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 ozsealady1
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I refuse to watch any news coverage of it.
All far too sad.

We have too many people in this world who do not deserve the freedoms we extend.

I am all for gathering all the people who hate and want to kill someone else together and put them all into a Mad Max style Thunderdome where they all fight each other to the death.
Then the rest of us can live in peace.

I just wish there was a realistic solution.
How do you ascertain if someone is going to do something bad in the future.

My thoughts are for the families and others affected.
Big hugs.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:18:21 AM
Very sad but it was only a matter of time. The western world will face more and more of these attacks by religious extremists who want to turn the clock back on freedom of speech right back to the dark ages. They won't be satisfied until their religion is the only recognised one and we live by their rules.

Two more police shootings in France this morning but maybe not connected.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:47:40 AM
"mired in superstition and religious intolerance. Men and women were accused of witchcraft, tortured, tried and executed. Blasphemy was punishable by death."

Nope it was not the dark age religious zealots of islam who executed 12 and injured many more yesterday in paris because the murdered had used freedom of speech, freedom of
expression and freedom of thought. But what happened yesterday shows just how backward islam can be. And it is not just isolated muslims i am afraid.
Just look at the frenzy over the last few decades where countless thousands have died due to islamic intolerance of freedom of thought, freedom of expression and freedom of speech because of 'blasphemy'.

The very important execution that happened on the 8th january took place in 1697 in my hometown Edinburgh. It involved freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of thought. The poor laddie was persecuted by religious zealots for daring to question and ridiculing god and said religions prophet.

It was the last execution in britain for blasphemy before the enlightenment. Maybe one day islam can catch up.


"Execution of a teenager
In 1697 an 18-year-old university student named Thomas Aikenhead stood at the gallows in Edinburgh. He had been found guilty of blasphemy and sentenced to death.

At his trial it was said that Aikenhead had ‘ridiculed the Holy Scriptures’ and claimed that they were ‘stuffed with madness, nonsense, and contradictions’. He had called the Old Testament ‘Ezra's fables’ and said that Christ was an ‘imposter’ who had ‘learned magick in Egypt’ so he could ‘perform those pranks which were called miracles’.

Thomas Aikenhead pleaded for mercy and took back everything he had said. The Lord Advocate James Stewart called for the death penalty. Stewart condemned Aikenhead for ‘shaking off all fear of God’ and for venting ‘wicked blasphemies against God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.’

When Aikenhead was found guilty the Lord Advocate stated ‘you ought to be punished with death... to the example and terror of others.’

On the day of his execution Thomas Aikenhead wrote ‘It is a principle innate and co-natural to every man to have an insatiable inclination to the truth, and to seek for it as for hid treasure.’
Aikenhead was hanged at two o’clock on the afternoon of January 8 1697. He was the last person executed for blasphemy in Britain.
http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scottishenlightenment/before/index.asp
 GrouchoMinx
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Posted: 1/9/2015 2:44:24 AM
I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it - Voltaire

Most religions forbid the taking of human life - though mealy-mouthed self-seeking hypocrites can find justification for their immoral actions in the scriptures (do I need to name the warmongering, peace-envoying, Save The Children award-winning low-life? - plenty more examples of Christian, Jewish and Islamic 'faith' and none, unfortunately).

Karma will get them in the end. Unfortunately not soon enough...
 Jo van
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Posted: 1/9/2015 6:31:45 AM

It was the last execution in britain for blasphemy before the enlightenment. Maybe one day islam can catch up.

(My Bold)
The "Blasphemy law" was only repealed in 2008 here.
It was replaced by the " Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006", thanks to that covert ring-kissing god-botherer, T. B. Liar.
We're still really not that 'far ahead' Vlad..
Women could only bring rape charges against their husbands after 1992, and the various churches still have problems with equality for women, and gay marriage.

As I said, by giving credence to the myths contained in the "Abrahamic" texts ourselves, we endorse the beliefs of "Islam".
The bible ("OLD Testament") is full of direct instructions, FROM GOD" to kill "non-believers".
The bible itself, along with the "tora", or the "quran" (sp?) are full of incitements for racial and religious hatred.
6 of the "ten commandments" are about "worshipping no other gods", and this was punishable by death, as was failure to observe the "sabbath".

Having said all of that, I don't doubt that most adherents to these beliefs are "well-meaning".
'Sociologically speaking', religion has been 'worn' as a 'badge of goodness', and accepted as that, by society.

The problem is, because it's all bollux, and because there aren't really any "gods", to 'police' it, it has always been very simple for some very BAD people to wear those 'badges' too.

They recently discovered the remains of some 800 CHILDREN, at a former children's home, run by "nuns", in Ireland (I think?) It didn't get much news coverage.
These were the children of "sinners", born "outside of wedlock".
Their remains showed the symptoms of malnutrition, and abuse.
Their frail bodies, not considered "worthy" of any sort of dignified disposal, were thrown into a cess-pit, to decompose, in shit.

This was still going on, well into the '60s and '70s. Children were systematically removed from their mothers, if they weren't married. Sometimes, they were told they were "orphans", and shipped to Australia, as a form of "forced labour". Well into the '60s, un-married mothers were still being put into long-term 'mental institutions', and declared "mad".

And of course, the genital mutilation of males, is still considered (by some) to be "normal procedure".
"Our" "English" national flag, "The Cross of St George", is a religious symbol.
The same one worn by the "crusaders", when they invaded the "holy lands", and began the current 1,000 odd years of religious wars, we've had there ever since.

The "death sentence" was imposed on some 100,000 -200,000 (No-one's counting) mainly civilians, in Afghanistan, or Iraq, and of course in Gaza, where the myths of one tribe, were imposed on another, by force.
We're really not that far "in front", yet.

But I DO have "faith".
I have faith that eventually, the truth will prevail.
Truth is what science seeks.
I believe it to be the "quiescent state" of knowledge;
The more we know, the closer we get to the truth.

The world isn't 8,000 years old.
"God" didn't "create" it, and all the animals in it, as they now are, in just "7 Days".
The universe doesn't "revolve around the earth".
And Santa, sorry, "God", doesn't "know" if you've "been good or bad",
But WE do.

"Priests", "Rabbis", " Mullahs" etc etc., don't just want you to "worship god",
they want you to worship THEM too!
It keeps them in their cushy jobs, it gains them the sort of 'social status' which they wouldn't otherwise be able to achieve, on merit alone, and they get to wear a spangly dress, and a big hat.
Some may be well-meaning, but they are, nonetheless, charlatans.
All of them.

Religions;
Just say no, kids.
HTH
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/9/2015 7:44:23 AM
It seems hard to comprehend that the french security services knew about the murderers and how they had embraced the barking side of
islam and yet they appeared to stop monitoring them. Ive just heard on sky news the morrocan (i think) security services had warned the french services
about these arseholes and an immenent attack.

Sorry jo but it was not the blasphemy law i was meaning but being executed for blasphemy. Folk being killed by the state at the behest of the
church was last carried out in britain in edinburgh in 1697.
Unfortunately this is not the case in a good many islamic nations. Execution is still carried out for blasphemy. So if nations we recognise and
trade with execute folk for blasphemy then why can we be too shocked when the loony individuals see execution for blasphemy as being alright?

I also agree that every religion has its bampots. I was reading recently about Buddhists killing muslims somewhere. FFS i though Buddhists were
anti violence!!!! No matter what religion or indeed no religion though the end result is always the same. Some ****er gets 'offended' so another
poor ****er has to die.

Religion though can play a part. If folk find comfort through religion in time of need then fair enough. Plenty christian groups in the uk are out
feeding the homeless and providing shelter. (Other religions will do the same but i am not familiar with what they do). If like minded folk want
to meet like minded folk in a place to worship some belief then who are we to deny them? Athiests and agnostics also meet in a place with like
minded folk. Usually the boozer but its much the same.

You are of course correct about the catholic church in particular and the crimes carried out by its representatives. Peter Mullins film the
magdalene sisters was sad and enraging at the same time. Terrorisation, workhouse, abuse and much much more carried out on innocents
by sick individuals.

Although i think pope frankie is stirring things quite well just now. I believe he will not be quite so meek as those who poped in and poped out again.
Hopefully he will bring change to catholicism. (This is just an example of what i mean and is not meant as one of my anti eu wafflings)

"STRASBOURG -- Pope Francis has attacked the European Union's "opulent" and "aloof" leadership and institutions in an extraordinary speech to the Strasbourg parliament, the first from the pontiff in more than a quarter of a decade.

The historic address, which accused politicians of treating citizens not with "dignity and transcendence" but as "cogs in a machine", saw the Pope take the EU's handling of the economic crisis to task, saying it had forgotten how to talk about anything but economics and treat people as humans beings.

Speaking in Italian, he accused the continent of becoming irrelevant and "haggard". The world, the Pope says, has become "less and less Eurocentric".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/25/pope-francis-european-parliament_n_6217178.html


And finally here is a nice wee clip from spitting image My God Is Bigger Than Your God

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwXrcz-F9M
 Jo van
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Posted: 1/9/2015 11:15:39 AM

Religion though can play a part. If folk find comfort through religion in time of need then fair enough. Plenty christian groups in the uk are out
feeding the homeless and providing shelter. (Other religions will do the same but i am not familiar with what they do). If like minded folk want
to meet like minded folk in a place to worship some belief then who are we to deny them? Athiests and agnostics also meet in a place with like
minded folk. Usually the boozer but its much the same.

What people find comfort in, (IMO) is the contact of other people.
Sympathy, compassion, support and encouragement, just knowing that someone else cares about you.
I've got no problems with any of that.

What really grinds my gears, is that once a person has got "better" from whatever it was that ailed them, the various churches then tell them that they only got through it, because they believed in "god",
-and further; that not only will they get worse again, if they stop believing,
but they'll also "burn in hell", for ever and ever, Amen Corner.

That's like giving someone a placebo, and they improve,
but then telling them, that they'll die, if they don't keep buying the placebo, from you!!!

And don't even get me started on the cat-licks mate!
There's just too much, we'll be here all night!
It's been calculated that the wealth of the catholic church alone, could eradicate all world poverty, at a single stroke!!
Most of it "hidden" behind "trusts", and "trusts", hiding behind even more "trusts".
And let's not forget the "jewish" banking connections too.
The "church of england" is still a major land-owner and landlord here, and until this century, (?) when the "Campaign Against the Arms Trade" brought it to the public's attention, much of it's wealth was "invested" in Arms manufacturers.
-And tobacco companies, and erm.....pornographers.

It's funny how one person being "saved" from imminent death, "by prayer", is deemed a "miracle".
That's one person, who was "expected" to die, simply NOT dying.
But when 250,000, who were "expected" to LIVE, are killed suddenly, despite the probable fervour of their own prayers, as in the 2004 tsunami, they're not so keen to claim 'ownership'.

The one thing ALL religions have in common though; they all like to "go large" on their buildings, and "places of worship".
The bigger, and more expensive, the better "god" likes it, apparently...
"God" likes a bit of bling, or so the "religious leaders" would have us er.. believe.

That's despite any ambient poverty, amongst their own "faithful".
"God" wont listen, apparently, unless his "leaders" here, live in palaces, where everything is covered in gold.....

Of course, they, -the "religious leaders" are now all queuing up to "denounce" this latest atrocity.
They'll tell you that "religion is a thing of peace".

But until they also "denounce" the hateful, violent, patriarchal, misogynist shit, which is in ALL religious texts, as the crappulence it really is, (because that was the "norm" when all this primitive fictitious drivel was written),
and not only denounce it; REMOVE IT COMPLETELY, until they do that, then they aren't really helping.

Because, until they do that, there will always be some simple-minded goon, who thinks that he's doing "god's work", when he kills an "infidel", or a "barbarian", (which is how "we" used to refer to anyone "non-christian"),
JMO
Terms and conditions apply.
Let's end with a rousing chorus of "Onward christian soldiers"!
Here's to long weekends.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 1/10/2015 4:22:51 AM
What sheer stuff and bloody nonsense from the conspiracy brigade. What are you trying to say, that that policeman is still alive or that maybe he was shot by his own side?

I'm no firearms expect but that looks like the gases from the rifle. See example of AK47 being fired here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2W5fcq1MRc
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/11/2015 6:05:25 PM
In what has to be one of the best pieces of brass neckery i have witnessed in years i have chortled like a politician collecting his expenses today.
The sheer audacity of the uk press, political establishment, religious leaders and daftie students alike all producing onions and weeping because
of the murders in paris and the attack on free speech.

Whilst the french elites were calling for all french folk to join them in condemning the attack on free speech and democracy they err banned the
Front National from attending because free speech and democracy is not for the likes of them and their millions of french voters apparently.

Not to be outdone OUR elitist dafties were waffling on about attacks on the free press, attacks on our liberties and indeed attacking folks right
to speak freely. Somehow forgetting all the draconian laws passed silencing folks freedom of speech and freedom to speak freely.
(Just think police scotland who can now arrest folk on the basis that someone somewhere might get offended by something they have never seen or heard)


"PETER HITCHENS: The sinister, screeching mob who want to kill free speech (And no, I DON'T mean the Islamist terrorists in our midst)"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2904968/The-sinister-screeching-mob-want-kill-free-speech-no-DON-T-mean-Islamist-terrorists-midst.html#ixzz3OZFI2IwP

Now i am an avid reader of the online magazine Spiked. It is well worth a gander folks. Brendan O'Neil is the head honcho and he has written a belter of an
article about "What if Charlie Hebdo had been published here"?
You should check it out on spiked as there are links to every point he makes. Things that have already been used against uk citizens. Lets see just how long it takes
until someone in the uk gets arrested for doing exactly what the liberal elites cried over. Exercising freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

"Week 1: Magazine’s editors and staff get No Platformed by the National Union of Students on the grounds that their publication has been ‘identified by the NUS’s Democratic Procedures Committee as holding racist or fascist views’. They are forbidden from all campuses.

Week 6: The Independent and the Guardian publish a series of high-profile comment pieces slamming Charlie Hebdo for its ‘racist provocation’. They accuse it of ‘unpleasant Islamophobia’ and say it is provoking real-world violence against Muslims.

Week 9: Muslim campaign groups, backed by liberal lawyers, take legal action against the magazine under three different laws: incitement to racial hatred, malicious communications, and public disorder. "
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/what-if-icharlie-hebdo-i-had-been-published-in-britain/16443#.VLMo3dBFBct
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/11/2015 11:10:08 PM
Ah dear auld brum. That be your neck of the woods is it not missus? Now i have only been to brum twice. Although i will
own up to listening to my mates in lahndahn when i lived and worked there. They being londoners do not really like
anyone from anywhere else. And on the guzzle down bethnal green on a sunday manys the time i was told that brum was nearly
as bad as sahf o the rivah.

First time in brum was after a drink on a friday night after work when the suggestion of 'lets go to the F.A cup semi final at villa park to
see spurs v leicester' resulted in 3 of us waking up in new street station about 6 ish in the morning still in our working clothes.
I mind the bull ring was a bit shitty though.

Second time was when the hibees played villa pre season. 5 of us travelled by coach from london. 4 ****in hours it took us. Then
the polis were complete and utter tossers. Back to new street and got the shit kicked out of us by a mob of young black geezers outside
a mcdonalds. Into a pub with an irish name to clean up. It was villas lads boozer.

So i have to admit i find the place accursed.

But yep that was journalism worthy of hacks at the scunthorpe daily bugle. But...............
I wonder if the daftie read this article. It was reprinted in one of the weekend rags. So c'mon missus give us the hard sell and tell us why we should
COME TO BRUM

"I have just returned to London, where I have lived since I was 11. I have been away for four years, living as an ethnic minority in a monocultural part of the world, amassing a host of stories to tell to disbelieving friends. On the whole, I am glad to return. I shan't miss some locals' assumptions that, being a white woman, if I was outside after dark, as I occasionally was, usually to walk the few metres between my house and the church, I must be a prostitute eager to give them a blow job. I shan't miss the abuse my priest husband received: the daubing of "Dirty white dogs" in red paint on the church door, the barrage of stones thrown at him by children shouting "Satan". He was called a "f***ing white **stard" more than once, though, notably, never when in a cassock. I will also not miss the way our garden acted as the local rubbish dump, with items ranging from duvets and TV sets, to rats (dead or twitching) glued to cardboard strips, a popular local method of vermin control to stem the large numbers of them which scuttled between the rubbish piled in gardens and on pavements. Yes, I am very glad to have left Britain's second city."
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/3650/full
 Jo van
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Posted: 1/12/2015 5:05:57 AM

@ Jo Van: You are not now, and have never been the only person who "gets it" about religon. Why do you insist on posting as if you are?

WB., BTW,
I don't "insist", but I don't post my views for the "benefit" of those who do "get it", I post for the vast majority, who still don't.
Paradoxically, I'm only "preaching to the converted"
I try to do so in a way that might make somebody investigate further, for themselves.

Particularly as the normal response to these kinds of atrocities, is for the various "faiths" to 'close ranks', and declare this to be the work of "extremists", and how the vast majority of believers don't act in this way.
That may be true.

BUT, as all of the instructions to kill "non-believers" come directly from "god", and still appear in the "sacred" books, including the bible, which apparently can't be changed, or edited, because they're supposedly the "word of god", I felt it was worth pointing this out.

Religions have been with us for so long, they have been accepted as "fact". 30% of our state schools are still "faith schools", and an even larger, and growing number of "private" "academies" have been set up to "teach" religious beliefs, to yet another generation.

People like Peter Hitchin still don't "get it".
I've seen him proselytising for the "christian" church, he's a big "believer" himself, and yet here he is, yet again, using words like "islamification". Like most xenophobes, he imagines "christianity" to be a very "English" thing.

The most vociferous advocates for the establishment and growth of islam, here, have been the christian churches and the 'establishment'..
The archbishops, and of course "prince Charlie", our future "monarch", who has stated his intent to change the title from "Defender of THE Faith", singular, to "Defender of Faith", -plural, to include ALL faith.
He likes the idea of "faith", because without it, there would presumably be no such thing as "the divine right of kings". etc.
It was PC who got personally involved in my town, to over-turn a council planning application refusal, for yet another "mosque", though it's been dubbed a "Center for Islamic Studies". Not that there's much difference with a minaret, and our many 'dreaming spires'. Current cost about £80 million (I think), and still climbing. It's not finished yet, it's only been about 8 years.

I don't think most people think about it enough, they just accept that "religion/faith is a good thing".
-And that (IMO) is part of the problem.
These idiots (terrorists/jihadis) don't see themselves as "extremists",
they see themselves as "the most devout", the most pious, or the most "good",
-because they are the only ones who are following "god's instructions", to the letter!

This is a great reference aid, for anyone who doesn't believe me:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/

As long as I live in a society dominated by religions, where, what can only be accurately described as primitive superstitious belief, has been "embraced" by the establishment, to the extent that we are still officially a "christian" state, and that state has established a "jewish state", (Israel) and a "muslim state" (Pakistan), I shall continue to take the piss.
Charlie Hebdot mocks ALL religions, not just islam,
I applaud that.
Je suis Charlie.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/12/2015 11:39:26 AM
Ach maybe we should go back in time and resurect a time when you could imagine there's no heaven? It's easy if you try.
No even a hundred years ago we had religion free societys.
Oh where are you lenin/stalin and soviet russia? Come back that coolest of cats chairman meow and the cultural revolution.
And a longing for the day when pol pot called who he wanted 'a black kettle' in cambodia.

No vicars doing charitable acts, no catholic church doing what it did best. No rabbis waffling on about being gods chosen.
And no barking imams telling young gadgies if they want a shot on the swings with loads of wimmin then kill yourself.

If only those religion free utopias had been listened to. The poor fools in russia loved john leningrads songs imagine
voting it best song every year behing the seminal vinyl album Tractor Production in the Trans Caucasus by comrade
singer ivana fookoff.
If only the poor fools realised it mocked them in favour of 'god'.


"Imagine"

Imagine there's no politburo
It's easy if you try
No coal or salt mines below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the comrade peasants
Living for today...

Imagine there's no soviet satellite states
It isn't hard to do just don't say it out loud
Nothing to queue to buy for
And no nkvd too
Imagine all the workers of the world uniting
Living life in the gulag in spiritual peace...

Denounced because I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday your anti bourgeoisie anti kulak village will be deported and come
And the gulag will be as one

Imagine no possessions
It's easy living in the godless anti capatilist workers paradise
No need for greed or hunger in the parties new 5 year plan
A fraternal anti bourgeoisie brotherhood of man
Imagine all the party apparatchiks
Sharing all the world...

The secret police said I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday your collective gets denounced
And in the gulag we can die as one.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:57:02 AM
DT - agree with everything you say but nope - very few of us embraced multi-culturalism. We were never allowed a vote on the EU and immigration. I don't know anyone in real life who wants this level of immigration.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:26:27 AM
How can you disagree with my experiences? If my friends and acquaintances tell me something, in this case they don't want this level of immigration, then that is quite simply a fact. If you are suggesting that voting for successive political parties who have pretty much the same views means we are supporting that idea, it is simply because there has been no choice. Now that UKIP is on the scene there is some choice but it is a difficult one to make for many people. In reality we have been given no choice and are still being denied a voice on this. The idea that Cameron will honour his commitment to a referendum is just for the birds. So yes, sorry, but the UK will be Muslim in near history as will much of the rest of the world. Sad.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:42:25 PM
So maya if what ye say be uneconomical with the truth then you will not catch VD in brum.
So to speak of course.

Now that american expert gadgie who talked of brum actually being brumistan and making
a bit of a div of himself i be reading the following.

"WHITE working class Brummies fear parts of their city have become no-go areas for them.

The shock claim has been made in a bombshell Government report into how poor white people feel about immigration.

The study has also revealed that hard-working white Brummies fear politicians have betrayed them in favour of refugees and single mothers."
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/the-area-of-birmingham-that-are-no-go-areas-for-white-237564

I have to admit to hee hawing a wee bit at the refugees/single mothers comparison. The article is about a place called castle vale.
Be there any truth in't article or is it a load of jackson pollocks?

You have to remember for every ozzy osborne there is a jasper carrot equivalent and brum IS guilty of some gawd (any religion welcome)
awful crimes against humanity. Well the uk anyway.

Crossroads.
I rest my case.

Although i do mind hearing that yonks ago birmingham city fans used to chant at rival fans 'you'r going home like sandy richardson'.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:10:45 PM
Oh and talking of so called 'no go' areas i was having a wee read the other night and found a couple of things.
I would think that a fair majority of muslims just want to get on with life. Earn some wages, look after the
family and basically just enjoy their time on the planet.

Up here in scotland we do not have the mass immigration that england encountered. Apart from pollockshields
where there is a sizeable pakistani muslim concentration. But looking around some of the small towns in the
north of englandshire they seem to me to be getting ghettoised. In parts of englandshire it seems integration
has just not worked. (Cue oxford calling oxford calling waffling about brits in spain but that is a non argument).

Multi racial and multi culti are two differant things as far as i am concerned. But how long until the near basket
case uk becomes the apparently full basket case that is sweden?

Personally mystic Vlad sees lots of trouble ahead. And it does seem to be heading to a final conflict between islam
and the rest of us.

"The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the criminal gangs. These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter, which has led to them routinely requesting police escort.

These no-go zones are primarily so-called “exclusion areas” which is the politically correct term for the 186 ghettos that have sprung up around Sweden in the past two decades. These areas are predominantly populated by immigrants from muslim countries with low education and even lower employment rates.

Edit 2: Some readers have expressed disbelief that things really could be this bad in Sweden. Well, the ambulance union is now demanding military protection gear to enter these no-go zones. If the police releasing an official report isn’t enough, perhaps you will at least listen to the people having to work in these areas?"
http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/

Now if only we had someone like iron erna. Although an elitist windbag has told norwegian women that it is their fault if muslim men rape them. Its how
they dress you see?

"The new Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg, known more affectionately as “Iron Erna” began a program which targets and deports immigrants who have ties to radical groups or have committed violent crimes while in Norway.
While many in the West suggest this is a racist move, it's worked in a dramatic fashion and with national, not racial, identification and violent crime figures have dropped dramatically.
“Oslo Local News” reports violent crime has decreased by 31 per cent after a record number of immigrants were deported by Norwegian authorities.

But not everyone in Norway is happy with the fall in violent crime. One academic, Dr Unni Wikan, Professor of Social Anthropology at the University of Oslo slammed the new policy saying:
“Norwegian women must take responsibility for the fact that Muslim men find their manner of dress provocative. And since these men believe women are responsible for rape, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them.” "
http://pickeringpost.com/story/erna-grabs-a-problem-by-the-balls/4133
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:19:36 AM
One of the problems with immigration is the lack of integration and I don't think for many immigrants who have a strong faith belief there is much option. I read somewhere that Muslims want / need to live close to a mosque so that they can pray 5 times a day - sounds a but like an excuse but plausible. Same for Sikhs and others I guess.
 GeordieColin
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:07:44 PM
Was all of the motivation from these nutter radicals born out of the financial interests of the financial world wishing to muscle into the the prospects of muslim countries?
When I was about 8 I recall asking a family member what was it like working in the middle east.
He told me it was horrible the hostility that they met by being none Muslim and western. Oil interests in the middle east from outsiders has always been there. International control has only became a big issue over the last few decades.
Finance and oil.
It will only get worse.
We invited these outrages from the middle east and the extremist idiots are simply a product from that
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 1/18/2015 6:31:27 AM
Cornwall Islamic Community Centre Truro; perhaps the allure of a MP's second home is diminishing in Cornwall?
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