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 DDSearle
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From frequent consumers of mind-altering 'drugs' without a physician's prescription to those that gamble more often than they can afford to, the 'experts' are naming 'addicts' in any activity that suits the former. And the media, medical profession, police or judicial system accepts it.
But where does this begin? Isn't it in the self-assessment of those that require an excuse for not going to work, the miscreant that will use a gullible judge to accept the former's excuse for his antisocial behaviour, or the seeker after pity. camaraderie or charity? Real (chemical) addiction is hardly prevalent; but delusion or pretence is common. And its prevalence may show the weakness of a culture or society
 feirene
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Posted: 5/31/2018 7:29:48 PM
You're correct to mention chemicals. Our brain rewards us for the very things that keep us alive, it does this by sending chemicals (hormones) to the brain that make us feel good so for things like eating, for doing exercise, for breastfeeeding our children (our DNA is 'us' also), for having sex (and the ultimate rush of an orgasm), and other things but basically they help us stay alive and continue the species.
Chemically induced highs are just an extra amount of the same feeling that our natural chemicals produce, they can do this in 2 ways;
1. By blocking the drain that takes usually these feel good hormones out of our brain so they don't build up.
2. By flooding the brain with too many chemicals at once.
That zombie drug people were going 'crazy' on and eating peoples faces not long back? That drug does both.
I'm can't remember exactly how all the different drugs affect the brain but they all do it by interfering with the brains natural processes. Most drugs will give expected results although some can give random ones because of what they do. And people may or may not develop dependency based on many things.

Something i found interesting is that psychosis is caused by the brain being flooding with dopamine, in mentally ill people this is not caused by drugs but it happens naturally. We don't know why yet but we know this is what happens.

People can also get highs off other things that are not drugs so long as they produce feel good hormones to the brain and that person needs to feel those hormones more than is usual, so food, sex, other people, they can be addicted to those too. People can have obsessions that comfort them also, so again things like food, sex, people, celebrities, cleaning, being controlling, hurting someone else, pretty much anything really. If something is comforting to a person and they need comfort they may turn to any of these things to feel better. Sometimes this may make them abusive also, this does not mean they are not addicts but it does mean this is when we tend to look at them needing help and force that onto them so that others can be safe. It's also not an excuse, addiction is a genuine thing and it's fairly complicated because there are many reasons why it exists. But also sometimes not nice people pretend they are addicts as it benefits them to say that, so we won't discount that.

Habit, it is comforting for a lot of people also. A person may just be trying out drugs recreationally and enjoy that and be satisfied with that. They may not need rituals in their life to feel ok, they may not need a regular high, they may just enjoy the occasional leave from reality and that suits them fine and they can go on with the rest of their week happy to have got some time away from everything and do not obsess or care about needing one but will have one anyway as they enjoy it from time to time.

Everyone has a different ability to cope, this is important to know. What one person may be able to deal with another may not. Some people may also need a regular high and regular feeling of euphoria, this might help them cope but they are still able to function. You probably would not know they are addicts and because they are able to function their addiction is not seen as a problem or anything to deal with. You wouldn't even know they were addicts because these people are coping and so do not have a problem. Drugs would probably be legal if all addicts were capable of functioning.

Dependency. Some people are dependents as adults. It's more complicated than this but basically they haven't grown emotionally. We know children are dependents, we need to see that addicts are also dependents in a similar way but they are expected to behave like adults obviously. It's likely they haven't found productive ways of dealing with emotion because nobody helped them discover how to when they were children. And so they can develop rituals/habits that comfort them and these are likely to be ones that help them ignore their emotions instead of deal with them. Any drug is perfect for this, any of the mentioned above and more.

Pleasure seeking, i'd say people are uncomfortable with negative feelings and thoughts as well as poor at dealing with their own and others. We all automatically want to stop someone from crying because it is uncomfortable to see someone else in distress, if we have empathy that is. We all want a happy life or wish other people one. I think this is the least likely cause of addiction but does explain why a lot of social activity does tend to occur in places where you can access drugs, legal or otherwise. And so legal drugs attain some kind of interesting status amongst normal folks who don't see illegal drugs as the same thing really. But if people can access some drugs and be jolly drunks who everyone loves (or everyone hates coz he is also causing anti-social problems) then of course all illegal drugs aren't so bad by default, to those who take them or those who think about these things.

Denial, don't see the danger in the habit and dependency. Or are not able to find any other way so don't care and see only the benefits in being an addict. As some people are functioning it may be that no intervention is needed, but as you mention anti-social behaviour it is in these cases where they make life unpleasant for others who do not deserve or need that and so the law steps in. A modern/progressive justice system will firstly seek to rehabilitate people and sort out the underlying issue that causes the crime in the first place as they see that as the problem and not the addiction itself. They think that by sorting out that issue then the crime itself will go away and not need punishing again (by that individual). A system who seek out helping it's people before they become a problem is even better as it aims to prevent addiction or control it so that it is there to step in before crimes happen, although it can probe into 'minority report' territory by getting ahead of itself at times.

As for gambling there's a promise of a reward. Can't remember all the ins and outs but basically people expect to win, and even if they lose over and over they still expect to win. There's online courses that tell you this stuff, they're usually interesting but i forgot what they said about gambling mostly. Think they said something about maths and the odds that switched my brain off, lol.
 DDSearle
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What Is It With 'Addiction'?
Posted: 6/18/2018 8:37:06 AM
Isn't addiction a convenient thing for physicians &c?
By establishing that such a condition extends from its biochemical base to something as vague as behaviour,
it can be expanded in nearly any way. And isn't medicating it a soft option in relation to that of the seriously ill?
In any event, it's suspicious that we are continually conditioned to accept that addiction is a widespread sickness.
And didn't this loosening of rigour begin with the media telling us that John Fitzgerald Kennedy was 'addicted' to sex?
 feirene
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Posted: 6/18/2018 10:10:41 AM
Well yes it can be convenient i suppose, now that we know a lot more. And yes some people who have coldly premeditated their crimes will use addiction as an excuse for why they did the things they did in the hope of not admitting culpability and so that they gain leniency, it can be hard working out who is doing that, so we have to trust that our knowledge is good enough to work out who is doing what. But it completely makes sense that a person who has justified their crimes will use any way possible to get out of being culpable for them.

Note we've always had a judicial system that was based on premeditated crime, and then lesser crime that was considered accidental, coincidental, or mental illness causing it. Just because a crime was not premeditated coldly does not mean it wasn't a crime exactly, it more means that we consider punishment will not work in these cases because there is some underlying reason for why it happened that is treatable, and if we consider rehabilitation will work in these cases then we try that instead because we value all people, even the sick ones.

Medicating is there to help a person function. That is basically all medications are for. And to lessen symptoms we consider as harmful to a person or they are unnecessary. It can help with mental illness also, so might therapy and behavioural treatments.

Addictions can be seen as excuses i do think that, and nobody has the right to cause another to suffer just because they are an addict, it's more that understanding addiction means we can also sort out issues that cause the addiction and therefore solve some problems with crime too. It's never actually an excuse for what someone did, it's a reason, so if people started looking at some people have issues that need sorting that will make them more mentally well so they don't feel a need to commit these crimes then that's a better way to look at it. But no we don't excuse addicts, we understand more that they would not have commited those crimes if they had been mentally well and able to function without an addiction (which will have underlying reasons for existing).
 DDSearle
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Posted: 6/18/2018 12:21:41 PM
Disservice to science
Is that what this is?
 feirene
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Posted: 6/18/2018 1:11:04 PM
No, not a disservice at all. People are sort of complicated, but also highly predictable once we understand where they are coming from.

To use addiction as a reason for crime, rather than see it as an excuse that lets them off, is reasonable i feel.
It tells us that people may actually feel shame and guilt that leads them to act out.
And that perpetuating that guilt and shame will not improve things or a situation and so we have to deal with their own shame, guilt, and the feelings that lead to that firstly.
It does not mean they did not commit a crime either, it just says that we can treat the underlying reasons why they committed them and produce a functioning member of society.

Science can use medication for some things but it usully accepts that behavioural treatments need to go along with that because although we can become physically messed up due to mental illnesses (think anxiety for example) the illness is mostly in the brain and thought process itself.
 acrosstheplains
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Posted: 6/18/2018 3:28:46 PM
It's said that ibogaine can reset the Brain of most chemical addictions such as heroin, but if an addict fails to address the issues that led them to abuse the substance, they'll probably start up again.
So seems like we have chemical addiction that works directly in a chemical way on brain cells, and habit, which is software programming of the Brain to pursue repetitive actions.
 DDSearle
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Posted: 6/18/2018 4:45:04 PM
Even if all non-chemical addictions were disregarded, what would remain could still be false
As I understand it, real chemical addiction is rare: and conditions such as 'cold turkey' are so unlikely as to be insignificant. Yet certain sections of society, such as politicians trying to be elected or those in the media making to justify or secure their cushy job, will exaggerate and somehow glamourise the consumption of stimulating, inebriating, sedating or hallucinogenic "drugs'. And the users would be portrayed as addicts rather than takers
 Dave of Indiana
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Posted: 7/18/2018 8:22:53 PM
Addiction is not a disease
Tim Holden, MMed (Psych), Psychiatrist and assistant professor
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The statement, in a CMAJ editorial, 1 that addiction is a disease is not supported by the evidence and reads more like a political policy statement than a reasoned intellectual argument.
There has been a steady erosion of individual responsibility and loss of any concept of personal blame for bad choices. To quote comedian Flip Wilson, “It’s not my fault — the devil made me do it.” Calls to destigmatize addiction remove any sense of personal responsibility.

Addiction does not meet the criteria specified for a core disease entity, namely the presence of a primary measurable deviation from physiologic or anatomical norm. 2 Addiction is self-acquired and is not transmissible, contagious, autoimmune, hereditary, degenerative or traumatic. Treatment consists of little more than stopping a given behavior. True diseases worsen if left untreated. A patient with cancer is not cured if locked in a cell, whereas an alcoholic is automatically cured. No access to alcohol means no alcoholism. A person with schizophrenia will not remit if secluded. Sepsis will spread and Parkinson disease will worsen if left untreated. Criminal courts do not hand down verdicts of “not guilty by virtue of mental illness” to drunk drivers who kill pedestrians.

At best, addiction is a maladaptive response to an underlying condition, such as depression or a nonspecific inability to cope with the world.

The study on the neurobiology of addiction 3 referred to in the CMAJ editorial1 looked at the brains of people with addiction after they had damaged them by their behavior — brains were not examined in their premorbid state. This is analogous to saying that the sequelae of a traumatic brain injury were themselves the cause of said brain injury. Ironically, the title of the referenced article uses the term “disorders” not “diseases.”

Medicalizing addiction has not led to any management advances at the individual level. The need for helping or treating people with addictions is not in doubt, but a social problem requires social interventions.

References
1. Stanbrook MB. Addiction is a disease: We must change our attitudes towards addicts [editorial]. CMAJ 2012;184:155. [PMC free article] [PubMed]
2. Kottow MH. A medical definition of disease. Med Hypotheses 1980;6:209–13 [PubMed]
3. Ross S, Peselow E. The neurobiology of addictive disorders. Clin Neuropharmacol 2009;32:269–76 [PubMed]
4. Ljunggren D. Safe drug-injection site can stay: Supreme Court of Canada. Reuters Canada, 2011. Sept. 11 Available: http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE78T2ZE20110930 (accessed 2012 Feb. 13).
Canadian Medical Association Journal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314045/
 LovingLoner2
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Posted: 7/20/2018 10:50:42 AM
Ask yourself ddsearle...

"What is your excuse for your addiction to POF forums?"
 acrosstheplains
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Posted: 7/21/2018 3:45:19 PM
really?
not so sure myself if an alcoholic is cured after a period of incarceration. Unless you have a narrow definition of alcoholism as the act of abusing alcohol to excess. a notable number of patients leaving rehab quickly resume taking their drug "of choice" Unless by mechanisms more active than simple abstinence, the brain remains programmed to desire it's chemical shot. Iboga is reputed to be effective at wiping clear the specific brain cells that are involved in addiction to allow an addict to recover, as long as they have counseling to address the issues that led to developing an addiction.
would anyone that thinks that addiction is a myth like to watch, and hear a new born baby who because of their mother's addiction, has been born with an addiction ? It's a heart breaking thing to witness. Luckily the brain is so plastic at such a tender age, that treatment is likely to be successful in the long term without resorting to the rigors of an Iboga flood
 Dave of Indiana
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Posted: 7/21/2018 9:28:10 PM

really?
not so sure myself if an alcoholic is cured after a period of incarceration. Unless you have a narrow definition of alcoholism as the act of abusing alcohol to excess. a notable number of patients leaving rehab quickly resume taking their drug "of choice" Unless by mechanisms more active than simple abstinence, the brain remains programmed to desire it's chemical shot. Iboga is reputed to be effective at wiping clear the specific brain cells that are involved in addiction to allow an addict to recover, as long as they have counseling to address the issues that led to developing an addiction.
would anyone that thinks that addiction is a myth like to watch, and hear a new born baby who because of their mother's addiction, has been born with an addiction ? It's a heart breaking thing to witness. Luckily the brain is so plastic at such a tender age, that treatment is likely to be successful in the long term without resorting to the rigors of an Iboga flood


Physical addiction ends in less than a week. BTW, there is a huge difference between and "addict" and forming a physical "dependency". Lots of people who go through spinal injuries and surgeries are on opiate pain medication long enough to develop a physical dependency. Once their condition is stabilized the majority are weened of pain meds and live normal lives. In fact there are hospitals where a person is sedated and treated for 24 hours (more or less) and meds used to eliminate the opiates presently stored in their opiate receptors in the brain. Physical dependency eliminated very quickly. Of course, this process is not covered by most insurance and is very expensive.

An addict involves a choice of a persons will to not want to stop. They want to escape today's reality by using alcohol and drugs.
 imanorangetiger
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Posted: 7/28/2018 3:02:19 AM
Addiction is any repetitive behaviour which becomes disproportionate within an individual's life. Humans, as animals, are prone to forming habits and repetitive behaviours as a way of dealing with day to day stresses. If the same neural pathways get used every time, it becomes more difficult to reroute to others. I call it the superhighway to the comfort zone. See the lion pacing a cage or a dog overgrooming when they're stressed. It's the same thing. It's rather simplistic to suggest that addicts are merely lazy people.
 Inicia
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Posted: 8/8/2018 7:16:40 AM
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It's rather simplistic to suggest that addicts are merely lazy people.
spot on!! look at the antics/work one will go through to obtain "addictive" substance-that is on a bad day lol. good days spent maintaining supply. might want to throw "money" into the "addiction" category??? as surely this is unnecessary substance??? People do exist without it? Some more successfully than others..
 SiennaBear2
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Posted: 8/21/2018 11:00:33 AM
A person may or may not function well due to the addiction.
Addictions are named when they become clinically relevant. That is, it is identified that individuals are having various aspects of functioning affected due to some addiction or other.
Then the criteria for that addiction is written and tested for validity.
People may also have an addiction but are still functioning well. Not everyone is so fortunate.
For example a man may have an alcohol addiction and seeks alcohol regularly, drinks heavily and frequently yet still has a full time job and socializes regularly with friends. His social life is not negatively impacted and he has little negative impact on his day to day life and psychological and neurological function.
 SiennaBear2
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Posted: 8/21/2018 11:06:05 AM
Then you may have a man that constantly seeks alcohol and drinks heavily except he has liver cirrohis from alcohol damaging his liver over time. The same man may have memory problems, difficulty concentrating and cognitive deficits from the neurotoxicity of alcohol.
This man has lost his friends due to his addiction and rarely goes out unless it is to get alcohol. He finds it hard to get up in the morning and has depression. He continues to drink despite having ill health from alcohol consumption.
That is an example of a more diagnosable disability due to alcohol addiction.
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