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 DDSearle
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Is there such a thing; and can the dictionary-definition be relied-on or trusted?
It stems from intellect: and that is vague enough. Anyhow, certain persons are taken or held to be an intellectual. But are such personalities superior to the rest of us? I think not; and I fancy that Donald Trump is on my side. Those that I come across tend to be versed in a non-rigorous subject at an educational institution that's more slovenly than scholarly. Perhaps an intellectual is no more than someone that doesn't have to work for a living
No-one is superior. That goes for 'doctors', too
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/21/2018 6:03:54 AM
DD
"Is there such a thing; and can the dictionary-definition be relied-on or trusted?l


Is it not an intolerant illiberal liberal?.........


"It stems from intellect:"

Like large headed intolerant illiberal liberals perchance?.........


"Anyhow, certain persons are taken or held to be an intellectual."

On here?...............


"But are such personalities superior to the rest of us?"

Only in thought. They are baw bags like everyone else..............



"Those that I come across tend to be versed in a non-rigorous subject at an educational institution that's more slovenly than scholarly
No-one is superior. That goes for 'doctors', too"


No sure what that means. But. Those who are smug are usually those who put the mug into smug
 DDSearle
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Posted: 10/21/2018 6:23:02 AM
In societies that are as ordered as is the U K, it appears to be in the interests of the government or B B C to present the common people with the arguments of an 'intellectual' or 'think-tank'. Similar subtle control is made to be exerted by the media or political parties in other democracies. An example is when the bulk of a topic or comment in here is a suspect, waffling, seemingly-impressive quotation, the source of which we're expected to respect. But I am not impressed
 backcreek7
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Posted: 10/21/2018 9:52:02 AM
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* Has Yogi the Bear croaked yet ? If so, is Boo Boo still alive & well ? Oh well, one or the other must be still alive? If this is the case, either one can be defined as an intellectual ! After all, both ~ are " smarter then the average bears ".

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 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 10/21/2018 5:07:29 PM
I think an intellectual being would be one who realizes that they are "smart" enough to know they have a lot more to learn. Just my journey so far and.... My opinion too.
 DDSearle
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Posted: 10/22/2018 3:31:45 PM
Did the intelligentsia obtain only in the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics or its 'allies',
or did it manage to insinuate itself, with questionable success, in the US Democratic Party?
 Natey2
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Posted: 10/22/2018 3:40:30 PM
Sapiosexuals on POF like Intellectuals.
At least, they are supposed to.
What's An Intellectual
Posted: 10/23/2018 7:43:46 AM
it takes intellect, to recognize it in others. Just like one needs to understand what makes music good, to recognize good music. Or to have business sense to recognize a good investment opportunity.

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 LGL1975
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Posted: 10/23/2018 9:48:40 AM
The days when leading nations nurtured an intellectual class for their own glory and to promote a better understanding of politics are long gone. We live in an age of universal deceit.

The real thinking is done behind closed doors. In think tanks where policies are formulated to arrive at a certain objective.

The Chinese water torture of endless immigration will revitalize the Europeans lust for homicide and conquest and push them into the arms of right wing strongmen like Donald Trump.

To deal with the global population crisis in a rational and humane manner would give people too much to think about. Too many assumptions to question. They would wake up and realize that we could be doing a lot better job than the professional politicians and journos who have been lying to us for so long.
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 10/23/2018 10:37:06 AM

They would wake up and realize that we could be doing a lot better job than the professional politicians and journos who have been lying to us for so long.

Out of curiosity, who is the "they" you are referring to? And isn't it the collective "we" who are voting in the unscrupulous professional politicians and not questioning the unscrupulous journos (read conspiracy theorist types such as Faux News et al). Lazy (those who have some semblance of intelligence but don't bother to vote) and/or unintelligent, gullible voters (those who don't have the ability to understand what they are being fed by the likes of the in your face liars such as the Trumps of the world and the unscrupulous journos) are largely to blame and at the moment make up the "we" who have given you what you currently have to deal with and complain about in the world - in those countries where individuals are even allowed to vote and where there is no tampering.

By my reckoning, it doesn't make the "intellectuals" any more brilliant than the unintelligent, gullible individuals because they perpetuate the status quo. Centrists aren't given enough credit and are shut out and shouted down by the further right and further left who outnumber them.
 platitude545
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Posted: 10/23/2018 10:38:02 AM
In your case searle, isn't the better question what is a pseudo-intellectual?

And of course some people are superior in the intellect department, some far superior. The very superiors , like einstein, are what makes the world go round. The rest of us just live in it.
 Iredurbio2
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Posted: 10/23/2018 12:39:57 PM
Just be who you want to be.This is the
internet after all!
 Clytemnestra
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Posted: 10/23/2018 1:19:17 PM
A lot of folks who claim to be 'intellectual' are just gas bags IMO.
 DDSearle
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Posted: 10/23/2018 2:34:41 PM
I wonder at how 545 (aka His Bedtime) would classify himself
He and his cronies, for sure, have an inflated opinion of themselves. And he reminds me of some college students, who appeared on TV yesterday. Each that stood up to announce him- or herself did so with so much pomposity or sanctimony that their arrogance and sense of entitlement was evident. And that they are studying less-than-useful subjects, such as Politics, is ironic. Little do they know

Won't specs worn atop the head focus harmful solar radiation onto an already damaged brain ¿
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 10/23/2018 2:41:12 PM
It's like if someone brags about their humility. What former celebrity and then nowhere near humble candidate in recent years did that?

If someone even just hints at a claim to be an intellectual the odds are among likely far too many things they're a delusional narcissist.

Whatever our politics being an intellectual means being a well educated and truly informed critical thinker. Knowledge and the rational application of it, for whatever end, often makes one more capable and ultimately valuable than others depending on your priorities and objectives.

If you've vetted your sources and put forth a logical argument with plausible premises and concrete conclusions within viable syllogisms it deserves response or concession.

A + B = C
A+ C = B
_______

???

So, yes, I can see why the President would agree with you Searle. Intellectuals don't generally bankrupt a half dozen large corporations, apparently get caught for deceitfully breaking numerous tax laws for personal enrichment, be accused of sexual misconduct by almost 2 dozen women [the last I saw], and drop literally thousands of documented falsehoods [have to say that since to lie one needs to be informed of what they're actually doing]to the public in just over 22 months. I can see why the President wouldn't like intellectuals. No time for veracity's accountability. Like the President with all due respect and in my opinion Searle it would be far healthier for you to understand when you get substantiated rebuttals posting more personally combative and unabashed propagandized fecal material makes you a force of good in but your own delusional space.

Think of the Queen man.
 platitude545
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Posted: 10/23/2018 6:28:11 PM
The Republicans used to be filled with smart, wealthy men...but it has been hijacked by people who snear at ability, competence, talent and intelligence. And that is why we have trump.
 LGL1975
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Posted: 10/23/2018 8:16:44 PM

The Republicans used to be filled with smart, wealthy men...but it has been hijacked by people who snear at ability, competence, talent and intelligence. And that is why we have trump.


Both parties are owned by smart, wealthy men. Trump is their puppet.

The people who voted for Trump have contempt for authority because they have been lied to and treated with contempt. They don't care that Trump is a phony they enjoy seeing the left treated with contempt for a change.
 platitude545
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Posted: 10/23/2018 9:02:14 PM
You voted for Trump because he treats the left with contempt? Wow...that is one of the worst reasons I can think of to vote. For president...a God awful president, but he has contempt for the left so I'll support him...gotcha.
 flowersinthelake
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Posted: 10/29/2018 5:31:38 AM

I fancy that Donald Trump is on my side.


Daddy issues.
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 10/29/2018 9:52:56 AM
"The Republicans used to be filled with smart, wealthy men...but it has been hijacked by people who snear at ability, competence, talent and intelligence. And that is why we have trump."

>>>back in the days when America still had a frontier, it too voted some times for the people who disdained urban educated experts for down-home folk like Old Hickory Jackson. of course, he couldn't twit stupid things that would drive idiots to thinking mailing bombs was perfectly OK and acceptable...and hey, the prez might even pay the legal fees like he promised.

The interesting thing about intelligence is...it requires an intelligent person to recognize it in someone else. otherwise they just dismiss the intelligent person as "weird". just like one recognizes good music when one has a knowledge of what makes music good. and why our "Pop music" is popular yet dismissed as bubblegum for the masses. Or any other art form--paintings, movies, books, etc.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 10/29/2018 8:36:38 PM
Well Mr. OP, Searle..... I have noticed this.

You won't find any intellectual minds underneath any MAGA hats. Just look at any Trump rally footage and check for yourself. Just another observation though.
 Carnival_Fishing
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Posted: 10/30/2018 6:11:02 AM
Do you mean those MAGA ball caps that are made in China, that Trump supporters wear to rallies, where Trump is going on about make everything in the U.S. to provide jobs for Americans?
 Rumours
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Posted: 10/30/2018 9:48:46 AM
I wonder if HE pays the extra Tariff charges on his stuff made in China?

Probably not....after all he's one of those "stable genius" type....
 DDSearle
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Posted: 10/31/2018 3:26:57 PM
I think that defining or describing an intellectual is so hard that it may be better just to list some of those that are such. And they needn't be admirable. Anyway, my list would go something like this: Hillary Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, George Noory, Vladimir Putin, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Ben Shapiro and Donald Trump. This ought to show that some of those that are taken to be dense &c are quicker or more cerebral than they'll seem to be. It may be useful also to compile a list of those that are not an intellectual. And mine would run like this: Art Bell, Nelson Mandela, Teresa May, Barack Obama and the serving Pope
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:57:34 AM
ROTFLMFAO.

Please do show any one instance where Rush Limbaugh, Ms. Huckabee Sanders, or President Trump produced rebuttals that were actually viable syllogisms? You think a partisan political hack Harvard Law Grad is more of an intellectual than another Harvard Law Grad that became President of the United States, inherited the 2nd worst financial crisis in American History with an economy shedding more than a half million jobs a month, and by the end of his tenure added almost 15,000,000 jobs and produced the fastest dropping deficit in American History despite the most obstructionist Congress this Nation has ever known? LOL. Your list shows an undeniable and utterly unsubstantiated bias for self serving drivel that is laughable to put it quite kindly.

With all due respect Searle you have no idea how someone actually backs up what they say with factually based rationality. You might think about suing your educators for failing to teach you the basic precepts of logic and a basic understanding of simple vocabulary.

"Think! It's very Patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
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