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 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 12/9/2012
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I don't know if people in other "first world" countries besides the USA have this epidemic of self-diagnosed or over-diagnosed "new" diseases/syndromes/disorders, but if I hear one more person blame their dysfunctionality on PTSD, ADD, ADHD or whatever the "D" of the moment may be, I am going to scream.

The founding fathers and mothers of the USA, the pioneers, the "Greatest Generation" - all the folks who have gone before who built this country - must be spinning in their graves to hear the wussified, pansy-azzed whining, complaining, blaming and excuse-making that people use now to justify every lack of action and petulant demand. It's a good thing that current generations weren't the ones who had to venture into the wilderness to settle new territories, or it never would have happened.

Whatever happened to just SUCKING IT UP and DEALING WITH IT? How did we come to think that "the pursuit of happiness" meant no hardships, obstacles, disappointments or losses? Why don't Americans just face life head-on and take what comes and figure out how to deal with it, like they used to do?

I don't get it.
 Bebedeleau
Joined: 2/25/2013
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Posted: 7/23/2013 10:16:22 PM
I've seen this too and it irritates me. No sense of personal responsibility to begin with. I have little tolerance for people with an external locus of control (everyone else controls everything, I'm the victim, what am I supposed to do, etc.) What's odd is I've seen it with one person in a family where the others were very internally motivated. Go figure, I guess you can't really blame it on parenting (at least not all the time)?

I remember everyone having "chronic fatigue" blamed on a "real" virus years back. I hardly ever hear that buzz word anymore. I'm not saying it's not real, but, a whole lot of people took that label upon themselves, conveniently it seems, that don't use it now.

There's too many people with a sense of self entitlement and coddling going on. Everyone wants to label every personality difference too, especially in schools. Whether it's good or bad is debatable, but it seems to exist much more than generations ago. It's no wonder people are growing up with so much focus on excusing and labeling themselves, and feeling like they deserve special treatment or compensations for themselves.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 7/23/2013 10:32:27 PM
I suffer from lazy-ass disease, it's a killer I tell you! I'd get upset about it but heck, it's too much trouble.

I think the new thing is autoimmune syndromes, but I also think many of them are real and disabling. What use to happen in the good old days is that people died or ended up locked away in the attic or an asylum. I understand what you are saying, but the hypochondriacs have always existed, the rest of the people with problems are actually sick.
 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 12/9/2012
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Posted: 7/23/2013 10:56:39 PM

I suffer from lazy-ass disease, it's a killer I tell you! I'd get upset about it but heck, it's too much trouble.

LOL! I have the same thing at times, but it's my own damn fault!

I have several friends with serious autoimmune syndromes (doctor-diagnosed and very real) such as lupus, Sjogren's disease, fibromyalgia and so on. I am not belittling what they go through. Interestingly enough, they are all very strong, self-motivated doers who would cringe at the thought of blaming every little thing on their disease. They try not to let their conditions get in their way.

I'm not saying that PTSD isn't real - most of our war vets have it and it's devastating. I'm sick of people blaming their failure to cope - or maybe it's a lack of desire to cope - on stupid little things that bother them, so they can make up "having PTSD" as an excuse.

Personally I've been through some hellish times in my life where I could wallow in past miseries if I chose to dwell on them. Instead, I just refuse to think about them - then I don't get upset - then I move on to something more positive. Problem solved, shyt happens, deal with it.
 The_Whole_of_the_Moon
Joined: 11/25/2012
Msg: 5
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Posted: 7/24/2013 2:58:16 AM
Self-diagnosed ? It's becoming a learned behavior in your country. It started with infomercials for health products telling people you needed their product to help with this or this or this.

Next came the pharmaceutical companies that took it one step further when they began their commercials during regular TV viewing. They'll roll out a new drug specific to one ailment adding a long list of symptoms for this illness and then tell the public to see their doctor if some of these symptoms apply. In effect make a self-diagnosis. Problem is the symptoms they list could apply too so many illness and unfortunately so many people will self-diagnose so they can get this wonder drug to improve their life.

We don't have the pharmaceutical commercials on Canadian TV. I'm sure it's an American endearment. I can't imagine Europe would allow them.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 7/24/2013 3:08:08 AM
I think you are all missing the big picture dynamic in this.

Individuals, and groups in some cases, do suffer lessened lives, and sometimes more or less accidental persecution because of those very real conditions. Yes, because some of them are impossible to detect by looking for germs under a microscope, there will be people who don't actually suffer from them, who will try to get others to cater to them falsely. But if you look around with a more expansive recognition, you will find that EVERYTHING, be it negative, or positive, gets misused by all sorts of people.

Just as there are these labeled syndromes that are being abused by some, so too we are beset by lots of people at the other end of things, who want us to grant them all sorts of special freedoms and extra respect, simply because they are "superior" in some way. It's the same damn problem, just at the other end of things.

I suggest that the exact WRONG response is to tell everyone to "suck it up." That's the "throw out the bathwater, even though you KNOW there are babies in it" approach to dealing with things.

I suggest instead, to apply your insight and claimed ability to see things more clearly, to select the more accurate solutions to others problems, and not to simply discard them, because they are choosing the wrong ones.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
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Posted: 7/24/2013 4:32:46 AM
Msg # 5... I did'nt know you Canadians did'nt have pharmaceutical commercials on TV. I often wonder why we're being bombarded with them here. How refreshing that must be for you folks.

I've also noticed they seem to have a pill for every ailment. Then, at the end of these commercials they show a warning about side affects. Sounds like some of the side affects of these drugs are worse than the diseases they are meant to cure.

I sometimes think the quickness to medicate is part of this problem.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 7/24/2013 5:17:24 AM
^^^ Yes, I see ads informing folks to "go see your doctor and ask if such and such medication could be of help for your condition". Then, they'll list some symptoms and if you have some or any of these this medication could help. Then at the end of the commercial they'll list the possible side affects.

And the viagra and male enhancement ads are proliferous. I imagine if a foreigner came here and saw all the viagra ads they'd think the whole country had gone soft.
 import_from_UK
Joined: 3/20/2013
Msg: 9
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Posted: 7/24/2013 6:05:20 AM
I think there are many who do suck it up and deal with it - my son included as he didn't want to be pumped full of drugs. I think the modern day term for sucking it up and dealing with it is termed 'developing coping strategies'. Same concept but with a warm, fuzzy modern day term.

I do think some people use these conditions as an excuse to be an ass or a lazy ass but many do just get on with it and understand everyone has times when life doesn't go smoothly and it's not usually connected to a condition they can label.

That said, I do think there has been an increase in things like ADHD, asthma and all sorts of complaints which weren't commonly known about just a decade ago but I believe, the cause of many, are the GM foods, grains, chemically enhanced produce and products that the government permits our food providers to use to increase their bottom line and reduce the likelihood of crop damage or food reaching an expiry date.

If we would stop permitting engineered food, I think that would go a long way into seeing a lot of health related issues/conditions being reduced. Filling our children with chemicals from the moment they are born via their food intake, has to produce toxins that the body doesn't know how to manage and by default, increased the chances of the body breaking down at some level. JMO.
 tinkerbellcgy
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Posted: 7/24/2013 6:14:53 AM

We don't have the pharmaceutical commercials on Canadian TV.


Sure we do - in Alberta, at least. I don't imagine it is any different in any other province seeing as the airways are governed federally by the CRTC. While we may have a USA television feed for a program, the ads inserted into the commercial slots are Canadian. There are ads for humira, viagara, celebrax, blah, blah, blah.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 7/24/2013 9:02:15 AM
I'm not sure why anyone would run to a doctor and ask for a certain name-brand med after seeing pharmaceutical commercials on TV, good gawd the list of side effects they lay out would make anyone afraid to take them! I think my favorites are the ones that list cancer and/or tuberculous as side effects....side effects! Yeah, boy give some of those doc, yum. Remember a few years back, there was a commercial for a pill for tummy troubles, showed a line of people's bellies? It's been taken off the market now, but one of the side effects they listed was explosive diarrhea, yeah, that's the ticket LOL

When was there ever a time in modern society that pills and such haven't been advertised and used on people? Even back before modern times I'm quite sure the herb doctors were plying their trade partly by getting the word out that they had the best leaves for your ailment. It's nothing new at all just as hypochondriacs aren't new. Some people get attention from listing ailments and some people go way beyond sucking it up and harm themselves because they won't get medical help. Most of us are in-between somewhere. You see more prescription drugs advertised now because it's allowed, just like doctors who advertise, it's a preference by the company or person, fact is I've never been given a drug just because I saw it on TV and asked for it, I had to need it first.

The people who get attention by always being sick or those who get attention by sucking it up while they obviously suffer, are always going to do that. Being on either end is just as bad. Why would one be seen better than the other? Both are very unhealthy and show signs of having issues and a need for attention. At least the hypochondriacs are seeking medical attention and may well catch a true medical issue in time for proper treatment. And nobody is required to listen to someone go on about how sick they are or how great they are at sucking it up, don't involve yourself in their attention seeking, don't egg them on.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 12
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Posted: 7/24/2013 10:30:14 AM
I've got to agree with the OP. Between the entitlement people have these days, the babying that goes on in schools where teachers and faculty are phasing out typical competitive events because celebrating winners "offends those who lose" which is the mentality that just existing/showing up gets you an award and people saying they just can't do things as they give up easily and then expecting sympathy instead of being too proud to admit it and really trying to make it happen (medical or not), I don't know what to say.

I'm a big fan of suck it up - my generation dealt with a lot more than kids do today, and we're all fine.
 Indira46
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Posted: 7/24/2013 10:58:31 AM
It's not just regular people, it's doctors too. I was casually talking to my doctor about my strong need to keep things clean and organized, and he suggested I might be OCD. He was asking me if I tap on doors a bunch of times and check things a certain number of times. Uh, no. I just like things to be put where they belong in an organized manner. He was very persistent and almost disappointed that I didn't fit enough criteria to be diagnosed.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 7/24/2013 5:04:25 PM

but if I hear one more person blame their dysfunctionality on PTSD, ADD, ADHD or whatever the "D" of the moment may be, I am going to scream.


I agree on the "blaming" part. Whenever I hear from a person that they have (or supposedly have) ADD or whatever, I ask them what they are doing about it. Most of the time I hear "nothing" and the list of reasons(excuses) for them doing "nothing". I tend to walk away from these types fairly quickly, cause with a little homework, you can "help" the problem with a little homework and some changes in your life. All without the meds. But, of course homework includes the word WORK, and we know how a lot of people are when they hear that one.

My Mom, nowadays, laughs when she hears about the ADD, ADHD,etc. She tells all of her offspring that everyone of us has had(still has???????) a little bit of it all. She thinks we're all batshiat crazy and proud of it.
 Hamilton12345
Joined: 3/29/2012
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Posted: 7/24/2013 6:11:37 PM
I agree with the self diagnosis part. I hear it all the time, well I have this or I have that. Did a doctor diagnose it? Nope I just have and it is my excuse to behave badly.

My future son-in-law has ADD and has to medicated in order to control it, he hates the meds, the only one that ever truly worked properly for him was Ritalin, unfortunately, he suffers from one of the rare and potentially fatal side effects of the drug so he can't take it.

What has he done about this? Keeps trying different meds and combinations, CBT, the gym, joined the reserves (decided that perhaps the army could beat the discipline into that his parents couldn't). Well he still flits, but has a good full-time job, sleeps fairly decently and is a happy productive adult. For him it will always be a struggle, but it is never an excuse.

For many others, it is simply an excuse for lazy parenting and for bad behaviour. I can't help it, I have XYZ disorder and that makes me do it. Ranks right up there with the twinkie defense in my eyes.
 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 12/9/2012
Msg: 16
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Posted: 7/24/2013 6:31:07 PM
I love this line:

For him it will always be a struggle, but it is never an excuse.

THAT is what coping with life is all about.
Not the twinkie defense.
 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 12/9/2012
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/24/2013 6:37:16 PM
Igor,


I suggest instead, to apply your insight and claimed ability to see things more clearly, to select the more accurate solutions to others problems, and not to simply discard them, because they are choosing the wrong ones.


Why it is our role "to select the more accurate solutions to others problems"?
What happens when those others have created their problem so that they have an excuse not to deal with life?
What do you propose we do to force those others to accept solutions that we have created for them?

It's THEIR personal responsibility. Not up to me to make them do anything for themselves, except, as Walts said, to not enable them further in their misery.
 cooldog65
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Posted: 7/25/2013 6:55:54 AM
In my opinion, pharmaceutical companies are big business. There's no profit in curing a disease. They want lifetime customers. They want you to be just well enough to get by, but not necessarily fully cured. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 7/26/2013 3:10:15 AM
PittsburghVixen:


Why it is our role "to select the more accurate solutions to others problems"?


Because you are here declaring that you wont tolerate or support the solutions that the people you are criticizing have put forth. You can go with "simply discarding them," if you prefer, of course. I don't see the logic of ranting about people you are discarding, however.


What happens when those others have created their problem so that they have an excuse not to deal with life?


I'm not sure what you meant with this question. I already said that some people have been misdiagnosed, just as others have self-diagnosed inaccurately, for personal benefit or comfort of some sort. What I was TRYING to point out, is that there are REAL people with REAL problems as labeled in your rant, and that your way of ranting about them calls for EVERYONE to be told to "suck it up." Hence the "lets throw out the bathwater KNOWING there are babies in it" simile.


What do you propose we do to force those others to accept solutions that we have created for them?


I'm not generally disposed to FORCING solutions on others. Again, you are the one demanding that everyone who thinks they have the listed problems, be told they are wrong, and that you wont tolerate them. My reasoning is that if someone thrusts themselves into someone else's life, and declares that they know better, then that person is responsible for proving that, by coming up with a real alternate solution. Otherwise, they are just egotistically posturing for effect.

In the general subject area of all these relatively new labeled syndromes, I DO believe that they are being abused and misused. My own response to ANY problem someone else has, including birth defects, diseases, permanent injuries, as well as these syndromes, is that while none of them are the victims FAULT, they are all still the victims PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH. In other words, I also don't support using one's defects as an excuse, unless the person is so far gone that they require institutionalization of some sort.

I'm on your side, when it comes to refusing to allow someone, even with genuine PROVABLE PTSD, OCD, ADD, ED, or whatever other alphabet acronyms you can list, to declare that because they have this problem, that everyone else has to allow them to wallow in it, and to cater TO THE PROBLEM.

What I am OPPOSED to, is what has been expressed here so far, which is to declare rather sloppily that EVERYONE who has one of those labels should be told to shove it, simply because you are angry at the irresponsible ones who hide behind such.
 PittsburghVixen
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:08:27 AM
Igor, I think we basically agree on the big picture, but you are going deeper into this.

Perhaps I just didn't make it crystal clear in the first post. I do not think that everyone who really does have the issues I mentioned, is using those issues as an excuse. I thought that when I posted the OP, in using the word "blaming" I indicated that I am rejecting the EXCUSES, not the people. I don't expect people who actually do have these issues to ignore the issues, but to deal with them and move on as best they can, despite their issues, as people in the past used to do when they didn't have the awareness/solutions/meds/therapy available today. As I said, I have a number of friends who have serious issues, some terminal, but each one of them refuses to let those issues hold them back from living a happy and positive life.


Because you are here declaring that you wont tolerate or support the solutions that the people you are criticizing have put forth. You can go with "simply discarding them," if you prefer, of course. I don't see the logic of ranting about people you are discarding, however.


I am saying that using these issues as excuses to make one's life a failure, is what I am "discarding". Not the people themselves - although I avoid the emotional vampires who are miserable and want me to be miserable with them. The problem I see is that the people I am avoiding do not put forth any solutions. No, I won't support their desire to wallow in their misery. If someone with an issue does put forth solutions, I am all about supporting them.

I am ranting about them because I don't like the epidemic of blame and negativity and expecting everyone else to take care of them because they throw out excuses and refuse to help themselves. Big difference between those who cannot do any better depsite their own best efforts, and those who won't even make the effort.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:32:13 PM
I've been a computer programmer since before most of the people in POF were even born - and yes, I mean that literally (since 1982).

My whole life, I've heard the jokes about techies living in their mother's basements, how they choke up around girls, can't dress themselves properly, yadda yadda yadda. But some time in the last 5/10 years, being a geek or a nerd has become more a badge of honour than a personality defect.

And sometime, in the last 5/10 years, all of a sudden on every frikkin technical discussion board in the world, these self-same geeks talk about how it's not *their* fault that they've never had a gf or have no social skills - it's because they all have Asperger's syndrome.

Just look at the current "smartypants" on tv - Dr House, the entire cast of The Big Bang Theory, or Perception. (I noticed that the self-diagnosis seems to have started when House first got the ball rolling.)

To me, if you lack social skills, you should be looking for help to acquire them - not keep sitting in the basement, comforted by the warm glow of your monitor, and blaming your lot in life on some syndrome that gives you an excuse to not have to change out of your track pants with the 3 week old pizza stains on it.

Things like ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc do exist - but all these weenies hiding behind their self-diagnosis does nothing but cheapen and trivialize the problems that exist for those that truly DO have those problems - and make it more difficult for them to get the help that they need.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:16:06 AM

in the last 5/10 years, being a geek or a nerd has become more a badge of honour than a personality defect.


That's because more of the geeks still have decently paying jobs than the rest of us. And because some fun movies were made, possibly starting with "Revenge of the Nerds," and "War Games," making them appear to be worth getting past the 'nerdiness'.


(I noticed that the self-diagnosis seems to have started when House first got the ball rolling.)


Ah, you are SO young, such an innocent child. Self diagnosis started shortly after the first person coined a recognized word for a symptom. It's the natural result of human's innate drive to understand, in order to compete, coupled with the fact that most official diagnoses cost more than most people can afford. Perhaps add in the innate human tendency to look for shortcuts (i.e. the shortest distance between what you have and what you want, is cheating).


Things like ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc do exist - but all these weenies hiding behind their self-diagnosis does nothing but cheapen and trivialize the problems that exist for those that truly DO have those problems - and make it more difficult for them to get the help that they need.


Absolutely true. Whether the diagnosis is accurate or not, it's what you do in response to it that matters.
 trinity818
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:15:52 AM

Big difference between those who cannot do any better depsite their own best efforts, and those who won't even make the effort.


That bears repeating because it seems to be the crux of it.

However...I think when someone is in a deep depression, it severely inhibits their ability to make that initial effort. Sad, but true. Taking that first step is usually the hardest.

Finding the right med and psychologist can be really discouraging for some. And the wrong med can make things worse.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 7/27/2013 11:31:14 AM
It WAS once against the law to advertise medical stuff. That was changed back in the 80's a time when all sorts of "if it makes a few people rich, it should be legal" concepts became popularized. All part of the movement to get rid of government protections of the people, under the guise of encouraging "free market capitalism."

I too find the "side effects" part of these commercials to be the most amusing. Every day, I hear another ad for a hair restoring product, which has death, maiming, and other permanent damages as side effects to getting only slightly thicker-LOOKING hair.

The one that I am most suspicious of, ever since it first began, is the long series of ads for Cialis, where they seem have as their permanent theme, two old naked people, sitting facing away from the camera, outside on a hillside somewhere, in separate bathtubs. From the first time I saw it, I've wondered what in the drug causes the ones taking it to NEED to sit in separate bathtubs, and be in an area where smells can dissipate quickly in the wind.
 trinity818
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:32:13 AM
This is so funny its ridiculous. Depression is not just something you can distract yourself from. You clearly have very little idea what people with mental illnesses suffer from.


That is exactly what I wanted to say. If it was that easy, there wouldn't be any depressed people.

But of course, this thread is more about PTSD, ADD and ADHD and people self-diagnosing. There are a great many areas in this country where mental health is not free or affordable. At least the self-diagnosters (is that a word?) are aware and admit that they even have a problem. I do understand there a few whiners in the bunch, but I think most actually need help. I have known two teenagers who ended up with schizophrenia. Neither one grew up able to function on their own. Even with proper medication. My opinion is also swayed by personal experience. I had difficulty coping with a violent, traumatic event. It took me a few years to learn how to stop re-living it. How to redirect my thoughts. I'm fortunate to have had health insurance that enabled me to afford therapy. Without it, I could not have afforded the assistance I needed.

Years ago, those types of issues were often not diagnosed or treated. And there was a HUGE stigma attached to mental health issues. People were locked away "in the day".
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