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 ozarkguy
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Recently heard on a news broadcast that the Ebola virus could exist on a door knob or counter top for up to 3-4 hours if it is in a liquid state. I assume this means until it dries up. So....if an infected person spits, urinates, or otherwise deposits body fluids in a water source, could the Ebola virus multiply until it creates a health crisis for the drinking water supply for the population? Are all viruses removed in a metropolitan water supply through filtration, chlorination, etc.? Would only viruses within a specific size range be eliminated? Probably not a worry for U.S. at this time, but what about Africa where their sanitation practices are not up to U.S. standards.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/5/2014 1:08:27 PM
According to this,

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/09/12/346114454/how-do-you-catch-ebola-by-air-sweat-or-water

the answer is no.

Just from logical deduction, I would have myself strongly suspected that this was the case. If it weren't, then the virus would have gone absolutely bonkers over there, and killed the bulk of the population long ago.
 Yule_liquor
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/5/2014 5:35:25 PM

Recently heard on a news broadcast that the Ebola virus could exist on a door knob or counter top for up to 3-4 hours if it is in a liquid state.


^ this is probably true, but like HIV; it does not fare too well in the open environment for very long. There have been reports that EV can survive within semen of men who've been dead for as long as 3 days, but this is still within the corpus of a human being; from which we can insinuate that intra-corporeal body fluids is where this virus best thrives.


if an infected person spits, urinates, or otherwise deposits body fluids in a water source, could the Ebola virus multiply until it creates a health crisis for the drinking water supply for the population?


Highly unlikely (assuming you are talking about a typical N American reservoir); unless you happen to drink from the exact spot where the body fluid was emitted, at that very moment.


Are all viruses removed in a metropolitan water supply through filtration,


It is impossible to sterilize drinking water to that extent. EV would be long dead before it ends up in the water of your kitchen faucet.


what about Africa where their sanitation practices are not up to U.S. standards.


Unsanitary practices in West Africa have less to do with the condition of drinking water than it does with their inability & lack of proper handling and containment of infected persons
 basilisk123
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/5/2014 7:59:18 PM
Ebola virus can not survive in water, only in bodily fluids. I would recommend reading up on the virus from reputable sources instead of going off of hear/say. Nothing good can come of rumors.
 professora
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/13/2014 3:46:34 PM
I think the CDC is not telling us all they don't know or they don't have correct information. Ebola seems to be far more contagious that HIV. I have taken care of HIV patients for years never to spiked a fever or "caught" the virus.

This is far more deadly and far more contagious. The CDC said its 'Not contagious" but don't take a bus if you travel to Africa. So it is more contagious. The nurse in Tx probably did not break protocol and she in fact is denying such. She is a highly skilled, highly educated and seasoned ICU nurse. Intensive Care Unit nurses are outstanding. They are the top of the top.

So this disease is not a containable as they are leading us to believe.

Historically, virus have died out when the time is right. I sure hope we don't have to wait this one out.
 InnerGorilla
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/13/2014 5:10:24 PM

I have taken care of HIV patients for years never to spiked a fever or "caught" the virus.

This is far more deadly and far more contagious.


My dad used to work for the CDC dealing with pandemics. Now he's old and retired and worried where he put his glasses.

While Ebola is more contagious than HIV, the person with HIV has the chance to spread the disease to about 4 people. That is some number that either the CDC or some other world organization came up with. While Ebola tends to spread to only 2 people. Again these are relative factors based on some statistical analysis. But key is that Ebola is not contagious during incubation. It is (so far) only contagious when symptoms appear. The other factor is that it kills rather fast. So in theory it's easier to contain, while HIV can move invisibly through a society.

One thing that the CDC nor the media has explored is how the disease moves through the weakest point in society. Whatever nick in the armor of our health care system, it's going to find it, and use it to propagate.

I am aghast about how lightly they have treated the idea of when the man with Ebola went to the hospital the first time and he was sent home. What happened to those people that saw him? Is anyone monitoring those people?

My dad once explained to me that because of how volatile and fast ebola is, it limits it's reach. Anyway, food for thought.
 professora
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Posted: 10/16/2014 8:49:43 PM
InnerGorilla--
About 5 years ago I went to the hospital with weakness, shortness of breath and fever. I am a nurse so it shocked me that the RN who first saw me in the ER could not interpret my vital signs which were blood pressure 80/40, Temp --103.5, Respirations 28, Pulse racing and extreme weakness.

The nurse called my Doc and said "She's fine, I'll send her home."

My Doc said to the RN "How would you like to walk around with those vitals signs?"

I progressed to get weaker and ended up in ICU with 60/30 blood pressure.

I have a farm and had picked up a nasty bacterial infection which was treated with intravenous fluids and massive amounts of strong antibacterial meds. I recovered and am fine for years.

In any case, the Nurse was unable to recognize normal vital signs or do a proper nursing assessment on me. Similar to what Mr. Duncan experienced in Dallas but he was not lucky to have a doc check him before he was sent home.
 basilisk123
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Posted: 10/17/2014 5:12:17 AM
Yesterday I was in the vehicle with a coworker on his smoke break, he had on a new story from Fox news.

Typically I tune out fox news and msnbc, CNN...well cnn has gone to shit. I hate political bullshit sensationalizing that leaks into news channels.

What caught my attention about the news cast was the newsman put the ebola crisis in plain facts and went so far as to explain the political sides on each side of the crisis in an unbiased way. He didn't say or imply which side was right or wrong.
He seemed upset with the sensationalizing and hysteria that politicians and pundits are causing. He explained ebola in known facts only and the various avenues of treatment and containment without being biased.

Naturally, I was like "holy s h i t! is this really FOX news!? Can someone clone this guy and make him the anchor for every news station?

Strangely enough, (I never thought I would say this) I agreed with that story on FOX news.
Hysteria and panic are far more dangerous to America than ebola. Everyone needs to calm down, get informed and have a plan like with anything else. Pointing fingers and blame games are not going to do anyone a bit of good if this thing spreads further. You are only going to make it far worse if you just panic.


Once again, turn off the sensationalized news and stop listening to the pundits. Read up on what the disease is and how it is contained and treated
 InnerGorilla
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:15:18 AM
I have a farm and had picked up a nasty bacterial infection which was treated with intravenous fluids and massive amounts of strong antibacterial meds. I recovered and am fine for years.


Professora,
A good friend of mine that is from Colombia got anemic, no energy, was short of breath and got sicker and sicker. He went to every specialist in Atlanta and tested for everything. They could not find a thing wrong with him, other than having this incredibly debilitating sickness. This took his course to the point that he developed a deep depression with feeling of suicide. He told me that he wanted to kill himself, but wanted to do it in the farm of his ancestors in Colombia. So he went down there to the farm, where they had cows, horses, animals and a lot of mud and manure. As he got there, his grandmother told him that he looked a little pale and sent him to some local doctor that was old and old fashioned and went around with his black bag to see his patients. He looked at my friend and immediately prescribe him something for a type of parasite very common to the area that you can pick by walking without shoes in the "mastranto." That is the mix of mud and manure that is all over those farms.

Low and behold he got better within weeks, something that nobody could figure out on the Northern Hemisphere.

What my Dad told me was that North American Medicine loves specialization. That is how they make money, so most doctors do not know what they are doing when it comes particularly to Infecto-contagious diseases.
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:35:46 AM
Professora, I'm a nurse as well, only an LPN for now, but I would have not sent you home with those vital signs! Holy cow, I can't believe you didn't collapse with a BP this low. When we get patients like this, they get hooked up to an IV right away, some acetaminophen to get the fever down and a ton of labs.

The place where I work is taking Ebola pretty seriously. But we are not prepared - how could we? We see patients with high fevers and other Ebola-like symptoms all the time (of course, they didn't have Ebola, it's more likely the flu, but now, who knows). Right now, we are nervous when patients present with those symptoms, and we are all instructed to ask if they have traveled to West Africa or have been around people who have traveled there. Now that the virus is in the US, it makes it harder to screen those "high risk" people, because they could have been in contact with someone who was on a plane with an infected person here in the US. Six degrees of separation kind of thing. We were also told that the Ebola virus can survive on hard surfaces for 90 days. That means if an infected person's sweat/saliva/blood hits a surface and it is missed during cleanup, someone could potentially get infected touching that spot. It's scary. SOme docs at work are truly horrified and are considering early retirement because they are very concerned about their health and safety. In order for us to be TRULY prepared, we'd have to wear those full-body biohazard suits all the time, just in case a patient with Ebola walks into our clinic.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:04:24 AM
That is were knowledge comes in. Nurses and doctors are in high risk with this thing. Yall are heroes, even ol girl who made a mistake by boarding a plane. This is some scary shit. People are going to be even more afraid when the flu season hits. I can see it now...makes me cringe. But,, if you don't feel safw, you have to make sure they do something about it to make you safe. If not, you are not doing anybody a bit of good. There are ways to make yourself safe without expensive equipment though, yall know it already, but now is the time to double down on the basics and protocol.
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Posted: 10/19/2014 3:08:08 PM
Ozarkguy- This article explains it best:
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html?s_cid=cs_3923
 BLoNDeANGeL845
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Posted: 10/20/2014 2:54:54 PM
I'd rather err on the side of cautiousness, than be cavalier about a deadly virus. Perhaps if other's had been the same, ebola wouldn't be in the U.S.

I like to avoid crowds during the Holiday Season anyway, so I don't feel like I am missing anything by keeping my forays local & intimate.
 HondoGal
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Posted: 10/20/2014 4:53:51 PM
The place where I work is taking Ebola pretty seriously. But we are not prepared - how could we? We see patients with high fevers and other Ebola-like symptoms all the time (of course, they didn't have Ebola, it's more likely the flu, but now, who knows). Right now, we are nervous when patients present with those symptoms, and we are all instructed to ask if they have traveled to West Africa or have been around people who have traveled there. Now that the virus is in the US, it makes it harder to screen those "high risk" people, because they could have been in contact with someone who was on a plane with an infected person here in the US. Six degrees of separation kind of thing. We were also told that the Ebola virus can survive on hard surfaces for 90 days. That means if an infected person's sweat/saliva/blood hits a surface and it is missed during cleanup, someone could potentially get infected touching that spot. It's scary. SOme docs at work are truly horrified and are considering early retirement because they are very concerned about their health and safety. In order for us to be TRULY prepared, we'd have to wear those full-body biohazard suits all the time, just in case a patient with Ebola walks into our clinic.~TrustInKarma

So very true, thank you for your wise input.





Panic is not unfounded in this Ebola crises. The fact that our government wants to encourage the spread of the this deadly virus by continuing to allow persons from the most infected part of the world, West Africa, to come here bodes deadly to aircraft personnel and passengers, as well as to airport screeners who are now required to test them and most of all to American nurses, doctors and hospitals.

The refusal to curtail all traffic in and out of West Africa can lead to a pandemic.
Interesting, is it not, that almost every single nation in the African continent, not part of west Africa, has banned any and all entry into their countries from West Africa.

These victims of this deadly disease in West Africa will lie, as did Duncan, in order to reach the U.S. where those exposed to Ebola have a greater chance of survival than they do in Africa. The fact that they will contaminate others does not bother them in the least as was clearly demonstrated by Duncan.

Not every hospital in the U.S. is capable of the type of isolation, caring for the patient or the cleanup that Ebola patients need.
Given that our government is behaving irresponsibly and actually callously as the experts in the government know they are handing out death sentences to our hospitals and its employees in beyond unconscionable.

We are now sending American troops including the National Guard to West Africa. This is necessary, in our misguided government’s way of thinking, to protect the health care workers as they are often attacked. Eight dedicated, well-meaning health care workers were macheted to death by Guinea villagers just this September. Our troops have not been supplied with any type of bio-hazard suits. These troops can refuse this assignment, and imo, they should.

As for our doctors and nurses, as TrustInKarma pointed out, they are at risk as is every patient in the emergency room when someone with Ebola presents themselves.

Just ONE PERSON contaminated with Ebola has cost millions of dollars to this county.
Just ONE Ebola victim has exposed hundreds of innocent persons to this deadly virus.
Just ONE Ebola patient has caused the Dallas hospital to close its emergency room.
Just One Ebola carrier has cost an airline millions of dollars in lost revenue and clean-up costs.
Just ONE Ebola victim has caused an entire city to be in danger of exposure to the Ebola virus.

I think more scenes of the young, beautiful nurse now stricken with Ebola, crying in isolation as she fears for her life, should be continuously televised.

Personally, and many agree with me, since our government refuses to take the appropriate action to protect us, it is up to the Airlines and hospitals. The airlines should refuse to fly if any passengers are from West Africa, no matter how they arrived in Europe and elsewhere. As for the doctors and nurses, by the time Ebola is diagnosed, they have been exposed for as TrustIn has stated they are not in protective gear.

The U.S. has done more than its share for West Africa. We have set up 100 field hospitals and one billion dollars for medical care and other expenses. Let the African nations do more. Our responsibility is to contain this deadly disease not to encourage its spread.

Hell yes, we should be panicked given the blasé attitude of those who should be protecting us - the Center for Disease Control (sure go ahead, take trips after your exposure to an Ebola victim); the President (we’ll continue to accept persons from countries with raging epidemics of Ebola).
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:02:25 PM

... the Center for Disease Control (sure go ahead, take trips after your exposure to an Ebola victim) ...
We don't know who told her to travel. The woman did not personally talk to the the CDC. Someone else did and relayed a message to her. I honestly don't understand why she didn't personally call them except that she did not want them to know who she was. Was she afraid they'd say "No!" and then force her to abandon her travel plans?

I am also a nurse and I pose this question to you ... "Does getting a message from some random phone call allow us (nurses and trained medical personnel) to disengage our brain and turn off our ability to use common sense or good reasoning?"

I can tell you this much ... if I had been exposed to such a deadly disease at work, I would have stayed away from the ones I love in order to protect them. What did she do? IMO ... that woman was on a mission to plan her wedding hell or high water ... unless you perhaps want to promote the idea that her fever caused her to lose her power of reasoning or common sense. That's just plain selfish.

I've worked in some pretty seedy places (jails / clinics that serve homeless people that live on the land with no shelter) and I have had to deal with some pretty gross and disgusting situations. I've had to book people into jail who are vomiting all over themselves ... have soiled themselves ... and if there was ever any question about getting infected, the last place I would have run off to would be my loved ones and friends.

I see she has retained an attorney and she'll probably need one. If I owned a business and her negligence would cause me to shut down my business or cost me millions in cleansing fees ... I'd want reimbursed! Who is paying for the upkeep of all the people who need to be quarantined because of her negligence? If they do get sick, who will pay for their medical care? Yeah ... I'd say she's gonna need a good attorney.
 Eric_Summit
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:42:53 PM
Posted by BLoNDeANGeL845:
"I'd rather err on the side of cautiousness, than be cavalier about a deadly virus.
Perhaps if other's had been the same, ebola wouldn't be in the U.S.

I like to avoid crowds during the Holiday Season anyway,
so I don't feel like I am missing anything by keeping my forays local & intimate."

Precisely correct. There is no disadvantage to maintaining a cautious approach.
Ebola is a disease with a 70% mortality rate.
It is taking a strong kid in her 20's to within inches of her life...think of how it could affect young, old, or sick.

Posted by HondoGal:
~Everything she wrote.~

HondoGal...concur 1000% with everything you wrote.
We are instituting greater and greater travel restriction daily.
For goodness sake, we must institute a TRAVEL BAN to/from that region until a handle is established on this disease.
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 BLoNDeANGeL845
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Posted: 10/23/2014 7:53:17 PM
Well guess what, a new case in NYC, he travelled on the NYC subway right b4 he got really sick, was in a bowling alley etc.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/patient-in-new-york-city-tests-positive-for-ebola/ar-BBaOEJU?ocid=iehp

Patient in New York City Tests Positive for Ebola

A doctor in New York City who recently returned from treating Ebola patients in Guinea tested positive for the Ebola virus Thursday, becoming the city’s first diagnosed case.

The doctor, Craig Spencer, was rushed to Bellevue Hospital on Thursday and placed in isolation while health care workers spread out across the city to trace anyone he might have come into contact with in recent days. A further test will be conducted by the federal Centers for Disease Control to confirm the initial test.

While officials have said they expected isolated cases of the disease to arrive in New York eventually, and had been preparing for this moment for months, the first case highlighted the challenges surrounding containment of the virus, especially in a crowded metropolis.

Even as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley and then took a taxi home.

The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.

A person infected with Ebola cannot spread the disease until they begin to display symptoms, and it cannot be spread through the air. As the person becomes sicker, the viral load in the body builds, and they become more and more contagious.

Dr. Spencer’s travel history and the timing of the onset of his symptoms led health officials to dispatch “disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient’s contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk,” according to a statement released by the department.

It was unclear if the city was trying to find people who might have come into contact with Dr. Spencer on the subway. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority directed all questions to the health department, which did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the issue.

At Dr. Spencer’s apartment in Harlem, his home was sealed off and workers distributed informational fliers about the disease. It was not clear if anyone was being quarantined.

Health authorities declined to say how many people in total might have come into contact with Dr. Spencer while he was symptomatic.

Mayor Bill de Blasio, speaking at a press conference Thursday evening before the diagnosis, said Dr. Spencer has given health workers a detailed accounting of his activities over the last few days.

“Our understanding is that very few people were in direct contact with him,” Mr. de Blasio said.

Dr. Spencer had been working with Doctors Without Borders in Guinea, treating Ebola patients, before returning to New York City on Oct. 14, according to a city official.

He told the authorities that he did not believe the protective gear he wore while working with Ebola patients had been breached but had been monitoring his own health.

Doctors Without Borders, in a statement, said it provides guidelines for its staff on their return from Ebola assignments, but did not elaborate on those protocols.

“The individual engaged in regular health monitoring and reported this development immediately,” the group said in a statement.

Dr. Spencer began to feel sluggish on Tuesday but did not develop a fever until Thursday morning, he told the authorities. At 11 a.m., the doctor found that he had a 103-degree temperature and alerted the staff of Doctors Without Borders, according to the official.

The staff of Doctors Without Borders called the city’s health department, which in turn called the Fire Department.

Emergency medical workers, wearing full personal protective gear, rushed to Dr. Spencer’s apartment, on West 147th Street. He was transported to Bellevue and arrived shortly after 1 p.m.

He was placed in a special isolation unit and is being seen by the pre-designated medical critical care team. They are in personal protective equipment with undergarment air ventilation systems.

Bellevue doctors have prepared for an Ebola patient with numerous drills and tests using “test patients” as well as actual treatment of suspected cases that turned out to be false alarms.

A health care worker at the hospital said that Dr. Spencer seemed very sick and it was unclear to the medical staff why he had not gone to the hospital earlier, since his fever was high, at 103.

Dr. Spencer is a fellow of international emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center, and an instructor in clinical medicine at Columbia University.

“He is a committed and responsible physician who always puts his patients first,” the hospital said in a statement. “He has not been to work at our hospital and has not seen any patients at our hospital since his return from overseas.”

Even before the diagnosis, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention dispatched a team of experts to assist in the case, before the test results were even known.

More than 30 people have gone to city hospitals and raised suspicions of Ebola, but in all those cases, health workers were able to rule it out without a blood test.

While the city stepped up its laboratory capacity so it can get test results within four to six hours, because of the precautions that need to be taken when drawing blood and treating a person possibly sick with Ebola, it took until late in the evening to confirm the diagnosis..

But doctors said that even before the results came in, it seemed likely that he was infected. Symptoms usually occur within eight to 10 days of infection and Dr. Spencer was home nine days when he reported feeling ill.

Ebola is transmitted through bodily fluids and secretions, including blood, mucus, feces and vomit.

Because of its high mortality rate — Ebola kills more than half of the people it infects — the disease spreads fear along with infection.

The authorities have been on high alert ever since Thomas Eric Duncan traveled to the United States in September from Liberia, and was later given a diagnosis of Ebola.

Mr. Duncan died at a Dallas hospital this month.

Several days after his death, a nurse who helped care for Mr. Duncan learned she had Ebola. Two nurses who treated Mr. Duncan fell ill but have since recovered.

That single case led to hundreds of people being quarantined or being asked to remain isolated from the general public..

The missteps by both local and federal authorities in handling the nation’s first Ebola case raised questions about the ability of health care workers to safely treat those with the disease.

In the New York City region, hospitals and emergency workers have been preparing for the appearance of the virus for months.

Dr. Irwin Redlener, the director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University and a special adviser to Mayor de Blasio, said that the risk to the general public was minimal, but depended on a city moving swiftly.

“New York has mobilized not only a world class health department, but has full engagement of many other agencies that need to be on the response team,” he said.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 8:19:37 PM
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HondoGal...concur 1000% with everything you wrote.
We are instituting greater and greater travel restriction daily.
For goodness sake, we must institute a TRAVEL BAN to/from that region until a handle is established on this disease.


Of course you realize that this latest EV victim flew in from Brussels (to NYC)
and could have come into the US from any number of major European hubs that have connections with endemic areas

Eric & Hondo---> whatta combo!
 basilisk123
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:36:20 AM
Maybe the protocol for returning personel with high risk potential, I.E. doctors and nurses should include auto-21 day quarantine. The doctor had no symptons on the flights and alittle while afterwards.
Yule is right that there are a lot of connection flight plans that touch base in the effected areas. I am assuming those flights are not owned by companies in the US, so we have no say in them. There is no way we can stop all flights from Africa and Europe both anyways. Isolating ourselves will not help in the long run. It would just delay the inevitable. Ebola will come here with or without travel bans. The world is way too connected to stop it. But luckily Ebola is alot harder to catch than a flu or a cold.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 12:28:01 AM

I am also a nurse and I pose this question to you ... "Does getting a message from some random phone call allow us (nurses and trained medical personnel) to disengage our brain and turn off our ability to use common sense or good reasoning?" ~Cotter


Thank you for helping me make my point.
WE CANNOT DEPEND ON INDIVIDUALS TO RESTRICT THEMSELVES after being exposed to Ebola! Why the need for government mandates.


If I owned a business and her negligence would cause me to shut down my business or cost me millions in cleansing fees ... Cotter


According to the CDC they told her she could travel on an aircraft. The CDC should have confined/quarantined all who they knew had come in contact with Duncan the moment the first nurse fell ill. It is the CDC and other officials in Dallas who should be facing a lawsuit from Frontier Air Lines.


HondoGal...concur 1000% with everything you wrote.
We are instituting greater and greater travel restriction daily.
For goodness sake, we must institute a TRAVEL BAN to/from that region until a handle is established on this disease.~Eric


Thank you, Eric. As you know, by now, we have an Ebola patient in Bellevue Hospital, NYC. This physician, behaved unconscionably. Health care workers coming from West Africa should be quarantined there prior to returning to the U.S.
Please be extra cautious as you traverse the city. I always wore leather gloves when riding the subways.
Now persons should don latex and masks.



Of course you realize that this latest EV victim flew in from Brussels (to NYC)
and could have come into the US from any number of major European hubs that have connections with endemic areas~Yule liquor


Had you traveled overseas you would know that your passport indicates from where you originate your travel. So, of course, anyone connecting through Europe or anywhere else in the world would still be known to airport personnel that they originated from West Africa. Hopefully I have enlightened you.


Eric & Hondo---> whatta combo! Y liquor

Yes, indeed. Thank you!


Isolating ourselves will not help in the long run. It would just delay the inevitable. Ebola will come here with or without travel bans. The world is way too connected to stop it. But luckily Ebola is alot harder to catch than a flu or a cold.~Basillik


Sorry, you are completely wrong. Almost every nation in Africa has banned persons from West Africa. Guess what? Nigeria is 100% Ebola free.
Ebola does not have to come here; travel bans must be instituted.
The other big threat is our open porous Southern border. At least 70 West Africans have illegally entered the U.S. from there.
It is not that difficult to contract; an infected person sneezing or sweating will distribute the virus. How do you think all those thousands of infected persons in West Africa contracted the deadly virus? You believe they were all health care workers? No, they got it through normal everyday activity around an infected person.
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/27/2014 7:49:20 AM
"Sorry, you are completely wrong. Almost every nation in Africa has banned persons from West Africa. Guess what? Nigeria is 100% Ebola free.
Ebola does not have to come here; travel bans must be instituted.
The other big threat is our open porous Southern border. At least 70 West Africans have illegally entered the U.S. from there."-HondoGal

I can smell the political influence coming from this statement. Fox news much? They keep saying that everything terrible comes from the southern border. Well last time I checked, Justin Beiber was Canadian.
Sorry Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Seriously though, everything is turning xenophobic lately, everybody is so scared and angry, but refuses to actually think, instead relying on others to think for them. (I. E. Tv, radio, pundits, politicians). It's turning more and more into an "us versus them" culture everyday, and I find that quite pathetic.
 HondoGal
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/29/2014 2:04:42 AM

It's turning more and more into an "us versus them" culture everyday, and I find that quite pathetic.~.basilisk123 ~


Perhaps it is thus by those who should know better refusing to acknowledge what should be common sense and common knowledge as to infectious diseases.
What is more pathetic and ignorant is the fact that some persons think Ebola is more difficult to contract than the flu.


can smell the political influence coming from this statement. Fox news much? They keep saying that everything terrible comes from the southern border. Well last time I checked, Justin Beiber was Canadian.
Sorry Sorry, I couldn't help myself. ~ basilisk123


I understand; but it has nothing to do with politics. Anyone can see that our porous southern border is where the worst stench comes from.
We have an epidemic of the retrovirus in America now. This is without a doubt due to the thousands of diseased children and others from Central America and Mexico that were recently illegally permitted to infiltrate the entire U.S.

Michael Savage. On his September 8 radio program, which was touted by WND, Savage said he's been "trying to warn America about the unscreened immigrants being brought in" and then blamed undocumented immigrants for purportedly spreading EV-D68. He added that the government is "encouraging it by not speaking out against bringing in infected children and putting them in our public schools."

What is obvious is that Barack Obama does have the best interests of children at heart: illegal immigrant children harboring viruses and communicable diseases. American children who are defenseless against the onslaught, not so much.
Maybe liberals haven’t noticed yet, but it hasn’t taken all that long for the infective consequences of President Obama’s refusal to put Americans first to befall the most innocent among us. For starters, Ohio, California, and Kansas are just a few of the states already struggling to contain measles outbreaks.
Now, in addition to measles, more than 1,000 children in 10 states -- Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Iowa, Colorado, Ohio, Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Georgia -- have suddenly become infected with a rare respiratory virus, not seen in the U.S. since the 1960s, called human Enterovirus EV-D68. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that the rare strain is related to the same rhinovirus responsible for causing the common cold.
The dire prediction is that in the coming weeks and months, Enterovirus EV-D68, origin unknown, is due to spread to all 50 states and afflict great numbers of otherwise healthy children.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/09/the_invasion_of_enterovirus_evd68.html


The Enterovirus 68 is now in all the continuous 48 States.


Nigeria is a relatively wealthy African country~spinner

Number one economy in Africa as it is oil rich. However, Nigeria is third among countries with the highest population of extreme poor or people with abject poverty in the world, the World Bank has said.

Although it may not technically have closed it borders……..

Nigeria on Thursday said it plans to send 506 medics to Ebola-affected countries, which will make it one of the biggest contributors of health care workers fighting the epidemic. Though with Arik Air, a major Nigerian carrier, still not flying to Ebola-affected countries, they may also face complicated flight routes.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/travel-restrictions-hamper-african-medical-staff-in-ebola-fight-1414086147
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Can the Ebola virus exist/multiply in a water source such as a creek, river, or lake?
Posted: 10/29/2014 6:37:12 AM
"Michael Savage. On his September 8 radio program, which was touted by WND, "-Hondogal

I lol'ed. Sorry, but I stopped reading after this.
You can believe pundits who have no interest but to spread their party's political agenda if you want, but that doesn't mean I have to or should.


Article about Ebola virus contagiousness
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20140806/ebola-virus-how-contagious

CDC article about seasonal flu contagiousness
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm?mobile=nocontent

Comes down to this
Ebola requires direct contact with bodily fluids and can only be contagious while there are symptoms. Very apparent symptoms like projectile vomiting and diarrhea, fever, sometimes bleeding from the eyes.

Seasonal flu is airborne and only requires close proximity can can be transmitted before and after symptoms occur. You can even spread it even if you never feel symptoms. Symptoms are coughing, sneezing, fever, sore throat, body aches. Alot more subdued and easier to miss initially.

You are by no means required to believe facts and to continue to wear that tin foil hat of yours and to keep listening to idiots who don't know what they are talking about. By all means, the government is coming for you, gonna throw you in a concentration camp. Then they are gonna rape the fields and pillage the women.

As for southern border being pourous. Yep it is, that is were alot of human trafficking comes through.

Do you think a wall will stop it? nope

How about guards with machine guns every 5 feet? nope

How about if we take away the "whoever is born on american soil is an american" policy? Nope

Destroy business that hire them? This has potential, but it won't happen, americans love our cheap labor. Anything to protect the "Job creators". Am I right? LOL
 professora
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contagious before symptoms appear- during incubation
Posted: 10/29/2014 7:35:04 PM
basilisk123 -- diseases and death, nasty microbs have NO politics. they claim dems, libs, republicans,bushman, non believers,etc.

"Comes down to this [ You are Dr expert???]

Ebola requires direct contact with bodily fluids and can only be contagious while there are symptoms [ this is dis-proven and documented--can be transmitted before symptoms].. Very apparent symptoms like projectile vomiting and diarrhea, fever, sometimes bleeding from the eyes." [again--not so]

Please qualify new source---the CDC is being proved wrong. Experts do not know at this time so it is unique that you are quick to list improper information.

Three hundred and eighty (380) nurses and doctors came down with Ebola. Over 200 died. I am a nurse.

We are VERY conscientious and still over 200 died this year. What are your credentials as an expert?

You are quick to be an expert until the disease directly affects your family.

Name another country that has open Ebola borders?

" But key is that Ebola is not contagious during incubation. It is (so far) only contagious when symptoms appear." THIS IS BEING DISPROVEN> IT IS CONTAGIOUS W/O symptoms. NEW theory. ONe worth keeping an open mind about.

P, RN,MSN,Doctoral student
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