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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 4
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We, humans, need to be stopped,


But you wouldn't wanna be 1 of those humans, right?
You prefer to see 1000's perish
but you (of course) feel so privileged that you should be left safe and sound


and allowing ebola to do it to us would be a cheap and easy way.


and who would "allow" that?
Even if it were "allowed", Ebola would never kill as many as you think (or wish for)
Its killed pple in W African countries because of very poor healthcare and sanitary conditions
Ebola has been around for years

Unlike the plague or the Flu, it is not airborne
The Flu kills tens of 1000's of pple world wide, yearly
only a powerful airborne virus can cause massive casualties in a short time

so make sure you get your Flu shot
I'm sure you wuldn't wanna be one of those pple to get killed off
in an effort to save the Green-earth, would you now!
 You_Keep_Alive
Joined: 9/10/2014
Msg: 5
Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 3:19:17 AM
I was thinking global warming was more likely to kill Ebola.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
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Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 4:56:10 AM
The earth is mostly all blue, not green.
Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 4:58:05 AM
I thought ebola was an electronic email attachment thingy named after some kind of throwing weapon. That what yer talkin bout?
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 5:56:42 AM
Wow, hate humans much? I am disappointed in humanity too, but i wouldn't wish ebola on anyone (well, maybe confirmed pedophiles, but they don't count as human). There is a lot easier and humane way to control the human population. It's called a "contraceptive". condoms, birth control, vesectomy, etc.

Humans do not matter in the long run anyways, the only thing we can do is kill ourselves. Earth will survive either with us or without us.
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:08:40 AM
OP, you've got it the wrong way around. Poor health and low life expectancy correlates with breeding younger and in greater quantities. Better health and higher life expectancy correlates with breeding later and in lower quantities.

If you want to reduce the population in a way that won't make things worse in the long run, you need to improve health and education rather than increase death by disease.

"Be the change you want to see in the world"

Technically the one without the children (OP) has an edge in the 'living by example for population control' stakes, but yes, utilitarian arguments piss me off too.
 CressB
Joined: 7/1/2011
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Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 6:41:12 AM
Humans do not matter in the long run anyways, the only thing we can do is kill ourselves. Earth will survive either with us or without us.


I actually don't think that there is much that the earth could through at us, at this point, that could actually "kill us", as in extinct. The earth works to slowly in that respect. By the time the earth mustered a truly mortal blow to us, we would have already adapted to be able to survive in some other way. The understanding of genetics/cloning, our ability to go subterrainan or into space, air filtration, water purification/filtration and many many other things, pretty much guarantees our immunity from the earth's natural cycles. At this point I don't even think that it would be possible to truly kill our selves, outside of some kind of major mishap that completely destroys the planet (creation and lost control of a black hole on earth; lost containment of some new/not well enough understood energy source, resulting in an enormous explosion that devistates the planet) but I think that this is highly unlikely.

This thread is an obvious troll post; don't feed the trolls people. And even if it is not a troll, it is a truly sad and pathetic person we are dealing with here. In either case the attention will only encourage them, and reason is obviously already lost on them.
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 7:44:08 AM
" At this point I don't even think that it would be possible to truly kill our selves, outside of some kind of major mishap that completely destroys the planet (creation and lost control of a black hole on earth-CressB

Actually, it wouldnt be that dramatic. That super strain of influenza that was just engineered a few years ago would do the trick quite well. That **** makes ebola look like a case of the sniffles. An almost gauranteed mortality rate of over 99% and super infectious to boot. That is a bad mamma jamma right there. Granted that is a man manipulated virus, but it was an experiment in what a virus can do and what are the conditions that would make such a virus come about naturally. Humans are hardly the top of the food chain were nature is concerned. Entire species die all the time, us humans are nothing special.
 CressB
Joined: 7/1/2011
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Posted: 10/1/2014 8:34:29 AM
^^^ humans are special: there is no other species on earth or in earths history that even comes close to being as adaptable as us. As far as your super bug goes it would still not be enough to drive us to extinction. Even with a mortality rate of 99.9% that would still leave more than seven million survivors. Not only that but a virus would be a very ineffective way of going about attempting to cause the extinction of a species such as humans. There is more than one way to combat viruses (i.e. finding a cure or vacination is not the most effective way to combat a virus). Isolation is the most effective way to kill a virus. Several years in subterrainan isolation and the shunning of all but those who are varified not to be infected would be more than enough to kill even the most aggressive super bug. Not only this, but although the initial mortality rate over time may be very high, as the population becomes thinned out contraction of the disease will fall precipitously over time: the less human interaction there is the less often the disease can be spread. This would give survivors the time necessary to organize and isolate themselves.

Let's say that the virus is animal born. Well, this can also be gotten around quite easily with cloning as a substitute food source, then isolation from the carrier animal once humans return to the surface. If the virus is avian born, then quite a few extra precautions may need to be taken for a return to the surface. But I am sure that it is not something we couldn't handle.

Like I said, I don't think that there is anything that the planet could through at us that would cause us the go extinct.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
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Posted: 10/1/2014 9:28:18 AM

Like I said, I don't think that there is anything that the planet could through at us that would cause us the go extinct.


Over 98% of documented species are now extinct, and extinction level events occur with regular frequency.

Basically caused by 3 different mechanisms.

Flood basalt: events caused by giant volcanic eruptions.
Sea-level falls: Things like global cooling and a sinking of the mid-ocean ridges
Impact events: Large asteroid hitting the earth.

{In the 1970s, global cooling as all the rage, it does happen when there are slow, cyclical changes in the orbit of the earth, this is due to happen "soon". Which means in couple of 1000 years.}

Life on earth has gone through many mass extinctions, they had nothing to do with people. People may cause some planetary changes, but they are minor compared to what nature can cause.

The big one is a supernova within 100 light years of earth with the potential to destroy all life.
Ebola may just be the saviour of mankind and of Mother Earth
Posted: 10/1/2014 9:47:36 AM

you've got it the wrong way around. Poor health and low life expectancy correlates with breeding younger and in greater quantities. Better health and higher life expectancy correlates with breeding later and in lower quantities.

If you want to reduce the population in a way that won't make things worse in the long run, you need to improve health and education rather than increase death by disease

Worth posting yet again.
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:40:53 AM
"The big one is a supernova within 100 light years of earth with the potential to destroy all life."-dragonbits

Personally, I am waiting for the sun to reach red giant stage in about 2 billion years. Earth will fizzle like a drop of water hitting a red hot frying pan. That is if a rogue asteroid/comet/planetoid doesn't hit us first. Then there is a supervolcano I keep hearing about under yosemite national park. If that thing blows...well... lets just hope a meteor hits us first...
 CressB
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:12:29 AM
Over 98% of documented species are now extinct, and extinction level events occur with regular frequency.


This is highly irrelevant to my point.

Well let's start with your "big one".

"The big one is a supernova within 100 light years of earth with the potential to destroy all life."


A near-Earth supernova is an explosion resulting from the death of a star that occurs close enough to the Earth (roughly less than 100 light-years away) to have noticeable effects on its biosphere.

On average, a supernova explosion occurs within 10 parsecs (33 light-years) of the Earth every 240 million years. Gamma rays are responsible for most of the adverse effects a supernova can have on a living terrestrial planet. In Earth's case, gamma rays induce a chemical reaction in the upper atmosphere, converting molecular nitrogen into nitrogen oxides, depleting the ozone layer enough to expose the surface to harmful solar and cosmic radiation. Phytoplankton and reef communities would be particularly affected, which could severely deplete the base of the marine food chain.


So, turns out, not such a big deal, not something we can't overcome with cloning and subterranean isolation. Plus your scale of 100 light years is also off: "to have noticeable effects on its biosphere". "Noticeable effects" does not equate to "extinction level event".

So let's take a look at your other ideas.


Basically caused by 3 different mechanisms.

Flood basalt: events caused by giant volcanic eruptions.
Sea-level falls: Things like global cooling and a sinking of the mid-ocean ridges
Impact events: Large asteroid hitting the earth.


Super volcanos: can be overcome by subterranean isolation and cloning.

Global warming/cooling: see above.

Impact events: now this is really the only thing that you have listed that actually has real potential to wipe us out, but it is also out side the parameters of the statement that I made: "Like I said, I don't think that there is anything that the planet could through at us that would cause us the go extinct", but let's take a look at it all the same.

Currently we watch half the sky on a very regular basis. This "half the sky" turns into a full view of the solar system on a yearly basis. This is pretty good, but it could be better. So there are curtain things we know: there are no very large objects (planetoids, massive asteroids) in the solar system currently in danger of falling into to inner solar system that we know of, and that is actually saying quite a bit. We get yearly reports of the full state of the solar system, and as it would take many years for an object to travel from the Kuiper Belt or Oort Cloud into the inner solar system, t is very unlike that any kind of massive stellar body is currently on a collision course with us without our knowledge. But lets say that something did get nudged inward, something large. Most stellar bodies from the outer reaches of the solar system are largely composed of ice, and a great deal smaller than the moon. It is greatly to our advantage that these objects are composed of ice, and that we would have such a great deal if time (in all likely hood) to combat the threat. The most probable way to divert any large stellar body of this kind would be to launch a series of focusing mirrors into deep space (as probes) to intercept the body and focus the energy of the sun on to the surface of the body, thus melting the ice and creating many steam vents as propellant jets in order to redirect to course of the body. During the interim of construction of these mirrors we could send a massive fleet of successive nuclear warheads to intercept to body continuously exploding near the body and slowly pushing it in the desired direction.

We could go into smaller stellar bodies but this is really to similar to super volcanos to warrant the need for further exploration.

The real threat I think, however, is interstellar bodies as opposed to stellar bodies, such as, rouge planets or brown dwarfs. These objects (and we think that there are many out there) even if they did not collide with us, they could still cause massive upset to the stability the solar system, and in particular, potentially disturb our orbit or the orbit of other planetary bodies in the solar system: worse case scenario, we get thrown out of the solar system, dive into the sun or collide with another massive stellar body, like a planet, or maybe the interstellar body drags in a whole bunch of debris from the outer reaches of the solar system. All of these things are far more likely to wipe us out than any single stellar object, and they still have a very slim chance of happening.

Anyway...

I know a lot about all the variables involved behind the statement I made. You guys listing the variables I already know about is not going to make me suddenly change my mind and recant my statement.
 Consensuality
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:18:51 AM
All Ebola is going to do is kill a few thousands Africans which is a drop in the bucket compared to what's left. It will cause them awful pain while they're dying so you have that to look forward to lili
 DragonBits
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:47:05 AM

This is highly irrelevant to my point.

Well let's start with your "big one".


I was trying to cover both points, that mankind is such a burden on the planet when in reality species have been going extinct well before we arrived on the scene. As well as saying there are some natural events that are beyond our ability to control and that could wipe out 90% of us.

But I agree with you, it's doubtful that we can go extinct as a species, even these global extinction events would likely leave 5-10% of humans alive to repopulate the world. An event would likely have to wipe out all life on earth to kill us off as a species.
 basilisk123
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:12:52 PM
lilliputtian, aren't you being over sensitive here? You have no right to complain, none of us do. Of course you are gonna get flamed by making such an insensitive remark.

Yes, ebola is a natural thing that will kill people and animals. It is as natural as a wildfire destroying underbrush and everything that makes its home there.

It is not something to be called "savior of mankind" however. Would you call a pack of wolves eating a healthy rabbit, "the rabbit's savior"?

This virus is killing people and destroying entire communities and threatening society with panic. There are alot of crying fathers, mothers, and children over there right now. This disease is one of the most painful and horrific. your organs turn themselves to mush while you are still alive. Consider the toddler patient 0 who started this epidemic when all he did wrong was being hungry enough to eat a fruit. Consider his mother and father who had to bury their child, just to find out they were next on the list. Think on that alittle. Then come back and tell me you consider this disease may be your savior.
 Eric_Summit
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Posted: 10/2/2014 5:34:24 PM

Posted by Lilliputtian:
"Ebola may just be the saviour of the environment, Green Earth, and mankind."

Why do you wish a painful and horrific death to billions of innocents via the Ebola virus?
 basilisk123
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Posted: 10/2/2014 7:17:14 PM
Hmm, if I was gonna make a virus that would end humanity, I would make it the "orgasm virus".

All Big O's, all the time!
Just a thought...
maybe I watch too much porn...

>_>
<_<
...naahhh.
 Eternityboresme
Joined: 8/20/2014
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:39:56 AM
Lilliputian,

why havent you availed yourself as one of these vital sacrifices for the sake of the planet?
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 10/3/2014 12:37:34 PM
On the positive side. If this did happen and you survived at least you'd get to do a lot of re populating.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:36:18 PM
If you look at humanity itself as a product of nature, your logic follows to the tune of claiming that if a human being has been diagnosed with cancer, it would be best not to try and cure it.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:15:38 AM
It is helpful the OP returned to the thread to advise he or she is posting under two different aliases.
That still does not clarify why he or she feels a horrific and painful disease is good for humanity.
 basilisk123
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Posted: 10/6/2014 1:31:05 PM
Like whiskeyslicker said, it's just a troll.

If you read both profiles, it pretty much says it in black and white by the writing style.
 fuglygirl
Joined: 8/28/2014
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:13:17 PM
I thought that AIDS was supposed to be the savior? Ah well its time has come and gone
 fuglygirl
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:13:39 PM
I thought that AIDS was supposed to be the savior? Ah well its time has come and gone
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