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 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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"""""The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

North Korea has warned that a "big event" is near, and U.S. officials say signs point to a nuclear test that could come as early as this weekend.

The intelligence officials told NBC News that the U.S. has positioned two destroyers capable of shooting Tomahawk cruise missiles in the region, one just 300 miles from the North Korean nuclear test site.

American heavy bombers are also positioned in Guam to attack North Korea should it be necessary, and earlier this week, the Pentagon announced that the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group was being diverted to the area."""""

What would you propose if anything be done about North Korea?
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:28:30 AM
Did people know North Korea is an atheist state where public religion is discouraged? Just an example of an atheist state.

What should happen is that North and South Korea be united as one country, but I don't see any way to make that happen short of invasion and removal of Kim Jong-il. Which should only happen with the cooperation of South Korea and China.

As a result, I think we should do nothing and just keep them isolated and only use force if N. Korea ever actually uses any of their chemical or nuclear weapons in an aggressive way against another nation.

DEE, what do you think should happen?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 3
America First Isolationalism...ha!
Posted: 4/14/2017 5:36:39 AM
If we conducted a nuclear test, and any nation in the world decided that was a good enough reason to park its navy off our coast and shoot missiles at us...

...what would our reaction be to that?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:46:19 AM
I don't know. That's why i am interested in what others think. Part says ignore them and that sovereign nations can have whatever weapons they want and can afford. Another is not too keen on the supreme ruler but China will check him.

I see that the delete box otherwise powerless are at it again. Sad.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 5
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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:50:36 AM

Part says ignore them and that sovereign nations can have whatever weapons they want and can afford. Another is not too keen on the supreme ruler.


Well, at least it didn't take too long for you to start wondering about Mr.Tump.

Spring must be in the air.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 6
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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:57:59 AM
"Part says ignore them and that sovereign nations can have whatever weapons"


I don't think that is a wise idea with regard to that particular man/child dictator.

But I have no solutions....given the actions and behaviors of all goverments.





 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
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Posted: 4/14/2017 6:20:51 AM

Part says ignore them and that sovereign nations can have whatever weapons they want and can afford.


I think the developed part of the world needs to continue to limit the proliferation of WMD weapons just as we have in the past.

The Security Council's five permanent member will all agree to that and pragmatically they rule the world, if they all agree on an action then no other nation could stop them.

The problem is what to do once a nation acquires nuclear weapons.
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
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Posted: 4/14/2017 6:23:02 AM

I see that the delete box otherwise powerless are at it again. Sad.


Voting and democracy, always "sad" when it goes against us always great when it agrees with our position.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 9
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Posted: 4/14/2017 6:36:43 AM
What is sad is the exercise of this "power" to delete something that really shouldn't affect you that much.
Exhibit 1 showing that you have no other power elsewhere in your life.

The same bots deleted how many posts by that fella that they eventually just decided to have removed?

No one has posted anything here that I find that threatening or annoying to vote to delete.
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The act of limiting the possession of certain weapons by other people/countries assumes that the USA has a "better" character and is somehow superior to other nations when it come to the use of such weapons.
Can't see that.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 10
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Posted: 4/14/2017 6:58:54 AM

I don't think that is a wise idea with regard to that particular man/child dictator

Trump is also both infantile and dictatorial.
I see little difference between his bravado, and Kim's.

Oddly, before the election, Trump said that the US generals were both "stupid", and "weak".
Now, those same generals are "tremendous", and all operations "successful".

Before the election:" no more foreign wars."
Now, Syria, Afghanistan, and Libya have all had new attacks by America.
And aircraft carriers are near NKorea.
He says they're "asking for it".
When all they're doing is "posturing", in the same way he's doing, about how "strong and powerful" their military are.
Both are prepared to play "bluff", using the lives of young people.

And there's still $3 billon in mostly military aid, going to "Israel", who also have nukes.
And Trump want to escalate that conflict too, by moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
Trump is obviously prepared to start new wars, anywhere, to simply detract from investigations into his campaign, or his businesses.

He's an idiot, and an obnoxious human being, and anyone who voted for him should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
As someone has already observed, "you reap what you sow".
YOU voted for him, now live with the consequences.

"America is gonna start winning warS, like never before folks"
-There's a clue in there, somewhere, I think.
JMO

 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
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Posted: 4/14/2017 7:03:17 AM
I don't want to see nuclear sites being bombed. Besides most of Korea's wmd are underground, aerial surveys are useless as it is heavily forested.
Plus NK has enough fire power to do serious damage to places including Japan.
USA attacking would harm the relationship it has with China, South Korea. China has repeatedly warned against any military action and I agree.
I'm concerned that there seems to be a shifting to let's make war instead of peace last few weeks. :(
So to answer Dee's Q I think a wait and see approach
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 12
The children are changing the title again
Posted: 4/14/2017 7:52:25 AM
lying Jo van is as obsessed with israel as he is with little boys. Lying...anything in ops post remotely related to israel?...yet you ignore dragons post about NK being an atheist state. Sad.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 13
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Posted: 4/14/2017 7:55:10 AM

lying Jo van is as obsessed



The first step is admittance.

Good for you on taking it!!!!!!!!!
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
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Posted: 4/14/2017 8:12:14 AM
North Korea is a situation without a solution. Considering they are led by a Trump-like regime without the checks-and-balances that are keeping Trump himself from destroying the world, it is not the wisest idea to let them gain the capability to launch nuclear warheads intercontinentally. But as they are already the most isolated country on earth and fairly self-sufficient (though with a very sucky lifestyle), the only way to stop them is to conquer them, as they’re already being sanctioned and blockaded to (not) death. But if we couldn’t do it in 1953 prior to them becoming the most militarized country in the world, what do you think’s going to happen now? They have 10 million cult soldiers and devote a ridiculous amount of their GDP to weaponry – they are not going to go quietly in the night. Furthermore, a first world metro with 25 million people lies right across from its southern border -- millions of South Koreans will die and their infrastructure will largely be destroyed by missiles within days of an attack being launched on the DPRK, regardless of the end result.

This absurd fairy tale that China’s going to do something about them seems to be the only thing that’s been powering the world’s foreign relations with this country. China could stop trading with NK and certainly they’d feel it considering China makes up 50%-ish of their trade, but would it cause the country to collapse? Almost certainly not – it will just PO them and they’ll dig in their heels further.

I don’t know what advice to offer Trump. But because I want HIS regime to collapse, I can’t say I would cry bitter tears over him starting some kind of skirmish with NK, because that’ll probably do it, since it is an unwinnable situation and will further infuriate most of the non-interventionists (though some seem to be jumping onboard the erratic Trump train out of fear of weakening him). However, right now it seems like there’s nothing more than just a bunch of masculine chest-beating going on from both sides. Of course, Kim knows he can get away with it, because of the dangers of attempting to actually do something to stop him (I had some hope for the boy, considering he was Western-educated, but he seems to have gone as mad as his predecessors – or, it’s quite possible he is a dumb puppet controlled by NK’s “deep state” – let’s not pretend like Kim being deposed is going to solve much of anything, because they’ll just plug-and-play the next figurehead in line). And until Trump actually launches some missiles that land in NK, he can do pretty much whatever he wants with his boat parade, so this could go on for yet another 4 years. But somewhere down the line, something has to be done, so long as NK has madmen in power, because it only takes one triggerhappy MF for horrible hell to be unleashed.
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:02:32 AM
Hawking, I don't get your post, you start out saying that NK is a situation without a solution, yet at the end of your post, you say something has to be done down the road. What is "down the road" and "when is down the road" to you. What is the "something has to be done down the road" to you? This is scary and dangerous stuff in NK Hawking, you also wouldn't mind too much if the President did something so it would end his Presidency if not done right. That is also a scary and dangerous thought. I know one thing for sure, if corrupt Hillary was in office, I wouldn't be hoping she did something to possibly get her out of office. This is very serious stuff Hawking, I want our leader, no matter WHO is in office, to do the best and right thing.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 4/14/2017 10:34:30 AM
Impeach Hillary, jail the b--oh no, wait, I might support her after all.

We've tried ignoring L'Enfant Terrible. We thought China was going to back them against us if we went in. Now he's got a potential reach to Japan with missiles. Maybe its just time to...sit down with him and figure out WTF he wants. Ironically, America refuses to sign a ban on land mines, b/c we need them in the DMZ. We only win a war with NK if we get assurances China won't back him, and we sacrifice South Korea to missile attacks.

we may have to swallow our pride and go for the "soft" solution, as the hard one with a madman has gotten us to this point. He can have a Cult of Personality when he can show his people that, yes indeed, the whole entire world is out to get them. Maybe that stance has to change. for sure, it won't be an overnight victory. It will be like peace in the Middle East. its going to require both sides to want peace, and guess what happens to the Ultimate Ruler when the threat is gone? Just like in Iraq, so goes the loyalty of those who prop you up and accept your western decadence as the price.

we'll have to offer him something other than peace, that lets him stay in power, bribing the syncophants to not run in and guillotine him at first opportunity.
 Wilkes_Barre_Candy
Joined: 9/7/2016
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Posted: 4/14/2017 10:45:51 AM
If this so-called administration cannot even get an Easter Egg Roll organized, how in the world will they be able to coordinate and organize against Assad in Syria and Kim Jong-un in North Korea!???
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:05:38 AM
"If this so-called administration cannot even get an Easter Egg Roll organized..."

Do you know how hard it is to find rabbits that lay colored eggs?
 2ufo2
Joined: 8/29/2016
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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:40:20 AM
It's an interesting question, Dee.

The US making a preemptive strike would need to depend upon two things.
1. Confirmation that an underground nuclear weapons test is imminent (difficult to uncover) or has occurred (easier to figure out)
and
2. Consultation and agreement by the South Korean government to this attack.

Now, considering that the primary target of NK would be SK and only secondarily the USA, I don't see the SK government acceding to an attack so close to their nation by the US on their behalf.

I don't believe NK has the intercontinental ballistic to actually reach the continental USA but could be wrong. However, their military is prepared for an attack on SK / from SK and not the US. I believe that it would take time to move and prepare for an attack on the US.

Of course, this is only my opinion and I am NOT a specialist on the subject.
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:30:02 PM
“Hawking, I don't get your post, you start out saying that NK is a situation without a solution, yet at the end of your post, you say something has to be done down the road.”

For the purposes of your clarification, I left out a word: NK is CURRENTLY a situation without a solution. Any number of things could happen at some point “down the road” while we are "stalling." In almost every previous case like this what happened was (hah!) a leader finally came to power who saw the error of his predecessors’ ways (sometimes forced to see those errors) and initiated a bunch of reforms that eventually led to the world being a much less tense place (Soviet Union, Cuba, etc.) – certainly the United States did some things to influence such leadership change in several of those cases, but I’m not so sure how tripling our debt in an arms and space race is going to work out this time. WWII Japan was somewhat similar to North Korea in a number of ways, and it took a couple of nuclear bombs to get their leaders to drop the cult of personality and save their people. I don’t see that working quite as well with NK – the U.S. would likely never nuke them anyway unless NK started the nuking.

And you should know by now that POF forums is nothing but an exercise in distraction for me while I await the sweet release of death. Normally I say what a reasonable human being would be expected to say as part of the exercise, but every now and then my mask of sanity slips.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:45:40 PM
"And you should know by now that POF forums is nothing but an exercise in distraction for me while I await the sweet release of death. "


I really hate when you say things like this, Mr. Hawkings. If only you could see yourself from my perspective....these thoughts would be few and far between.

Hope you get out and have fun on such an expected lovely weather weekend. :)
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:47:21 PM
NK probably has a better chance of putting a nuke in a box container marked "WalMart" and detonating it in a California port and shutting down American trade than putting it on a No Dong and flinging it our way. They can hold Japan hostage as well as SK, and maybe target our "coaling stations" in the Pacific, and that probably helps China to keep us distracted in the Pacific. I should also point out, NK does decently at hacking our computers (paging Sony Studios) and counterfeiting our paper money. And if they can get on the fentanyl train (google drug use amongst whites in middle America), they really don't need to nuke us at all. they can just wait us out as they hit us these other ways.

comforting, isn't it?

as for awaiting the sweet release of death, waiting here for that is like hammering yourself in the head while you wait for the poison to do its thing. you'd do far better having sex with a desperate AIDS victim. i'm told getting laid makes people feel better. look at the bright side, its spring and allergy season is in full swing. the Good Lord giveth, the Good Lord slaps away.

remember, Hawking, life is just a reminder that other people have it better :)
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:49:40 PM
More kind words KJ……
And for the kids out there…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0-5QFLr14
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 4/14/2017 4:05:33 PM

What would you propose if anything be done about North Korea?


I believe that there is more to this than what is being made public.
Any air attack on NK, will likely result in a retaliation bombing of Seoul SK; so why aren' t the S Koreans in a Tizzy?

NK repeatedly stated that they will open fire if they are attacked; therefore why aren't the US chiefs of staff calling for more ships and air support to the site.Will 1 AC carrier and a sub be enough?

Diplomatically, the issue will hinge on whether China can diffuse the matter from their end; such as offering NK full nuke protection in the event of a US/SK invasion..... in exchange for dismantlement of NK ICBMs

Conflict-wise; the only way the US will "win" is if it deploys the fabled EMP (electromagnetic pulse) bomb; which will render anything electro-mechanical useless and inoperable, but I don't believe this is something that the pentagon wants to do, because then the cat is outta the bag...in that Russia, China, etc will eventually find a way to acquire that bit of technology.
 congupnaroad
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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:51:02 PM
That fat little turd that runs North Korea doesn't even care about the effect sanctions have on his own citizens while he is pursuing his insane nuclear program.
He still has the shytes that the U.S. bombed the Shyte out of his country during the Korean War, which North Korea effectively started.

Ideally we should be hoping for a unified Korea as what happened with Vietnam. But I don't think that is possible while that fat little turd is in power and they continue to brainwash their children from kindergarten that the U.S. is their enemy.
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