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 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
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So, if Trump wanted to destroy the Republican Party...the way the Republican Party destroyed the Whig Party, back in the 1800's...then why didn't he just say so ?
I think that it's obvious that he has never had love for the Republicans, he follows none of their traditions or protocols and I have yet to hear him speak of a Republican President he favors.

Eventually, he's going to have to fight Ted Cruz...via a debate.

Trump, will lose...miserably...he's lose his temper, and maybe cuss him out...lol, I'm laughing just thinking about it...not to mention Hillary...he may choke her to death.

But anyway, the Republican Party, doesn't want him...they know he has changed the party for the worst....as it stands now, honestly I think it's hilarious the way he talked to the others running against him like dogs...and when they dropped out and he whistled, they both came running back.

So...this has gone beyond, Trump for President...and turned into the Survival for the GOP.
Cruz, will fight for the establishment...but it may be to late, are you prepared to rename the Republican Party , or except Hillary ???
 kj521
Joined: 9/20/2015
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Posted: 3/17/2016 3:14:39 PM
Trump gets the credit for "destroying" the Republican party? Wow! I might need to look a little closer at the Donald. It would appear he is all powerful!



"I have yet to hear him speak of a Republican President he favors."

Guess you're not a fan of Mr. Bill O'Reilly, huh? I believe it was just last night Trump was asked that very question on his show. You could probably find it online if you're interested. :)


I'll go for a rename. Something catchy, though. Have to give that some thought.

And.....that's just a....no way on God''s green earth.....to Hilary, for me. Sorry....just can't do it. :/
 albertafor51st
Joined: 3/8/2016
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Posted: 3/17/2016 3:47:11 PM
Trump has been outrageous at times but basically he just said some s#^t that needed to be said.Do Americans get to decide what they want?Kasich is a scary front man for the powers that be.So is Hillary.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 3/17/2016 5:17:07 PM
I would suggest that you consider that Trump is NOT responsible for any of this.

Trump is capitalizing on what the Republican Party MAINSTREAM has been working VERY hard to build into the psyche of this country, at least since the mid 1970's.

It was back then, and repeated and reaffirmed since, that the mainstream leadership decided that their strategy for building the party was NOT to come up with popular, real solutions to any of the nations problems, even including the ones they actually cared about. Instead, they consciously decided to build their entire approach around fooling anyone who was angry or frustrated about anything, to think that no matter what it was, the Democrats were to blame.

They actively courted any identifiable group which the Democrats were ignoring , or even better, offending, regardless of what that group did or didn't want. Thus, they courted the anti-black racist vote, not because they support racism, but because the white racists could easily be led to vote Republican, simply by hearing Republicans say "States Rights."

By 2000, the originators of this strategy had retired, and the leadership of the GOP was in the hands of people who forgot that they were doing all this as a trick, and genuinely thought that it was logical to be the Do Nothing While Shouting Self Righteously Party. This was illustrated best, when they sabotaged the entire United States international economic standings (including themselves), by threatening to default on our international debt obligations, simply to make political points against the President they didn't like.

So after a full two generations of training Republicans to think that being angry is enough, they are surprised that almost the entire party gravitates towards someone who expresses nonstop anger against all the people the rest have been told to hate blindly since 1975.

And since that never had anything to do with what the Republican Party actually once stood for, they are in a panic for what to do about it. But since they long ago ceased to even try to build any functional program plans, the only thing left they can try to fight Trump with, is the same fear and hate approach they've been using on the opposition; only now, they are using it on each other.

In short, Trump isn't the CAUSE of the Republican Party's problems, he is the DIRECT RESULT of those problems.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 3/17/2016 5:21:05 PM
Even when farmer's shopped thru the Sears, Roebuck catalog, I think business realized the best idea wasn't to sell a product (And be stuck once that product was obsolete due to changing technology) but sell the brand, instead. Sears even tried selling cars (Henry J's relabled the Allstate, a name they used later for insurance if memory serves), knowing customers expected something from Sears, regardless of the product. I think Chump is the same way, except he comes out and tells you his product is the best, whether its a gold plated building or casino or whatever.

I'm not sure he wanted to destroy the GOP, I think he learned his lesson from the first time he ran and disappeared. He knows what his customer wants. I suspect, tho, that there is an element of perfect storm here--media wants to attract eyeballs, and they found the more outrageous he was, the more people tuned in. And Chump figured the more outrageous he was...the more airtime he was given. and now he has the benefit of popularity...as the saying goes, nothing is as successful as success. Everyone likes a proven product.

as a lifetime liberal, its easy for me to say, "I've always accused the GOP of poor leadership, now they prove it with dumb things like refusing to accept a SCJ nomination when all they had to do was listen and THEN shoot it down, and their hands would have been clean." But as Karl Rove noticed, voter turnout in America is so bad, a party nearly has to take its base for granted and go after the extremists. THEY at least are dedicated to voting for their issues.

an unfortunate problem to catering to backbenchers is, the young Turks don't understand that being inflexible doesn't lead to compromise. The old guys get it, and that's why they stay in power for so long but the young hotheads burn out...or adopt the same behavior of picking their battles.
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
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Posted: 3/17/2016 6:31:03 PM
Republicans and defecting over the Supreme Court Issue...the guy Obama, appointed is approved by the GOP, but are being muley for no cause.

They really are crumbling, from all directions.
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
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Posted: 3/17/2016 9:19:26 PM
One of Trump's sons...I think they said Eric, received a package at his home in New York
making threats if Donald Trump does not drop out of the race...FBI, investigating.....
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 3/18/2016 4:30:33 AM
Onyx/yosemite sam
Here gadgie i mentioned yonks ago on the trump thread about the donald being part of a democratic plot to destroy the republicans. But now that there genie is out the bottle and yous shermans will toil to put it back again. This interview with occupy founder micah white is worth a read..........

https://nowtoronto.com/news/ecoholic/what-micah-white-learned-from-the-failure-of-occupy-wall-street/

There may well be a revolution started but not in the way the establishment elites wanted. When folk feel threatened they retaliate. And it seems folks in shermanland are feeling under threat. No one seems to talk about the poor working class over there. It's all about lining the pockets of big business.

Of course the genie that has been released will attract it's opposite. So expect more violence methinks. As for the death threats well they are probably all to real.

I'm heading for a pint soon so have a nice day.

And try to keep calm yosemite or you will do yourself an injury.

Toodle Pip and all that.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 3/18/2016 7:00:48 PM
The revolution is in the ballot box, quietly and they can't have Trump on the ballot because a lot of Democrats, of all persuasions, will vote for him in a general election.

And it is not just the poor working class. It is the middle class people who see the invaders buying up property and putting them out of jobs. They see that the schools don't have funds for teachers because they are spending the money for education of people who refuse to speak English or learn in English. They see middle easterners and Russians taking IT and engineering jobs, not just in corporations but in governments -federal, state and local. You even have to be a Spanish speaker to get a job as a gardener or a social worker case worker in many cities. The trash guys are daring them to try that with them (who make great salaries, by the way). AND NO ONE CHECKS THE IMMIGRATION STATUS, contrary to popular belief and wishing.
(They didn't bother to check whether you were a resident or the state or city when it was a job requirement).
Now, some childless rich person will come on and make all kinds of statements about which they know nothing.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 3/19/2016 9:03:47 AM
^^^^^^^

Whatever you got, I really, really, want some.

Only on the weekends though.

Very serious here.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
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Posted: 3/19/2016 10:13:17 AM
They say BC bud is among the best..but there's gotta be something far more potent out there..
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 3/19/2016 10:30:41 AM
Robert Reich has discussed the growing wealth gap and what's been happening to the working class. But he used to work for the Clintons and he's a liberal, so I can see he isn't on the radar of many.

Occupy Wall Street, BLM, and other groups have demonstrated for their own issues, like every summer. Will all the groups unite for one revolution, or be divided up? there's been a history of vets marching on Washington DC to solve their complaints going back to the Revolutionary War...and they ended up diffused, one way or another. At least now we have more interesting "devices" civilians can access in order to make their case...

google "why the fall of the middle class" and you'll see a lot of ideas. Nonwhites are joining and competing for factory jobs that are leaving, for example. or http://www.businessinsider.com/decline-of-theus-middle-class-2013-10. and there are others, all interesting, all possible. there's likely more than one reason for it, union busting, a change in the economy from factories to financial (more white collar than blue collar), et cetera, that combined into a perfect storm. I'm not sure, could there be a political party that seems to focus predominately in these factors?

its an interesting loop. The world economy changes as more countries become competitors, donations to political campaigns help businesses cut overhead (and payroll is overhead), computers allow companies to fire employees so that other employees can do the work of two people, unions gets busted, and voters are told to fear...whom?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 3/19/2016 11:23:34 AM
I know that liberals benefit from pushing the white v black thing but
it is American workers versus foreign, illegal immigrant and H1B when they are not really required workers.

Black and white Americans( and Asians and and Latinos and whatever) have the same skin in the game. It is not simply about race.

It would be like China importing men.

You are welcome to get high on reality whenever you want to. It is all around you.
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:32:01 PM
The Revolution, is not so much with the People vs Trump...as much as it is him against the Republican, establishment.

Sure, the details and outcome will be at the voter box...the question is will Trump make it there ?

Once upon a time there was a Party called the....Democratic-Republican Party...yes they served as one " try and not kill yourselves "....because they were...gulp...LIBERALS...
The Conservative Party at the time was called the Whigs...you know those guys wearing those stupid white wigs....anyway members of Demo-GOP Party defected to the whigs and some how took over the party and renamed it the Republicans.

This seems to be what the GOP, think Trump is trying to do !

The people can protest all they want, the real power is with the Party...and I can't wait to see what they are going to do next.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 3/19/2016 11:13:43 PM
Liberals benefit from race, but boy, let's watch out for those illegals...whatever race they might be. I watched Michael Crichton's movie "Rising Sun" back in 1992, when the Japanese were buying Rockefellar Center, b/c the scare was the Japanese were taking over (ha). Apparently those immigrants have been trying to destroy America since, what, the late 1800's? Everyone just wants a good life and enough to support their family. Well, maybe some want more.

if consumer demand is high, then there's jobs a'plenty. which makes paychecks a'plenty, which helps the consumer demand. Kiplinger Newsletter is predicting the strong dollar (only 2.3% inflation) is going to hurt exports this year, no good for domestic manufacturing. Before we propose weakening the dollar, however, business will raise spending 4%, that health care and tech will propel job and wage growth. Low gas prices may help travel and the food service industry.

maybe, maybe.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 3/20/2016 7:30:26 AM
Are illegals a race?
Where I live, many are Russian. A teacher recently lost her job because she was here illegally -a blonde from France.

India, China, whatever,

Burglars who break into your house and take one of your four television often just want a better life for their families. So?

Were the immigrants in the 1800s illegal or violating a law? Which law?

I saw one liberal trot out a video of Reagan and Bush Senior saying make a way for people here illegally and be compassionate. Sure. There were less than 2 million. That "compassion" encouraged illegal immigration and has raised the number to between 11 and 20 million.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 3/20/2016 10:33:30 AM

I saw one liberal trot out a video of Reagan and Bush Senior saying make a way for people here illegally and be compassionate. Sure. There were less than 2 million.


Uh Dee...as usual you're a little off on the numbers. Reagan's amnesty gave legal status to 3 million illegals and Bush's another 1.5 million.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States




That "compassion" encouraged illegal immigration and has raised the number to between 11 and 20 million


The US census bureau puts the number of illegals in America at 11 million. Some conservative rags inflate that number to 20 million. And unfortunate for your imaginary numbers the number of illegals President Obama would cover is 2.25 million-not 11 or 20 million. Hate to burst your hate filled numbers Dee:



The CBO said about 1.5 million parents will qualify under the new amnesty for parents by 2017, while 150,000 will qualify under the expanded Dream Act policy. That’s in addition to the 600,000 who qualified under the initial 2012 Dream Act policy. All told, that means 2.25 million illegal immigrants will be living in temporary legal status thanks to the amnesty.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/15/obama-amnesty-will-cover-225-million-illegals-cbo/
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
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Posted: 3/20/2016 12:01:57 PM
I once worked at a Youth Hostel, everybody staying there was foreign...Americans were not allowed.
About 80 percent of the staff were here illegally...you know the beautiful blond hair, green eyed girls from Prague, the lovely redheads from Poland...all of them some how seemed to over stay their time on their visas, and I'm talking some for years past.
Are these the illegals you're talking about...because they are everywhere, and make up a large portion of the immigration problem...and could be easily gathered up, being the government know who they are, yet they fixate on Mexicans, and building a wall....

Donald Trump, only has a Bachelor's Degree...yet he call's himself educated... this shows during his speeches, and in his temperament ... the last President without a secondary degree did a horrible job.
Trump has bounced around between the Democrat and Republican, parties for years...he experimented with something called the Reform Party, at one point...hmmm.......
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 3/20/2016 1:37:02 PM

I know that liberals benefit from pushing the white v black thing but
it is American workers versus foreign, illegal immigrant and H1B when they are not really required workers.

Black and white Americans( and Asians and and Latinos and whatever) have the same skin in the game. It is not simply about race.

It would be like China importing men.

You are welcome to get high on reality whenever you want to. It is all around you.


You've correctly recognized ONE of the games being played on you, but have bought hook line and sinker into the other big one. We are also suffering from people who want everyone to think that liberal Americans are the real cause of all their problems, even as they continue to ignore the threats that they pretend to care about.

Neither party has done more that make big talk about the problem of illegal workers. Neither party has addressed the fact that the so-called "free trade" agreements they keep signing, are designed to undercut American worker wages and political power, and to ignore foreign manufacturers behaving responsibly in any way shape or form. No penalties for slave labor, no penalties for child labor, no penalties for polluting the planet we have to live on as well, no penalties for making defective and even poisonous products, no penalties for manipulating their own currency to make us less competitive, and on and on.

So whenever ANYONE tells you it's all about one group of your own fellow law abiding citizens, if you accept their claims, you are just another sucker being played.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 3/20/2016 1:55:45 PM
Where are these schools where education is being taught in non-English languages because of the vast number of people who just won't learn to speak American!? Dammit! Where is this happening? Where I live most people speak both Spanish (Mexican) and English (American), and in school they are taught in English. Granted it's great that most teachers speak both languages fluently, but the lessons are in English. The only thing that happens in Spanish are on the forms sent home, which have English on one side and Spanish on the other. But back in the early 2000s when I was still in the Midwest, that was common there too. So where are these ingrates refusing to learn a foreign language and yet taking up valuable space that is pushing good ole American speaking people? These sound bites taken from others but not cited so no context can be had, is really lacking as data to prove a view.

For those well traveled people, how many languages are you fluent in, do you learn the language of all the countries you go to?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 3/20/2016 2:55:49 PM
That you know nothing about the money spent in education (math, science, p.e.) in other languages explains your position. I understand now.

Let alone the 100s if million spent translating government docs and tests and ballots.(try not to focus on just the ballots).To deny this is like denying that you press '1'for English.

I have lived and worked in several countries. I had to learn the language to apply, for the job, do the job, get a driver's license, and every daily activity.


I didn't expect otherwise.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 3/20/2016 3:19:59 PM
And blah blah blah blah blah...could you answer the question, when asked a question giving snotty sound bites is ridiculous. So how many languages do you speak fluently? So far, you act as though you understand nothing, why do you present yourself that way? Surely you don't interact this way socially or at work.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
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Posted: 3/20/2016 3:22:17 PM
$ hundreds of millions? US spent that much per week for munitions with which to kill brown people in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. And before that, yellow people in Vietnam. .somehow that is of no concern. .one nuclear submarine runs over $ 2 billion..need some fat cost overruns to make a bunch more defense contractors into multi millionaires. .one B2 bomber over $ 200 million..still a lot of non white people left in the world..might have to get to killing them..keep spending trillions of $ on weapons, death and destruction.
somehow doubting that poster knows so many languages given that her grasp of English is not particularly strong. Seems to have a private language known only to herself. I have no doubt there are immigrants from non English speaking countries who arrived within the past 5 years who can write better, in English. Perhaps there are ESL extension courses available.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 3/20/2016 4:54:33 PM
I've noticed our resident word salad anti-immigration specialist never has anything to say about Cuban immigrants qualify for expedited "legal permanent resident" status and eventually U.S. citizenship. Known as the "dry foot policy."

Last night another protester got the craype beat out of him at a tRump rally. A protester holding up a sign with both hands being escorted by police off the premises got the craype beat out of him by tRump supporter Tony Pittway. When he finishes beating the protester police calmly handcuff Pittway and escort him out of the building. Violence against protesters at tRump rallies seems like an everyday occurrence now.


China's rumoured gold accumulation and any yuan devaluation is a seeming point made by you that I've failed to understand Do you want to elaborate? ....to help me out , I'm very slow.


Then I'll type slowly for you Billy. You've made the point that gold stabilizes currency. I fail to see how China hording gold has stabilized it's currency when it has just devalued its' currency. You've pointed to Asian nations hording gold. I'm waiting for your recommendation as to which of these Asian nation currencies investors should be buying. My guess is there isn't one. Which of the Asian nations, including China, is hording gold with the intent of creating a gold standard.

Billy, you've pointed out that the US valued gold at $35/oz. That was after Roosevelt revalued gold from $20.67 to $35 per ounce. In effect devaluing the dollar. After devaluing the dollar in 1931 because of $35/oz gold prices and the dollar remained stable until the 50's. Whenever gold was 34.85/oz gold was sold to the treasury, and whenever gold hit $35.18 gold was bought from the treasury. Well in the late 50's gold values started to rise putting a run on the gold reserves of the Treasury. After market manipulation by the Treasury and the Bank of England gold stabilized at $35.08 and was sustainable until the Vietnam war escalation forced the Treasury to print more money. By the late 60's gold manipulation could not longer sustain the $35.08 break even point and gold started to rise over $40....Treasury gold reserves fell over 10%...the spiral had started....leading to it's eventual end as a standard for both the US Treasury and the Bank of England.

https://mises.org/library/losing-battle-fix-gold-35

Great article Billy...get educated
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
Msg: 25
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Posted: 3/20/2016 5:01:44 PM
Well, nobody should be getting attacked at those rallies, and it seems both people were Trump supporters, or at least...GOP, supporters...the party is in chaos, a sinking ship which everybody wants to go down with.

I say let them...........
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