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 reason782
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I prophesize when the average intelligence surpasses a certain point, and I'd approximate that point to be greater than 160(with today being on average 100) Pleasure or reward derived from thought/creativity will exceed the sensual pleasures (sex/drugs/entertainment/etc).
At this point, the _frequency_ of pleasure/reward derived from their own creativity will be high enough to cause them not choose other alternatives to activate their reward centers (sex/drugs/etc).

I prophesize women without periods, then women who choose to grow their baby out of womb in a artificial womb, which is better than their own. Then it would be bloody stupid not to use it. (pun intended)

Men and women will go extinct, but humans will evolve and keep living. We will all be gender or sexless. We will all be one family, no more mommies and daddies or sisters and brothers. It wont be up to just two people anymore, but a community on whether they require another person or not for whatever function.

It's not difficult to see this will be the truth. If you disagree with me (that this won't happen, not that it shouldn't happen), then tell me why. Because the midpoint from monkey to android is a genderless freak with 6 fingers and other genetic bio-hacks.

Love will then be about sharing our creative thoughts or creating connections, instead of physical intimacy.

/now let me take off my suit and tie, the placebo is wearing off
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:30:10 PM
Yes, we'll need the technology for artificial wombs to colonise other systems. Genetically we will diverge along planetary system lines so it is sure to happen just like that somewhere if you wait long enough. The distances are too vast to maintain sufficient physical mixing between large populations.

That said, sequences could be transmitted and printed at the other end easily enough. If so, then interstellar transmission of DNA sequences will become the new sex. Maybe the galactic internet will become devoted to stop-codon porn? "Mmmm... how about we unzip those ribonucleotides, babe."
 feirene
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Posted: 2/22/2018 12:21:01 PM
average intelligence cannot go above 100. in separate times 100 may be sometimes more or less intelligent than other 100s but it will always be the average and used as a base for what is lower and higher than average for a populous.

dunno, i can see people just losing the interest, or ability, to even care for someone else in the first place. caring for others has never been a valued occupation and pay is low for that, people are getting dumber when it comes to emotional intelligence imo. to give up something of yourself to benefit another has never caught on really because, well idk why, are humans self centred, are we really motivated by survival instincts like many of the animals we treat poorly but don't give them the same sentience as ourselves?

honestly, i was hoping you'd predict the human race would die off altogether because it's an infestation, it became too self aware to not cause damage to everything it comes into contact with. it could fix a lot of things if it wanted to too but there'd be no instant gratification in doing so.
 reason782
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Posted: 2/22/2018 10:50:50 PM

Yes, we'll need the technology for artificial wombs to colonise other systems. Genetically we will diverge along planetary system lines so it is sure to happen just like that somewhere if you wait long enough. The distances are too vast to maintain sufficient physical mixing between large populations.

That said, sequences could be transmitted and printed at the other end easily enough. If so, then interstellar transmission of DNA sequences will become the new sex. Maybe the galactic internet will become devoted to stop-codon porn? "Mmmm... how about we unzip those ribonucleotides, babe."


haha, well said


honestly, i was hoping you'd predict the human race would die off altogether because it's an infestation, it became too self aware to not cause damage to everything it comes into contact with. it could fix a lot of things if it wanted to too but there'd be no instant gratification in doing so.


i don't think humans (or whatever we evolve into) will go extinct, i'm sure we've already built structures underground, etc that are built to withstand catastrophic events in the case of one.
 feirene
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Posted: 2/23/2018 11:35:10 AM
dunno, i won't predict anything because there's so many possible outcomes. i just know we are both lowering our chances of survival as well as improving them.
 Gwenhwyfar2014
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Posted: 2/25/2018 2:46:31 PM
Your prophecy is much too optimistic. Humans will be dead before being able to create such technology.
 reason782
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Posted: 2/25/2018 11:32:19 PM

Your prophecy is much too optimistic. Humans will be dead before being able to create such technology.


Not going to happen. I hear this often from people, but they don't give any reason. I'm convinced we can create structures capable of withstanding hazardous environments, underground for example. The worst that could happen is we have to live underground. Yes im optimistic enough to say an asteroid isn't going to come and wipe out the earth any time soon, and if it were going to happen we would have enough time to divert the problem.
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 2/26/2018 12:22:21 AM

I prophesize when the average intelligence surpasses a certain point, and I'd approximate that point to be greater than 160(with today being on average 100)

It's always 100, and always will be. :) 100 is the Marker for "average". IQ has actually gone up over the years, so someone @100 today has a better IQ than someone 30 years ago. IQ is comparative in-the-now.

Pleasure or reward derived from thought/creativity will exceed the sensual pleasures (sex/drugs/entertainment/etc).

No, I don't see that at all. :) What brings you to this as even a possibility?

the _frequency_ of pleasure/reward derived from their own creativity will be high enough to cause them not choose other alternatives to activate their reward centers (sex/drugs/etc).

IQ isn't measured by creativity, really -- although having an on-the-fly creative-thinking mind will increase it. By your rationale, people who are Really smart don't have a sex drive... and not just lacking a sex drive, but they lack a sex drive Because they're getting emotional rewards thru other means that makes sexual desires small. Kind of like a kid liking handjobs in high school.... but then once in a fraternity in college, fvck handjobs! I'd rather go to the college football game if all I'm getting is that from her! ;)

Men and women will go extinct, but humans will evolve and keep living. We will all be gender or sexless.

I don't think it'd be out of being smarter. Again, I don't see Much smarter people having less sex drives. Also, naturally speaking, we're pretty much topping out how smart we're going to be, given our skull sizes thus brain size.

What will end up making us smarter, where the average intelligence is going to go well past 160 -- is robotic enhancements, within current children's lifetimes. Well, average if there isn't a stall on it catching on, but it won't be put off forever, due to competition gap. Basically having chip inserts meshing with our biological tissue to increase our intelligence.

Merely being intelligent -- I don't see the connection between that and fleeting hormone level. I can see being busy doing something inspiring will take the drive to carry out sex drive, less. But that's those who are doing said things. Super intelligent or not.

Also: The way technology is progressing, there's going to be Less Jobs. Robotics and such will carry out most of the jobs. The best programs are even Better stock analysts with better Insight than humans. Today. And it's not just calculations but learned intuition. Manual labor in warehouses is already being Slowly replaced, just foreshadowing what's going to happen. Delivery systems -- vehicles by machines, them smarter and more intuitive and less biased than humans doing intelligent & grunt work ... is going to Lower jobs. Machines helping out building other machines. Stuff like that.

So in 25-35 years, 40 hours a week is not going to be "standard". It's going to go down to about 30, then 25, then 20. Economic systems will adjust to this change of life. People are going to have More Free Time.

But yes, people will by default breed less, for different reason. Less poor people = less birth rate. Virtual Reality being not much more mistaken than Reality will have it's effect too -- although having more free time may counteract some of this. So ymmv. I don't see it as having a near-zero birth rate or no desire for sex - LOL.

What would help kill it though is people continually "enhancing" themselves over the years -- DNA-wise, robotic adjustments, etc -- where it's a different species. Won't be for a long time (not mere decades), since I think in the end, people like their conveniences of tech -- but apart from being smarter/sharper and getting rid of diseases, and increasing body shape/metabolism and all that .... they want to be how they are and hold on to the Basics of human living, like sex & sports.

That said, what could really cut down on birth rate in certain countries/cultures -- is having AI bots made of pretty much flesh, and emotionally-better than us, willing to please, and, well, being happy with That to take care of sexual desires... too much.
 reason782
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Posted: 2/26/2018 6:12:41 PM

It's always 100, and always will be. :) 100 is the Marker for "average". IQ has actually gone up over the years, so someone @100 today has a better IQ than someone 30 years ago. IQ is comparative in-the-now.


I don't see the point in having to mention this... the average isn't always 100, it first depends what average you are talking about, especially when making comparisons, which is what I've done.



IQ isn't measured by creativity, really


well we need to start somewhere, and IQ has some elements contained within it, one of them being creativity. The point isn't on debating what IQ really is.



people who are Really smart
it's the thought that matters, you could be the worlds top physicist, but as soon as you think of something not of physics, like sponge-bob square pants, you aren't really a physicist at the moment, get it? same goes for 'smart people'


Also, naturally speaking, we're pretty much topping out how smart we're going to be, given our skull sizes thus brain size.
ooof... brain size != to intelligence. dolphins and elephants have larger brains, but don't seem to be more intelligent than us. Same is said within set of humans, but besides that we haven't nearly touched our capacity yet, all we have to do is live longer without its defects


That said, what could really cut down on birth rate in certain countries/cultures -- is having AI bots made of pretty much flesh, and emotionally-better than us, willing to please, and, well, being happy with That to take care of sexual desires... too much.


that's just one of the many ways of it all, why not just remove the whole mechanism altogether
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:07:57 PM

the average isn't always 100, it first depends what average you are talking about, especially when making comparisons, which is what I've done.

Look up how IQ tests are made. It's based on 100 being the average. The score isn't like an SAT score. The score is how you measure up against others, where 100 is the average. Where you place on it, changes over time. Someone who scored 100 30 years ago would score maybe a 90, today.

it's the thought that matters, you could be the worlds top physicist, but as soon as you think of something not of physics, like sponge-bob square pants, you aren't really a physicist at the moment, get it? same goes for 'smart people'

No, I don't get where you're coming from. You quoted me saying "people who are Really smart" -- meaning crushing everyone on IQ tests. Or, people getting smarter, your average Joe could go back in time and crush most people on them. You're using IQ as the rough measuring stick.

ooof... brain size != to intelligence. dolphins and elephants have larger brains, but don't seem to be more intelligent than us.

It has to control the body, too. We have the best brain size to body ratio. Even if not Exact, the point is, due to our brain structure, you're not going to get an average Joe much more intelligence out without enlarging the brain. Our older primate ancestors' brains grew, and the other primates have much smaller brains than us. Point being -- for birth and such, our heads aren't going to get much better. We'd have to do some big time genetic engineering. However, technology would be an easier option to increase intelligence.

Remember: Most of the brain doesn't do conscious calculation. Very little. It's a myth that "we only use 10% of our brains". That's more in reference to our conscious thought processes, our "self". Very little of your brain is controlling the "self" that you're consciously aware of.

that's just one of the many ways of it all [fleshy AI bots being real-life-like sex slaves], why not just remove the whole mechanism altogether

Why not do it now? You can. Point is, by your rationale, those with 160+ IQ don't have a sex drive, and wouldn't mind getting snipped to be asexual. That's simply not true.

And whether I'm enjoying 1-night stands and not wanting a Relationship, or liking just short-term relationships or FWBs but living my own life... or enjoying a fleshy AI sex bot -- or liking the status quo of riding off in the sunset with a beautiful woman -- I'm not going to want to become asexual. Having a higher IQ isn't going to do it.
 reason782
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Posted: 2/27/2018 6:33:38 PM

No, I don't get where you're coming from

what do you think about during sex? doesn't seem very intelligent, hence during sex you are not really a smart person at the moment


Why not do it now? You can. Point is, by your rationale, those with 160+ IQ don't have a sex drive, and wouldn't mind getting snipped to be asexual. That's simply not true.


having a relationship/partner is smarter than not having one, at least today, for most people, at least sometimes.It could allow a person to become smarter, and not just people smart, but it could allow one to focus more as they don't have to search/worry for/about a partner.


I'm not going to want to become asexual. Having a higher IQ isn't going to do it.


there are examples of people not marrying / having children / having a partner, but of course that doesn't mean if you didn't you are really smart.

at some point of intelligence, one may find other things important/meaningful, first post is theory on how that happens...

logic:
physics is contained within set all thought,
a being contains thought (man thinks),
a physicist is a set being that contains the set physics

physicist are 'really smart people',
one could be a physicist one moment and not the next,

my definition of "really smart people": one who is currently smart and smart the next moment
 Kelley300698
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Posted: 4/24/2018 3:42:36 AM
Evolution takes a long time; at least 100,000 years. Long before that there will be super intelligent robots and androids 1,000 times more intelligent than humans with computer brains that operate 1,000,000 times faster. There will be nothing for humans to do other than play, have sex, and be entertained.
 aremeself
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Posted: 4/24/2018 4:59:41 PM
We will go extinct with the build up of mutations in us. (100 or more with each generation)
The ones that don't get filtered out.
 reason782
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Posted: 4/24/2018 5:44:06 PM
humans wont be wandering around like wtf do i do, robots/androids will be integrated into human brains, etc, AI isn't going to do everything for us... we will become AI, you cant exactly kill an android like you can kill a human either, immortality, etc are possible. amazing
 feirene
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Posted: 4/25/2018 7:40:41 AM
I want a semi-robot body. Not like the creepy one in the latest robocop film but like i have a full metal skeleton with super cyberhuman strength and flying powers, and then skin over that, maybe robot muscles would be cool as well and a fast processor in my brain.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 4:31:08 PM
Oh, so you want to be a kind of Terminator. Hope you have a good temper.
 reason782
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Posted: 4/25/2018 5:37:31 PM

and a fast processor in my brain.


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Posted: 4/26/2018 2:17:28 AM
Will that come with Microsoft paint??
 feirene
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:23:54 AM
I use microsoft paint a lot so i hope so.
:D
 reason782
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:55:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-Takf76RY
 feirene
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Posted: 4/30/2018 9:01:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1wjduQGHo
 Inicia
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Posted: 5/20/2018 7:44:50 PM
While your waiting for no sex identity- those having sex and doing drugs with iq's of 100 will affect the changes necessary to fix this mess because they can see it s a mess with their average iq- waiting for your theory- nobody will be in existence anymore and and the few select souls who will be living in your bloodless utopia will consider it hell-even with iq of 160-
S**t on what we have here- go for it poop all over it wipe your ass and walk the f**ck away we do not need such a solution-and guess past predicts future -same toa new world bunch of trash producers-have happy-learn to appreciate what we have!!! tomorrow does not come-0 we do not meet it...ever...-welcome to reality... Piss all over today thinkin bout tomorrow..
I am an extremely selfish human being my ribonucleic acid mine-only i can determine who to share with...and that will take more than an IQ
 SiennaBear2
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Posted: 8/21/2018 11:25:38 AM
Humans will only evolve to be more intelligent if there is a lot of pressure on them to do so. For example whites evolved for greater part in cold climates have higher intelligence because they had to overcome the adversity of the cold and to learn to farm. Only the ones that were smart enough to lived and bred successfully.
Dark people and tribes have lower IQ because they have less pressure to adapt intelligent means to survive. Asians have the highest IQ surpasing even whites.
 Clytemnestra
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Posted: 8/21/2018 2:31:56 PM
msg#23:
Humans will only evolve to be more intelligent if there is a lot of pressure on them to do so. For example whites evolved for greater part in cold climates have higher intelligence because they had to overcome the adversity of the cold and to learn to farm. Only the ones that were smart enough to lived and bred successfully.
Dark people and tribes have lower IQ because they have less pressure to adapt intelligent means to survive. Asians have the highest IQ surpasing even whites.


Oh dear, trotting out that debunked theory again?

...And the Earth really IS flat, right SiennaBear2?

SMH

;-(
 2plunk
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Posted: 8/21/2018 5:04:59 PM
Now that’s a fun OP !
At this point, the _frequency_ of pleasure/reward derived from their own creativity will be high enough to cause them not choose other alternatives to activate their reward centers (sex/drugs/etc).
I’d be interested to know a time-line on this prospect.
I get your point and thinking;
First—How much has the human frequency changed in the last 5k years..
Is the process accelerating—Does it even exist ?
IQ.. ? Is it not possible that an average Egyptian had an IQ of 160.
I also think equating IQ and frequency might be a problem.
However-- Ray Kurzweil comes to mind—singularity, and I see that as, conceivable.
And imo. it fits with what you’re saying.
I also suggest that— humans perceptive of evolution is ego centric.
In that; If we could consider evolution in terms of matter. As opposed to bi paddle and opposable thumbs,
We might see a process that will push us aside, and then look back at the apes wearing clothes..
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