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 10ky
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Indeed, me fellow islanders. It indeed looks like the old xenophobes who pepper the English countryside have dealt us a blow from which we might not recover that easily by voting for brexit.

So, I do tend to read the news while seated on the loo, sipping coffee, smoking, and of course, defecating. This morning, I stumbled on a headline which not only completely halted my bowel movements but it actually reversed them and it all went back up to my stomach. The headline in question by Reuters ran as follows:

"Exclusive: EU looks to build alternative to London for capital market - document"

In short, the EU is considering setting up their own alternative to London's financial market (biggest in Europe). Sure enough, that is not an easy task (these things are based on reputation which is not easily acquired albeit very easily lost) but it by no means is an impossible feat! Now, keeping in mind that the only industry the UK really has these days is banking and financial services, what impact such a thing do you think would have on the UK's economy if the EU is successful at it?

I think it would quite literally be an economical doomsday for the UK ... which is exactly why Scotland should leave the UK asap.

Tell me, what's you take, me beloved unter?
 kirkstmoritz1968
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Posted: 5/18/2017 9:50:42 AM
Pauline with the greatest respect Scotland leaving the UK would be even more dumb than the UK leaving europe. I have no data or figures whatsoever to back up my claim, i just have a gut feeling and it's very strong that Scotland will not survive on it's own.

On topic, while i agree with you the UK's financial industry is massive it's also just a massive bubble of shyte, it's just a pile of debt. It produces nothing except promises to keep shafting some people to make other people richer but eventually there will be no one left to shaft, eventually it will go bang and we'll be in armageddon.......and it's real close.

Basically i don't care, i'm having one of those days.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 12:10:57 PM
Yeah well, what if we all end up impoverished and starving? would you folk still not care then? :/

It's kinda the main pt I was trying to make.
 6jellybeans
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Posted: 5/18/2017 12:21:01 PM
My personal view is this.

We survived before the EU was in existence. I am sure we will survive after we leave.

All this scaremongering going on is not doing anyone any good.

Our economy gained a phenomenal amount of strength just after May declared article 50 was going ahead and the decision was made. Every time she has given a clear message about what is going to happen we have gained strength again. Because folks while we are all behaving like children and bickering and moaning and getting our knickers in a twist others think to themselves "Gosh was a load of cry babies who can't organise a piddle up in a brewery, not a good idea to invest our hard earned pennies there". When we stand firm and make a decision (regardless of right or wrong) the very fact we stand by what we say we are going to do gives people confidence that we are stable and reliable regardless of the out come.

If you want this economy to be strong and to benefit from that then I am afraid you have to just accept it and get on with it rather than ponce about.

There is always another option as well... Move. You hate this country so much then get out of it. Plenty have.

I really am sick to the back teeth. We had a vote, we took it, it was decided by us the voter so now we have to just get on with it and deal with it.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 12:43:37 PM
-jelly
"We survived before the EU was in existence. I am sure we will survive after we leave. "
Well, before the EU was around, we didn't have to compete with the EU... now, we will have to. Having said that, I am pretty certain that somehow, we'll make it through although prolly rather bruised and battered.

"Our economy gained a phenomenal amount of strength just after May declared article 50"
What does that mean exactly? The pound is still miserable.

-Pauline
Indeed.. indeed. Your work is appreciate it.
 6jellybeans
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Posted: 5/18/2017 1:28:17 PM

"Our economy gained a phenomenal amount of strength just after May declared article 50"
What does that mean exactly? The pound is still miserable.


What that means its that when there is strength of character people have faith. Then you get a whole load of wingy whiney reporters with nothing better to do than make mountains out of molehills twittering and facebooking and the pound gets weak again.

Just after she declare article 50 the pound soared back to pre brexit levels. Then as soon as the bickering started again it plummeted again.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/18/2017 1:49:32 PM
The European union is a political project. The united kingdom, even the ever revolting scottish bit, surely
will not end up as a province of the fourth reich.

The five hundred million trading bloc is not , to say the least, pulling up any trees where it counts in income per capita. Despite all its problems and because it's a political project, the human suffering seen in greece is all the indication any one needs to understand it's not about working people.

The Dow measured in gold has been declining for sixteen years despite headlines of all time highs of 20, 000 plus.
in the S and P 500, 495 have tanked long ago. Only five
are making that index look good, namely , facebook,
Amazon, netflix, google and apple ....only dumb money
and funny money are chasing these stocks. It's the debt.
And because our "money" is debt we always need to create more to pay the existing...yes house holders,
Car buyers, shoppers, immigrants and students ....I kid you not are all pressed into debt dependency to prop the lifestyles of the financiers up. When you use a credit card
you create credit ("money") out of nothing and yet you have to pay interest to a work shy parasite, courtesy
of all your elected finest. I don't vote apart from when
I rejected the fourth reich.

A great way of pushing more debt out the door when
the debt enslavement has reached its nadir, is war.
We can't have a debt jubilee because this system needs more and more debt to prevent implosion. The problem
with Trump, and all politicians, whether he knows it or not
is that this system has politicians in every party, soldiers in every nation, bewildered debt slaves and a global corporate media to obscure it. Attacks on fake news
is book burning.

It's the debt, bitcoin is screaming it and at its core this is
a resource problem. The finest protection looking
through the tumult that is coming is gold and silver.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 2:02:07 PM
correction:
Somebody. Correct Msg 8. It's very annoying.

In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread
 6jellybeans
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Posted: 5/18/2017 2:04:18 PM
Billy.

Don't forget the old five pound notes go out soon so better check under the bed and get them updated ready.

Now I am going to go all gooey.

Money is not what makes the world go round... Its gravity... and a bit of love too.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 2:11:55 PM
-jelly
Well, that's rather Newtonian. The world is not really going round. It's moving in a straight line. It's space that is warped giving us the illusion that the world is orbiting the sun. If you were referring to the Earth's spin, then it is neither gravity nor warped space. It simply is inertia.

Kinda.. I need to say this is all.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 2:17:56 PM
-pauline

True.. but kinda the 10 min edit window expired so I cannae do anything now. :/

Are you really a fan of Sturgeon? I liked Salmond. Don't like her much though. She's not affirmative enough imo. Can't think of a single female politician I truly admire. Merkel? She's a fkn NAZI. Maggie and Hilary? 2 menopausal whores in need of subjugation. Probably that's because there has been relatively few high profile women in politics this far.
 10ky
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Posted: 5/18/2017 2:49:47 PM
^
What I really like about her (Sturgeon) is the fact that she didn't mind one bit putting her career on the line when she said that a vote for Brexit might/will trigger another independence ref and in fact went through with it - as far as Westminster permits that is.
 scareymush
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Posted: 5/18/2017 4:06:15 PM

The world is not really going round. It's moving in a straight line. It's space that is warped giving us the illusion that the world is orbiting the sun.

What is the basis for that assertion of yours?

The earth travels in an elliptical orbit around the sun....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n04SEzuvXo

In 4 dimensional terms the earth is moving in a straight line spiralling on a curved field much like undulating oscillations around the sun.

 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/19/2017 2:26:04 AM
It is yet to be seen if the UK will lose the financial industry as predicted, there are many conflicting points of view on this and I do wonder if we are being manipulated yet again by the media ahead of the general election. If it does happen I fail to see a causal link to a need for Scottish independence. If the Scots want independence, that is fine, that is their choice but unwinding the UK would make Bexit (how I hate that word) like a walk in the park.
 kissnswallow
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:10:30 AM
EU should be successful in the mentioned project as "nature abhors a vacuum"...
UK will leave Europe Economic Community (so called "hard Brexit") after unsuccessful negotiations with EU and will not be able to even use World Trade Organization (because UK is there as a part of EU, so it requires negotiation first between UK, EU and WTO) - trading perspectives similar to North Korea. EU will be playing against UK, to take over companies, services and workforce (from UK - as many as possible)
If Scotland will leave UK - it will have a chance to become leading power in Europe (oil and gas resources), but that would be the last nail in the coffin for UK
[IMHO]
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:47:25 AM
Brexit. One of THE biggest ever things the population of these islands have ever had a vote on.
And of course because we voted 'the wrong way' its all tears and snotters from the snowflakes.

Oor jo in oxford continues to talk about the lie of the eu and workers rights. On the brexit thread on the off topic forum i posted a good article by jim silllars destroying the myth of the eu and workers rights.

Of course those who inhabit the world of snowflakia can only call the plebs racist xenophobic low intelligent arseholes. But hey snowflake we fvckin rammed it right up yous. Remember the march in london where snowflakes demanded another referendum? Spiked online magazine sent someone down to report on it. The answers were hilarious. 'But i went to university and can speak 3 languages' 'well i think we should have a vote about it' etc etc.

So because some soppy bint can speak three languages lets ignore the view of 17 million odd voters.
Many many citizens on these islands are having a brilliant laugh at the wailings from snowflakia.
No wonder the snowflakes want to silence the demos and ignore their wishes. Because thats what their masters in the eu practice

Oh and lets see how this eu protects the workers rights crap pans out in france where a globalist has been voted president. Someone who has already stated he is going to introduce austerity and massive workers reforms.

Oh and if more snowflakes had got off their arses and voted rather than listening to pollsters yous might have won. But yous never. Suck it up snowflake.
 Jo van
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Posted: 5/19/2017 8:23:51 AM
This supposedly "strong and stable government" has given us three general elections within 7 years,
Two 'referenda", with onother pending,
Taken us out of the biggest trading bloc in the world,
Alienated our closest neighbours,
Reduced the value of sterling by about 25%
Halved the budgets for councils, which includes social services.(and blamed "immigrants", for the "strain on local services")
Had the doctors on strike, with the nurses now threatening,
Underfunded the NHS into crisis levels.
Is planning on doing the same with schools.

And far from "austerity" working, they've actually doubled the national debt.
While reducing corporation tax, inheritance tax, and
And now they're still making "immigration" a "key policy",
despite non-EU immigration, (which has always been solely under their control), rising to new record levels.

May seems want us to think her "team" are Superb negotiators, that's what Cameraman thought too.
But he came back with a flea in his ear, spat his dummy, and called the referendum, and then promptly resigned, when it didn't go the way planned.
Tories are such good negotiators, that they've manage to get some global corporations to actually pay nearly 10% of the tax which they already owed.

The tories have spent the last 3-40 years encouraging us to hate, and to be suspicious of "johhny foreigners".
They've endlessly bleated and whined about legislation from "the social chapter", which improves workers rights, and human rights.

So passionately we're they against the EU., that they formed a single-issue 'spin-off' party, 'ukip',
formed exclusively from former tories, like Farage, and backed and funded by former Tory backers and (rich) founders.

This whole mess is a Tory-manufactured one.

So "strong and stable" were they, that a week after ruling out an election, they called one.
And so we'll-organised were they, that despite being the ones who called the election, all the other parties got their manifestos out before they managed to.
They obviously caught themselves by susrprise.


They now say it's "austerity" ' til at least 2025, and that's when they're now saying they'll balance the budget, despite previously claiming to get it done by 2015.
Along with the pledge to "reduce immigration to the tens of thousands"

If the British public is stupid enough to give them the 'landslide', which the polls are currently predicting, then, they'll deserve everything they get.
It's at times like this, that I'm just grateful I won't have to suffer this foolishness for too many more years.
It's fvcking chaos.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/19/2017 8:40:49 AM
"They now say it's "austerity" ' til at least 2025, and that's when they're now saying they'll balance the budget, despite previously claiming to get it done by 2015."

And yet those who voted remain were quite happy to suck up to an undemocratic eu who have crushed workers rights in many of the captive nations. You constantly ignore the treatment of greek workers and the punitive measures taken against them by eu directives.

Austerity is bollocks. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Yet the eu you voted to remain in are bullying nations into austerity measures. The eu is global capitalism at its worst as workers get crushed even more.

Still good to know that the welsh windbag kinnock and his family will not suffer austerity as they milked roughly £10 million from the eu. Those 'firebrand socialists' eh?
 kirkstmoritz1968
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Posted: 5/19/2017 8:44:07 AM
All i know is this, i go to spain fairly regular, their roads are perfect, ours are ruined, they have mile after mile of empty properties we have a 7 year waiting list for a council house and scumbag landlords driving Bentleys and my mate out there found a lump on his bollock, he was in hospital the next day having it operated on and he had his own private room with free TV, it would have taken weeks over here to end up on a dingy ward with extortionate pre paid telly.

You can say what you like about the EU and part of me will miss it but we got royally fukked over by it while other countries did very nicely, i'm glad we're leaving, whatever the cost.

I've also done some digging around about Scotland leaving the UK, it's fairly apparent to anyone who wants to spend 10 minutes researching that our GDP will actually go up if Scotland leaves the union so crack on and leave i say.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:32:45 AM
Well the formulas for working out who pays and receives what were worked out by the original group of seven. We joined on unfavourable terms particularly as most of the payments were for agriculture so France won out particularly spectacularly. The UK lost out because it is actually pretty good at collecting taxes and part of each countries contributions are based on tax gathered. Maggie Thatcher negotiated a rebate which is still disliked within the EU but without which we would be paying more than Germany.

That arch negotiator David Cameron successfully negotiated to give up half that rebate, that Eton education wasn't wasted and he's passed all his skills on to the next generation of Tory lightweights. Spain is about third largest contributor after us although they get every penny back and more in various subsidies. (that could be why there roads are so good). They have more international airports than any other EU country, some of them so popular they have never received a single aircraft (one of them Real Ciudad has the longest runway in Europe).

Can't see how your statement about GDP going up if Scotland leave, possibly you mean GDP per head? GDP after all only records where money is spent not earned.
 Jo van
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:32:50 AM
Funnily enough, I came across a Greek guy, and his family, last year.
Now, for context, it could just be that this guy was some sort of "Tory", and it could all be bullshit.
He lived in a very nice detached house, probably 4, or 5 bedrooms, big detached double garage, and a sort of 'gated-community', in that 4 such houses, (all designed differently, naturally) shared a gated common access. There was block-paved parking for at least a further 4 cars, at each property. Very nice.

After we'd finished business, I asked him about Greece, because I was interested, and didn't know that much about it.
He claimed that since they joined the eu., they'd been 'milking it', and living well beyond their means.

He claimed that more than half the country were working for the state, in one form or another,
he claimed that they were retiring at about 55, and that state pensions were about a grand a month.
He claimed that trades like plumbers or bricklayers were driving around in Porsche Cayennes.
In short, he said that it was obvious they were heading for bankruptcy.

Now, I don't know if this is all true, like I said, he seemed to be doing very nicely here,
I don't know if it was rented, or bought, but either way, he wasn't short of a quid.
He got out, a few years ago, with his wife, and two kids, and came here to work.

All I'm saying, is that there are two sides to every story, and while I'm sympathetic to the plight of the greek workers, I don't think they've ever been much more than a tourist economy, exporting olives and ouzo and some manky cheeses.
They're certainly no industrial power-house.
Nothing wrong with any of that, except that they might have been doing it all on the EU's "dime".

And
If the EU didn't give us improved workers rights,
Then why is May insisting that they'll all be "written into British law", before we leave, (to make sure that people don't get the chance to object to losing those protections)??
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:47:56 AM
JV some of what he said to you is verifiable. They certainly had before the meltdown retirement at 55, the highest number of Porsches and lowest tax collections per capita. I've no idea what it is like now but they have other records such as highest suicide rate and most youngsters out of work. Meanwhile the corrupt banksters who started this are making lots of dosh. Just about none of the bailout money goes to Greece but is given straight back to the banks. I'd like to see the numbers to show just how much money they have made out of this crisis.
 kirkstmoritz1968
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:50:10 AM
I was in Corfu last year chatting to one of the guys my son was working with in Gouvia marina, he was totally convinced and almost convincing in his argument that the whole Greek problem was down to an american conspiracy to get it's hands on Greece's oil reserves...and i'm not talking the stuff you knock a salad up with either.

Of course it's a preposterous idea but he was utterly convinced, i came away utterly convinced they are incapable of taking any responsibility.


Just about none of the bailout money goes to Greece but is given straight back to the banks


Yup, it's not a greek bailout it's a European bank rescue via the greeks.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:10:15 AM
Jo
What about the 50% youth unemployment in spain then? Where is your 'eu protects workers rights' there then?
As for the greeks well aye they kicked the balls out of the good times. So what? Surely the eu should have intervened then to stop this happening. Or did the 'workers rights protecting' eu not give a shit.

Hows the eu doing regarding geezers like this?......


"The rate for the job was clear – £13 an hour – yet when Andrew McLean’s payslip arrived it had been slashed to the minimum wage of £6.31.
Welcome to the world of umbrella companies, the latest ploy concocted to rip-off construction workers."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/workers-were-promised-13-hour-4486402

Of course it could be the all persuasive 'right wing press' printing lies again eh?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:11:23 AM
The skills shortage is also a myth. Why train apprentices when you can get cheap labour from abroad eh? This is a nice wee example. Where are the eu protecting these 'workers rights' then eh?

Drivers paid €1.20 an hour. Where is the eu protecting THEIR rights then?...........

"The report admits that importing “substantial numbers of non-UK EU nationals is likely to be suppressing wage growth”."

Thought you said wages were not suppressed by cheap eu labour? Oh i forgot its the 'right wing press' eh? Lol the stock answer to hide the failures of the political elites and their 'true socialist' followers........

"There’s a shortage of HGV drivers in an economy that relies on moving mountains of heavy goods. Road haulage companies complain bitterly that they can’t recruit; operators are turning business away for lack of drivers.

Yet at the same time there are large numbers of the unskilled, especially the young, who need training to get a job, or an upgrade from zero-hours, low-paid work to something better. Easy, you might think, to connect the two – but it’s not happening, according to last week’s report from the House of Commons transport committee.

The Road Haulage Association says it is short of 60,000 drivers, with an ageing workforce shedding another 40,000 by next year. Employers told the committee how hard they try to attract drivers – but plainly not that hard.

They all want ready-made, fully trained drivers with several years’ experience. Many turn abroad, hiring 60,000 mainly eastern Europeans, yet still not plugging the gap. Few companies run their own training schemes, complaining that others just poach them.

Failure to train staff is a UK industrial disease, so from next April the government is imposing a levy on large employers to pay for apprenticeships, (resisted by the CBI). But there will be no apprenticeship for road haulage: the government says people should pay to get their own licences, though courses cost £3,000, plus a £230 fee for a stiff test which applicants often require several attempts to pass. They also face long waits to do so, due to lack of government examiners.

A driver grabs some rest. One describes being seen as ‘second-class citizens, everywhere we go. Disgusting toilets and stinking laybys. We’re treated like scum by the places we deliver to.’

The economic orthodoxy says a labour shortage should lead to a pay rise until people are enticed into vacant jobs – but that doesn’t happen as industries conspire to keep pay low, despite the shortages. Truck drivers get an average £26,000 – the median wage – but pay hasn’t risen in years for stressful and responsible work.

Unite, representing most transport workers, says there’s a race to the bottom on pay. Employers fill gaps with agency staff instead of raising rates. Big haulage firms subcontract work, often sub-sub-contracted down the supply line, each creaming money off, until the job is done by low paying, fly-by-night operators.

I spoke to Mick Johnson, an agency driver from Grimsby, who says he finds eastern Europeans at the bottom of the chain, paid Latvian rates of €1.20 an hour, living in their cabs for three months.

His union says some foreign drivers’ bonded terms amount to modern slavery.

The report describes the squalor of truck stops, and that is where they exist; whole districts and big cities have none. “Second-class citizens, everywhere we go,” says Johnson, describing disgusting toilets and stinking laybyes.

The report admits that importing “substantial numbers of non-UK EU nationals is likely to be suppressing wage growth”.

Unite fears companies will use Brexit to drop EU regulation, such as the 48-hour working time rule. Many drivers voted for Brexit hoping to avoid the EU certificate of professional competence, a seven-hour annual course.

The story of road haulage is mirrored time and again in British industry, with employers failing to work collaboratively, unions too weak to force good pay and conditions, and no government intervention. Ministers boast that once again we have an industrial strategy. If it doesn’t apply here, why bother?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/industrial-failure-uk-lorry-trade-truck-driver-squalor-low-pay-no-unions
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