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 deetristate
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Or does liberal have a different meaning there? Just asking after I saw a very short report on the network news. Please enlighten us as to what motivated this and what to expect.

What will change in Canada? What do people hope will change? Why?

Is this a dynasty?

Thanks. Really interested in learning more from actual Canadians rather than the news.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 10/20/2015 4:36:31 AM
Long story short, Trudeau and the liberals preyed on Mr.Harper and his stupidity, and a few other things. "Change" was at the forefront, and it showed in how people voted. Mr.Harper was true to himself though, and not once decided to "change" no matter the overwhelming evidence to do otherwise. He got his bum whipped, wiped, and kicked.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 10/20/2015 4:43:37 AM
I don't know about Canada, but I can tell you for sure that here in the US, "Liberal" means insanely different things to every subgroup you can name. Some anti-liberals actually think it means "supports eating children."

For sure, liberal in Canada doesn't mean the same thing as liberal here, nor does it mean the same thing as Liberal.

Oh, and the "dynasty" thing is just hyperbole. The Media types like snappy catch phrases, and over-simplified stories to tell, to fill the time between commercials, so they often look for entirely meaningless things to say, like "dynasty."

All that it means in this case, is that the new PM is the son of a previous one. An ACTUAL dynasty would mean that every leader was from the same family over a long period, and that they came into power BECAUSE they were members of the same family.

Freely elected people don't have dynasties.
 B_Hasenpfeffer
Joined: 10/6/2014
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Posted: 10/20/2015 5:27:28 PM

Long story short, Trudeau and the liberals preyed on Mr.Harper and his stupidity, and a few other things. "Change" was at the forefront, and it showed in how people voted

Wrong. Trudeau rode on the name of his father before him, like Luke Skywalker. Many people who voted for him did so only because he was "popular" (like a celebrity) ... hence, "Trudeaumania". And we know celebrity endorsements mean squat. There were people who didn't even know Trudeau's political platform. One news article said a woman voted for him because he's "cute". If that is the extent of Canadian voter's intelligence, we are in trouble.


What will change in Canada? What do people hope will change?

"Change" in Canada is defined as changing from blue underwear to red underwear and back again (Just like you Americans switch from Republicans to Democrats). Or in the case of people voting Liberals, they are hoping for wealth transfer from those who work hard for their money to those who are slackers.

I'm just glad the NDP didn't get in. They're much worse. Alberta's Rachel Nutley's NDP government held off releasing a budget until after the election because they knew that their true colors would hurt Tommy Mulcair at the Federal level. That strategy was an epic failed and Tommy had his a$$ handed to him Monday night.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 10/20/2015 5:50:25 PM
The easy answer here in Canada is a left center country in the world view of things. It is fairly left of the politics in the US. About 60 percent of our country votes for the left through 2 main parties, the Liberals (center left) and the New Democratic party (farther left) and a few fringe or regional parties (Quebec centered and Green Parties)
But for the last 10 years, the left has been divided so the Conservatives came up the middle in many ridings. This election, the left voted strategically behind the Liberals, mostly to repudiate the Conservatives. The internet played a role with strategic voting sites giving best candidates to pick on the left. I believe this was the big shocker in that it actually worked when the polls were predicting a minority government with the vote split between three parties- Conservative, Liberal and NDP.
Its a new day in Canada with a zeal much like the Obama win in the US. I think reality will hit in a while and we will have much of the same with maybe a more left bent, but not a communist takeover. So don't fear Americans, we're still your friends, perhaps even a little friendlier now.
 ThatGirlNamedAlli
Joined: 12/28/2013
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Posted: 10/20/2015 6:02:56 PM
I voted Liberal. And the reason I did was more because of him than the party (although I did listen to the debate and follow platforms a little).
I'm hoping for what a fresh, young, forward thinking, progressive thinking, guy may bring to the table.
I think it's pretty crappy that people would say he's not ready for a job he is perfectly qualified and skilled to do. That's exactly the ignorant discrimination I put up with in employers because I have a disability. So I refuse to become that a-hole.
So I'm happy he's in to stay. And I wish him the best, and hope the best for us Canadians.
 marysunshine02
Joined: 10/11/2015
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Posted: 10/20/2015 6:25:00 PM

Wrong. Trudeau rode on the name of his father before him, like Luke Skywalker. Many people who voted for him did so only because he was "popular" (like a celebrity) ... hence, "Trudeaumania". And we know celebrity endorsements mean squat. There were people who didn't even know Trudeau's political platform. One news article said a woman voted for him because he's "cute". If that is the extent of Canadian voter's intelligence, we are in trouble.


Wrong. You do realize that Pierre Trudeau was elected in 1968. This election had nothing to do with Pierre Trudeau. The turning point for many was the niqab crap and th focus changing to that instead of jobs and the economy. Harper looked like an idiot and Mulcair went from hero to zero (where he belonged).

The markets didn't crash, the sky didn't fall. Many of the smart pundits and even smarter economists are saying we will be more than fine. Change is good.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 10/20/2015 7:25:31 PM
In a Parliamentary democracy, opposition parties don't win elections. Governments lose them.

There was a very strong anti-Harper feeling in the country. It wasn't even anti-Conservative, we just hate Stephen Harper. The Liberal party looked like the best way to get rid of them on Oct. 19. On August 19, it would have been a socialist party elected, because they were the best way to get rid of Harper on that date.
 427cammer
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Posted: 10/20/2015 8:17:53 PM
CoolBreezez:

The easy answer here in Canada is a left center country in the world view of things. It is fairly left of the politics in the US. About 60 percent of our country votes for the left through 2 main parties, the Liberals (center left) and the New Democratic party (farther left) and a few fringe or regional parties (Quebec centered and Green Parties)

I see people say this all the time... not that long ago I used to believe it. The more I thought about it, the more I realised it's not very truthful (I think it's just something we tell ourselves to differentiate us from Americans.... just like some people seem to have pride in their addiction to Tim Horton's coffee).

Both Paul Martin's Liberals and Harper's Conservatives governed in a more conservative manner than anything the US has managed in recent times.... even Mulcair's platform promised a balanced budget although I don't think anyone really believed him.

The only area I will concede that we are more left than the US (and it's no small thing) is government healthcare.


marysunshine02:

This election had nothing to do with Pierre Trudeau.

I don't believe this. Without that last name he never would have been named leader of his party; if he had political aspirations as Justin Brown, for example, he might be running for city council while teaching elementary somewhere.

At least nobody's awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize yet.


^^^^.... one way that we actually did differentiate ourselves from the Americans, is that we didn't seem to go in for political dynasties in the same way as they did (the Bushes, the Clintons, the Kennedys, etc.).

More's the pity.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 10/20/2015 8:18:10 PM
Just wanted to say Thank You! to all my smart, funny, kind, bright Canuckian friends. Congratulations, and may it be omen for us. xox ♥
 marysunshine02
Joined: 10/11/2015
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Posted: 10/20/2015 8:50:15 PM
The Trudeau name got him in originally but the Trudeau name didn't get him elected. I haven't spoken to anyone that said "I'm voting for Trudeau because I liked his father". He was trailing behind Mulcair and Harper and HE came back to win, not his father. People were tired of the Conservatives and terrified of the NDP.

It will be interesting.
 DameWrite
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Posted: 10/20/2015 9:50:08 PM
I'm afraid when it comes to pipelines and "free trade" deals and backing "Canadian" interests militarily...Trudeau seems a bit like a Conservative but with a softer sell. I can't put my trust in a guy who doesn't take a hard stance against fossil fuel extraction.

Elizabeth May was the only one who took a hard stance and spoke about investing in alternative fuels as well as protecting the environment, our food supply/water, keeping housing costs reasonable, affordable health care including natural medicines, anti GMO and anti war.

Hopefully Trudeau will work with the scientists and the other parties better than the dictator, fear mongering, oil tygoon, sell out Harper but I'm not going to hold my breadth.

His support for fossil fuels tell me he may be a sell out as well (when it comes to taking on the serious issue of climate change).

He better start paying attention to the good guys quickly or else nature will send her own demand for change.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 10/21/2015 4:24:01 AM

Wrong. Trudeau rode on the name of his father before him, like Luke Skywalker


Funny statement from someone who was just a twinkle in his fathers'e eyes when Pierre was actually Prime Minister. Do you actually understand that Justin's father wasn't really as "popular" as some wish you to believe? Reread the history books.



Elizabeth May was the only one who took a hard stance and spoke about investing in alternative fuels as well as protecting the environment, our food supply/water, keeping housing costs reasonable, affordable health care including natural medicines, anti GMO and anti war.


And yet, if you watched her talk after the election she was quite happy with the person who is now Prime Minister. Which leads me to believe that she actually believes that Justin has the potential. Not only for us, but, for her party, and their promoted beliefs.

Supposedly quite a few young ones voted for the Liberals because they promised the legalization of pot. That's what I heard anyways. I think it was right after hearing about how "cute" Justin was. :O

Biggest voter turnout in 20 years. And he has said, he doesn't want that involvement to stop. Better than listening to Harper telling me to shut up.
 overunity
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Posted: 10/21/2015 5:08:53 AM
The Conservatives over estimated the intelligence of Canadian voters.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 10/21/2015 6:21:36 AM
They clearly didn't over estimate your intelligence.

By any measure Harper was a deplorable Prime Minister. He showed utter contempt for Canadian values and had absolutely no respect for the democratic institutions of our country. He ordered the Senate to kill a bill passed by the House of Commons for God's sakes. He should be deported.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/21/2015 11:23:16 AM
"Canadian Liberal prime minister designate Justin Trudeau has confirmed that Canada will withdraw its fighter jets from the US-led mission against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

In his first news conference following the sweeping majority Liberal victory in Canada’s federal election, the visibly fatigued leader said he had spoken with US president Barack Obama in a phone call during which he discussed his intention to pull Canada’s fighter jets out of the anti-Isis campaign."

"In his conversation with Obama, the two political leaders also touched on the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal, climate policies, and the imminent American decision on the proposed Keystone XL pipeline project, which Trudeau supports."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/canada-end-airstrikes-syria-iraq-new-prime-minister-trudeau

Well the first part sounds good about bringing the aircraft back. Let the civil war carry on and let russia and iran sort it out. But what is the stance of his party on TPP? And I've read a lot on here about the xl pipeline thing. Why would he support it ?

Hopefully the working class canadians will get a result from this. Although if its anything like the politics in other nations then it will be the same horse different jockey.

Time will tell eh?

Vvvvv
Are your conservatives more like uk ones then? And the TPP thing. The very fact we know little and its all being done on the quiet makes me very suspicious. Exactly WHAT is being hidden from citizens?
 marysunshine02
Joined: 10/11/2015
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Posted: 10/21/2015 11:35:20 AM
We haven't heard all that much about TPP. We've heard a lot of supposition and made up bullshyt from the other 3 parties running against the Conservatives but as to what TPP fully entails - not much info as of yet. I'm not going to knock TPP or say its wonderful until I actually see what it entails for Canadians. What we agreed to may be different than what other countries agreed to.

I'm glad the Liberals got in. The New Democratic Party is run by unions and I hate unions. The Conservatives were out to lunch as far as what Canadians were looking for, obvious by how we voted. They needed 170 seats to be a majority, the Liberals got 184. Voter turnout was just shy of 70%.

Yes, time will tell. The sky didn't fall, the markets didn't crash and we have a Liberal government again after 9 years of the Conservatives. Time for a change.

And Canadian conservatives are vastly different than the U.S. conservatives...thank goodness. And we don't have the teabagger freaks either.
 B_Hasenpfeffer
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Posted: 10/21/2015 11:41:20 AM

Wrong. You do realize that Pierre Trudeau was elected in 1968. This election had nothing to do with Pierre Trudeau. The turning point for many was the niqab crap and th focus changing to that instead of jobs and the economy

Wrong. Trudeau campaigned on name recognition of his old man ... hence, "Trudeaumania". Nothing to do with anyone liking the older fart. Trudeau's target were the celebrity-conscious demographic, like the woman who voted for him because he's "cute". Gag!!

Harper was focused on the economy and protection of jobs with low taxes until the courts began pandering to Muslim minorities that brought about the niqab crap. Harper is right, if these Muslims don't want to unveil during citizenship swearing-ins, then GO HOME!!


Many of the smart pundits and even smarter economists are saying we will be more than fine

Provide sources of these "smart pundits and even smarter economists".


The markets didn't crash, the sky didn't fall

It has only been 3 days since the election. Give it time and Trudeau will have the country in the crapper, as his "unicorns and rainbows leadership" takes hold.


Mulcair went from hero to zero

Mulcair was never a hero. Zero, yes ... hero, no. The NDP has never formed government at the Federal level in recent memory. In fact, their seats were reduced this election (yep, there is a God).

Alberta's NDP were an accidental government because people were so sick of the entitled Tories that they voted without thinking just to get rid of them ... and "oops". Had the provincial PC's not been around to steal votes from the Wildrose, they would have trashed the Nutley crew.

A news story said Alberta's PC's fundraising pot has dried up. With any luck, the last remaining PCs will die off by the next provincial election, leaving the Wildrose to decimate Nutley.


I think it's pretty crappy that people would say he's not ready for a job he is perfectly qualified and skilled to do

How is Trudeau qualified to run Canada?? His education portfolio has nothing in it that suggest he has even the most basic understanding of economics because ... "the budget will balance itself"????? ... as he prepares to run deficits for the next three years.

Furthermore, he plans to increase CPP contributions (more payroll tax). That translates to smaller paychecks and more burden on the employer. If the cost to employ people goes up, businesses will simply lay them off and not hire anyone new. How does THAT help employment and the economy??

Trudeau's profession is "teacher". And you know what they say about teaching ... "those who can't do, teach".


Mulcair's platform promised a balanced budget although I don't think anyone really believed him

Mulcair was planning to balance the budget by increasing taxes through the roof.



Wrong. Trudeau rode on the name of his father before him, like Luke Skywalker


Funny statement from someone who was just a twinkle in his fathers'e eyes when Pierre was actually Prime Minister. Do you actually understand that Justin's father wasn't really as "popular" as some wish you to believe? Reread the history books

I never said anyone liked the elder Trudeau, especially people in Alberta due to his NEP. That's evident in the vote distribution in Alberta, where it is mostly Conservative blue ... with a splash of Liberal red. I'm just saying that his name is recognizable to voters of his demographic target. The younger Trudeau has style but no substance.

Canada has swung between Conservatives and Liberals for the longest time. It was Chretien/Martin Liberals before Harper ... and Mulroney's Conservatives before that. Once Canadians become fed up with Trudeau, we'll be back to Conservatives.

And I may not be the "twinkle" you might have thought, Walt.


Elizabeth May was the only one who took a hard stance and spoke about investing in alternative fuels as well as protecting the environment, our food supply/water, keeping housing costs reasonable, affordable health care including natural medicines, anti GMO and anti war

And it's no wonder Lizzy will has little voice in government. Extreme nutcases never will, especially when they rant and rave during a drunken stupor. Her party won ONE seat this election.

At that rate, her party will be governing Canada in ... about 500 years.
 Walts
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Posted: 10/21/2015 6:16:29 PM

And I may not be the "twinkle" you might have thought, Walt.


Oh, no worries, I understand who you are. Your writing, and words make it easy. Your comments and the way you express "your" opinion do a even better job of it.

Carry on though. You forget to repeat an ad or two.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 10/22/2015 4:22:28 AM
@deetristate:

Or does liberal have a different meaning there? Just asking after I saw a very short report on the network news. Please enlighten us as to what motivated this and what to expect.

Same meaning, but on a different scale.

VERY generally speaking ..... Canada tends to be to the left of center on social issues, and a bit to the right on economic issues.
We have 3 main parties: the Tories (Conservatives), who are right-wing; the Liberals, who are Centerist; and the NDP who are to the left. Traditionally, the Tories been the only party to the right at all - the Liberals tend to be center/center left, and the NDP a LOT left of center. that being said - you cannot equate the Tories with the Republicans. In general terms - depending on the issue - the Tories might be a bit to the left or a bit to the right of the American Democrats; we haven't really have a real right-wing party here in Canada since the Reform Party merged with the Tories sometime in the early 2k's (I'm too lazy to look it up, but I believe in 2003?)

To put it in perspective - I'm a life-long Tory, and I've been very active in the party in the past, at both the national and provincial levels. I first worked for the Tories back in 1988, during the Free Trade debates. I worked on Jean Charet's leadership campaign when he ran for the federal Tory leadership after Mulroney stepped down. I worked with the National Tory Youth and spoke at one of their National Conventions (I remember one memorable Young Tory convention in Peterborough where I had to tell Rusty Baird (now retired, former Foreign Minister) and Tony Clement (former Health Minister, newly ex-President of the Treasury Board) to stop fighting and go to their rooms after I confiscated their beer :)) Some guy showed up on my doorstep on night, unannounced, accompanied by a friend who was a Tory organizer in Ontario. He had a case of beer under one arm and a bottle of Screech under the other - he wanted to recruit me to work on his leadership campaign for the Provincial Tories. His bribe and the conversation over the screech was sufficient to get me to agree. His name was Mike Harris. He won, and was the Provincial Premiere for 7 years.

I'm giving you this amount of detail for a reason; my conservative credentials are impeccable for a Canadian right-winger ... but just looking at the Republicans down there gives me a serious case of the hives. Obama is pretty well aligned to where I would fall on the political spectrum. That being said, if all the declared candidates for both parties were to simultaneously run for president, believe it or not I'd probably wind up voting for Bernie Sanders. That should give you a pretty good idea of how much more to the left we generally are here in Canada.

@waits:

Long story short, Trudeau and the liberals preyed on Mr.Harper and his stupidity, and a few other things.
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You can accuse Harper of very many things ....... but being stupid is most definitely not one of them.

"Change" was at the forefront, and it showed in how people voted.

THAT I would agree with, 100%. Any government - regardless of party - has a shelf life. Over time, complacency sets in, they get sloppy, tired, worn-out, or maybe even just plain bored. Unless something drastic happens, opposition parties don't usually WIN elections - the incumbent government LOOSES them. This is a perfect example - as is the current NDP government in Alberta.
@HalfTimeDad:

here was a very strong anti-Harper feeling in the country. It wasn't even anti-Conservative, we just hate Stephen Harper. The Liberal party looked like the best way to get rid of them on Oct. 19. On August 19, it would have been a socialist party elected, because they were the best way to get rid of Harper on that date.

Absolutely. You just hit the nail on the head.
@427cammer:

Both Paul Martin's Liberals and Harper's Conservatives governed in a more conservative manner than anything the US has managed in recent times.... even Mulcair's platform promised a balanced budget although I don't think anyone really believed him.

You're right - but you're forgetting something. First, Canadians tend to be ECONOMICALLY conservative. Not right-wing, but conservative. There is a difference. That's why we did so well during the recent crash, better than any other G20 country. BECAUSE of our economic conservatism, under both Paul Martin and Harper, we didn't loosen our banking regulations anywhere near to the same extent as was done in the other G20 countries - which meant that our banks were better insulated from the crash.
@DameWrite:

Hopefully Trudeau will work with the scientists and the other parties better than the dictator, fear mongering, oil tygoon, sell out Harper but I'm not going to hold my breadth.
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Wow - are you serious? First - most of the "fear-mongering" during the last 10 years has come from the left, ceaselessly decrying the Tories and their "secret agenda" - which, for some strange reason, never got revealed OR implemented. As to being a dictator ........ as somebody with a fair knowledge of history, I'm pretty sure that most dictators - when they DO hold elections - tend to get a much larger share of the vote than what Harper did. I'm also pretty sure that when Justin shows up with the moving van, he's not gong to need a battalion of troops to haul Harper kicking & screaming from 24 Sussex. If Harper was a dictator, he sure as hell wasn't any good at it.

@HalfTimeDad:

By any measure Harper was a deplorable Prime Minister. He showed utter contempt for Canadian values and had absolutely no respect for the democratic institutions of our country.

Really? WHAT "Canadian Values" - the ones the you agree with, and the Tories don't? NO party has a monopoly on "Canadian Values". Are you going to sit there and tell me that *I'm* a "Bad Canadian" because I don't agree with your views? Well, guess what? We live in a multi-cultural society - and isn't respect for other's beliefs and values a pretty basic "Canadian Value?"

I'll take "Canadian Values" for 200, Alex.

Answer: This former Canadian Prime Minister, when asked by CBC reporter Tim Ralfe on how far he would go in the suspension of civil liberties to maintain order during the FLQ crisis, answered "Just watch me."

Question: Who is Pierre Trudeau? (yes - THAT Pierre Trudeau, the new guy's father, and a Liberal).

I'll take "Respect for Democratic Institutions for $500, Alex.

Answer: This former Canadian Prime Minister was once quoted as saying ""When they are 50 yards from Parliament Hill, they are no longer honourable members, they are just nobodies."

Question: Who is Pierre Trudeau? (yes, this is the start of a broken record. I could keep going)

The reality is that the Tories have formed the government for the last 10 years BECAUSE CANADIANS AGREED WITH THEM MORE THAN THE OTHER PARTIES. Don't even *think* about bring up that old trope of "yeah, but more people voted for the other parties than they did for the Tories". That artifact of our first past the post electoral system is exactly why the LIBERALS have formed the government for most of the last century, and have come to consider themselves the "natural governing party".


He ordered the Senate to kill a bill passed by the House of Commons for God's sakes.

Actually, so did daddy Trudeau, when he actually lost an election and had to petulantly sit as leader of the opposition. And Trudeau wasn't exactly the first to do that, either.

And as a matter of fact, Bill Hyer - the NDP member who introduced the bill that was killed - was quoted as saying "using the unelected Senate to kill bills that he doesn't like, passed by the democratically elected House when Harper has spent most of his political career railing and raging when the Liberals did this."

Isn't that sort of abuse one of the reasons the Tories wanted an ELECTED, instead of APPOINED, Senate?

So yeah, it was a hypocritical, d1ck move ..... but if you're a Liberal, you haven't exactly got the moral authority to complain about it.

He should be deported.

Deported to where? Alberta? Now you're sounding like Donald Trump.
 Walts
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Posted: 10/22/2015 4:42:01 AM

You can accuse Harper of very many things ....... but being stupid is most definitely not one of them.


No?

If Mr.Harper used his noggin, and actually adapted a bit, his party would be holding a minority government today. Instead he "approved" of what went on during this campaign and dug his own grave. Or, are you saying he had enough, and didn't want to win this one? Or just smart enough to see the writing on the wall?
"Smart" ones do not keep doing something if it isn't working. He placed his head on a target and couldn't figure out how to get it off that target, he just kept making it bigger.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 10/22/2015 5:01:28 AM
NotGorshky:

The "he should be deported line" was a reference to Harper's move to deport Canadians born in this country. I wasn't really advocating deporting him.

But that was the sort of thing I was talking about when I said he showed contempt for Canadian values. The whole imperial Prime Minister and all the talk over the last four years about the "Harper Government" in all official advertising was more reminiscent of a South American dictatorship than Canada.

But your story about the Tory convention reminds me of a joke from back around the same time when I was politically active: New Democrats go to conventions to make policy; Tories go to conventions to get drunk; Liberals go to conventions to get laid. I suspect looking back, both you and I were going to the wrong conventions.
 deetristate
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Posted: 10/22/2015 5:20:31 AM
Thanks Notgorsh

The intro was particularly helpful
 overunity
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Posted: 10/22/2015 6:10:37 AM
It wont take long for Trudeau to prove the Conservative voters were right. For Canadians that require examples, just refer to what the Liberals have done to Ontario in the last 10 years. This of course requires an average IQ or higher.
 _babblefish
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Posted: 10/22/2015 9:05:25 AM

It wont take long for Trudeau to prove the Conservative voters were right . . .


what exactly were they right aboot?

how *stretches arms, Canada was governed from the Rockies to the Atlantic, did the Tories forget what is
west of the Rockies? na, they just didn't give a shit

how Harper's gov't effectively dismantled Canada's long-standing scientific tradition and science communication? was that right?
or the closure of Arctic research stations as oil drilling began in the High Arctic?

or how he slashed research budgets in agriculture?

let's not forget the dramatic changes to the nation's fisheries policy or the closing of the busiest Coast
Guard base in Canada at Kits, were these right?

the F-35's ?
the environment?

maybe he could have won iffin he instituted another "robocalling" scandal like in 2011


i for one want to live in a peacekeeper nation once again, although i didn't vote Liberal i am glad Justin won over
that god fearing creep from Calgary Heritage
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