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 Baffalobill
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Religion is like 2 preschool children fighting in the playground over a imaginary friend...
Unfortunately when they grow up they have guns and machete's to fight each other with...

Seriously are we all heading towards the bliss of insanity???
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:17:48 AM
Honour killings -A Moral case study in ethics
Festival of dangerous ideas -Sydney opera house..

This is where we are right now people
Frightening .....


John Lennon's song "imagine" really says it all as far as I am concerned...
 gingerosity
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:44:08 AM
Religion doesn't lead to insanity, insanity leads to religion. Religion doesn't cause people to want to fight and control each other, it's that people who want to fight and control each other invent and use tools such as religions to justify doing so. We are all neurotic, tool-using, pattern-seeking apes. Always have been and always will be. So no, the skies aren't falling down becuase ape fights are reported to us so quickly and comprehensively now. On the contrary, the acceleration of the spread of information and ideas is demystifying superstitious beliefs faster than ever before.

"The voice of Reason is soft. But it is very persistent." - Freud.

And remember, the people who are picking up guns and machetes are victims of childhood tramas in war zones, indoctrinations, bullying and intimidation by the people who are supposed to protect them. The victims become the perpetrators and the cycle continues. Pity all those whose lives are twisted by the cycle of power. It is the terrible suffering of the children of the world that is the true evil to be opposed, rather than the religions that merely take advantage of it.

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower.

-Karl Marx, Introduction to the Critique of Hegels Philosophy of Right
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 6/28/2014 2:16:31 AM
A Sudanese woman who gave birth in prison after being sentenced to hang for converting to Christianity has been freed. The case of Meriam Ibrahim attracted wide concern, and criticism from Secretary of State John Kerry.

Ibrahim, 27, says she was raised an Orthodox Christian, her mother's religion, after being born to a Muslim father. In May, she was eight months pregnant when she was tried for charges that included apostasy — abandoning Islam — and marrying a Christian, Daniel Wani.


All this over an imaginary friend...
Only goes to show after all this time, That we humans are still extremely simple, primitive creatures ...
and that we had to create something to confront mans fear of death and using that theory to cause harm to others...
 Moon_Rocket
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Posted: 8/2/2014 4:58:13 PM
What a thoughtful and extremely interesting thread and I cannot find anything to disagree with any posts here.

What I find fascinating, is the control of in some cases, great numbers of humans, by religious overlords, with the extreme example of people committing suicide in the name of their religion, however this is not unique to mainstream religion as I'm sure many of you know.

The study of cults showcases in microcosm the mechanics of mind control precisely.

To any sane outsider looking in, an impossibly flawed situation exists and the unhealthy control of the group is obvious but to those ensconced inside, the situation seems perfectly normal and tolerably (to those in control, or those in the ecstasy of belief) or oppressed and unhappy but shackled by the fear of what is supposed to happen if they flee and in older cults the dislocation and shunning by their immediate family.

I think the problem is a flaw we all possess, blind belief.

Listen enough to the prophet who instructs you to give up your better instincts and "surrender to" or "let him in" and "give yourself to the.......... " (fill in the space here of someone deemed superhuman) and you run the risk of being brainwashed to the point of no return.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."

Friedrich Nietzsche
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 8/11/2014 2:07:05 AM
In Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) had given the Yazidi people a deadline of midday Sunday to convert to Islam or die. People who have escaped claim ISIS executed at least 500 Yazidis after overrunning Sinjar. Many, including women and children, were buried alive in mass graves. They have also taken at least 300 Yazidi women as slaves. Presently they are being held at a police station, but fears abound that the women will soon be taken out of the country.

In Mosul residents were ordered to convert to Islam or pay $250 a month. If they did not obey, they faced execution. Later ISIS militants in Iraq revoked tax as an option and are now saying convert or die.

ISIS has placed heads of victims on stakes in towns they have captured, as well as posting gruesome videos of executions online. ISIS claims Iraq is now an Islamic caliphate, empowering them to demand convert or die. Pope Francis prayed today about the situation in his weekly address, mentioned the tragedy saying, “All of this deeply offends God and deeply offends humanity.”

KHALED Sharrouf’s son, a child raised in the suburbs of Sydney Australia , struggles with both arms to hold up the decapitated head of a slain Syrian soldier.

"That's my Boy".....


Religion into the bliss of insanity !!!!
 VANEST55
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Posted: 8/30/2014 4:10:19 PM
baffalobill on 6/24/2014 655 PM

''Religion is like 2 preschool children fighting in the playground over a imaginary friend...
Unfortunately when they grow up they have guns and machete's to fight each other with...

Seriously are we all heading towards the bliss of insanity???''

Before you pass definitive comments on a most profound existential subject such as

intelligent design may I suggest that you actually consider reading what you write and

then examining it's content for logic and rationality?

The subscribers to this thread appear to resemble a loose group of 'prosletysing' atheists

with their usual agenda of attempting to ridicule and belittle every other individual who may

have a different opinion to themselves.

It is incumbent on the individual that proposes a comment that He/She declares to be factual to

provide the relative proof positive to support the assertion.

Alternately,Perhaps the 'bliss of insanity' that is referred to in the comment should be marked

succinctly 'return to sender'.

The leader of our great country has recently said that it is ok to be a bigot but I believe that for peace,

stability and tolerance with strict adherence to the laws of our land we need to take special account of our

comments, given the violent hate speech actions of extremists and bigots (of all extraction) throughout

the world in recent times.
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:37:27 AM
Britain faces the “greatest and deepest” terror threat in the country’s history, David Cameron warned as he pledged emergency measures to tackle extremists.

The UK threat level was raised to “severe” — its second highest — meaning that a terrorist attack is “highly likely” in light of the growing danger from British jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria..........



Hampshire police have obtained a European warrant for the arrest of the parents of five-year-old Ashya King, after they removed him from hospital while he was being treated for a life-threatening tumour.

Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead said the warrant was obtained on the grounds of neglect but would be used only as a last resort.

He said officers "would much prefer for them to come forward voluntarily".

The move came as the search for boy widened to Spain yesterday, after it emerged Ashya’s parents Brett King, 51, and Naghemeh King, 45, own a property in the country.


Mr and Mrs King – who are Jehovah’s Witnesses – boarded a cross-Channel ferry from Portsmouth to Cherbourg with Ashya’s six siblings after removing him from hospital.

 Moon_Rocket
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:28:00 AM

Mr and Mrs King – who are Jehovah’s Witnesses – boarded a cross-Channel ferry from Portsmouth to Cherbourg with Ashya’s six siblings after removing him from hospital.


Exactly! It is not just murdering radicalized women hating Muslims that are the problem, ALL religions are based on a fairy story in one way or another. VANEST55 writes "Seriously are we all heading towards the bliss of insanity???'' Seriously? Yes, unless more of us use our brain to reject this control that 'religion' of all natures seeks (successfully) to have over (some of) us.

VANEST55 also writes, "It is incumbent on the individual that proposes a comment that He/She declares to be factual to
provide the relative proof positive to support the assertion." May we propose that this apply to you, and all fanatics as well? (not that I am accusing you of being a fanatic but fanaticism appears in many forms)

I really think that people like Vanest55 should sit for a long while naked, to stare into the abyss of their navel, and see if their navel starts to stare back at him. In his case it probably would and while sitting and pondering if a voice, real or imagined says, "Give yourself to him," or "surrender to your Saviour" or even purrs, "you are nothing without accepting his love" Run VANEST55 run like buggery and don't look back, for once you do surrender your mind to another who suggests you do, you are giving control of your life to another.

Not me buddy, I have found God and it's me.

Wanna join up? I'll only tithe you 5% of your wages, that's a bargain in todays market!
 VANEST55
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:47:47 PM
OP:Consider the complementary Proposition :atheists and agnostics do not commit vile
and horrendous acts and you immediately have a contradiction. The atheist Stalin
murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent lives with his purges and the atrocities
committed by the politburos of the Peoples Republic of China commencing with Mao
Zedong are classic instances where atheists have acted horrendously. This does not
necessarily mean that the great majority of atheists are not good, decent and law abiding
citizens.

Outlawed ‘bikie’ gangs with personalized jackets and tattoos removed will not
necessarily change their behaviour; they will in all probability continue to offend and in
all cases we the people will refer to the secular law enforcement agencies to strictly
extract penalties from transgressors. It is important to emphasize that we do not spread
Vile hate speech but rather refer to our secular laws for redress. All excesses be they by
atheists or by religiously motivated individuals are subjected to the same secular laws.
It is ‘blind’ to the individual’s personal belief system.

Any further examples of religious extremism can easily be countered with examples of
excesses by atheists; the resultant outcome would be pointless.

There is actually an atheist on this thread that believes he is ‘god’; yet he is unable to
distinguish a ‘quote’ from a ‘comment’. Attempting to carry out a simple “monkey see
monkey do” exercise in English comprehension he ‘fails’ at the first jump.

It is a basic textbook ploy (psych.1 ch:1) to resort to bluster and obfuscation when unable
to provide proof positive for an assertion; thus resulting in the individual ‘displaying the
mentality of a retarded ant’ or perhaps acting like a pretentious fool. The projection of
one’s insecurities in this manner is often employed by bullies; often for self gratification.

Obfuscate, by all means but unless proof positive is provided I maintain that this thread
(By any rational assessment) is on an atheist’s ‘proselytizing’ mission.
 gingerosity
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Posted: 9/2/2014 1:47:16 AM

Consider the complementary Proposition :atheists and agnostics do not commit vile and horrendous acts and you immediately have a contradiction.

Rejection of authoritarianism and superstition are necessary but not sufficient conditions for virtuous and moral behaviour. There is no contradiction.

The atheist Stalin murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent lives with his purges and the atrocities committed by the politburos of the Peoples Republic of China commencing with Mao Zedong are classic instances where atheists have acted horrendously. This does not necessarily mean that the great majority of atheists are not good, decent and law abiding citizens.

That's right, it only means that widespread credulity and servility are easily exploited to the detriment of humanity. Skepticism and rational enquiry are the enemy of barbarism and theocracy in all its guises... from primitive superstition to modern dictatorship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUqcd7xbb4A

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." - Voltaire

unless proof positive is provided I maintain that this thread (By any rational assessment) is on an atheist’s ‘proselytizing’ mission.

MR already pointed out the irony of this request for proof in terms of the broader disagreement between those who accept only what can be demonstrated by reason and evidence, and those who believe based on something called 'faith'.

Irony aside, no thinking person will disagree with you that the challenging of assertions and refinement of ideas which you propose is the true source of our enlightenment. I suggest you be more specific in which assertions you are challenging to get a more specific response.
 VANEST55
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Posted: 9/5/2014 5:39:52 PM
gingerosity on 9/2/2014 716 PM


THE COMPLEMENTARY SET IS EQUAL TO THE UNIVERSAL SET WHEN THE SUBSET IS AN EMPTY SET.
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS LIVING IN AUSTRALIA WITH SOUND MIND AND PRACTISING THE PRECEPTS
OF THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM ARE UNLIKELY TO SUDDENLY MASSACRE THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF
HAPLESS INDIVIDUALS.IT IS UP TO ANYONE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SUCH AN EVENT IS POSSIBLE.
ADDRESS THE POINT IN QUESTION WITHIN THE CONFINES OF AUSTRALIA AND THE 'CHECKS AND BALANCES' UNDER WHICH WE LIVE.

IF IT CANNOT BE THUS DEMONSTRATED THE SET IS EMPTY AND THE COMPLEMENT OF THE SET
IS ESSENTIALLY THE UNIVERSAL SET IN TERMS OF IT'S ELEMENTS.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ARE EXTRANEOUS TO THE PROPOSITION AND THEREFORE IRRELEVANT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY WRITING 'DIARRHOEA' AND WILL BE IGNORED.
 gingerosity
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:52:45 PM

LAW ABIDING CITIZENS LIVING IN AUSTRALIA WITH SOUND MIND AND PRACTISING THE PRECEPTS
OF THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM ARE UNLIKELY TO SUDDENLY MASSACRE THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF
HAPLESS INDIVIDUALS.IT IS UP TO ANYONE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SUCH AN EVENT IS POSSIBLE.
ADDRESS THE POINT IN QUESTION WITHIN THE CONFINES OF AUSTRALIA AND THE 'CHECKS AND BALANCES' UNDER WHICH WE LIVE.

Nice straw man fallacy there. Who is arguing that is likely to occur here? Not I. Why is that? Because the people are generally well-educated and childhood trauma is low, which means our checks and balances are relatively secure. You may only care about Australians, but as Socrates said: I am a citizen of the world.

Ask yourself: what is a sound mind? How many children from war zones have one of those? Or whose families indoctrinate them in authoritarian and superstitious beliefs inculcating servility, guilt, fear and shame? How many do not develop a sound mind, and instead perpetuate the conflict and abuse they have experienced to the detriment of humanity and civilisation?

For Australia, of course you're assuming the answer in your question. It is the 'checks and balances' of our secular society that need to be defended, and our example upheld. Why do the checks and balances need defending even here? Because they are vulnerable to revision or removal, because not everyone is of sound mind.

Because we are reputed to live in a secular democracy, but this is not entirely true. The elite has far more sway over policies and laws than we care to admit, which means it is vulnerable to lobbying by special interest groups. If there was sufficient means (eg. oil money) and motive (eg. wahhabi proselytising) to invest in the undermining of those checks and balances, the opportunity undoubtedly exists. To counteract special interest groups takes an informed, educated and sizeable majority.

Because even if you assume a true democracy which is invulnerable to special interests, it necessarily implies that what the majority wants, the majority gets. If the majority want the removal of checks and balances, then it shall be done. The value of our secular checks and balances are therefore upheld one debate and one mind at a time.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ARE EXTRANEOUS TO THE PROPOSITION AND THEREFORE IRRELEVANT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY WRITING 'DIARRHOEA' AND WILL BE IGNORED.

Charming.
 VANEST55
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:33:11 PM
gingerosity on 9/6/2014 145 PM



THE SET IS THUS ACCEPTED AS 'EMPTY'.POINT PROVED!

THE END!!!!!!!!!!!
 gingerosity
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:31:07 PM
All I've agreed is that we are not in the middle of catastrophic breakdown of secularism here. That much is self-evident.

I haven't agreed that theocracy and other authoritarian ideologies aren't a global problem that impacts upon all of us, that we don't have a moral duty to refute it whenever possible, or that callousness and complacency are acceptable simply because reason and freedom are currently dominant here. The invention of the jumbo jet, the satellite and the internet mean that global thought now is local thought. We ignore it at our peril.
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 9/19/2014 5:03:11 AM
Sydney / Australia- The Maronite College used to be known as Our Lady of Lebanon College at Harris Park has called for calm after an incident on Tuesday afternoon at 2pm where men believed to be driving a red hatchback unfurled a flag similar to the black flags used by ISIS Jihadists and shouted threats to "kill the Christians! Slaughter their children."

The flag they waved was covered in Arabic writing, and like many of the flags carried by ISIS militants in their ruthless advance across Syria and Iraq, proclaimed "there is only one God and Muhammad is the prophet."

The only witness to the ugly threats against Christians was Sister Margaret Gnosh who is on the staff of the school and who happened to be outside the College gates when the hatchback drove past.


My question!!!

Were are the "Out Spoken Voicers' of the Greens and Civil Libertarians who so called "Represent and are suppose to promote Tolerance/ Understanding and condemn these Vile hostile acts on this matter ????

All of a sudden code of silence...... Greens and Civil Libertarians "must not offended ethnic minorities" ........
Greens and Civil Libertarians now mute ...
 gingerosity
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My question!!! Where are the outspoken voices of the Greens and the Civil libertarians on this matter ????

Threats or incitements to kill people are unacceptable - it goes without saying in a modern society. It is totally uncontroversial, so I don't know what you're trying to get at here. The alleged threats would be unacceptable no matter who made them, and no matter who they were made against. The legal system will deal with the matter accordingly.

The fact that the media jumps up and down about things already covered by existing laws doesn't mean we have to let their sensationalism alter our brain chemistry. My advice is to save your concern for the real issues and resist getting distracted by such trivia.
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 9/19/2014 5:55:59 AM
My question!!!

Were are the "Out Spoken Voicers' of the Greens and Civil Libertarians who so called "Represent and are suppose to promote Tolerance/ Understanding and condemn these Vile hostile acts on this matter ????

All of a sudden code of silence...... Greens and Civil Libertarians "must not offended ethnic minorities" ........
Greens and Civil Libertarians now mute ...


Yes that is my question ???

But you could not answer ...
 gingerosity
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Yes that is my question ???

But you could not answer ...

Sigh. What part of "goes without saying" don't you understand?

Ask yourself why others should waste their time and energy condemning specific thugs and criminals just to satisfy your demand to do so, when they have never condoned it and actually frequently condemn such behaviour generally. You think they don't have better things to do than play 'Simon Says' with you?

If you want to get further into it, at least do some research on core issues and don't waste people's time with minutiae. Here, I'll even help you get started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CGFMwtJTyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE
 Dee4166
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:53:14 AM

Religion doesn't lead to insanity, insanity leads to religion. Religion doesn't cause people to want to fight and control each other, it's that people who want to fight and control each other invent and use tools such as religions to justify doing so. We are all neurotic, tool-using, pattern-seeking apes. Always have been and always will be. So no, the skies aren't falling down becuase ape fights are reported to us so quickly and comprehensively now. On the contrary, the acceleration of the spread of information and ideas is demystifying superstitious beliefs faster than ever before.


Don't quote me on this, and maybe it's just religious propaganda BUT...aren't religions, such as Islam, actually seeing a SURGE in popularity/new converts???
For myself, I tend to agree with ginger.... as that is what history shows us. Catholicism came about in order, LARGELY, to pacify the masses and bring a different kind of "order"to mainly tribal societies at the time. The BEST way to calm down an imminent revolution of the poor and the slaves is to convince them that there's an Afterlife where ALL of their heart's desires will be fulfilled, right? Variations of this "theme"exist in ALL religions...Many pagan religions came about for the same reasons, after all, Kings, Queens and other dictators need ALL the help they can GET,(!?!) and also to provide explanations for many of the things in our world that we didn't understand, before the dawn of Science.
I was raised, such as it was, as a Catholic, but have no religion at the moment.
For myself, I have NO problem if somebody wants to practice their religion, PEACEFULLY...AND doesn't force it on others. I feel that is a personal relationship with your Creator that should be specific to YOU, and that using any kind of MASS religious dogma really just comes down to an attempt at control by SOMEONE, somewhere.
As for the extremists. hypocrites, megalomaniacs, etc. , well those can be found in EVERY religion, without exception. The reason for that is very simply that it's human nature, or the "ape" revealing itself.
Do I want to have a religious debate about the merits v the pitfalls of religion as a whole? Well that would take a much bigger forum! lol
Suffice it to say that I can clearly see the comfort that religion provides for many people, as well as guidance and solace when Life kicks the sh!t out of them. So I can't say that's a BAD thing...
But personally, for ME, I liken it to a bedtime story for children who are afraid of the dark. It provides simplistic explanations to complicated problems. Jesus may very well have been a charismatic schizophrenic who was able to convince others of the validity of his visions. Nothing more,nothing less. The same argument could be made for Mohammed, etc. I personally feel that most folks find the prospect daunting to face their mortality, find explanations for what injustice they see in the world, and just plain think in a critical manner, for THEMSELVES. It's MUCH easier to have someone else TELL you what to think, do and BE.
To create your own values, and decide what YOU believe and to be SOLELY responsible for how you manifest those things in the world, can be a VERY scary prospect!
 gingerosity
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Don't quote me on this, and maybe it's just religious propaganda BUT...aren't religions, such as Islam, actually seeing a SURGE in popularity/new converts???

Not that I'm aware of. Do you have data more recent than 2010? That is the most recent I can find.

In the century until 2010 it is Atheism and Agnosticism that grew the most, by far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest_growing_religion#Historical_growth

Globally, Islam is perhaps growing fastest right at the moment, but even it is actually slowing as birth control becomes more widely adopted.

"From 1990 to 2010, the global Muslim population increased at an average annual rate of 2.2%, compared with the projected rate of 1.5% for the period from 2010 to 2030."

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the-future-of-the-global-muslim-population/

See the second graph in the above link. 'Not-muslim' is decelerating at roughly the same rate as 'muslim' is, it's just that 'muslim' had a higher starting point. It certainly doesn't support the idea of a SURGE in Islam's popularity/new converts.

The conversions rates are thought to only be approximately sufficient to replace apostates.

"Statistical data on conversion to and from Islam are scarce. What little information is available suggests that there is no substantial net gain or loss in the number of Muslims through conversion globally; the number of people who become Muslims through conversion seems roughly equal to the number of Muslims who leave the faith. As a result, this report does not include any estimated future rate of conversions as a direct factor in the projections of Muslim population growth."

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-related-factors/#conversion
 Dee4166
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:37:00 AM
@ginger...
thanks for the links...am going to check those out....
 Despickabill
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:02:02 PM
Instead of looking into the eyes of the wolf ,look into its soul. People only see what they think their looking at.
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Posted: 10/11/2014 2:27:47 AM

But if we look at observation in nature we'll find in smash repairs industry many clients are repeat clients. Many of the same drivers have repeated collisions under a variety of conditions.


Um, could you tell me the relation of an observation in nature, in relation to the smash repair industry?

Also, what research has given the figures for your statement that many clients in the smash repair industry are repeat clients? Some might be, but many clients?
 Baffalobill
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:54:27 AM
Think about it for a minute ....In todays world people are murdering other people over some stupid cartoons all about a bunch of Prehistoric Fairytales / Nightmares !!!!

The World really has gone mad ...

December 2014 in Sydney's CBD a man takes 17 hostages and murders 2 and himself in a siege ..This same man yrs. earlier was responsible for sending out hate mail to families of deceased servicemen / women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Now Authorities learn Man Haron Monis was also part of the extreme Hizb ut-Tahrir ...He had previously been granted refugee status in Australia...

Go figure .....????


Now tonight we have a extreme Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir who have been banned in pretty much all other Western countries holding a rally at Lakemba Sydney. Subjects include...How to deal with those Insulting the Prophet , Having a Muslim Military Force, and Installing Sharia Law in the West....

Were is the Australian Federal Government and Opposition party in all of this ????
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