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 theleathernun
Joined: 7/6/2014
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Teen Pregnancies, Abortions Plunge with Free Birth Control

Teens who received free contraception and were educated about the pros and cons of various birth control methods were dramatically less likely to get pregnant, give birth or get an abortion compared with other sexually active teens, according to a new study.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141001184408.htm

Clearly, "abstinence education", as laughable as it is to call such a thing "education", isn't the answer, as if we didn't already know this.

And, as this shows, excepting contraceptives from insurance plans, is also entirely the wrong way to go if "sexual morality" is your concern. This shows that making the user pay for contraceptives is actually counter-productive while being not the least bit "counter-reproductive".

I guess reality really does have "a liberal bias".
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
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Posted: 10/3/2014 2:50:00 PM
I've strongly expressed this opinion many times in these forums over the years.

To me, it's a "no-brainer". If you really want to see a reduction in the number of abortions performed, then free birth control must be readily available. And I don't mean condoms.

To state that abstinence is the "proper" method shows a complete failure to grasp reality. It's not a reasonable position to take. Human beings are, for the most part, sexual beings.

Unfortunately, I don't believe that studies of any kind will change or enlighten anyone. They will never remove the "blinders".

I just do not understand how any reasonable person can be against abortion AND birth control. And then b!tch about welfare mothers. Well duh...
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:24:51 PM
^^^^You are bang on. I've said the same thing for years. Education and birth control will set you free. It also sets free the tax payer.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:29:36 PM
Something to be said for condoms as well though.The male has to acknowledge his part and responsibility as well as prevent the transmission of disease.I managed with condoms and spermicide in my teens and I went through them plenty.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:58:18 PM
Those on the far right detest the notion of BC being covered by healthplans
yet they harbor disdain for the mothers on public assistance
without realizing that a few $ spent on prevention
would save far more $$ on child care.

Stupidity is
as stupidity does!
 Eternityboresme
Joined: 8/20/2014
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:12:32 AM
^^it's all about controlling women's sexuality and reproduction -- at their discretion. These selfish misogynists want to control females, practically legalize --'legitimize'-- rape, and then expect females to be punished for existing merely as females. The powers-at-be are animals. Anybody who dates/marries such types are idiots.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:37:54 PM
I agree that birth control should be readily available, better to be safe than be a pregnant teen. But I think just throwing birth control at them won't change much of what's been going on. Sex education starts when you have a small child, the child you are teaching to brush their teeth, tie their shoes, wipe front to back, etc., teaching them about their bodies should start at the same time. It's not dirty, it's a body, is has ten fingers and ten toes (usually) and you need to clean behind your ears and wash your butt and rinse well and all that stuff that any normal parent would tell a child. Telling them that they have body parts and what should and shouldn't be happening to them is normal, thinking if they don't know nothing will happen is not only teaching ignorance, it's depriving them of essential information. As they grow they learn more, by the time they are fertile they need to know all of it, not that abstinence angle and hope, but self-esteem, the reason why teenagers shouldn't be having sex, and they should not, and that while there are many forms of birth control, some are safer than others and that condoms only work if used correctly, how to apply lube, all of it, even satisfaction and of course how babies happen and what it's like to care for a newborn, what it's like to have an abortion and what it's like to give up a child for adoption. And that boys are just as responsible for all of it. Teaching boys that it's the girl's problem is neglect on your part as a parent. Teenagers are still growing, from the brain down, some birth control should only be used when it's really needed, I wouldn't just put my daughter on birth control pills and hope for the best. Children need to know about arousal and how they may feel a real need to have sex because our bodies do that to get us to procreate, they need all this info to make healthy & happy decision, not fumble around in the dark wondering it they might get pregnant by french kissing or thinking that if the boy pulls out they are safe.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
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Posted: 10/4/2014 4:00:37 PM
^^^^ I'm thinking that she wasn't referring to you as a misogynist, or your son, or fishing buddy or your brother. My take on it is she is referring to the misogynist men in power - politicians, the pope, religious leaders, religious fanatics, the heads of corporations determining birth control not be paid for in healthcare plans...those types of misogynists - the azzholes with blinders on. That doesn't make her/us man hater b!tches. Just telling it like it is. So you can keep your balls.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2014 5:39:39 PM
Message 10 ...
"Blue" ... I think you meant well with your explanation and I agree. I have to say you may have left out one category when naming "misogynist" people. I think anyone who votes for those people to make such decisions about us are just as misogynistic as the men who get off on the need to control women.

"Eternity" got it right by saying it's all about controlling women's sexuality and reproduction ... at their discretion. Kind of makes you wonder if perhaps they don't want all women to be outfitted with a switch so that every time the guy is in the mood, they can flip our switch and we'll just do anything they want us to do ... you know, even swallow whether we want to or not ... whether it makes us throw up or not. I can't tell you how many threads I've read in here with men who proudly post that they won't even consider dating a woman who won't suck them off and swallow.

Message 9 and anyone else who has the tendency to go off on such a silly rant ...
If you are not a "misogynist" than quit taking it so personally. What "Eternity" wrote was actually spot on for a "misogynist ... I've encountered them and it's not easy.

I'm no longer in need of birth control and will never (in this life) be pregnant again because at the ripe old age of 36 and on my 13th wedding anniversary, I had to have a total hysterectomy. However, I have 3 daughters who are in need of birth control and may even eventually need an abortion for whatever reason. We need those options.

I hate man-hater b000iches who use the word "misogynist" in circumstances where it is not warranted.
In this case, the word was warranted. And by the way, just because a woman uses the word, "misogynist" does not mean she is a "man-hater". I love men and I used the word.

You must have had a very sad childhood, culminating in becoming a very sick adult.
Settle down and help us figure out how we can get affordable birth control for women and help them too when they need an abortion.

You know, if women had more control over not getting pregnant, we wouldn't have so much need for abortions or Welfare help. We still can't control getting raped but we can empower a woman who does get raped and becomes pregnant to make appropriate decisions about the outcome.

If the government won't cooperate, then we need to stop electing the "misogynists" ... stop giving them the power to make our decisions for us.

Not for not recognizing the need, but for not being able to spread the money thin enough to give enough to every need. That's what politicians do, and I recognize that their motivation is NOT misogynism.
Well actually, yes in many cases (unfortunately) it is their motivation.

If you're interested in seeing money go for good purposes, get politically active.

Maybe we need to consider how much money we lose by giving thriving businesses tax cuts. Oil companies come to mind. I don't know if you're American and allowed to vote, but if you are ... please promise us you won't vote for any "misogynist" politicians.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
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Posted: 10/4/2014 5:40:53 PM
OMG. Too funny.

And no, half of all lawmakers are not women nor are half the politicians women nor are half the corporate heads women nor are half the religious leaders women. We are not even close to half. And no, ALL men are not misogynists...not even half.

You see right throught me...laughable at best. I don't hate men, in fact my father was the first person that taught my sister and I that we could do and should go after anything that we wanted and was available to my brothers. A forward thinker for his time. He encouraged me to have a voice and an opinion...something you should try.

I stand by my interpretation of that post. Although I'm not a mind reader or can see right through her like you can, I can have an opinion. Carry on.
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 10/5/2014 10:18:29 AM
Given a real conservative, not Scalia or some other Reagan masquerader, understands the separation of church and state and would recognize the ultimately monumental cost benefit of providing free birth control every guy here that knows what a syllogism grounded in veracity is is compelled to acknowledge misogyny persists and has always been a part of "civilized' culture.

Let's be clear why abortion, birth control, homosexuality, and even suicide are purportedly condemned by God despite the fact there's no documentation whatsoever of God's existence to begin with. Those 4 things are not conducive to population growth and industrial production, which avaricious and self centered "civilization" is predicated upon. Any of us that haven't been emotionally incapacitated by the deceitful cults of many organized religions knows a fertilized zygote is no more than collection of cells and that if viagra is covered by a health plan birth control darn well should be. The hypocrisy of organized religions has not always endured, most of us in the Western World no longer view women as chattle and open to beating, rape, etc. Why it continues to do so with homosexuality and a woman's right to ride herd over her own body is an incredible sadness of unAmerican tripe. As much as the Scalito brothers might honestly wish it were not so we are not a Theocracy, we are a Constitutional Republic and all men, and women are created equal. We should refocus concerns on our own characters and stop trying to impose our own prejudices and mythologies on others.

If you're not a misogynist its pretty simple, don't try and tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her own body. If you're not a misogynist be an American and stop juding others on the basis of words writeen by men, not Gods, centuries ago and then re,written, edited, abridged, censored, etc. by men in the deceitful name of any God.

If you're a citizen of the Republic worry about your community, not your institutionalized and ultimately divisive mythologies.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 10/5/2014 11:10:46 AM
^^^^
That last sentence is a good way of putting it DC.
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
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Posted: 10/5/2014 5:38:09 PM
"Free" birth control ? the correct term is subsidized birth control,the irresponsible always find a way to make others pay for their choices,now they add the insult of calling it "free" as if no one is paying for it...the squeaky wheels get the grease paid for by the wheels that don't squeak and do what wheels are supposed to do.
 cotter
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Posted: 10/5/2014 7:25:38 PM

"Free" birth control ? the correct term is subsidized birth control,the irresponsible always find a way to make others pay for their choices,now they add the insult of calling it "free" as if no one is paying for it...the squeaky wheels get the grease paid for by the wheels that don't squeak and do what wheels are supposed to do.[/quite]I do not understand that statement.

Free or subsidized ... birth control should always be part of a healthcare plan ... especially for women in their reproductive years. What makes them "irresponsible"? It seems to me that using birth control would make any person "responsible". It would be irresponsible to deny people the use of it.

For women who can't afford to pay for healthcare, we used to have help for that with Planned Parenthood ... which I also always donated to. What are poor women supposed to do? We sure can't count on men using protection and many run like Hell when it comes time to pay for the unwanted babies. They don't want the ladies to get an abortion but they don't want to raise the babies either and then b1tch about the women when they go on government help.

What makes people think they are getting it for free or subsidized? Healthcare premiums cost money too. Anyone who is paying into a healthcare program is paying their way. I'm sure all the years I was no longer of childbearing age, when I paid my healthcare premiums, I was helping to pay for birth control for other women. What's wrong with that? While I was of childbearing age, other older folks were paying their healthcare premiums and I'm sure my needs were being met in the same way. I stopped needing birth control at the age of 36 but have been paying for health insurance anyways and I'm sure I was financing others' birth control just as others helped finance mine (when I needed it).

Women (and men) needed Planned Parenthood ... it also helped men. They can get tested for cancer there, they can get vasectomies there, they can get treated for STD's there, those who ask can get free condoms since men also need "protection" when they're sexually active. I always designated my donations to help needy women who needed abortions. There are a lot of women who get raped and need help.

I wonder, when men want to do away with abortion in the case of rape, do they think we need to be more assertive and tell the guy to stop first and put on a condom before they rape us? I often wonder when men want to do away with women having access to birth control, are they willing to contribute towards a fund that will pay for raising all unwanted babies? Are they willing to contribute to a fund that will pay for the birthing process and all the prenatal care? Are they willing to pay for the time the lady has to take off work before and after having the baby? Are they willing to do all that?

I think every child has a right to be wanted and loved. What's wrong with giving more children that option by giving the women who are forced to bear them the option of having a child when they want it and will be able to love it?

^^^Yeah, those darned high schoolers need to go get a job and pay for their own bc.
Yeah ... kick those naughty teens off their parent's healthcare plans and make them go live under a bridge in between working at the fast food restaurant so they can raise their baby on their lovely minimum wage salaries ... or not. They could also just leave the unwanted babies in some bathroom trash can somewhere too. That's what desperate teens have been known to do.
 theleathernun
Joined: 7/6/2014
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Posted: 10/5/2014 7:30:50 PM

"Free" birth control ?

Yes, free, as in the user doesn't pay for it regardless of whether they squeak or simply squeal about it.

now they add the insult of calling it "free" as if no one is paying for it

Do you imagine that you will be getting a bill in the mail demanding full payment for x number of prescriptions or cases of condoms that you won't get to use?
 laika100
Joined: 9/15/2014
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Posted: 10/5/2014 7:43:33 PM
Even if it's free, it comes at a price. Do you know how long the wait for a BC refill is at planned parenthood? You pretty much have to arrive at 8 am when they open and stay there past noon. No wonder, so many teenagers would rather pop out kids and get stds than be informed. These clinics need to be better regulated. I don't even know if they work at all in there. I have worked retail at a pharmacy and the longest anybody waited was 20 minutes.
 Strings6
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Posted: 10/6/2014 4:58:28 AM
Typical responses I expected from the entitlement crowd...its always somebody else's job to clean up somebody else's mess...responsibility is and should be an option for some and a duty for others,as the numbers of people who chose to be irresponsible increase while the other dwindles we will be well on our way to the "free" ride utopia many are looking for.....condom sales (for those who pay) were about 430 million dollars last year...but hey that's pocket change when it's "free"...and when you are stupid enough to believe that tax payer funded things do not cost you anything or are part of the population that doesn't pay taxes and is not concerned about the cost of anything since they don't pay for anything with money that actually belongs to them.

Simple responsibility for one's own life is fast becoming an alien concept and is on display here,anyone who suggest that people are responsible for themselves is more and more in the minority among the clamor for "free" stuff and gimme gimme.

The other aspect of this issue is that parents who could easily afford to often don't want to pay for birth control for their kids because they don't want them having sex...solution,the tax payer pays for it and,if you will pardon the expression,screw what the parents want...another brick in the construction of the great society LOL
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:57:54 AM
I would much rather pay for condoms and birth control pills for a teenage couple for a year than pay what it is for the couple, plus a baby, to be on welfare for a year. Do the math. I'd rather pay a little than a lot. It's not ALL teenagers or the poor that we have to subsidize, it's "some".

And yes, there are stupid parents out there that think if they provide birth control for their teenager that they are condoning premarital sex - they have their heads in the sand.
 theleathernun
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Posted: 10/6/2014 2:35:46 PM

Do the math. I'd rather pay a little than a lot. It's not ALL teenagers or the poor that we have to subsidize, it's "some".

But, but, then they wouldn't have any excuse to squeal about "the stupid entitlement crowd". You want them to be all logical and smart about it without realizing that this would only expose the lack of thought that goes into all the squealing.

It is so much easier to call people "entitled" and "stupid" than actually apply any real thought to the process. That's the difference between "low information" and "no information".
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:10:49 PM
Message 22 ...
... responsibility is and should be an option for some and a duty for others,
Which ones have the "option" to be responsible and which ones have a "duty" to be responsible. If you can't articulate or refuse to articulate on that then you are just trolling.

My daughter has worked for years and paid taxes for years and never asked for any kind of special help. She got "T-boned" in an automobile accident that was not her fault and will eventually get a settlement, but can't work right now related to injuries she sustained and is trying to take care of herself.

She applied for unemployment but got only the minimum. She applied for Welfare and food stamps but was declined since her income for the prior three months was too plentiful to qualify her. Her income is currently "ZERO" but she still doesn't qualify for Welfare because she has a small IRA and she's been dipping into that to pay rent but she has no medical insurance because she has no job and no income. Thankfully, her son's medical needs are covered by his father's insurance but for a while after the divorce, he let that lapse and just left all expenses of raising his son to my daughter. She stepped up and took care of her son ... still does.

She did finally get food stamps but it's only $100.00 per month for 2 ... my grandson also lives with her and they have labor laws that prevent him from getting a job at age 12. She is of childbearing age. How should she obtain affordable birth control? Your ilk had all the Planned Parenthood clinics closed down. Forget that ... I'll pay for her birth control as I have done for others even when I was no longer able to bear children.

How is she supposed to feed her child and put a roof over his head? Keep in mind that she has been paying taxes for close to 18 years ... she entered the work force at the age of 16. What has she ever done to deserve no help? What has she ever done to have to sustain such disdain from someone the likes of you?

As soon as they were old enough to work, all four of my children have gone to work ... have never looked for any kind of "free ride Utopia" (as you put it) and now when one desperately needs help, we have people of your ilk out there labeling them as "freeloaders" or "irresponsible" with their hands out looking for a "gimme gimme".

Who the hell are you to pass judgement on peoples' circumstances that you know nothing about ... but you're in here trolling with your stupid talk?

My daughter is used to paying her way and would be more than willing to pay her way if she was able to. She paid into unemployment for many, many years and was only allowed to collect help for 13 weeks ... thanks to your kind. What has she done to deserve that?

I'm not a member of "the entitlement crowd" ... in fact I don't know anyone who is. I strongly believe everyone should pay their own way but sometimes things happen and they just can't. That should be covered by the taxes they have paid into ... the taxes I pay into. My daughter paid a whole lot more into unemployment than she ever received. She paid into it and she deserves to take advantage of that. That is not an "entitlement" ... that is her money!

Today is the 9th anniversary of my son's death but if he were still alive, he'd be working and paying his way as well. One of my daughters is in the Air Force ... pulling her fair share of the load and paying her fair share of taxes. My oldest daughter is a real estate broker and also pulls her fair share of the load and pays heavily into taxes. None of them have ever had to fall back on collecting their legally paid into unemployment benefits. The way I look at it, there should be plenty there for their sister to draw on.

The same goes for birth control when people who pay their medical premiums and never ever have to ask to have birth control paid for. The insurance companies cash in based on perhaps .... PERHAPS having to pay for the birth control but for those of us who never cash in on that benefit, there should be plenty of money there for others to get if they need it.

For crying out loud ... some people are so full of sh1t they need a dulcolax IV!
 Xray86
Joined: 2/2/2012
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:57:16 PM
I never had sex when I was a teenager. What's your excuse?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
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Posted: 10/7/2014 3:51:59 AM
@Il Capitano
I have a son who just turned 20,many young women appear to be quite eager to become pregnant and drop the bomb on them.This is why I advocate the use of condoms for the males.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 5/16/2016 10:33:03 AM
So the Supreme Court, unanimously, threw out rulings requiring religious employers to provide birth control or face fines.
 dreamon4u
Joined: 4/20/2016
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Posted: 5/16/2016 10:43:44 AM
Wise move. That is probably why they get relatively smart people on the SC.

You don't like so much as a free lunch do you Dee?

My friend has a doctor that won't prescribe birth control pills, he asks you to book an appt. with his partner in practise. The thing is, this same doctor doesn't have a problem with prescribing Oxy and Perc to my friend so she is hooked like a junkie. Idiots. So yes, maybe sometimes a decision from smart folks needs to over rule the fools and bigots.
 raisehill
Joined: 5/2/2016
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Posted: 5/16/2016 11:16:19 AM
Hint. Threw Out does not equal Remand, anymore than 3 = 4. What the Supreme Court did was avoided having to rule on a very controversial issue by sending it to the lower courts to reach an alternative decision that will make everybody happy. Smart move. The demise of that Nut Case (and Satan believing), Scalia, has been good for the Court and good for America.
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