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 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
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Militiamen occupy U.S. national parks building in Oregon:

A group of militiamen on Saturday occupied the headquarters of a national wildlife refuge in Oregon in support of two brothers who are slated to report to prison on Monday on arson charges, the Oregonian newspaper reported.

Hundreds of protesters poured into Burns, Ore., to rally for two ranchers convicted of arson before splitting off and taking over a wildlife refuge. A so-called militia with ties to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy seized a federal building in a southeast Oregon wildlife refuge and have no plans to leave.

“We’re planning on staying here for years, absolutely,” Ammon Bundy told The Oregonian. “This is not a decision we’ve made at the last minute.” Bundy said that while the occupiers, who included his brother Ryan Bundy, were not looking to hurt anyone, they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, the Oregonian reported.

A FBI spokeswoman is aware of the militia take-over at the Malheur refuge, but would not comment further.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/militia-takes-ore-fed-building-protest-article-1.2483723


What are the chances of a peaceful resolution if the FBI and ATF get involved, especially after what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 2
Militiamen occupy U.S. national parks building in Oregon
Posted: 1/2/2016 9:41:05 PM
Just found a video of these folks discussing why they are doing this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2UpdOxmp0
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 1/3/2016 11:01:09 AM
Since there are no hostages involved, and BECAUSE they have the other incidents you mentioned to have learned from, I expect this will be a fairly quiet situation.

All they have to do, is wait for the occupiers to realize that they aren't accomplishing anything at all by sitting there.

I know if I were in charge there, I would calmly arrange to have the occupiers informed about what crimes they're already on the hook for, and how much more they are going to lose by remaining, and then set up a screen outside, showing a rising count as the fines they are going to suffer steadily rise.

It's not as though the occupation of the building is preventing anything else from happening.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4
idiots occupy U.S. national parks building in Oregon
Posted: 1/3/2016 12:21:43 PM
the smart plan is to surround and wait for the beer and Cheetos to run out. Since these uh "protesters" aren't the same color as say, those living in MOVE headquarters, they won't have to worry about an incindiary getting dropped on their heads. its just so telling that when the USA PATRIOT ACT came out, these DB's had no need to stand up to the Constition then. Hate to say it, but if Chump was in charge....this wouldn't end peacefully. They'd think he was on their side, and boy would they get an eye-opening.

waiting to see if its a repeat of the Bundy ranch standoff. And what will happen when this happens a third damned time. they think the Feds are out to get them, and yet in reality they get coddled each and every time.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 1/4/2016 4:06:12 AM
It does seem kind of ridiculous that you can be resentenced for more time AFTER you serve your initially imposed time. Whether for burning brush, drug dealing, robbery, murder, false statements or jaywalking.

South Africa is dong this to that blade runner person.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 1/4/2016 8:32:53 AM
http://usuncut.com/news/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-oregon-militia-takeover/

and the sixth one, the land they are occupying b/c they think it was stolen from them, is former Native American land.

while it does seem odd for the government to go, "oops, we made a mistake, and not in your favor", the fellows have agreed they'll go back inside after this is all done. Maybe they wish for more indoctrination.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 7
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Posted: 1/4/2016 8:37:12 AM
Can't you claim that about the whole country, including your land, Canada and Mexico?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 8
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Posted: 1/4/2016 9:11:14 AM
The additional sentence is the more troubling part of this story.

They were convicted under a terrorism charge. That's just messed up. This is the problem with giving anyone unchecked powers - they will be abused. In this case it's police and prosecutors. The whole post 9/11 legislation was quickly seen as a way to classify drug dealers and pretty much anyone they wanted to go after as "terrorists." Every time I watch a DVD now there's a warning that the Department of Homeland Security is making sure I don't upload anything from it up to Youtube.

As soon as you've got a branch that doesn't have to worry about piddling things like the Constitution it starts getting used to protect corporate interests.

Meanwhile you've got a bunch of yahoos who managed to take over a closed, isolated federal building. And they see themselves as courageous patriots. Some things self satirize.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
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Posted: 1/4/2016 9:36:59 AM

Meanwhile you've got a bunch of yahoos who managed to take over a closed, isolated federal building. And they see themselves as courageous patriots. Some things self satirize.


yep and social media is making the most of that;


Currently #YallQaeda is engaged in an act of #YeeHawd in rural Oregon in defense of arsonists. If successfully they will get 72 strippers.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 10
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Posted: 1/4/2016 9:38:09 AM
If a nomadic tribe wanders around an area, do they really own it? if they can sell it for a bag of beans and some necklaces, does that show ownership? Someone here i'm sure can argue the legal cases, pro and con. I can say that my local "injuns" are doing darn well in their casinos :) Meanwhile the nearby city of New London used imminent domain to kick families out of their houses to build a HQ for Pfizer. Funny how no armed militias stepped up to stop the Free Market (b/c the city argued it would create a better tax base). Maybe they felt a conflict of interest, or no one told them it was their issue. And after the homes were razed, Pfizer decided to find a better place. but hey, I didn't see any militiamen stand up to the USA PATRIOT ACT either. maybe someone can put up a link of them taking a stand, b/c they sure existed during that time.

I don't know why a judge decided that someone setting fire to Federal grass (was there a draught?) was terrorism. But if the response is to grab rifles and grab territory to occupy....gosh, maybe there's a point. After all, Occupy Wall Street tried to occupy without rifles, and what did Faux News have to say about that? or maybe this group decided that if they were going to be labeled terrorists, they should have the fun of acting like some?
 Inner_Gorilla
Joined: 12/3/2015
Msg: 11
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Posted: 1/4/2016 9:08:38 PM
They should give that land to the original owners, the native Americans that originally lived there.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 12
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:42:30 AM
Can you imagine if Blacks or Muslims did this, what the response of the media never mind the police would have been??

Thank god they are white!

White good anything else is bad????
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:52:50 AM

They should give that land to the original owners, the native Americans that originally lived there.


In that case, give the entire country back to the Indians, and have the whites and non-Indians live on reserves.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:56:22 AM
Message 4 ...
the smart plan is to surround and wait for the beer and Cheetos to run out.
Yep ... that's pretty much the the level of brain power going on there. Not the brightest stars in the sky ... eh?

I read this to my patient and his dad ... and we just can't stop laughing!

So pathetic.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 1/5/2016 11:07:27 AM
Have they brought in their women to be human shields, yet?
 villabolos
Joined: 7/24/2015
Msg: 16
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Posted: 1/5/2016 12:07:36 PM
That's right. Islam is bad. It is not compatible with western civilization.
In the meantime, lots of clowns(Vlad excluded) in the UK are clueless fools.

I bet if the indians still had certain parts of North America they'd still be running around using their bow and aroows. they'd be pure and living off the land..you know, in a natural way.
Nobody would of come in here...it would be pure and clean.,..full of trees, no cars

Certain people in this thread like to talk about how bad America is...yet where do they live?? They are free to leave, but yet choose to remain and criticize....amazing!!
We all know that the true paradise is Venezuela, Columbia, Bolivia, Saudi Arabia...those are the beacons of hope...
Illegals are pouring in here from all around the world,but yet America is an evil country.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 17
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Posted: 1/5/2016 1:19:54 PM
Strange bedfellows.
Even the environmentalists find blm suspect and in cahoots with energy and other private interests as behind land grabs.

I would like to learn more. Please share any references. Thanks.

By the way, we criticize and want the USA to improve because we care. I have been and could be an expat if I didn't.

 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 1/5/2016 1:35:13 PM
Villa

How true my friend. See if the indians had superior fire power they MAY have won. But they never.

See all the christophobes on here? The ones who sneer and quote darwins theory? Then THEIR kin in the past supported survival of the fittest.

So

Cheerio indians.

But the darwinists on here talk a load of bollocks.

Whats tickles my ribs is that IF the barking islamists ever become top boys then the simpering, limp wrist liberal elitists will get topped first.

Oh how we laughed.

Be careful what ye wish for intolerant illiberal liberal.

Either way, working class revolution or islamist take over. He he then bet you die before i do.

(Noooo stop it Drac the religion of peas LOOOOVES athiests and agnostics. Unlike those hate filled christians).

Nothing written in scots either so the grammar snobs cannot complain.

He he he
 villabolos
Joined: 7/24/2015
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Posted: 1/5/2016 1:45:42 PM
Yes. Dee.

But when more than one person is in this thread is making a useless call for America to effectively close down and be turned over to the bow & arrow shooters, and yet they are living here, it' comical.
..they love our milk & honey....but yet they want the country overthrown.
Everybody is free to leave the U.S. and not come back. ...but we know nobody is going anywhere.

And yes, Islam is bad and has no place in western civilization.

I can't wait for President Trump The evangelical Cruz will be his VP.
The whiners are going to be out in full force on this web site. ..because POF is the place where things get done and you can make a difference.
irish will be going through a keyboard a week starting in January 2017.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 20
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Posted: 1/5/2016 4:32:35 PM
A facebook interaction On Bundy Ranch post about why a militiaman supporter can't go to Oregon:


Daniel Brewer:

Rise Up Patriots!! If I had the gas money, my girl and I would be there!

Daniel Brewer:

$300 it’s a shame. The Federal Government can’t get my disability straight. $300 I and my Sons could be there. Shoulder to shoulder. My heart tells me to get there. I simply cant find the gas money. I’m so sorry. I know I can make a difference. My prayers, are with you. I feel so bad its $ keeps me from doing what my heart tells me is right. If they want blood, make sure it’s theirs my brothers and Sisters. Damn. Please lord find me a way to help these people. In Jesus name. I’m ready once again. I’m yours lord, send me. Amen,

Barbara Barbour:

Hahaha! Are you really complaining that you can’t get out to fight big government because you haven’t receive your government check???
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/this-womans-reply-to-man-who-cant-afford-to-join-bundys-militia-is-priceless-video/

Just another radical republican loser!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 1/5/2016 5:05:59 PM
So the Republicans who want to live off the land honestly and not have government on their back, should stop complaining about the twice elected President and leave the country to the Natives who want to...live off the land honestly and not have government on their back. And those darn libs who hate America and want to change things like the Founding Fathers left room to do, return the country back to the FF's idea of keeping religion out of politics and open the borders and other liberal ideas like the FF got from the French before creating the Constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation should....leave the country as well. OK, got it now.

as for Republicans sucking off the government teat--the Bundies also took out federal loans--and insisting they don't want to is nothing new. Back at the TeaParty events, people were showing up in their free wheelchairs demanding government stop helping them out.

always nice to be educated.
 ChaoticSphere
Joined: 11/13/2015
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Posted: 1/5/2016 6:39:46 PM
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

Found this information which provides the Hammond family’s side of the story and history of the dispute. Of course the governments side will be different but it’s one side of the story.

This part is interesting:
(u) During the court preceding the Hammond's were forced to grant the BLM first right of refusal; if the Hammond's ever sold their ranch they would have to sell it to the BLM.
 cotter
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Posted: 1/5/2016 7:36:49 PM
Here come the warrants and now we will see who shoots first.

There's already a guy sitting under a tarp covered with a blanket with a gun under his blanket stating he's 55 years old and the father of 11 grown children and that he is prepared to take action and will refuse to accept a warrant and definitely will not go to prison.

They have also somehow gotten a hold of some large earth-moving machines and state they are aligning them (setting them up) for "protection". It's not clear if they hot-wired them or actually broke into some buildings and took the keys.

You can't make up this shyte ... these guys must be on some sort of good "juice". LMFAO ...

Maybe the FBI will help us all out with this one and actually follow through this time and then move on to go collect the back fees from Bundy, Sr.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 1/5/2016 7:52:50 PM
They don't care about the other side of the story, Chaotic. It will not provide laughs or basis for condescension or derision. You know how that goes. They can't have that.

I guess everyone who inherited land in the USA should give it back to the native americans.

And all those people, including the protest haters, who got FHA loans and social security checks and and medicare and VHA loans and GI bills and the children of people who got them and SBA loans and government insured bank accounts should just give them back and never complain about the government, even when it is Republican controlled or was run by the Bushes. OK,.

The focus on Bundy-father at this time is like focusing on Bush when President Obama is in office.

Based on interviews on the usual suspects - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN-the people ACTUALLY AT THE STANDOFF - most of the people occupying the protest location OWN a business and are not beholden to an employer to be there at a particular time. It's nice to be the boss.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 25
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Posted: 1/5/2016 8:25:19 PM
Isn't it interesting... All the "stupid f..." coming in and ranting about the "righteousness" of the occupation... justifying it with whining, wailing and gnashing of teeth about the "poor abused family"...

All the while completely ignoring... the "poor abused family" DOESN'T WANT their support... the "poor abused family" DOESN'T SUPPORT their actions... and has directly said so...

Yep... sounds like a "righteous" action to me... a bunch of ignorant opportunists attempting to foist THEIR issues off on this "poor abused family"... against the family's will and wishes...


Oregon ranchers report to prison as militia group continues wildlife refuge takeover

Gallen said her family had no connection to the demonstrators and did not support their actions.

"The last 48 hours is in no way connected to the Hammond family," said Gallen.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/oregon-burns-malheur-standoff-1.3388534

What a bunch of ignorant "stupid fvcks"...
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