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 justinelle
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THe forum is a metaphore for the real games ordinary people are encouraged to play, where we discuss each change, issue by issue and bicker, and then the butterfly minds move to the next subject. With Israel the new legislation is but another step on an ever expanding ladder, but lets pretend like we are encourage to do, and concentrate on one issue, and conveniently forget to see the bigger picture. One only has to compare maps from the time of the formation of Israel and how the land was divided, to the present situation an the new legistlation is just another piece in the jig-saw. Its blindlingly obvious what the end game is all about. It’s a strategy of stealth, one rung of the ladder at a time, and the moronic general public will not see the truth. Seeing the blindingly obvious will of course attract those that see any questioning of any practices regarding Israel as
anti-Semitic.

What most people forget is that when an individual, group, sect, whatever looses the argument they then resort to name calling, where the noise is designed to smother the debate.

So now we know that serious debate through one strategy of another is to be curtailed if possible replaced with diverse distracting and personalised subjects. With such subjects the point is to make it emotional and personal, thus creating a pseudo-meaningful distraction for those not interested in fact or evidence. Its what the media do all the time, where even infotainment is now playing second fiddle to opinion.

Slowly opposing voices are being silenced, as mass media news is now about informing people on a need to know basis, and the consensus is people do not need to know much at all. The idea that officials and government are to be questioned on serious matters is to be discouraged, and journalist know that if they wish to remain in employment, news is really a cut and paste job of official handouts.

Israel is far from unique in its practices towards the poor or powerless whatever their race or religion. Out of sight is out of mind, but it highlights symptoms of the mindset of a significant powerful, influential and rich minority. Governments are elected to represent the needs and voice of the people, protect them for corporate exploitation, but the fashion with the political elites, is to represent their own personal and party advancement, and sod the people. This blindingly obvious truth is hidden behind media propaganda where fear mongering can influence people like Pavlov’s Dogs to vote the way they are encourage to vote. If they fail to act as instructed, then like with Trump, the policy is to get him out of office, using whatever means short of assassination, but that is also an option as it was with Kennedy.

Israel is just a visible symptom of how an influential elite minority, pretending to represent the people, are just advancing their own personal ideological agenda. As for ordinary people not the poor or officially oppressed, their voice regarding low wages, high rents, and other expenses interrupting family life, is just not profitable, where is the profit in that?

So ordinary people find that democracy gives them no voice at all, as governments want to create and concentrate of what is really important justifying conflicts, creating enemies, to rob the people of their wealth through giving the money to the war industry, which they call defence. Please do not misunderstand me, they are defending important principles, especially the war and enemy principle, as that industry pay the best dividends.
 hopelessnutcase
Joined: 7/19/2018
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Posted: 7/25/2018 6:00:40 PM
^^^ yes yes yes, you are so insightful....expanding on your intelligent expose, the people here probably believe there really was a holocaust. All fake news. But we smart guys know the truth...and not many have 160 iqs like I have. We are smart people Justinelli. You and I may be the smartest people on this board. Let the ignorant wallow in their ignorance. We know the truth.
 justinelle
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:44:53 AM
My point was quite simple, obviously went over some heads, its about the need for some emotionally insecure males to hide their shortcomings through advancing their own personalised agenda through the pursuit of unfretted ambition. Its a common psychopathic condition where those in the way are just got rid of, they are an irrelevance, of no importance and are usually poor, thus powerless.. Power is addictive, and with it comes a propensity to inadvertently or consciously allow ones emotions to power their convictions, and the best conviction are about either killing poor people or filling up the prisons with them. Thus a win win situation for canny politicians.

The result on the targeted populations is experienced as forms of sadism, or outright cruelty in which they literally get the boot, or the butt........often of a gun. The psychological tool utilised is demonisation, thus justifying their abuse as a form of deserved medicine, or re-education. This is common practice amongst political elites, and has a historical heritage that goes back thousands of years, but nevertheless it tends to work on the voting audience as well as the targeted underdogs, every time.

In the USA its people with a tinted skin, who feed the privately run the for profit, prison industry. Shooting them dead for manufactured reasons is not just repressive, its actually a sport, initially used against the slave population in the bad old days, but updated to fit with modern values. Killing off the underdog for spurious reasons, is justified as a necessary form of social control, masking inherently powerful racial prejudices.

In Europe we have the immigrants, the so called Muslim hoards, flooding their ideological beliefs, when the reality is very different. It was the developed world that schemed with corporate interests, to destabilise the targeted country using the first resort, military force.

In order to justify this money grab destabilisation game, we have sponsored, financed, trained, and weaponised groups of the indigenous population’s unemployed to act as the freedom fighting terrorist, head cutting death squads that are so cherished by western powers. We feed our own ignorant population through accepting this manufactured threat as a legitimate target for more wars against the terror death squads we created. What is hilarious is that the developed world indirectly through its vassal proxies, as well as directly created and maintain the whole terrorism lark to begin with.

Behind this absurdity are serious corporate interests, namely the WAR Industry, who without some sort of credible enemy, fabricated and amplified through the complicit mass media, would be out of business, out of profit, and out of sucking the Nanny State tax TIT which they cannt survive without its rich constantly flowing milk from the tax take.

Western governments instead of supporting the very people that voted them in, regard it as wasting money on health, infrastructure, housing, education and other social benefits for the population. They prefer to legally rob thier people through fabricated lies in order to pay for military adventurism, and the corporate profits that result.

So just ask yourself what sort of psychological qualities must a leader have these day to qualify for to rob, defraud, or deprive their resident populations of a decent quality of life. Only a bunch of powerful rich and highly educated psychopaths could act like that and thus qualify to pretend to care for their people…...........and that is what we appear to have allowed to happen.

So my point was not racial, or religious it is the type of professionally trained pathological liar who has additional psychopathic traits that corporate expansionism requires.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/28/2018 12:08:08 AM
I don't see any evidence that supports this. Many Western countries have a TINY military compared to what they used to have. Germany has less than 100,000 soldiers compared to the millions they had pre-world war 2. Israel has borders based on cease fire lines because Palestine and the Arab League wanted to wipe them out. A two state solutions only works if both sides want peace.
 justinelle
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Posted: 7/28/2018 4:50:28 AM
The quality of conversation offered requires a constructive response so to the last idiotic opinion.......

You do not see any evidence because you do not look it up as it freely available, possibly too lazy and its easier to give an ill informed opinion and it appears you opinions are possibly furnished by the mainstream media. Of course you know how many countries are in NATO because you have the facts, or maybe not........... 29 countries so far and expanding. As for tiny countries, what do you mean by tiny, land area or population? Maybe you are reading too much children’s Jonathan Swifts, Gulliver's Travels, with tiny people in your tiny countries? Love your ambiguity, so thoughtfully meaningless, quite an achievement!

Total Military Personnel of Germany is 208,641 thus proving how lazy and you shape the lie to fit your argument, so convincing too had I now known.

So suddenly this twerp mentions Germany because he wanted to remind us of the war and as we follow the butterfly mind it has and does pops onto Israel, and why not fancy trying to invent a bit of prejudice, the subliminal NAZI and Holocaust maybe.

Nice try, but you are just full of inaccurate bias opinion, based on your very limited knowledge because you like to show off and tell everyone how limited your knowledge of anything you have discussed really is.

Well I found the fact you like to make a fool of yourself in public quite amusing....fancy any more ill informed if not ridiculous ideas? Maybe one should pity you, as you appear pathetic!
 purplerider1200
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Posted: 7/28/2018 5:29:38 AM
O.h good. A know-it-all.

Ramble on. Make yourself look extra stupid.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 7/28/2018 6:22:15 AM
yes, he does look foolish. He's all about Israel, forgetting his hero Chump is trying to move the embassy. Funny how he didn't mention that one, at all.
 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
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Posted: 7/28/2018 7:49:05 AM
Justinelli is just not a very deep thinker who gets most of his ideas from sites like antiwar.com. you can tell based on the shallowness of his opinions and his plagiarization and then of course we are the brainwashed ones, not him. He came to the wrong forum to try to outthink other people.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/28/2018 10:36:22 AM

The quality of conversation offered requires a constructive response so to the last idiotic opinion.......

You do not see any evidence because you do not look it up as it freely available, possibly too lazy and its easier to give an ill informed opinion and it appears you opinions are possibly furnished by the mainstream media. Of course you know how many countries are in NATO because you have the facts, or maybe not........... 29 countries so far and expanding. As for tiny countries, what do you mean by tiny, land area or population? Maybe you are reading too much children’s Jonathan Swifts, Gulliver's Travels, with tiny people in your tiny countries? Love your ambiguity, so thoughtfully meaningless, quite an achievement!


You've revealed in your first statement that you don't know the basics of discourse by committing a logical fallacy. I don't see evidence because you didn't provide any. I said most countries have a tiny MILITARY, not LAND MASS, compared to 80 years ago. If they're all about buying and selling weapons, wouldn't they have a larger military? You were the one that brought up corporations profiting from war interests. Why are most countries cutting their military if this is true?


Total Military Personnel of Germany is 208,641 thus proving how lazy and you shape the lie to fit your argument, so convincing too had I now known.

So suddenly this twerp mentions Germany because he wanted to remind us of the war and as we follow the butterfly mind it has and does pops onto Israel, and why not fancy trying to invent a bit of prejudice, the subliminal NAZI and Holocaust maybe.


According to "Die Stärke der Streitkräfte (2018), the size of the Germany military is 61,054 soldiers. I mentioned Germany as one example of a country having an extremely small military compared to what they should have for national defense. No idea what this "butterfly mind" psycho babble is about.


Nice try, but you are just full of inaccurate bias opinion, based on your very limited knowledge because you like to show off and tell everyone how limited your knowledge of anything you have discussed really is.

Well I found the fact you like to make a fool of yourself in public quite amusing....fancy any more ill informed if not ridiculous ideas? Maybe one should pity you, as you appear pathetic!


You don't know the basics of discourse. I would research them before attempting to argue a point in a public forum. You can't prove a point with logical fallacies. Tell me how I was inaccurate. You're not stating any facts, you're just rambling about how you think you're smarter than everyone else. You do this because you dislike the facts and you're trying to convince people you're right with psycho babble. Here are the facts: Israel has cease fire lines, not borders with Palestine because Palestine tried to conquer Israel multiple times when offered two state peace options. Another fact is that Israel is the only country in the Middle East based on democratic ideals and personal freedom.
 tomfiend
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Posted: 7/28/2018 11:49:55 AM

Here are the facts: Israel has cease fire lines, not borders with Palestine because Palestine tried to conquer Israel multiple times when offered two state peace options. Another fact is that Israel is the only country in the Middle East based on democratic ideals and personal freedom.


That's really the one thing I never understood coming from those who are anti-Israel here. The Palestinians still have in their Charter their goal of the destruction of Israel. They want to destroy Israel and have been at war with it since before 1948, and yet its always Israel's faults when everything it does is to defend itself and protect its people. The Israeli haters NEVER acknowledge Israel's right to self defense though. I concluded that they are either stupid people or antisemitic or both (obviously both in Cotter's case). I suppose its the Jovan outlook which is simple...Israel has no right to be there in Jovan's mind, (because they are Jews)...so they should throw down their weapons, apologize and die.
 tomfiend
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Posted: 7/28/2018 11:58:34 AM
And you know....I don't necessarily agree with the move of the US embassy to Jerusalem, don't see how it helps anything..nor see the purpose of this legislation recognizing Israel as "the Nation State of the Jewish People", when it is already that.....on the other hand... the Palestinians have never sought peace with Israel and they have no intention of seeking peace...so really...what's the difference if the US or Israeli legislative actions make the Palestinians angry? How does that change anything on the ground? Its just Netanyahu's statement to them essentially that..."""we have tried over and over to have peace with you....you don't want peace...your goal is to destroy us....So FUK YOU...were done with trying to placate you Palestinians. We are going to do what we believe in our best interests for now on. """ I get the mindset. Its hard to disagree with it. (lest I forget, there are the absolute know nothings who claim Israel is a "very nasty state"...in-line with their brainwashing at the hands of their Jovanian leader...sad)
 justinelle
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:50:08 AM
So the game is called change the subject, steer it round to Anti Semitism if possible, and then personalise it as it allow those who are ageist prejudice to express prejudice to the point of bile....which becomes self fulfilling substitute for perverted sexual gratification……Brilliant...no wonder the social fabric of the USA and its infrastructure is crumbling, as the lost seek prey they feel justify a killing or two or more. These unfortunates invent a problem they can personalise and vent their psychosis while feeling justified of supporting a cause, a bit like witch hunting of old.

Obviously they are great success with the ladies, and it shows.
 tomfiend
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Posted: 8/2/2018 7:34:18 AM
What is the psycho above blabbering about now? More plagairization undoutedly.

In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this
 LGL1975
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Posted: 8/4/2018 9:52:04 AM
American democracy isn't real. Both parties are owned by the rich. Their puppet politicians will pretend to disagree over bullshit like letting homosexuals get married in womens bathrooms. While real issues like living costs and the global capitalist agenda are not up for debate.

Voting doesn't matter. The goal of the propaganda is to control the more radical element that has figured that out. And keep them divided with even more inflammatory rhetoric like white supremacism.

The radical left and the alt-right are like mirror opposites. One side blames Jews. The other side blames whites. But both of these ideologies are just scapegoats to divide the people.

The old left that saw power in terms of capital v. labor was eliminated by McCarthyism. And the new left (PC) is being used to purge the right of libertarians who oppose big gov.

What's left is a mess of black radicals, crazy feminists, incels and basement nazis who are easily controlled.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 8/4/2018 10:31:38 AM

So the game is called change the subject, steer it round to Anti Semitism if possible, and then personalise it as it allow those who are ageist prejudice to express prejudice to the point of bile....which becomes self fulfilling substitute for perverted sexual gratification……Brilliant...no wonder the social fabric of the USA and its infrastructure is crumbling, as the lost seek prey they feel justify a killing or two or more. These unfortunates invent a problem they can personalise and vent their psychosis while feeling justified of supporting a cause, a bit like witch hunting of old.

Obviously they are great success with the ladies, and it shows.


No, we didn't change the subject. However, you have the right to be wrong.
 from site to sight
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Posted: 8/4/2018 12:47:17 PM

American democracy isn't real. Both parties are owned by the rich.


So true. When was the last time a person who had an average blue collar job or a job stocking shelves in a store became president? You have to laugh at people who think Trump represents the average working stiff who makes around minimum wage-Trump being a guy who has never had a job working for others, making a menial wage. He was born rich and will die rich.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/9/2018 10:23:04 AM
LGL1975 wrote:
The old left that saw power in terms of capital v. labor was eliminated by McCarthyism.
Also what broke the old "capital vs labor" schematic was the integration/race tumult of the '60s. ...and media deregulation. Given control of media, capital did a masterful job of creating many other social divisions, minimizing and even removing the old capital/labor division from the equation. People in the U.S. don't even see it, they're so busy arguing other polarizing issues provided by the corporate captured media- who's sole purpose is to protect the elites/business and maximize profits, not provide news for the common interest.

That's my exasperation with both parties. Both parties are puppets of Capital. With business and media deregulation, and the overall gutting of the tax base and election funding laws, capital has captured both parties and works in the background, further enriching themselves, and people don't even notice that the U.S. middle class power and wealth continues to wane. And it will continue to wane in power and wealth til it evens out - at a much lower level - with other middle classes in the rest of the world. That's the design of deregulated, borderless capitalism. It's happening right under our noses, and the con job is masterful. It's a soft coup.
 qedeshim
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Posted: 8/19/2018 3:34:24 PM
Never forget that CAPITAL and savings was replaced by DEBT, so capitalism as it was once accepted no longer exists. So labour is increasingly relying on debt, thus is further pushed into a new form of freedom, the freedom of corporate rule over every aspect of an individual's life.....and what we are experiencing and discovering today about what is going on, is but a hint of a taste of what the corporate sector wishes to impose on humanity in the future. Welcome back to the master and slave world except in this new version…. the masters have no responsibility in any way towards the wage and debt slaves, except to get them more indebted.

So it will be a simple matter of changing the laws so that debt can be made intergenerational, thus creating form of cast system, in which you are born into an existing debt, and you can never escape the legal bonds that ensnare, and people are forever cast out of real freedom as nearly everyone cannot afford it.
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