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 MasterOfReality84
Joined: 6/5/2014
Msg: 1
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Hi I'm just wondering if MGTOW is a philosophy or movement or a bit of both. I personally think is a philosophy. What do you all think? I've been on POF for a few years and I've find out a lot of female perception of "good men" is flawed to core, not sure what causes this, but I think this is why more of us are choosing to "go our own way" and pretty much give up on the idea of romance and relationships.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 2
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Posted: 10/19/2014 4:17:37 PM
if your reality (of romance & relationships) is being forged from how you believe females perceive "good men" on a 1 dimensional dating site; then I'm afraid that you are the one whose perception is flawed.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 3
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Posted: 10/19/2014 9:32:25 PM
Well that should take care of just about the last thing that women TRULY need men for...and that would be for male companionship...

NOW you've done it!!!!

The demise of the male population is looming just ahead! LOL
 hemingway114
Joined: 6/16/2014
Msg: 4
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/20/2014 12:37:14 PM
The problem is, many men have lost their shirts in divorce, laws are stacked against them, so many are gun-shy. It's just an inevitable reaction to the cards men have been dealt in society today. It's a little sad, really. Marriage should be a good thing.

The real answer is for men to educate themselves about women, love, and relationships, and to learn how to avoid divorce - not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Would a woman in love EVER want to divorce her husband? Do you smell what I'm cookin'?!
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 5
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:00:44 PM

The real answer is....


To do what most women have been doing for years and years!

1. Never marry someone who earns/makes less than you do
2. Never bring more assets into a marriage than what your spouse brings
3. Never allow your spouse to believe you can make/earn more than what you are making now
4. Never base your decision to marry someone just on looks/appearance (don't think with the little head)

An even playing field should produce enough motivation for both partners to make a marriage work!
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/21/2014 4:45:49 AM
"...demand an appreciative audience to not only read it but to supply its followers with a proper stroking."-
tickle_me_pank

...Oh My...rofl

As a dude who gave up on dating, I don't really think I need a movement or a manifesto. That isn't to say I give up on women, they are just too awsome to ignore. I just feel that living life only to have as much sex as possible is such a waste of time. This is especially true if women don't want you anyways...no I am not bitter... lol
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 7
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/24/2014 1:26:30 PM
I've been on POF for a few years and I've find out a lot of female perception of "good men" is flawed to core


I call this total horse manure. Who cares, if what some women think of what constitutes "a good man." BE YOU. Be the best you you can be. To hell with the rest. You will find that there are a ton of women that love real men. Men that sweat and fart and cuss. Men that take up fights for what they believe and are willing to go to the edge of the world to achieve what they want to achieve for the simple reason that it's there, and it's theirs to achieve.

I also noticed that you're a gamer. In other words, you spend your time attached to a computer playing some game that keeps you pretty much addicted to the thing. Most gamers I've met have horrible interaction with the real thing. Meaning Humans. And because they have the attention span of a fly, while they have high bravado online, they give up in real life at the drop of a dime.

So, stay on your MGTOW group. You should meet in hyperspace, like Mindcraft and have all your interactions and complaints about women there. In fact, there's a over population of men, thanks to the Chinese, there are 20 percent more of men than women, so the more of you that there are, then the more women that will be out there for red blooded, smelly, hairy men, looking for women.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 8
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/24/2014 8:41:52 PM
^^^ Bingo...we have a winner. OP, listen to a true Master of true Reality in the above post.
 Bachelorette.Number1
Joined: 4/18/2013
Msg: 9
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/24/2014 8:55:08 PM
I don't know what to say to this.

If you were my son, I would have been chatting with you for your whole life on what women expect/want/are looking for.
So that when you reached an age, as where you are now, you wouldn't be surprised and now disillusioned by what they expect/want/are looking for.
We also would have chatted about each of your girlfriends and I would have subtly interjected what you should be looking for in a girl based on what you thought you wanted for your life. And I would have assured you that she existed.
We would have chatted about your likes and dislikes so you could hone your search.
When you broke up with one of them, we'd converse about it, so you could summarize what you don't want and why.
So that when the day came and you said to me - "She's the one" - I'd say bravo.

But alas, I wasn't your mom.
 dardikadrake
Joined: 5/10/2010
Msg: 10
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:53:16 PM
"go your own way? "

What does that mean exactly? No more women? I have found that gay men go that route.

Is the following flawed?

He won't sleep with my best friend, my sister, my house keeper, my next door neighbor, or my cox cable guy.

He wont sit around all day while I work and do nothing then expect me to buy groceries and cook for the entire family.

He won't ....you know what, I can go on and on and on but let me say this....

He WILL walk with me hand in hand. When we go through a crowd he moves with a protective walk. Before we sit at a table he OFFERS me a chair. He stands when I stand to go to the ladies room and stands when I return. He takes care of his family financially and during the weekends he is HOME or we are off with him doing whatever we do as a family. HE is a gentleman. His HEART belongs with his family. He will KNEEL to speak to someone in a wheel chair. He IS a handy man. He can fix most anything and if HE can't he FINDS someone who can very QUICKLY. He knows that he can LEARN more from the anatomy of a fish than he can a Harvard grad. He is HUMBLE but very very strong in his nature.

I can go on but in none of that do I ask for a diamond, expensive clothes, a $100,000 car, a body that spends it's waking time in the gym.

To me...a man is someone I was raised to love...my father and my brothers. There marriages are quite strong and I have ever barely witnessed a wrinkle in the family unit. I have also seen many men in my day that are fabulous fathers and husbands. They were when I was young and they still are to this day. The one commonality though...is that the men are head of household. Not the women (of course, the women are in their own way:)

The fault in the breakdown of American Marriages usually lies in cheating. Whether it is adultery or financially or anything that deals with taking the security away from the family. Love does have its rules. In rules there are ethics. Doesn't matter who breaks the code of ethics...once it is broken, it is like a HUGE crack in the universe that cannot be repaired...not really.

So good luck with that thought process but I think you are one of a very few who believe in it.
 hoopsnhikes
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 11
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/28/2014 8:00:05 PM

Hi I'm just wondering if MGTOW is a philosophy or movement or a bit of both.


"go your own way? "
What does that mean exactly?

It was a movement started by Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks that was pushed heavily back in the late 70's.
 Demidar
Joined: 10/22/2014
Msg: 12
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:54:21 AM
I think basically mgtow are men deciding not to participate in a society that is broken . Like going into a rigged casino , you would not keep going there , would you ? With over a 50 % divorce rate and women filing for almost 80% of the divorces men are looking at marriage as something that is rigged against them , so why participate in something that only has risk and no reward . That is a reason why men are walking away . For men the decision not to get married is the smartest decision they can make , until they make the marriage laws fair .
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 13
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:58:39 AM

men deciding not to participate in a society that is broken .


I could careless if society is broken. What I do is simple, I find people that are into the same interest and within that group you will find men and women that will relate to each other. The reality is that Society HAS always been broken. Even in the moralistic 50s the reality was that men were womanizers that cheated a lot, and women were supposed to be these perfect beings that looked the other way, or slept with the milk man.

Society is what you make of it. And if you live by your principles even in the worst of times you will overcome and will find people that will like that and live by those principles.
 Demidar
Joined: 10/22/2014
Msg: 14
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/30/2014 12:11:49 PM
Womanizers , what a load of garbage . Statistics show that men are more faithful in relationships than women are . Only men in my entire life that I knew to be womanizers were single men . All the relationships that I knew of cheating , it was not the men doing it .
 Hamilton12345
Joined: 3/29/2012
Msg: 15
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 10/31/2014 5:50:07 PM
Hi I'm just wondering if MGTOW is a philosophy or movement or a bit of both. I personally think is a philosophy. What do you all think? I've been on POF for a few years and I've find out a lot of female perception of "good men" is flawed to core, not sure what causes this, but I think this is why more of us are choosing to "go our own way" and pretty much give up on the idea of romance and relationship


I keep hearing about this with men in their 20s and early 30s but haven't really seen it. My son and most of his friends are in relationships save for the douches that no-one wants. (Sorry but it is true). My daughter's fiancee's male friends and family are the same. The younger people are work with are nearly all in relationships. So what I see is a small but vocal group of people who for whatever reason can't get a date opting out (of what I am not sure since they can't get a date).


I've find out a lot of female perception of "good men" is flawed to core,


Not sure how it is that you get decide that women's perception is flawed. Hate to tell you this but perception is how a person views that world and what I perceived to be a good man is the type and personality that suits me, who are you to tell me that it is flawed.


I think basically mgtow are men deciding not to participate in a society that is broken .
Like going into a rigged casino , you would not keep going there , would you ? With over a 50 % divorce rate and women filing for almost 80% of the divorces men are looking at marriage as something that is rigged against them , so why participate in something that only has risk and no reward . That is a reason why men are walking away . For men the decision not to get married is the smartest decision they can make , until they make the marriage laws fair.


Have you ever asked yourself why women filing for most of the divorces? From what I have seen it is because the marriage is over and they are the ones who are brave enough to admit it and process the paperwork. I was the bad guy cause I filed for divorce, never mind that he was living with another woman. My sister was the one who filed, but her ex was the one that walked out. She had to file in order to get any child support. The list goes on.

Now as to men walking away, as I have said, not seeing nearly as much of this as everyone is claiming, maybe I live in a little bubble of happy town but I doubt it.

Tickle-me - you beat me to it. Another made up stat to further the argument of a new (or perhaps recycled?) bitter bro. Good Gawd we have all had good and bad relationships women get screwed in divorces just as often as men do. The majority of us keep trying, we don't join movement or embrace silly azz philosophies that sound more like a child's temper tantrum than anything else.

Now as for society being broken, I don't think that is relevant to individual relationships. Personally I love men (mostly) and couldn't imagine a world without them!

 Demidar
Joined: 10/22/2014
Msg: 16
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:37:18 AM
I am so sorry , I do not agree with any studies done about genders at universities . Studies done for women by women are not fair or impartial . Out here in real life we only have to go on what we see. I have never known a man to be unfaithful in my life time , but plenty of women who were . They can take their manipulated facts and place them some where unpleasant .
 Hamilton12345
Joined: 3/29/2012
Msg: 17
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 11/2/2014 2:58:08 PM
I am so sorry , I do not agree with any studies done about genders at universities . Studies done for women by women are not fair or impartial . Out here in real life we only have to go on what we see. I have never known a man to be unfaithful in my life time , but plenty of women who were . They can take their manipulated facts and place them some where unpleasant


but you first said...


Statistics show that men are more faithful in relationships than women are .


But what you were really talking about is anecdotal stories from your life, completely different than statistics.

As for my perspective; my husband cheated on me, my best friend walked in on her husband having sex with another woman, the husband of another very good friend cheated on her repeatedly, had a child with one of those woman and at the moment is cheating again and she is finally filing for divorce. (and those are only the ones I can think of off the top of my head) So, I do not agree with you little survey of men only I am sure.

The most recent studies show that men still cheat more than women, but women are catching up! Not exactly one place that equality is a good thing ;)


 high-ground
Joined: 6/16/2013
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Posted: 11/2/2014 8:36:40 PM
Fact, that under most circumstances when a man cheats on his spouse a women is involved. She may also be married or even single, but more than likely she knows he's married.

Little story, I used to have an office near end of cul-de-sac, with a reservoir at the end. For some time a women used to drive a pick truck up with a camper on it. Short time latter the same man would drive up and enter the camper and shake things up. This went on a few days a week for months, and in the beginning the office were betting she was a hooker. One day after the action was over, I decided to follow the truck with a camper. She went home, and while I was leaving, her lover pulled up in the adjacent driveway. Yes they were neighbors, both married, and both had children. There is more but my point is made, its generally always a 50/50 deal between men and women.
 forums1
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 19
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 11/11/2014 8:38:33 PM
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) - is that like coming out of the closet and deciding you're gay?

Or is it just "Men Not Thinking How The Name Of Their 'Movement' Could Be Taken"?
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
Posted: 11/12/2014 10:58:22 AM
What the hell is this thread even talking about?
 bamagrl68
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 21
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Posted: 11/12/2014 2:18:55 PM
drinkthesunwithmyface- It doesn't belong on this forum, for sure.
The music thread, maybe. I think I hear the worlds smallest violin playing, what's the name of that song? ;) :D
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 22
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Posted: 11/12/2014 4:09:55 PM
I dunno-is "sour grapes" a philosophy or a movement?
Cindy O
 ArticLife
Joined: 2/25/2010
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Posted: 11/12/2014 5:54:52 PM
It's a philosophy (air quotes). Philosophies (air quote) require a manifesto and then they demand an appreciative audience to not only read it but to supply its followers with a proper stroking.

If MGTOW were an actual movement, "men going their own way" would simply GO already and stop b1tching about how flawed women are because they won't service you properly.


Not necessarily. If you believe in something strongly, you tend to want to spread that information around so others who might agree will do the same.

It's both a movement and a philosophy.


I don't know what to say to this.

If you were my son, I would have been chatting with you for your whole life on what women expect/want/are looking for.
So that when you reached an age, as where you are now, you wouldn't be surprised and now disillusioned by what they expect/want/are looking for.
We also would have chatted about each of your girlfriends and I would have subtly interjected what you should be looking for in a girl based on what you thought you wanted for your life. And I would have assured you that she existed.
We would have chatted about your likes and dislikes so you could hone your search.
When you broke up with one of them, we'd converse about it, so you could summarize what you don't want and why.
So that when the day came and you said to me - "She's the one" - I'd say bravo.

But alas, I wasn't your mom.


But if you disagree with what is expected, you can either complain, try to find the few rare girls ones who want a completely equal relationship, or simply "go your own way" as they prescribe.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 11/13/2014 12:53:52 PM
Whatever our genitalia its up to us to silence the voices with an enthusiasm for gender stereotype. We can make the choice to own our own failures and be survivors. Victims simply aren't terribly attractive.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 25
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Posted: 11/14/2014 9:00:24 AM

With over a 50 % divorce rate and women filing for almost 80% of the divorces ...


Your wife screwed around and left you....for a reason or many reasons. So what.

I just don't get why this is such a big deal for you. Does it matter WHO files for divorce - when it's over, it's over. I have found that many women file right away as this is the only way they can deal with child support. Yes, some men pay child support immediately on separation without needing to be told by the court how much/how often. Some men just leave and don't give a damn. Note, I said "some". But more often than not, there needs to be a court document of some sort, Separation Agreement or whatever, stating who pays what, where the children live, where the children go to school, shared custody, etc. So yes, I wouldn't be surprised if more women file first as they are generally the ones looking after the children. Note, I said "generally". And yes, there are dead-beat moms out there but they are far outnumbered by dead-beat dads. And for every single mother out there living on welfare there is a man out there that spread his seed willingly and easily and then ran from the consequences.

In my experience, more men screw around than women do. I've known one woman that had an affair while married. But I've known quite a few men. One guy was screwing around on his wife with another guy, so yup, there are closet gay men in marriages as we are the generation where being gay wat totally frowned upon...not like it's changed all that much.

I don't like the fact that the divorce rate is so high for first marriages and even higher for second marriages. But I don't see it changing much in the future. Yes, some will live together but once you bring children into the world, the game changes and you and your partner will be tied together one way or another until those children are grown and one their own. Where I live it doesn't much matter if you're married or living together if you have children - the same rules apply.

Some of you do need to go your own way as you are too damaged to be able to share yourself with another. Sad.
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