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 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 1
Fake News is the point - its the new truthPage 1 of 15    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15)
So what is going on in the USA?

So who believes that TRUMP will be assassinated before he becomes president, or shortly afterwards or denied the presidency in a coup, using of the Electoral College by the establishment who really fear for their profits in the military security complexities.

TRUMP is a Russian stooge, put in power by Putin, as he has done with Brexit, and now interfering in European Elections. The media is full of how awful Rusia is, and RUSSIA id PUTIN alone the new best ever Hitler after Saddam, Gadaffi, and Assad. If there is no evidence then make it up, create hysteria, fear of Russia taking over the world. As for how much a real threat Russia is, that must not be discussed, there is one narrative, one message, one opinion, and it all adds up to one message…RUSSIA is VERY VERY VERY BAD.

Trump has criticised the military security complex, does not believe a word of the CIA, FBI and the rest of the trillion dollar cash merry-go –round spouting what to him is utter nonsense. He has threatened to cut wastage in the military and security services, which is playing with fire. How many assassination have the CIA been involved in changing governments since WW2. How many wars has the CIA created to overthrow government since WW2. How many hundreds of million have died needlessly because of US foreign policy driven by corporate greed and rubber stamped by the best government money can buy on the world?

The whole of the press is against TRUMP in the USA and Europe. We all know the press is there to push opinions into the minds of the very busy, lazy and ignorant, all those not willing to investigate further. We know all the evidence presented to the UK Parliament for the invasion of Iraq was a lie. FAKE NEWS We know that all the evidence presented to the UN by Colin Powell was a lie. FAKE NEWS

But we learned that after the event, and no one has been charged with he loss of all those unnecessary lives or the chaos created as a result of total destruction of the infrastructure. We learn nothing and repeat the same scenario, first in Libya and also in Syria were the destruction of the infrastructures is designed to create social chaos for the general population, who might then assist in overthrowing those in power. The theory does not work.

The greedy powerful elites needs a credible enemy to justify increasing military and security spending, and those Ruskies are messing up the terrorist plan for increasing global wars against them, They are killing our well trained death squads, its outrageous................................ so it had to be the RUSSIANS...they are a credible enemy the common people will believe. those good reliable bogey men from the Cold War, reinvented for profit security.

So which of the three getting rid of TRUMP scenarios will the elites choose for TRUMP?

Can you guess? Well listen to the mainstream media he's a dad man walking, and should never reach being president, and they already have a patsie/ fall guy lined up as usual. The plebs will believe anything if they are told it often enough.
 Iredurbio2
Joined: 4/18/2013
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:22:36 PM
We don't elect presidents anymore for their political
strengths.We are now going down a list of those who have never
been president before.Black guy,a comedian,an Hispanic women,A rapper,an artist
a lobbyist,a veterinarian,a movie star,leader of an Isis cell,a gay ,a hooker.
I think the rest are on feet book.As far as the disillusioned cattle electorate
they still haven't figured out that its millionaires we produce from congress that are
the real problem and robbing us blind.The President?there hasn't been one
that has accomplished anything they've set out to do for I don't know how long!
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:01:00 PM
My. That is a LOT of paranoid fantasies, all in one long diatribe.

I prefer a fact- and logic-based universe myself.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:40:39 AM
The only person who will try to off Chump will be a conspiracy nut gun owner. Who's going to believe a conspiracy nut will try to take out a conspiracy nut? The "mainstream" prediction is that Chump's own narcissism will take him out, as he ends up trying to pull off some overreach and he gets impeached by a Congress who would rather deal with Pence. The question is, how many years in and what damage will be done or not done. Those who believe Kennedy was killed by the military industrial complex for Vietnam, may be watching Chump's tweets about the MIC overcharging the nation. But they don't need a Lee Harvey Oswald, they can neuter him politically so they don't martyr him. Show the hoi polloi he has no clothes, and they'll never trust a demagogue again. That's the smart play.

Of course, if he's a Russian puppet, then discrediting the whole election process does them good. I never did like the Hitler comparison, that guy was on a level all his own (the History Channel is doing an interesting series called Hunting Hitler, so far they've gone to a Fourth Reich nuclear program in Peron's Argentina until the 1955 coup with American sponsorship. you can find the prior shows on their website). It is ironic, how many democracies America has messed with (terrorists fear our freedom? naw, they just actually want some of it) and the chickens may come home to roost.

still, if we magically got rid of the military industrial complex tomorrow....how many americans would be out of work? Millions. If DARPA stopped research and development, what would be the ripple effect on invention and technology?
 2ufo2
Joined: 8/29/2016
Msg: 5
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Posted: 12/21/2016 8:03:02 AM
But conspiracies are so much fun.

Personally, I think the greys and Annunaki should come roaring out from space and the world will come together, singing 'It's a Small World', right before vaporization from the Death Star!

Of course, if you actually BELIEVE conspiracies, then they're not so much fun.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 6
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:01:24 PM
Two low-flying military helicopters and an airplane unnerved New Yorkers last week by flying in circles over Manhattan. It turns out, the aircraft were part of an “emergency relocation” drill, in the event that President-elect Donald Trump needs to be extracted from the city.

Many New Yorkers reported being startled as a C-130 search-and-rescue aircraft, which has a 130-foot-wingspan, and two HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopters entered the “no fly” area of Manhattan for approximately 40 minutes without no explanation.

Another source said that “they were making plans how to remove him, mapping plans and strategizing.”

According to sources, in an emergency requiring the evacuation of the President, he would be taken north to Central Park by the Secret Service, and then a helicopter would transport him to Washington DC, or a secret site in Virginia or West Virginia.

While the drill is understandably necessary, many residents and law enforcement were unhappy that no notice or explanation was given while the drill was taking place.

“They should have told people they were doing recon, and going to fly at low altitudes, instead of keeping it a secret,” a law enforcement source told DNAInfo. “People were scared, and rightly so."
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 7
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:26:59 PM

The whole of the press is against TRUMP in the USA and Europe. We all know the press is there to push opinions into the minds of the very busy, lazy and ignorant, all those not willing to investigate further. We know all the evidence presented to the UK Parliament for the invasion of Iraq was a lie. FAKE NEWS We know that all the evidence presented to the UN by Colin Powell was a lie. FAKE NEWS

This thread got me thinking about "news" in general, and how "we" get it.
If it happens on your street, and you witness it, you don't really 'need' anyone else, to tell you what happened.
-Or do you?

Two people can witness the same event, and "see it", completely differently.
Eg. One person sees a man resisting arrest, another sees police brutality.
-One person sees a peaceful demonstration, another sees lawlessness, and "provocation".
Everyone has a different 'perspective'.

In the past, "news" from elsewhere, or further afield, came via "word of mouth".
The problem was, it often arrived, via several different, sequential mouths, and what began as "he spoke eloquently, and comforted the sick", became "he performed miracles, and raised the dead".

Newspapers held much more sway, in the past, over public opinion, when most people got their "news" that way.
Now there are multiple channels, and many people use "social media", and that's where "fake news" seems to reside most often.

So who do we 'trust', to get our news from?
How do we know that what we're told, is what happened?
How do we know if anything is true?
It's tricky, if you think about it......
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
Msg: 8
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:34:51 PM
Oh please Jovan...stop being a hypocrite. You buy all the garbage about Israel. Its called cognitive dissonance . . . confirmation bias. You believe merely what you want to believe and reject the rest. So please don't pretend you are somehow above buying into fake news. It makes up the core of most of the arguments you have made on these boards.
 LGL1975
Joined: 6/7/2015
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Posted: 12/22/2016 6:32:12 PM
Fake news would not be a problem if people had an honest media.
 cowboylever25
Joined: 9/20/2014
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Posted: 12/23/2016 7:47:28 AM
As a pro gun guy and being from pa just look at pa's past. We went the other way on party this time. All the rednecks and gun owners went out to vote for the only one that will protect gun rights.
 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
Msg: 11
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Posted: 12/23/2016 8:07:39 AM
That's pretty much a demonstration of fake news right there.
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
Msg: 12
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Posted: 12/23/2016 8:46:19 AM
^^^^ You mean Trump was lying when he claimed Hillary would take their guns? TRUMP LIE? NEVER.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 13
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Posted: 12/23/2016 2:39:09 PM
"Fake news would not be a problem if people had an honest media."

>>>well, that's the slippery slope. Government funded media like CBC. BBC, NPR can get a lot of stories right, but of course they aren't perfect and there's plenty of propaganda to be found in government media. So we turn to for-profit private media, and ind examples where they promote a product or service sold by the parent company who owns them (if someone wants examples, they can begin at FAIR.org I guess). Also, they make money selling commercials, so they need more eyeballs. its why y0u may get in the mail special subscription rates and wonder why they are so cheap. they aren't making money off you, they're making money selling the commercials based on how many subscribers they have. And I won't even go into Faux News, except that they target a specific audience and just like a cable TV channel that focuses specifically on, say, deep sea fishing, they can sell targeted products to targeted audiences and be worth more to a advertiser who doesn't want to waste ad revenue selling to a broad audience with few interested customers.

"an honest media" requires us the consumer to do our part. When I post quotes, I try to pick Fox News, Jerusalem Times, Forbes, etc. I try to pick from a broad range, when its possible. Some topics are only covered by a small amount of media (plural of the word medium, in case anyone wondered) and so you have to know their bias and know how to look for it and between the lines. It used to be, the best way to read an article was to go to the back part, where you got the details and counterarguments.
 Doubleknotspy7
Joined: 8/10/2016
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Posted: 12/23/2016 3:38:53 PM
Gotta love how GTO creates a fake story in a thread about fake news... classic!
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:26:44 AM

Oh please Jovan...stop being a hypocrite.

Questioning where we get our news from, or questioning anything else, like the existence of "god", fairy stories, "premonitions", or any other widely-believed, but nonetheless, discredited "beliefs", isn't "hypocrisy", it's critical thinking.
You're just making yourself look silly (/ier).

You buy all the garbage about Israel.

I'm glad you brought up "israel".
-Because "israel" is a great example of such "fake news".

The UN have seen through it, and just passed a resolution, which the USA abstained on, so was passed.
They've told them to stop building settlements in the "occupied territories".

"Israel" says "hey, we [won that land, in a "fair fight""
-That's an example of such "fake news". They just stole it.

Its called cognitive dissonance . . . confirmation bias.

It's very flattering that you keep parroting back words and phrases, which I've used, in previous posts.
They must have stung eh?

But you really need to learn to use them properly, and in the correct context, and to learn what they mean, first, - otherwise you'll just look silly.
As is the case, (again) here.

You believe merely what you want to believe and reject the rest.

Erm..... Yeah? Duh.
It's called critical thinking.
I examine things, I research them, and then reject the things which make no sense, or have no evidence, or are based on myths, or just on plain old lies.

EG. I heard the UN spokesman for the "israelis", responding to the latest UN Resolution against the continued building of "settlements", on Palestinian land.
He said; "This "holy bible" contains the 3,000 year history of israel, and that history can't be changed". (paraphrasing, look for yourselves)
That's "fake news".
The "holy bible" is FULL of "fake news".
The superstitious ramblings of demented "shamen".

3,000 years ago, "we" (people in general, everywhere) were dumb fvcks.
We knew very little about what causes anything, so we became very superstitious, about the seemingly arbitrary, and random disasters which befell them, and attributed it all to "god" (/s)

The "holy bible" also contains "commandments", directly from this "god", (allegedly, who they also allege; "gave them the land", 3,000 years ago), that you should kill your wife, if she disobeys you, or turns out not to be a "virgin", on your wedding night.
And that you should kill your own son, if he disobeys you,
and that you should kill all "non-believers".
It very-much can "be changed".

"fake news"; peddled by religions, since we first invented "news".

Remember, always ask "does this seem likely "
Before you "believe".
"Unquestioning faith" is the currency of charlatans and con-men.

Now get back to the "celebrations" of the rape of a 12 year-old, by a "deity".
JK.
Merry mythmas.
3 Hos.
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
Msg: 16
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Posted: 12/24/2016 7:24:45 AM
Jovan, Must be difficult for you far left nuts to see Trump is going to be very pro Israel. The UN doesn't matter anymore...it should be kicked out of NYC. What matters?....who is President. Once again.. YOU LOSE. ISRAEL WINS...LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES.
 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
Msg: 17
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Posted: 12/24/2016 7:39:13 AM
I see the cap lock and bolding wars continue. Kinda hoping Trump takes away the write to type LOUD.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 12/24/2016 7:53:17 AM
"Must be difficult for you far left nuts to see Chump is going to be very pro-Israel"

>>>yeah, its highly unusual to witness it. At least you said "Far left" and not tried to lump all lefties together (like the joke goes, lefties are in their right minds). But hey, i'm sure the America Firsters are going nuts that Chump wants to kill a stealth fighter jet and go backwards in modern warfare technology while Russia and China both have their own stealth fighter jets. Hmm, what will other countries be looking to buy, stealth fighter technology or old tech? That should really help us out, or maybe that's part of the isolationist plan--produce crap.

Or maybe the Trumpets will go nuts once they see the cost of a new nuclear plan. Tax cuts? yeah, kiss those goodbye! No way you can afford Reagan era-level nuclear plans (run by Gov. Rick Perry, who can't remember the agency he wants to cut, oh wait, its the one he's going to be in charge of, *forehead smack*. No wonder the Trumpets are typing in caps, they're so angry but can't stand being angry at themselves for voting in this chaotic administration that has to always explain the things it said the day before.

"the UN doesn't matter anymore"

>>>until we need it again. Or we invade a country with no plan as to what government will follow, and then we'll beg NATO to cough up some extra boots on the ground.
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
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Posted: 12/24/2016 9:25:47 AM
^^^Its almost a given Trump will never get his Wall or Trillion dollar infrastructure package through Congress. No money for either one of them. Its pretty clear that Congress will not be cutting taxes given the effect on the already 20 Trillion dollar Deficit. As for that Stealth Fighter.......way, way too expensive. Should have been killed long ago. The Pentagon's budget should be cut in half. More money for butter, less money for guns. But of course . . . we are the Premier war like Nation and to many mouths are being fed by the military industrial complex . . . so that's unlikely to happen.

No...I am not a Trumpette or anything close....but at least the man supports Israel. Even he has a saving grace. He has not been taken in by the years and years of propaganda and false information that people like Cotter and Jovan buy hook line and sinker. Its good in this case he is such a skeptic.

Once its clear the Trump stimulus is never coming... the market will start crashing. I am selling out most of my positions and hope to be fully in cash by the time Trump is inaugurated... There is a perfect storm coming to this market:

1) It is already highly overvalued by all historical measures. Future earnings will never support current valuations.
2) The Fed is raising interest rates. As Zweig says . . . don't fight the fed, and yet that is exactly what Main Street is recommending right now.
3) Not the least of the issues is Trump..... his lack of predictability and instability is going to roil and eventually kill the markets.

Add in possible trade wars or worse with China, Mexico....etc.... 2017 - 2018 is going to be a very bad year for the markets.

Watch and see.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 12/24/2016 11:06:55 AM
No surprise, as a wacky leftist, i'd rather the military industrial complex received less money, and all the hard-working Americans employed by them get other jobs instead, like say taking care of our veterans (which typically gets shoved aside for new boondoogles like the V22 Osprey crash car) or investigating clean energy and leading the world in it. Get rid of the F35, and that's 100,000+ Americans sent to the bread lines. Sure beats the few Carrier employees Chump saved for $7 mill who may very well lose their jobs when Carrier modernizes the factories.

Does Chump support Israel, or does he just support conservative governments ready to go to war like Putin's? I know people will say its an insult, but it might be an important question in the new future--does Chump support nations, or just certain governments, and what happens to alliances formed if those governments change?

"Once its clear the Trump stimulus is never coming...the market will crash".

>>>well, maybe the Trumpets will listen to one of their own, they sure didn't listen when voting. They continued to believe Mexico would pay for the wall, jobs would fall out of the sky, all the while taxes went down. There's a funny meme where Lucy of Peanuts fame is holding the football for Charlie Brown, promising trickle down economics. Everyone but the Trumpets knew that ball will be pulled away from them. And yes, that's not including insulting the Chinese and playing footsie with the Russians as Rome burns.

Alas, poor Trumpets who will be so hurt in all this...I feel bad for them, even though its obvious they caused it all to happen to them by intentionally voting for someone they knew from the beginning was lying to their faces. Why would they choose a liar? They might not recognize a narcissist, but what need does it fill to vote for a liar? such odd people.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 21
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Posted: 12/24/2016 12:37:22 PM

Jovan, Must be difficult for you far left nuts to see Trump is going to be very pro Israel.

Everything Herr Trump does, is "difficult to watch".
-If you're sane.

The UN doesn't matter anymore...it should be kicked out of NYC.

It's not so much the UN., as World- unanimity, in condemning the actions of "israel".
They thought the UN mattered, when they asked for "recognition".

Your belligerence and crowing about your oppression and dispossession of innocent people, is typical of the "real israel".
And all the while, pleading 'victimhood'.
The whole thing is based on a fake myth, and a fake fantasy.
Fake news, from a fake "tribe", about a fake country.
The truth is always gonna getcha.
You can't suppress it, anymore.
That's not my fault.
Chill Marilyn.



What matters?....who is President.

Don't forget the "first beaver lady".
She's also a "role model". Or should that be "roll"..

YOU LOSE. ISRAEL WINS...LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES.

There's no need to shout, I'm sitting right here.
You need to calm down.

I haven't "lost" anything. I don't "have a dog in this fight", as they say.
I'm just another social-justice-warrior, and on the side of truth and justice.

The Palestinians have been, and are being, treated disgracefully, to satisfy a religious fantasy.
"Christians" also share some aspects of that fantasy, and so have supported it.
The establishment of "israel" has been just another example of "christians" killing people, for their "beliefs", in the "holy land".
"Israel" is a religious war. The "Third Crusade".

Maybe Trump will realise that he can save billions, simply by withdrawing military and financial aid, which currently goes to "israel".
He said "no more nation building", but that's precisely what the western powers have done, with "israel".
It's been an entirely "western" project.
If they want to fight, I say: let them do it, alone.
Merry mythmas, etc.
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
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Posted: 12/24/2016 12:54:01 PM

I haven't "lost" anything. I don't "have a dog in this fight", as they say.


LOL. True . . . but you sure sound like you do. Whine..deny...obfuscate.....fabricate... the Jovan motto. For some reason you can't stand it that a ragtag band of European Survivors bested the ARAB combined armies...over and over, fighting for that desert land granted to them by the Nations of the World. It just eats you from the inside out that there was nothing there...for thousands of years...until Israelis built it into one of the most advanced Nations of the world. And the Arabs are whining because they want what they never had to begin with and what was NEVER theirs in the first instance.

I kind of suspect you have some Nazi blood in you. Like them, you hate the Jews, you lie, you propagandize, you spout non stop BS. Israel exists because of "Vermin" like you. Never again you Nazi sympathizer. Nothing you can do other than b^tch and complain.. Your lies and complaining never change. Same BS from you every time you post.

We Know Jovan... It was illegal because you say so. And there is no basis for their prehistoric beliefs . . . because you say so. And the Jews took advantage of the vastly superior armies opposing them . . because you say so. Everything is because you say so... Still all that whining and ****ing and seething and hating for the Jews you display .. .. they have only gotten stronger and more support since you first started b^tching on this board.

Maybe you and Cotter and other brain-dead leftists can get together and have a pity party. You sure can't help matters. Israel is garnering more and more support...Trump, Saudi Arabia, Jordan....LOL. And your poor little antisemites can't do anything about it. :-)
 Doubleknotspy7
Joined: 8/10/2016
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Posted: 12/24/2016 1:31:49 PM
Someone needs to read a little history and learn who the Palestinians really are.
The left is quick to blame the Jews in Israel but the truth is that the Jews were also a part of the landscape just as were Arabs. Palestine has always been an imaginary country depending upon the conquerer. Never was there a country or a people called Palestine or Palestinians.

They never was a Palestinian people until recent history (after WWI) and they only become a concern after the Jews decided to make a homeland out of the dirt of the former Ottoman territory formally known as Palestine.
And while you spout the virtues of the U.N. don't forget that it was the Arabs that rejected the UN Partition Plan for Palestine which would have granted them a homeland. The Jews accepted it and created Israel on the land they were granted by the U.N. Palestinian nationalism failed because they would not accept Jewish nationalism. The reason the Zionists(Israel) succeeded is because they were tolerant and willing to compromise and accept the two state solution.
For that they were attacked.
So your much vaunted U.N. and the Arabs both failed after WWII while Israel thrives.
Merry Christmas!
 Tomfiend
Joined: 10/3/2016
Msg: 24
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Posted: 12/24/2016 1:51:57 PM
All true..but the Nazi trash on this board is not interested in facts, only in the spirit of Goebbels, lying and propandizing over and over. I see exactly what they are. You can't hide evil and hate by being a rabid leftist nut.
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 25
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Posted: 12/24/2016 3:49:24 PM
Merry Christmas Jo, hang in there buddy, hopefully tomorrow carries into the new year for ya in a more positive way.
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