 6:58:17 PM

Here's the reality. We elect our chosen "representative" and send them off to Victoria/Ottawa to supposedly do our bidding. When it comes to making legislation, instead of respecting their constituent's wishes, politicians basically insult us by voting their own agenda, the party line, the flavor of the week, or simply whatever is most politically expedient for them. We all know that citizens have very little actual power of "recall" when we disagree with our elected representatives. Which party they belong to is pretty much irrelevant............... they ALL do it!


Maybe I am different. But I have never voted based on who my local representative is. Because I've known since I ever started voting. That my local representative is but only one voice out of however many voices there are in parliament. If they voted against their party then depending on what is being voted on, it could cause a vote of confidence. This of course would trigger an election. That is why it doesn't matter who the representative is. The policy of the party will always come above their believes.

The only way for a local representatives vote to really count for his/her local constituents would be to abolish political parties. So if we assume that is done. What you would find is different members of parliament would over time start teaming up on votes to have their vote win. And those teaming up would be of the same political beliefs. Thus going back to idea of a political party.
 _islandbird
Joined: 3/23/2007
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Posted: 5/9/2013 10:04:03 PM
Somesingleguy,

Perhaps you should Google "Direct Democracy" since you apparently don't understand the concept. Our votes WOULD actually count for something if they served to make actual legislation. The very few times Canadians have been allowed to do this, we call it a "referendum". That is as close to a real democracy as we ever get. In a true democracy, the laws and policies of our country would be controlled by the wishes of the MAJORITY of Canadians, not shoved down our throats by representatives that disregard/disrespect our wishes, often in favor of whine-y special interest minorities.

If our "representatives" aren't free to vote against their party, what kind of government do we actually have? Oh wait........... I'm pretty sure it is called a dictatorship. There is some merit to the idea of abolishing politicians and their parties and making citizens directly responsible for voting for the laws and policies we want. That way, any citizen who chose not to vote would have no right to criticize what the majority of their fellow citizens decided. Lets face it....................... politicians are like diapers.................. they need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 21
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Posted: 5/12/2013 2:36:08 PM
Well, a couple more days and hopefully the shiat flying at us thru the media from our potential "leaders" and their parties will ease up. I decided to watch the so-called "debate" and the only thing I got outta of it was confirmation on my thoughts on how phucked up our politicians(and politics in general) are. It was the most disgusting display of "acting" I have ever witnessed.
 4x4+geek
Joined: 4/7/2007
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Posted: 5/13/2013 6:07:39 PM
Walts:
Are you talking about Chuck's his widow, Dona?
Chuck was re-elected (as an independent because the rival local conservative constituent bussed in loads of supporters - read into that what you will - so he was not renominated as a constituent) trouncing the (new) local Conservative. That was followed by a rather macabre attempt by which the Conservatives later tried to buy his support with a million dollar life insurance policy. Chuck declined and went on to do great things for Canada before he died. I like to think Chuck and Dona made a good team.
 4x4+geek
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Posted: 5/13/2013 6:18:26 PM
To-date I've been phoned by peopled supporting the Libs and NDP. Later I was robo-called with a prerecorded message soliciting my support for reforming cannabis laws. I suppose the latter group couldn't find people that are as motivated as the former two groups - for some reason....
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