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 tgif111
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Msg: 1
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President Obama denounced a group of Republican senators Monday for warning Iran that any nuclear deal could be a temporary one, calling it an attempt to undermine the administration's foreign policy.

"It's somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran," Obama said of an open letter from Republicans who have questioned the prospect of a nuclear agreement. "It's an unusual coalition."

In the letter to Iran's leaders, 47 Senate Republicans said that any deal is only an "executive agreement" that may not last beyond Obama's presidency, which ends on Jan. 20, 2017.


questions:
was this a good idea?
was this disrespectful or an embarrassment to the president?
did it undermine his authority?
are the Republicans so confident of a GOP White House victory in 2016 that they thought the letter was only a warning?
was this a warning to the president that he had taken executive privilege too far?
was the 10 year deal good or as Netanyahu said it was a "path" to a nuclear Iran?

your thoughts......
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 3/10/2015 7:15:26 AM

your thoughts......


I thought your president summed it up accurately.


President Obama denounced a group of Republican senators Monday for warning Iran that any nuclear deal could be a temporary one, calling it an attempt to undermine the administration's foreign policy.

"It's somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran," Obama said of an open letter from Republicans who have questioned the prospect of a nuclear agreement. "It's an unusual coalition."


It's bizarre that partisan politics in your country has gone so far that some of them are seeking to enlist the help of a foreign country to thwart the foreign policy aims of the legitimate US government.
It certainly is an unusual coalition.

The Republ-Iran Party.
 Tsar850
Joined: 3/23/2013
Msg: 3
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Posted: 3/10/2015 7:31:17 AM

Introduction

The United States often enters into agreements with other countries. Two types of agreements are treaties and executive agreements. The United States Constitution art. 2, § 2 dictates that treaties are international agreements that have received the advice and consent of two-thirds of the Senate and have been ratified by the President. There are two types of treaties. Bilateral treaties are agreements made by two countries. Multilateral treaties are agreements made by three or more countries. As chief executive of the United States, the President has the authority to create international agreements with other nations without Senate approval. These international agreements are called executive agreements.

Treaty-Making Process

Treaties are initiated at the executive level of government usually by the President or the Secretary of State. A representative for the United States is sent to negotiate the terms of the treaty with the representatives of other countries. When the parties agree on the terms, the representative submits the terms to the Secretary of State for approval. If the terms are accepted by the Secretary of State, then the representative will sign the treaty. The Secretary of State submits the treaty to the President for transmittal to the Senate.

Once the President receives the treaty, it is submitted to the Senate for approval. In the Senate, it is referred to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for consideration. The committee considers the terms of the treaty and, upon approval, submits the treaty to the entire Senate for consideration. The Senate must approve the treaty with a 2/3 majority vote. The President ratifies the treaty and proclaims its entry into force.

Executive-Agreement Process

Executive Agreements follow much of the same process as treaties. They are initiated at the Executive level of government and are negotiated by a representative. When the parties agree on the terms, the Secretary of State authorizes the negotiator to sign the agreement and the agreement will enter into force. Executive agreements do not go to the Senate for consideration and approval. However, the Senate does need to be notified by the Executive Branch within 60 days of signing the agreement [Case-Zablocki Act (1 U.S.C. § 112b)].



News flash for obamobots..... He is not a king the Senate has to approve the treaty........

So they are just making sure the Iranian government knows this won't be a actual treaty.....

There are three branches of government.... And they are NOT OBAMA HIS PEN AND HIS PHONE!!!!!
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 3/10/2015 8:12:51 AM

And they are NOT OBAMA HIS PEN AND HIS PHONE!!!!!
LMFAO ...

Spoken like a true "teabagger" ... dipping himself into Faux (Entertainment) News' mouth ... ... ... day after day after day ... after month after month ... after year. (Someone get that guy some Bodyglide ... Anti-Chafe Balm. You know ... all natural, non-greasy ... stops friction and creates a protective barrier on your skin ... prevents chafing, blisters, rash, saddle sores, and skin irritation from all that "teabagging".)

Again ... the teabaggers / republicans have no alternative ... other than going to war with still another country in the Middle East. It's just another move beneath the dignity of Congress. What's new?
 Tsar850
Joined: 3/23/2013
Msg: 5
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Posted: 3/10/2015 8:20:51 AM

LMFAO ...

Spoken like a true "teabagger" ... dipping himself into Faux (Entertainment) News' mouth ... ... ... day after day after day ... after month after month ... after year. (Someone get that guy some Bodyglide ... Anti-Chafe Balm. You know ... all natural, non-greasy ... stops friction and creates a protective barrier on your skin ... prevents chafing, blisters, rash, saddle sores, and skin irritation from all that "teabagging".)

Again ... the teabaggers / republicans have no alternative ... other than going to war with still another country in the Middle East. It's just another move beneath the dignity of Congress. What's new?


Really all you have is ad hominem attacks...... Not that I expected any better from you......

The sanctions were better than this.
You do realize that obozo will be out of office and the next POTUS will most likely be from theGOP.

Which BTW I'm a libertarian.... But nice try keep goosestepping to obozoz cadence......
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 6
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:57:48 AM
The easy way to answer these questions is to turn the tables...if either Bush president was making arrangements with Saddam, and the Democrats in Congress did this, how would it play on the Rush Limbaugh show?

If a general made a deal on an Afgan battlefield with the Taliban (which did happen from time to time), and the officers under his command told the Taliban, "as soon as the general is gone, so is his deal", what would that be called?

If as a father, you discipline your child, and your wife tells your child, "as soon as Daddy leaves for work, that's going to change", would you pull your wife aside and talk about united fronts?

The other question of course is, why did this letter happen so soon after Bibi showed up? Is Congress truly taking over the job of CINC from the Executive Branch?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 7
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:27:40 AM

was this a good idea?


If showing yourself as a war loving America hating person was the goal, then it was a great idea.




was this disrespectful or an embarrassment to the president?


Very much disrespectful and shows little to no class.




did it undermine his authority?


Nope, only goes to make it stronger, as the rest of the country gets to see who the real war mongers are.




are the Republicans so confident of a GOP White House victory in 2016 that they thought the letter was only a warning?


There will not be a republican in the Whitehouse, because then the GOP would have to do stuff instead of preventing stuff.




was this a warning to the president that he had taken executive privilege too far?


What executive privilege was used?




was the 10 year deal good or as Netanyahu said it was a "path" to a nuclear Iran?


It is a good deal, unless you are invested in companies that will profit from war.
 Tsar850
Joined: 3/23/2013
Msg: 8
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:39:31 AM

The easy way to answer these questions is to turn the tables...if either Bush president was making arrangements with Saddam, and the Democrats in Congress did this, how would it play on the Rush Limbaugh show?


If the Senate is being left out when the laws say they are to be included what does it matter what a talk show host says..... If it is a treaty it has to go to the Senate to be ratified or it is null and void.
If it is Executive Agreement which still has to have the Senates knowledge within sixty days...... And is null and void if a new POTUS decides to vacate the agreement.

As far as weakness in the present potUS no one in the world takes anything he says seriously.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 9
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Posted: 3/10/2015 11:09:22 AM
I will just leave you all with this:


Logan Act

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 3/10/2015 11:14:51 AM
^^^

Message 11 ...
Is Congress truly taking over the job of CINC from the Executive Branch?
Nah ... I think there is no limit to how low they will stoop to undermine this president. Even when they put on their sunglasses ... the president still looks "darker" than anyone else and they just can't get past that.

Having this smart and articulate "black" man in their "white" house is just more than they can handle. Their vows to derail him didn't work out the first four years, so now they are working on accomplishing it in the second four years.

Message 13 ...
He claims he's a some sort of libertarian ...

If it walks like a "teabagger" ... talks like a "teabagger" ... send the man the "bodyglide" ... he'll need it ...
(Don't want those tender man parts to get too chafed.)
 Tsar850
Joined: 3/23/2013
Msg: 11
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Posted: 3/10/2015 11:23:42 AM

Having this smart and articulate "black" man in their "white" house is just more than they can handle. Their vows to derail him didn't work out the first four years, so now they are working on accomplishing it in the second four years.


And you know you've p!ssed them off when they play the race card...........


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_Republicans

Please tell us how many race cards is in Obama's deck?........ Seems like that's all he has......
 Tsar850
Joined: 3/23/2013
Msg: 12
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Posted: 3/10/2015 11:32:04 AM

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States,


Okay let's see if the senators have authority.........


Once the President receives the treaty, it is submitted to the Senate for approval. In the Senate, it is referred to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for consideration. The committee considers the terms of the treaty and, upon approval, submits the treaty to the entire Senate for consideration. The Senate must approve the treaty with a 2/3 majority vote. The President ratifies the treaty and proclaims its entry into force.


Well there you have it...... They do have the authority..........

Is the congress impeding obozoz agenda....... Yes and the founding fathers designed it that way for just such a man as this.


President Obama is taking a swipe at the Founding Fathers, blaming his inability to move his agenda on the “disadvantage” of having each state represented equally in the Senate.

At a Democratic fundraiser in Chicago Thursday night, Mr. Obama told a small group of wealthy supporters that there are several hurdles to keeping Democrats in control of the Senate and recapturing the House. One of those problems, he said, is the apportionment of two Senate seats to each state regardless of population.

“Obviously, the nature of the Senate means that California has the same number of Senate seats as Wyoming. That puts us at a disadvantage,” Mr. Obama said.



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/23/obama-blames-structural-design-congress-gridlock/#ixzz3U0cAeANa
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 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 13
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Posted: 3/10/2015 11:44:44 AM
I really wonder what the Republicans think they're getting with this? Seems fairly moronic, even for them.


The Wall Street Journal took down the letter in an editorial Tuesday calling the deal with Iran possibly “the security blunder of the young century” and saying that Congress should vote on it, “which is why it’s too bad that Republican Senators took their eye off that ball on Monday with a letter to the government of Iran.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-09/did-47-u-s-senators-just-commit-treason-by-attempting-to-sabotage-iran-deal-

The Senate gets to "advise" and to "consent"--nothing else. They don't get to negotiate. That's executive branch territory.

And they just made it a LOT less likely that a Republican will/could be President in 2016. I'll take one emailgate and raise you one 47traitors hashtag.

Bibi's sending fruit baskets.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 14
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Posted: 3/10/2015 12:57:19 PM

This is treasonous. They have no authority to negotiate with a foreign leader. That is why the State Dept is in the Executive Branch.




Skootchie,
are you saying members of congress can't talk to or make deals with foreign leaders or radicals?

that if they do they are traitors?
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 15
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Posted: 3/10/2015 1:07:36 PM
Some terrorist is sitting in a dusty cave deep in the Middle East looking at his radicalized Islamic jihad calendar. He or she knows they need to have their next deadly attack occur while their "understanding colleague" is still in office. What a fine day for the United States of America to get a classic President Ronald W. Reagan personality behind that desk! That will certainly give the evildoers some pause.
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 3/10/2015 1:34:37 PM

What a fine day for the United States of America to get a classic President Ronald W. Reagan personality behind that desk! That will certainly give the evildoers some pause.


Irony alert, person does not understand that Reagan sold weapons to Iran to fund and illegal war.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/10/2015 2:21:33 PM

He or she knows they need to have their next deadly attack occur while their "understanding colleague" is still in office.
Oh dear ... I wonder who was president in 2001 ... you know, that time when we endured a deadly attack?


What a fine day for the United States of America to get a classic President Ronald W. Reagan personality behind that desk! That will certainly give the evildoers some pause.
Becky ... I thought you were against presidents who "make deals with terrorists".

Wasn't it "Alzheimer Ronnie" who was making deals with Iran to secretly sell them arms (transfers through Israel) in exchange for US hostages? Didn't they also use the proceeds of the sale of those weapons in order to send weapons to Nicaragua (insurgents) even though there was a "congressional ban" on doing that?

The "evildoers" are drooling over the prospects of having "Becky's" wish come true ...
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 18
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Posted: 3/10/2015 3:28:55 PM

tgif,
The Congress has no Constitutional authority to establish relations during diplomatic negotiations. They are trying to undermine our president.


Hey, Dems! If you’re angry about the GOP letter to Iran, what about Ted Kennedy dealing with the Soviets?


Just how ridiculous it is for liberals to call Republicans treasonous over a letter to Iran?



Wasn't it "Alzheimer Ronnie" who was making deals with Iran to secretly sell them arms (transfers through Israel) in exchange for US hostages? Didn't they also use the proceeds of the sale of those weapons in order to send weapons to Nicaragua (insurgents) even though there was a "congressional ban" on doing that?


As in, remember that time when Sen. Ted Kennedy allegedly tried to get the Soviets to help Dems win the 1984 election…

Sweaty Teddy told the Soviets that Reagan wouldn't be president forever so just be patient. the soviets gave Daniel Ortega millions to help fight the freedom fighters.


so you DEMS and Ted Kennedy are traitors as well!!!!!!
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 19
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Posted: 3/10/2015 6:45:38 PM
in all honesty Skootch Man, this president is so weak almost any foreign leader looks better. that doesn't mean we like that foreign leader it's just that he makes The Golfer look like Walter Mitty - big dreams but just that ----dreams.

he has no balls. he's a limp dyck.
his wife has more testosterone. I want my president to be strong and with a powerful vision.

Barry Hussein looks like Captain America BEFORE he went into the gene altering machine.
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 3/10/2015 7:33:55 PM
If our President is so weak why are these idiots constantly trying to undermine him at every turn with absolutely no concern for the welfare of the country they swore to uphold?

Whether treasonous or not is up for serious consideration; whatever this is it is really bad form and as far as I know unprecedented; for those that need vocabulary help means it never happened when a man with a lighter complexion resided on PA Avenue.

Like the Hillary E-mails I've got a couple of questions: Where were these schmucks when Robert McFarlane made a half dozen trips to Tehran before the 1980 election and the hostages were miraculously released upon Alzhiemers and Chief Raygun's Inauguration and not weeksif not MONTHS before? With no documentation to support any of the lunacy over Benghazzi where were these schmucks when Bush 43 issued more than 200 of his Administration's nearly 1,000 DOCUMENTED FALSE STATEMENTS leading up the the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

Man, Hillary scares the poop out of these unAmerican schmucks. With the lack of critical thinking shown in this thread by the OP and others I would guess these arguable traitors are banking on disinformation keeping a hold of there gerry mandered districts.

Parrots eventually get old and get shot, don't they?

"Think! It's very patriotic."
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 21
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Posted: 3/10/2015 7:39:33 PM

Barry Hussein looks like Captain America BEFORE he went into the gene altering machine.


Well, *that* was an astute political observation. Thanks, Shmoopy.

Interesting that Kennedy, privately sent a friend with a proposal to help the Soviets navigate nuclear disarmament, whilst the Republicans, very publicly, wish to dash such agreements. Kennedy wished help with an election; the Republicans wish to destroy an elected President.

And no, I don't think it was okay for Kennedy to do what he did. And it's 47 times more dishonorable what the Republicans have done.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 22
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:17:46 PM

If our President is so weak why are these idiots constantly trying to undermine him at every turn with absolutely no concern for the welfare of the country they swore to uphold?


we HAVE to undermine him. it's for the good of the country when you have a leader who is quite simply inept and not up to the job.

you elected a janitor to run IBM, a cashier to run Apple, a pizza delivery boy to run CokaCola.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:09:36 PM

we HAVE to undermine him. it's for the good of the country when you have a leader who is quite simply inept and not up to the job


Ok ,after 6 years I get that the R's don't like anything Pres. Obama may do. Or, try to do. They'll try their best to undo, or stop any idea the man has. Has anyone else noticed this trend?

Fine... Great.... You don't like any of his or the Dems. ideas. So ... If you R's are so smart. So full of ideas how things should be done and how the country should be run. If that is indeed so then what are your ideas about to handle the daily affairs of our nation??

Every time you shoot down the Presidents ideas and or plans you also have an opportunity to suggest one of your own. Why is'nt this happening? Where is your sense of duty, patriotism and why are'nt you folks earning your pay? You're great at shutting things down but not so much at leadership and accomplishment.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 24
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:19:22 PM
Doremi^^^^^^^

I think the repubs would be willing to cooperate with a democratic admin that had their shyt together but when you have a clown running the rodeo it just doesn't cut it.

you'll see more cooperation if a COMPETENT democrat is elected.

the current guy is in waaaaay over his head. let's face it. he just doesn't know what he's doing.

if an incompetent REPUBLICAN is elected then I expect the dems to put a stop to his BS as well.

we are a nation as divided as we were in the civil war.

49% and 49% with just a few on the fence.

remember Lincoln's words.

"A nation divided........"
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:31:30 PM
All I can say is you must have been living elsewhere for the last 6 yrs. I lived thru Bush and Obama and if anyone epitomized the facade of rodeo clown it was W....

But, enough about past rodeos.... Where are the ideas from you R's?? Never mind the cooperation[though it would be something new]. If the man is so incompetent then why are'nt you majority R's picking up the ball after our Pres drops it? You're not doing that at all.... You're only interested in discrediting the man.

And, I disagree with your opinion. I think the Pres. is doing his best when many of the R's are'nt giving him THEIR best. Not just him, but also our country.
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