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 JustinElle
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FIRSTLY!!!!

Never ask the question

WHO GAINS FROM THE RUSSIAN THREAT

So what is the biggest threat from Russia?

Are they the most powerful nation on earth, electing people in various countries, turning the citizens against their own government.

Did they make BREXIT happen?

Did They Elect Trump?

Are they hacking all government computers?

Are they reprogramming the nuclear deterrent?

Are the planning to launch the Nukes on the nations that have them?

Are they taking jobs?

Did The Russian hackers cause the crash in 2008?

Are the Russians affecting global weather?

Are we all slowly becoming Russian?

So maybe its time to get real, and realise what the biggest threat by RUSSIA is.

The biggest threat Russia poses to the western world, ever, is that Russia is not a threat at all. If Trump made peace or negotiated with Russia the threat we all live under would disappear. This is possibly the worst nightmare and biggest threat ever to the defense and security industries who combined rely on over trillion in funding. If NATO does not continue to expand and its already overwhelming military advantage over Russia, the military and security industries face the nightmare of no growth. No weapons development, no new nukes, no robot soldiers, reducing conflict, is unacceptable in the most profitable industries in the world. They rely, promote and encourage conflict which is essential. Peace does not produce profits.

Trump threatens profits, and this as I have stated before he got elected would require his removal, and a decent warmongering replacement installed immediately like with JFK.
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
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The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 2/16/2017 5:46:23 AM
You forgot the crash of 1929,,,,, Mr Prez said we will build up the military so big so powerfull nobody will mess with us ,,(the usa) ,,,are you even old enough to remember JFK,,, and the cold war ,,,sorry I disagree russia and trump are a worry, and the big worry is I don't know what Trump will do(really ) or If he knows the right thing to do,in any given moment,,,,
 gingerosity
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The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 2/16/2017 6:06:07 AM
"The Soviet Union has indeed been our greatest menace — not so much because of what it has done, but because of the excuses it has provided us for our own failures." - J. William Fulbright, US senator, 1963
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:07:40 AM
That- What ginger said.

"Americans need an enemy and a slave."

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I see that people with no power over any other part of their lives are trying to delete this thread.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:49:15 AM
Trump knows exactly what to do, but just look at the size, depth, power and resources of the opposition, not just in the USA but its now global. This puts the David and Goliath concept into the stratosphere by comparison.

In the new party system, as republican and democrat ore obsolete in this situation we have those fore and those against TRUMP. Its a new landscape, its a fight of (excuse the pun) underrepresented size.

We now life in an information world where, opinion, rumor, unsupported evidence, and assumptions rule the media message, which in this vast echo chamber gain authenticity the more they are repeated, until fiction becomes established facts.

Trump is to be exterminated at whatever cost, Impeachment, Assassination whatever will restore the neo-liberal /neo-conservative order that has enriched the few at the expense of everyone else globally. This is about putting the genie back in the bottle for once and for all, and democracy which has it merits, should only be exercised when it can be completely controlled. This is not just the wrong sort of democracy, this is the unacceptable form of democracy, in which ordinary people, the mob, dare to think they can be listened to.

One is experiencing regime change in the USA, and where once it was just exercises abroad to people who were definitely "The Other" it appears people are unaware this process has come home to roost with vengeance not even the others could believe would ever happen on home ground.

Trump dares to question the threat or Russia, China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, that militarily speaking have all the effect of a mosquito on the backside of an elephant. Without enemies abroad, without fictitious threats, the powerful will not be able to grab the taxpayers dollars for free. If all external enemies I mean created enemies were subdued, then there is only one enemy left to deal with, the enemy within.

Trump is the only spanner possible to disrupt this forgone conclusion, and he is just beginning to realise that his real enemy, is not Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, its the CIA, the FBI, the Democrats, the Bureaucracies, the Military and Security Interests, the Republicans, the Bankers, Big Pharma, and so on.

So the question to ask is what happens when an immovable object is struck with an unstoppable force, and one of these two is in human form.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:16:36 AM
Golly, ThisJustin, i'm surprised you didn't put this in your last post, where it would fit. Or are you getting your ass kicked there so you decided to begin again? Since you have time on your hands, pick up a small book titled "Operation Snow: How a Soviet Mole in FDR's White House Triggered Pearl Harbor" by John Koster. He makes the argument the Russians remembered the Japanese beating them in 1905 and when Japan became Hitler's ally, figured they didn't want the Japanese a second time. Or you may be delighted to read about Team B

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B

see if you recognize any names from the Iraq invasion, and then thank me for your late Valentine's Day present :)

Did they elect Chump or hack government computers? Now even the GOP wants to look into it, after Chump's three Russian-connected members of his inner circle were discovered and given Das Boot. Are they redoing the nuclear situation? Well, they just revealed new missiles banned by the treaty while you were typing this, right? The same week they buzzed the USS Jasper, and a spy ship is cruising around NYC (Chump's alternate White House) and Groton naval base where the nuclear subs are

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/trump-russia-issues/index.html

here's an article from 2014,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/europe/russia-nato-new-cold-war/index.html

and one from 2016. sounds like Russia's been provoking for a few years now:

http://www.investors.com/politics/andrew-malcolm/russian-fighters-buzz-u-s-ship-as-obama-declares-isis-decline/

good luck making peace with that, Ribbentrop. Russia isn't the biggest threat, but not for a lack of trying. America, like all superpowers, loves to point at barbarians at the gate. But make peace with the former KGB leader? You honestly think a state dept run by an oil guy looking to finish off making oil deals, led by a moron who conducts government policy in front of civilians, is going to pull that off? Putin will eat them for lunch.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:43:53 AM
The Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, has made business deals with Russia, and has received the highest Russian civilian medal from Putin. So why is it a shock that someone in Trump's cabinet has had dealings with Russia?

Trump is convinced that building the wall at the U.S.-Mexico border will stop all of the boogeymen and evil doers from getting into the U.S. He might as well use the same theory to finish the job, and build walls along the other three sides of the U.S. to keep out bad people from all over the world. Along with that, the Statue of Liberty should be retrofitted to have her holding a fully functioning machine gun and a rocket launcher. And the sign that says "Give us your tired, your poor, and your hungry" will be replaced with "Keep the fvck out your foreign b_stards, or you will get a belly full of lead." That would have the Trumpsters jumping for joy.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:47:58 AM
^ i see her being replaced with a GI Joe "holding a fully functioning machine gun and rocket launcher"

and for good measure simplify the wording in pace with the reading comprehension of the average 'murIcan..
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:51:53 AM
sorry GTO,,,das boot ,,is german ,,and a very good film ,,,not sure what "the boot" is in russian ??? any KGB'ers watching ,,,??
I don't think USSR ,,,oh sorry russia will ever trust America ,,they will always think of 1918 when we invaded them ,,,it

was a very small ,stupid Idea ,,but hey 1918 there was no shortage of that ,,,but they (russia) have a long memory
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:59:21 AM
yes, Das Boot is german for the boat, it was a movie about German U boats. I had it on the mind talking about the Russians spying on America's home of nuclear submarines. Sorry for the bad pun. But in seriousness, yes, Russia wants to return to a superpower. Working with clientstate Syria was an attempt to become a power broker in the Mideast again. China, meanwhile, also wants to be the 800lb gorilla in the Pacific. And we have a non-professional playing CINC during these trying times. Maybe for the next four years, he can keep reliving the election

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/when-governing-beckons-trump-keeps-campaigning/2017/02/16/376deb8e-f3b4-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.131878626eeb
 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:08:19 AM
looks like the USA going to lose the 5 eyes
"Sensitive leaks seeping from Donald Trump's White House, the latest of which revived misgivings about his administration's ties with Russia, could end up fouling a global intelligence ecosystem that has long shared data with American spy channels.

The danger, former counterterrorism officials warn, is the U.S. could become isolated from security partnerships abroad as reports pile up about White House links with the Kremlin."

Some of the goingons is like Mad's spy vs spy

Er Russia is a super power. And I'm not just saying that in case Putin is reading the forums. Imagine his Profile!
Header " You can call me Vlad" and then his Interests. Hmm, World domination. Whiskers on Kittens. Vodka.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 12
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:35:51 AM
Does not anyone get it, regime change?

Its exactly the same format used in Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela, Libya and not forgetting Iran and the weapons for the easily deluded.

Well the weapons for the easily deluded these days is RUSSIA

It seems you can fool the ill informed forever and they eat it up.

The same propaganda style, the same boys and girls at the CIA providing the anonymous leeks, who care about the facts its opinions and emotional charged point of view that count, in the constant echo chamber of the media.

YOU cannot even recognize what is going on constantly distracted by different opinions shouted at you from all media angles.

Does anyone know what the USA inflicted on Russia when under Yeltsin? The unimaginable unprecedented plundering, the economic and social destruction after the USSR collapsed ?

The U.S. government funded its own transition experts in Russia whose jobs included free-trade policies and the first phase of the rapid-fire privatization of the country’s approximately 225,000 state-owned companies. Forty percent of an oil company comparable in size to France’s Total was sold for $88 million (Total’s sales in 2006 were $193 billion). Norilsk Nickel, which produced a fifth of the world’s nickel, was sold for $170 million—even though its profits alone soon reached $1.5 billion annually. The massive oil company Yukos, which controls more oil than Kuwait, was sold for $309 million; it now earns more than $3 billion in revenue a year. Fifty-one percent of the oil giant Sidanko went for $130 million; just two years later that stake would be valued on the international market at $2.8 billion. A huge weapons factory sold for $3 million, the price of a vacation home in Aspen. So greed was to be the US engine for rebuilding Russia,

By 1998, more than 80 percent of Russian farms had gone bankrupt, and roughly seventy thousand state factories had closed, creating an epidemic of unemployment. In the mid-nineties, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line, according to the World Bank. That meant that the US led“economic reforms” can claim credit for the impoverishment of 72 million people in only eight years. By 1996, 25 percent of Russians—almost 37 million people—lived in poverty described as “desperate.

As miserable as life under Communism was, with crowded, cold apartments, Russians at least were housed; in 2006 the government admitted that there were 715,000 homeless kids in Russia, and UNICEF has put the number as high as 3.5 million children.

Putin took over a country whose population was falling at an alarming rate. Russia – a population of about 150 million people at time of the fall of the Soviet Union – was losing people at a rate of almost a million a year, a combination of a reluctance to procreate and a proclivity, from men at least, to die young.

When Putin arrived in office, Russia was just emerging from the disastrous market reforms of the 1990s and the 1998 financial crisis. He slashed taxes to benefit business, he also renationalised key sectors, and with rising prices for oil, Russia’s main export, helped usher in an era of unprecedented prosperity

In 2005, Putin launched National Priority Projects in the fields of health care, education, housing and agriculture. In his May 2006 annual speech, Putin proposed increasing maternity benefits and prenatal care for women.

In 2006 chief of Business Week's Moscow bureau Jason Bush commented on the condition of Russian middle class: "This group has grown from just 8 million in 2000 to 55 million today and now accounts for some 37% of the population. The share of Russians who think life is 'not bad' has risen to 23% from just 7% in 1999, while those who find living conditions 'unacceptable' has dropped to 29% from 53%, according to a recent poll

So now let us compare what the Democratic and Republican presidents have done for the prosperity of its people over the same time period. Are they richer, happier, more prosperous, better social amenities? Or were they just puppets to a voraciously greedy corporate and financial elite? Open you eyes, smell the success, see the evidence, the Land of the FREE, where freedom and democracy are controlled by a militarized police force, you are snooped on like under a Nazi regime, have free press regulated and ruled over by corporate ideologies.

Its a joke and the joke is on you!!
 razors_edge55
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:32:35 AM
more will come in on this ,,I'll just say "regime change" the US is not thought of as a regime or dictatorship,,,alot about what you said was funny cause you went from 1998 to 94 ,,,,, alot of people who opossed Putan have some how uhh died ,,something I think trump would like to see , The mofia you forgot them ,,,"It"s safer to say" and in that time in america who made some profit ,,,??? Mr T ,,,and maybe we would have some Idea if we only saw something of any of his Ficking taxes ,,,,and last """" FREE P#SSY RIOT"""""
 daynadaze
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:03:17 AM

I see that people with no power over any other part of their lives are trying to delete this thread.


Do you see that? Please show up the proof, give us the names and tell us how you got those names.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:52:03 PM
"Does anyone know what the USA inflicted on Russia when under Yeltsin?"

Golly, ThisJustin, do you have any idea why America dropped a pair of nukes on Japan? To give Mother Russia a hint. They may have dissolved Comintern in 1943, but capitalists knew the idea wasn't dead. Trying to give communism the coup d'grace after glastnost did the inevitable to it, isn't a surprise. Well, except to Marxists who thought it was historically inevitable that workers would be intelligent enough to have class consciousness. Instead, workers wanted to be rich people, too. So they weren't going to get rid of the rules for the rich, dreaming one day they'd be the ones enjoying the Golden Rule

y'know the Golden Rule, right? those with the gold, makes the rules.

You know a couple of things, ThisJustin, but you don't have the whole story. Its like the blind men who meet an elephant, they define the elephant by the one part of it they touch, b/c they can't see that they don't see it being a bigger thing than they can reach with their arms. Reminds me of the coworkers my former boss would label, "knowledgeable enough to be dangerous". His job was to keep the computers running, but when the software crashed they thought they knew enough to fix it themselves without calling him to do it. So they'd get in deep, finally call him, and then he had to figure out what they did in attempt to fix it, undo what they did to get back to the original problem, and then finally solve the original problem.

Keep paying attention, ThisJustin, and we'll explain to you the big parts you're missing.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:37:54 PM
Now that I see that she has posted the same things again, I realize that Dayna is joking.
LOLOLOLOLOL!

""""'''So they weren't going to get rid of the (lack of) rules for the rich, dreaming one day they'd be the ones enjoying the Golden Rule""""""" gto
( my parenthetical)

I have seen that in second and third world countries that I have lived in. I called it the "One day, I will be King" rule.

However, the extreme and hysterical nature of hatred of all things Trump by loud leftists and pseudo intellectuals suggests that what the OP has written is correct.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:10:23 PM
So...you don't have any info, you just made that up. Maybe Kellyanne will show up with the proof....
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:26:19 AM
Not playing, Dayna.
Continue to resort to ad hominem

Again, this is not a dissertation defense and you know how to google.
I am sure of it.
 IgorFrankensteen
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The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 2/17/2017 4:35:13 AM

FIRSTLY!!!!

Never ask the question

WHO GAINS FROM THE RUSSIAN THREAT

So what is the biggest threat from Russia?

Are they the most powerful nation on earth, electing people in various countries, turning the citizens against their own government.

Did they make BREXIT happen?

Did They Elect Trump?

Are they hacking all government computers?

Are they reprogramming the nuclear deterrent?

Are the planning to launch the Nukes on the nations that have them?

Are they taking jobs?

Did The Russian hackers cause the crash in 2008?

Are the Russians affecting global weather?

Are we all slowly becoming Russian?

So maybe its time to get real, and realise what the biggest threat by RUSSIA is.

The biggest threat Russia poses to the western world, ever, is that Russia is not a threat at all. If Trump made peace or negotiated with Russia the threat we all live under would disappear. This is possibly the worst nightmare and biggest threat ever to the defense and security industries who combined rely on over trillion in funding. If NATO does not continue to expand and its already overwhelming military advantage over Russia, the military and security industries face the nightmare of no growth. No weapons development, no new nukes, no robot soldiers, reducing conflict, is unacceptable in the most profitable industries in the world. They rely, promote and encourage conflict which is essential. Peace does not produce profits.

Trump threatens profits, and this as I have stated before he got elected would require his removal, and a decent warmongering replacement installed immediately like with JFK.


This is all a rather drably standard exercise in exaggerating what opponents say, and completely ignoring some facts, and "adjusting" still others in order to overall, tell a big fat lie.

The leading people who are concerned about Russia and Putin DO NOT HAVE THE MINDSET PORTRAYED ABOVE. It is a lie to claim that they are all saying that Russia is the most powerful and dangerous country on earth.

It IS true that Putin and Russia are doing a lot of things that are actively bad for the United States interests. Ignoring that, is either eager ignorance, or outright anti-Americanism.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:39:26 AM
deertristate:
However, the extreme and hysterical nature of hatred of all things Trump by loud leftists and pseudo intellectuals suggests that what the OP has written is correct.


In other words, because you are already prejudiced against the people criticizing Trump, and you already pretend that EVERYONE who criticizes Trump hold a single unified Anti-Trump position, you are going to refuse to even look at any other concerns, and verify them.

In short, since someone you already don't like said something, you are going to declare that the opposite is true.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:00:09 AM
No.

Actually, that is what you do, in a nutshell.

I have stated and pointed out Trump policies that I don't like (you can look it up) and also point out that some people will oppose whatever he did because they are not over the election results, lost their sense of superiority because of that, find it "cool" and PC to hate Trump, are still angry about the election results, sometimes have no opposition to what he is doing but knee-jerk hostility takes over, don't have any real response to positions besides ad hominem(see above) and then resort to copying and then twisting my ideas and what I have written (see above) because they have no original thoughts and/or valid response.

They can then "pretend" otherwise. (Quoting myself)

I don't know people here well enough to "don't like" them. They are strangers on a message board where we share opinions and ideas.
That's all.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 2/18/2017 8:57:20 AM
Stop. Here is what YOU SAID:

"deertristate:
However, the extreme and hysterical nature of hatred of all things Trump by loud leftists and pseudo intellectuals suggests that what the OP has written is correct."

YOU SAID that because these people who you characterize so negatively criticized Trump however they did, that THAT means that the nonsense the OP posted about things that have zero to do with Trump are true.

That isn't remotely logical, and I am confident from your other writings that you are logical enough to know that.

Would you like to rephrase your statement so that it DOES make sense? Or perhaps retract it altogether?
The biggest delusion ever is from...
Posted: 2/19/2017 2:44:21 AM
......oh, snap.
 JustinElle
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Posted: 2/19/2017 4:48:23 AM
So it seems some have managed to argue their opinion through cherry picking what they feel is easy for them to appear to have something to say.


My point is the REAL THREAT Russia poses is that WITHOUT an genuine, or Credible or BIG, threat about to take over the free world, no one will believe it. Its like something out of the MARVEL comic.

What I tried to suggest which seems not to have OVERLOOKED...is:

The biggest threat Russia poses to the western world, is that Russia is NOT A THREAT AT ALL.

BECAUSE .................If Trump made peace or negotiated with Russia the threat we are repeatedly told we all live under would disappear.

This is possibly the worst nightmare and biggest threat ever to the defense and security industries who combined rely on over trillion in funding.

If NATO does not continue to expand, with its already overwhelming military advantage over Russia, the military and security industries face the NIGHTMARE OF NOT GROWTH. No weapons development, no new nukes, no robot soldiers, reducing conflict, is unacceptable in the most profitable industries in the world. They rely, promote and encourage conflict which is essential. PEACE DOES NOT PRODUCE PROFIT. The idea the military and security complex's budget might be frozen or contract is BEYOND UNACCEPTABLE. Time for an orchestrated regime change we are so used to accepting, but this is a home grown one and has to be acceptable to the trash that feel their vote counts.

I have stated even before he got elected would require his removal, and a decent warmongering replacement installed immediately like with JFK. And folks are screaming for his death, removal and imprisonment already, so it seem my self fulfilling prophesy is coming true. By the way you know that George Sorus through his plethora of companies and NGO's is funding a lot of the protests around the country, because you keep up with the events. You also know he lost over billion though backing Hillery and is a tiny bit pissed off with Trump!
 gtomustang
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Posted: 2/19/2017 5:04:43 AM
ah, ThisJustin, you ignore what you get told, and cherrypick. As has been pointed out to you in these various posts (which apparently is why you keep making various posts, to avoid what you've been told) Russia has invaded another country, its military airplanes and ships have encroached upon others like it used to do during the Cold War, its hacked another country's election process, and its worked on a banned missile technology. it IS a threat, and has proven itself to be looking to move outward. that's a definition of Being A Threat.

Of course, Mr. Ribbentrop, you can try to make a peace treaty, but the Germans tried that already and ended up with Russians living in its Eastern Zone for decades. Just b/c your savior Chump wants a bigger military and a new nuclear program, doesn't mean Russia is not a threat. There is a vacuum out there formed by Chump's original promise of isolationism, which he's quickly backing away from.
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