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 justinelle
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Donald Trump does not like Iran one bit, but we all know that, but he is the latest in a long line of presidents to make this point, creating sanction as its refuses to bow to US corporate plans.

The overthrow of the Iranian government is not new, and like in Libys, Syria, Ukraine the plan is always simple. You train arm, and use surrogate forces, who want democracy, and freedom to front the sudden revolution. Through the media we are told these groups are decent folk living under a dictator who wants to kill the ordinary people.

So after the invasion of Iraq the US discovered they could use the MKO funded and trained by Saddam Hussein and fought on his side against his own country-men. It was then funded, trained and used by the US and Israel to commit acts of violence and spying on Iranian nuclear activities. This came to light inApril 2012, the investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh published his famous article,” our Men in Iran” in which he revealed that American Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) conducted training courses for members of the MKO in Nevada. The MKO agents received training in “commo, crypto, small unit tactics, and weaponry”, a retired US general told Hersh. Seymour Hersh also cited a former senior intelligence official that the operations to destabilize IRAN including the killing of five Iranian nuclear scientists are “primarily being done by the MEK through liaison with the Israelis, but the United States is now providing the Intelligence”. Hersh asserts that the links between the US and the MKO activities against Iran has been long-standing.

So the US and Israel have been leading a covert war against Iran since 2003, as Iraq shares a boarder with Iran and is ideal for creating the perception of a popular uprising against yet another tyrannical regime. It worked in Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, Libya as the public are told what they need to know to shape opinion for another war, for corporate takeover of all recourse, a practice of the US empire that does not differ ideologically from Imperialism that preceded it.

We are the ordinary people, work, pay taxes and trust our elected representatives to put our interests first. We elect them a for that treason, but that is not how it works in practice at all, as they represent those that pay them, or is that bribe them, not those that vote for them, as politics is just a road to personal riches and power.

The mainstream media seems to decide foreign policy, and we all know that Russia and Iran with China are the enemy. They are sub human gangster run countries by greedy self interest leaders who do not give a dam about ordinary people. But China has lifted over 500 million out of poverty by 2002 and is on course to erudite it completely by 2020. But because like Russia, China, Iran they are a sovereign state, and this goes against the goal of US hegemony a word for total US global domination.

So the defence Industrial base needs supporting needs supporting by the Nanny state, where once it was war to prevent Soviet influences, now its called protecting Us Corporate interest, proving the whole Soviet threat was a just a fabricated lie. So terrorism was created to promote US interests, and has and is still readily used all over r the world to overthrown governments, nationalism, that prevent domination. So lets murder more million for profit, and the choice is simple, CHina, Russia, or Iran, who will be forst?
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 7/24/2018 7:05:06 AM
Ah, but how else do the Republicants put people to work? by firing up the military industrial complex.

Its just Hillaryous the Tea Baggers are now sounding like hippies and finally seeing it for themselves. And Hugo Chump was supposed to be an isolationist? Boy, did they get taken for a ride! and now they're confused....should they get all angry that Reagan took the MKE off the State Dept terrorist list, and that Bush II worked with them while overthrowing Iraq for oil? It sounds like the DEEEEEP STTAAAAATEEE...but Chump is joining with neo con John Bolton to threaten Iran LIKE ALL ESTABLISHMENT PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM.

so is it ok for the Trumpanzees to hate Iran, or to support the Muslim state against Chump? They just don't know what to think, b/c its so confusing !! Faux Spews, help these idiots you've created, tell them what to cheer at the next campaign rally for Chump! Is it ok for the isolationist president to take us to another war? what's the real patriotic duty?

Daddy may need a new pair of shoes, but Chump really needs a new distraction--there's 11 more Cohen tapes to reveal. everyone get out of the bandwagon and push.
 justinelle
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Posted: 7/24/2018 12:11:23 PM
It seems to me you do not understand Trumps position, why Bolton was put on his team, and how he has been chained and prevented from doing what he wanted to, and the plan is to get rid of him, which it was from the start.

He is not politician, not a diplomat, so no baggage and that pisses of the establishment like nothing on earth. Its hard to work out is they hate Russia or Trump most, and I think they hate trump. He has been ridiculed, vilified from the very start, a TV Caleb beat Hillary, and that shock is still fresh and unacceptable.

Peace is the worst thing that could happen in this world, and its the ideological mission of powerful group to make sure this cancer does not and cannot happen
What is impossible for these dinosaurs to accept its not longer a unipolar world, which emerged once the USSR collapsed from the bipolar world. It now a multi polar world, and crushing non compliant sovereign states is over. OK so the USA makes their vassal states buy weapons in hundreds of billions, which are used mainly against poor countries, Yemen being a recent example. Trump has enriched the war industry like its going out of fashion, with NATo spending more, the Arab states g buying more and everywhere he goes the orders flo in to the coffers of the privately owned armaments industry.,

I personally do not agree with him at all, but he is doing what he said he would do, including talking to Russia. North Korea is complying with demolishing its military infrastructure, which made the shares plummet of the leading military manufactures. With no enemy what can they do as war is the most profitable industry on this globe, nothing comes near it, and creating war, is good, destroying countries is good, as US corporations can offer to rebuild them, with US banks putting these countries is debt, so everyone wins. War is the business, and just smell those profits.

The last moron president to suggest peace was Kennedy, and we all know what happed to him, his family and his ideas. Trump is no fool he knows he has to o toe the line which is why Boulton was sho-horned into his inner circle, those Neo-Cons are there to encourage him to comply, and he knows accidents can happen, and the price of the ammo that killed Kennedy was a few cents, and then Vietnam really took off.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 7/25/2018 6:22:31 PM
oh, I do understand Chump's role in the Big Game. He is a narcissist who is only out to expand his brand. A wing of the GOP saw they could use him, as they did Bush II. Buffoons are like that. There was no plan to contain Hugo Chump, just to use him to get SCOTUS conservative from the beginning, a tax plan for the rich, get regulations and the EPA overturned...really nothing different from the plan with Bush II, until 9/11 threw everything in a tailspin. Remember, the neo cons under Bush II wanted to reduce the impact of the State Dept, increase the power of the Pentagon, and hey look, Tillerson gutted the State Dept under Chump. What a coinkidink. And what was that again about Chump enriching the military again? you totally forgot to mention the Space Force.

Chump has no baggage? apparently you haven't listened to one of his scandals :)

NK has destroyed a test site already ruined by the tests, and now they've taken down a tower at another site used for commercial rockets. But otherwise they aren't keeping to plan...b/c none was signed for them to stick to.

you seek conspiracy, but you should simply accept what's there, instead. Occum's Razor.
 justinelle
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:54:08 AM
You are good example of mass media conditioning, as the game is to mislead or lie what ever it takes to constantly repeat the same opinions, until they become fixed as truth in the mind of the target audience.

Calling Trump Chump is yet another example of loosing the argument as though resorting to insults, to boost ones confidence, one hopes to obliterate opposition to ones opinion through constant noise.

Irrefutable evidence (as opposed to accepting hearsay or gossip as factual) appears not to be popular at all but that is the name of the media game, and the point of the game is to destroy Trump, the TV personality and as for Hillary and her misogynistic psychopathic husband they are already heading for official sainthood.

You probably do not know what a psychopath is, its an individual who appears to be empathetic but in fact feels nothing in order to get what they want. So it’s a clinical category, but I suppose the Hollywood interpretation is the only one most people can accept. They are not all poor and twisted, some are highly educated, rich and powerful with highly influential connections.

Trump when he became Presedent suddenly found himself bound up in chains, preventing him from doing what he really wnats to do. He cas shed a few of them but there is a long ways t go before he is freed, and then all that is left is the mainstream media which has its own agenda, and that is to have him removed from office.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:10:28 AM
"mass media conditioning is to repeat the same opinions until they are fixated"

>>>so when Chump keeps saying Crooked Hillary, MAGA, etc, he's mass media conditioned? Or is he doing that to you, the man who loves what he's doing but not paying attention to the details of it? :)

"Calling Trump, Chump, is yet another example of losing the argument, blah blah blah"

>>>so when Chump called others names, he lost? :)

"evidence, as opposed to hearsay, is the name of the media game, and the point is to destroy Chump"

>>so when Chump lies about everything he's caught doing, and the media points out the truth....they aren't playing the game, your hero is. And so he doesn't need anyone's help to destroy himself, does he? His own sexual appetite is leading to the sexual scandals, its him destroying himself.

"chump, when he became president, found himself bound up in chains"

>>what chains would those be? from the Republican party he decided to join? seems like he's vacationing in his own golf courses as much as he does normally. no chains there. See any chains in Helsinki? nope, no chains there. nothing has prevented him from making his mistakes.

but you are funny as usual, justincase. its Hillaryous to point out where you get it wrong all the time. a year from now, during the impeachment, you'll repeat the things I have taught you, pretending you thought it up.
 justinelle
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US hegemony the not-so-new Imperialism. MAGA means a return to the old days, not new ones
Posted: 7/28/2018 5:05:24 AM
I can honestly say that in real life I would have nothng to do with people who think they have an opinion, and prove they know so very little.

You cannt write coherantly, mentionsomeoen sexusal appitite which is obviously a projection of your own fantasies, thus telling everyone someone is somewhat overlooked by women, obviously they fail to see the real person through the covering of crap.

I do not like lots of what Trump does or the Ideolgy he appars forced to follw by the Neo-cons, but I do know he has been very successful, and he has had several financial disasters and relationships, and he is now old, and sex for people of his age is not a preoccupation. He has a beautiful wife so no like people on this sire the frustrated hopefulls, envious of others seccess in the boardroom andn the bedroom or others.

And that is what opinion really is people who know bugger all becasue they are lazy, resent others. With Trump his successes have been built on his failures, which unlike most people he appears to have learned from. Its what people do, not what others think about them that important.
 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 7/28/2018 6:20:57 AM
"I can honestly say that in real life I would have nothng to do with people who think they have an opinion, and prove they know so very little."

>>and yet you can't stop responding here :) So you just proved I know a lot.

"you cannot write coherently, mentionsomeoen sexusal"

>>>so much for typing coherently :)

"its what people do"

>>>yes, his failures count for a lot. And the Soy Farmers will be the next batch to feel it. But here's a hint, Justincase--if you make a mistake ONCE and don't repeat it, you learned from it. When you keep making that mistake and getting caught doing it (multiple cheating, multiple wives), you haven't learned a damn thing.

see? you're still funny to watch.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/28/2018 12:10:43 PM

I can honestly say that in real life I would have nothng to do with people who think they have an opinion, and prove they know so very little.


So you have nothing to do with yourself?
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/9/2018 10:32:22 AM
Justinelle wrote:
I can honestly say that in real life I would have nothng to do with people who think they have an opinion, and prove they know so very little.
The thing is, GTO knows a whole lot so you are wrong there. But some people, like GTO - are so fixated on the conventional Dem/GOP orientation they see every issue and argument through these lens, and arguments that don't fit in that neat little box produce some responses that are frustrating. And GTO is one of the most rigid of these traditional Dem/GOP debaters.

But then again, most here on this board argue based on that neat little Dem/GOP fracture that's served up, nice and neat, by the powers that be, because it is not threatening to said powers.

And I will add that I crafted this response to lure GTO back into the game ;) Let's see if he can resist responding lol
 flatoo
Joined: 8/6/2018
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Posted: 8/10/2018 6:57:41 PM
"""And GTO is one of the most rigid of these traditional Dem/GOP debaters. """

I don't always agree with got but he obviously puts effort into educating himself before posting on this board, which makes him an enemy of the uneducated intolerant types Trump loves, who then report him for abusive posting....that's the only thing they can do. Not smart enough to take him on head-on
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