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 kavapaw22
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I needed this:

What Is Brexit? A
Simple Guide to
Why It Matters and
What Happens Next
By BENJAMIN MUELLER UPDATED March 22, 2019


Peter Nicholls/Reuters
With the European Union agreeing to extend the deadline for Britain’s withdrawal from the bloc, the government remains in crisis, if with a bit more time to find a way forward. The old deadline of March 29 has now been pushed to at least April 12. Next week is certain to be tumultuous in Parliament.

Outside Parliament, companies are jumping ship. Fears of medicine shortages are rising. Prime Minister Theresa May has suffered two humiliating defeats over her withdrawal plan and the calls for her to resign are growing louder.

The government is now facing its biggest peacetime decision in decades. Almost every option remains on the table, from a daringly complete break with Europe to abandoning Brexit altogether.

What ultimately emerges could determine the shape of Britain and its place in the world for decades. Following is a basic guide to Brexit, what it is, how it developed into the mess it is today and how it could ultimately be resolved.

What is Brexit?
A portmanteau of the words “Britain” and “exit,” Brexit is shorthand for Britain’s split from the European Union, changing its relationship to the bloc on trade, security and migration.

Britain has been debating the pros and cons of membership in a European community of nations almost from the moment the idea was broached. (It held its first referendum on membership in 1975, less than three years after it joined.) In 2013, Prime Minister David Cameron promised a national referendum on European Union membership with the idea of settling the question once and for all. The options it would offer were Remain and Leave, and Mr. Cameron was convinced that Remain would win handily.

On June 23, 2016, as a refugee crisis made migration a subject of political rage across Europe and among accusations of lies and fraudulent tactics on the Leave side, Britons voted for a hazily defined Brexit by 52 percent to 48 percent.

Not only did that not settle the debate, but it saved for another day the tangled question of what should come next. Now, that day may finally be arriving.

How did Britain vote?
England and Wales voted for Brexit, overcoming support to remain in the European Union in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland. See a detailed map of the vote.

A detailed map of results of the Brexit vote
Why is it such a big deal?
Europe is Britain’s most important export market and its biggest source of foreign investment, and being in the bloc has helped London cement its position as a global financial center. Every day, it seems, a major business announces or threatens plans to leave Britain after it quits the European Union, including Airbus, which employs 14,000 people and supports more than 100,000 other jobs.

The government expects the country’s economy to grow anywhere from 4 to 9 percent less than it would inside the bloc over the next 15 years, depending on how it leaves.

Mrs. May has promised that Brexit will end free movement, the right of people from elsewhere in Europe to move to Britain and vice versa. That is a triumph for some working-class people who saw immigration as a threat to their jobs, but dispiriting for young Britons hoping to study or work abroad.

What’s holding it up?
Undoing 46 years of economic integration in one stroke was never going to be easy, and the Brexit process has been bedeviled by the same divisions that led to the referendum in the first place. Both Britain’s main parties, the governing Conservatives and the Labour opposition, are divided over what to do, leaving Parliament so factionalized that there may be no coherent plan most lawmakers would back.

Mrs. May spent 18 months negotiating a divorce deal with the European Union, shedding one cabinet minister after another in the process. But when she presented the plan to Parliament in January, it was rejected by a historic margin of 230 votes. When she tried again in March, she fared less badly, but the pact was still soundly defeated, 391 to 242.

We keep hearing about the
Irish border. What’s that about?
The single greatest hangup is the question of Britain’s only land border with the European Union: the invisible line between Ireland, another member state of the bloc, and Northern Ireland, which remains part of the United Kingdom.

Mrs. May and her Irish counterpart, Leo Varadkar, want to keep checkpoints from going up at the border; that’s a crucial part of the Good Friday Agreement, which brought respite from decades of violence in Northern Ireland.

But the method she agreed for guaranteeing that — called “the backstop” — has alienated just about everyone.

The backstop would keep the whole United Kingdom in a temporary trading relationship with Europe until a final deal avoiding a hard border could be agreed, something that hard-line Brexiteers fear would never happen. And it would bind Northern Ireland to even more European rules, to the dismay of those who reject any regulatory differences between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom. (They include the Democratic Unionist Party of Northern Ireland, whose 10 lawmakers give Mrs. May her parliamentary majority.)

Read more: What Is the Irish Backstop, and Why Is It Holding Up Brexit?

Why is Brexit in the news?
Just about the only clear decision Britain has made on Brexit since the 2016 referendum was to give formal notice to quit under Article 50 of the European Union’s Lisbon Treaty, a legal process setting it on a two-year path to departure. That happened on March 28, 2017, which meant that this coming March 29 was initially set as the formal divorce date. Now that has been moved to April 12 — or May 22 if Parliament votes for Mrs. May’s deal next week, to give time to pass the other legislation it would require.

But Mrs. May and her government have yet to find a way to overcome seemingly impossible parliamentary arithmetic and get lawmakers to back her agreement with European leaders. The fantasy that Brexit would be easy is crumbling, and lawmakers who made lofty promises to their constituents are having to face the hard reality of a vote.

So far, Parliament has decisively knocked down Mrs. May’s deal, but also decided against removing her from power entirely. Mrs. May has yet to find a way a problem-free way forward. She could tack to the center by committing to a permanent trading relationship with Europe — a customs union — that would do away with tariffs and quotas. That way, she would solve the Irish border dilemma and possibly win some votes from opposition Labour lawmakers.

But that would also risk splitting her own Conservative Party, which she wants to avoid at all costs. So she has instead tried to win over right-wing lawmakers in her own party by acceding to their demand for measures that would risk anger in Brussels and a hard border in Ireland. Toward that end, she won some concessions from the European Union on the Irish border, but it has not been nearly enough to change the minds of a meaningful number of people in her own party.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, who has worked hard not to commit his party to a distinct course on Brexit, has expressed a willingness to back a second referendum under certain circumstances.

What comes next?
Mrs. May is now basically cornered. She wanted to bring her withdrawal plan for a third vote in Parliament, only to be unexpectedly denied by the House of Commons speaker, John Bercow.

Mr. Bercow, citing ancient precedent, said it would violate parliamentary rules to present the same legislation for another vote in the same parliamentary session, unless it had been substantially changed.

Mrs. May now hopes the extra time approved by the European Union will allow that third vote to happen (even if few analysts believe it will pass).

The other question is whether Parliament will finally take over the process. Earlier this month, lawmakers narrowly voted down an amendment that would have given Parliament the power to hold votes on other possible scenarios to find if there was a majority for a softer Brexit.

No one knows how things will turn out. Hard-line Brexiteers, who have been seeking a no-deal exit, may still come around to Mrs. May’s deal if they feel it is their only chance to achieve Brexit.

They fear that if nothing is approved by new April deadline, the government could be forced to seek a much longer extension on the withdrawal date – which could give backers of a second referendum time to build support for what currently seems a long-shot option. That could end in Britons reversing their decision to leave the European Union altogether.

There are other possibilities, too, like a general election that could put Mrs. May on more solid footing in Parliament — or lead to a government led by Mr. Corbyn that might negotiate a soft Brexit deal that would keep Britain closer to the bloc.

One thing is certain: It is a mess.
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:18:46 AM
E.U. Approves Brexit Extension, but Chaotic Departure Still Looms

By Stephen Castle and Steven Erlanger
March 21, 2019
BRUSSELS — European Union leaders on Thursday agreed to extend the deadline for Britain’s looming exit from the bloc in order to give Prime Minister Theresa May and the British Parliament more time to get their act together.

Thursday’s agreement effectively averted the possibility of a disorderly and possibly chaotic departure by Britain on March 29. Yet that still remains a possibility just a few weeks later.

After hours of difficult and sometimes passionate talks, the leaders decided that Britain’s exit date will be pushed back to May 22 if next week Mrs. May can persuade lawmakers in Parliament to accept her plan for leaving the bloc, which they have already rejected overwhelmingly, not once but twice.

If she cannot persuade lawmakers to accept her plan, Mrs. May will get a shorter delay in exiting the European Union — until April 12. But Britain could stay in the bloc longer if it decides it needs more time for a more fundamental rethink of Brexit, as the process is known.

For a longer extension, though, it would have to take part in elections to the European Parliament in May — something Mrs. May said early Friday would be an absurdity, three years after Britons voted in a referendum to leave the bloc.

Speaking at a news conference after the extended deadlines were announced, Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, said that until April 12, “all options will remain open and the cliff-edge date will be delayed.”

But he added that if there was no agreement in Parliament, and Britain had not indicated by April 12 that it was willing to take part in the European elections, “the option of a long extension will automatically become impossible.”

The European leaders wanted to make sure that next week does not result in a crashing out of Britain, which neither side wants, and they wanted to settle the extension issue now, without having to come back again for another urgent meeting so close to March 29. The leaders also made it clear that it is for Britain to make serious choices, and soon, and that failure should not be laid at the door of Brussels.

Thursday’s decision on extending the deadline was made by the leaders of 27 nations of the European Union, without Mrs. May. But she was consulted throughout, Mr. Tusk said, and agreed to the decision.

On Wednesday, she had made a formal request for an extension until June 30, but when asked by other leaders on Thursday how she intended to proceed if she failed to get her deal through Parliament next week, she had no answer, European diplomats said.

Asked at the news conference about the atmosphere during discussions with Mrs. May, Mr. Tusk, who has often spoken of his wish that Britain remain in the European Union, diplomatically replied that it was “much better than I expected” and said he was pleased that the long discussions had found “a way to ease the process for both sides.’’

Frustration with Britain’s political dysfunction has been palpable in Brussels, which has seen its agenda hijacked by the constant twists and turns of a divided British government that seems incapable of deciding what it wants.

The other European leaders believe that Mrs. May has lost much of her authority, and they have largely lost faith in her ability to deliver on Brexit. The option of a longer extension is meant to give Parliament time to take control of the process, if it can, or even for the British to have a general election to break the current political impasse.

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The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, right, speaking to the news media as he arrives for a European Union meeting in Brussels.CreditFrank Augstein/Associated Press
Mrs. May’s plan would eventually give Britain power over immigration from Europe, but tie the country to the European Union’s customs and trade system until at least the end of 2020.

Speaking after the meeting, Mrs. May insisted that Britain would leave the European Union, but gave no clarity on what would happen if her deal is rejected next week.

“At this point we would either leave with no deal, or put forward an alternative plan,” she said, adding that this would mean participating in European elections, something she described as “wrong.”

But it is possible that Parliament could vote to keep closer ties to the bloc — a so-called soft Brexit — and Mrs. May did not completely exclude that option, by saying she would work with lawmakers if they reject her deal.

Mrs. May refused to exclude the possibility of leaving the bloc without a deal.

But the growing sense of alarm over a “no deal” Brexit is real. And even if the deadline has been pushed back from March 29, it has not been pushed back very far.

”Our country is facing a national emergency,” the main British business and trade union groupings, the Confederation of British Industry and the Trades Union Congress, said in a rare joint statement.

“Decisions of recent days have caused the risk of no deal to soar,” the statement said. “Firms and communities across the U.K. are not ready for this outcome. The shock to our economy would be felt by generations to come.”

In Brussels on Thursday, European officials also were host to talks with Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the opposition Labour Party, which wants closer ties to the European Union than do Mrs. May’s Conservatives and could play a critical role in the way things unfold in London.

If Mrs. May, against the odds, does succeed in Parliament next week, then matters move relatively smoothly, with a modest delay to Brexit to allow for enacting legislation to put her plan in place. But the prime minister’s angry denunciation of lawmakers in a national address Wednesday evening is unlikely to make it any easier to win over opposition legislators.

The Europeans do not want to be seen as responsible for the disaster of a no-deal exit. Not only would this hurt their economies, but it could leave a bitter legacy with a big and important neighbor while complicating the bloc’s finances.

Britain has the power to withdraw its decision to leave the bloc — as opposed to requesting an extension of negotiations — and could do that unilaterally. Yet it is almost impossible to imagine Mrs. May doing this, since she has vowed to deliver Brexit one way or another.

There will be continued pressure on Mrs. May, whose position is considered weak. She could face a leadership crisis, particularly if she tries to pursue a no-deal Brexit. But it would be hard to force her out, even if more pro-European cabinet ministers threaten to quit.

And resigning would be out of character for a leader who by nature and character has been willing to endure scorn, humiliation and divisions as she pursues what she considers to be Britain’s best version of Brexit.

Dalia Grybauskaite, the outspoken president of Lithuania, favors patience with Britain. “We will be supportive to the prime minister, in any way we can,” she said.

“We need to be prepared for everything, but of course we will do everything to find a solution,” Ms. Grybauskaite said.

Reporting contributed by Milan Schreuer.
 feirene
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:54:56 AM
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584?fbclid=IwAR2mdk5f0K6aYGbsQZggsvW87Sm_M_jTqx_3kv29hcxZUdbDaneFTqDa2LU

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
Sign this petition

3,271,300 signatures

Didn't bother reading it coz of ^
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:20:20 AM
^^^^^ yea but per above:



Britons voted for a hazily defined Brexit by 52 percent to 48 percent.


Is it possible to unring the bell at this point, or to "unvote", have a do-over. I would like a do-over on our Presidential election if we could.

And I'm pretty sure there is a strong contingent who believes in leaving. I think Vlad is part of that contingent.
 justinelle
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:36:53 PM
Brexit was the first time people could vote on a single issue for a very long time, and it proves one thing only...professional politicians cannot cope with a proper democracy. In the not too distant future, thanks to technology, people could vote on many issues on almost a daily basis if necessary, as opposed to once ever few years, where the parties promise one thing and when win, generally ignore the people who they are supposed to represent, as it was really just about self interest..

Brexit proves democracy is a sham, where a simplistic binary approach to policy, narrows and thus intensifies the conversation with the mob. This is important in a sham democracy, as noise obliterates what is actually going on. Simply put it is the economic evisceration of the population, through incremental austerity, pauperising life in general, as social structures are run down to be later dismantled.

In a world where Artificial Intelligence runs the show, who needs workers? Even today the financial Industry which actually produces no value added products, in fact no real products at all. They do not enhance life in general at all, but are parasites drinking its blood.

The hyped legalised fraud Industry makes billions in profit, proving you do not need people anymore to produce wealth. A.I. will reduce the work force in the financial Fraud Industry too. As people are no longer necessary to produce wealth, as too inefficient. In a generation or two the majority will be poor, with of course well paid police systems to keep the rabble under control, while they die off through natural causes that poverty induces.

So BREXIT was seen as an opportunity to mislead, create chaos with media complicity, while all the time Council Tax goes us, as do parking fines, and other fines, transport and services, while everyday necessities go up in price, energy, food, renting, and so on. A bit like a couple of people stopping people in the street, while one asks the questions the other is picking their pockets, a clever covert system, that no one seems to notice.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/23/2019 5:00:14 AM
Platy
"How did Britain vote?
England and Wales voted for Brexit, overcoming support to remain in the European Union in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland. See a detailed map of the vote."

As Scotland and Northern Ireland are not sovereign nations it didn't matter how we voted. But rather interestingly for me the margin that the leave vote won by is just over the amount of leave votes from Scotland and northern ireland.

Now we were warned that disaster would befall us. Our prime minister at the time claimed daesh would celebrate if we voted leave and also ww3 may start (and he actually DID state that).

Your president obama threatened us with trade misery if we voted leave. Clinton threatened us with much the same.

Global capitalists multi nationals threatened us with starvation and food rationing.

So we KNEW all the pit falls of a leave vote.

Yet we STILL voted leave.

A geezer called john harris who writes for the guardian (he's a remainer) went outside of london and talked to voters in small towns in the midlands and the north. (He done the same in america before trump won).

Voters knew that globalists would punish us. But one voter in stoke on trent summed up a lot of folks position. The voter stated he didn't care what happened as long as it hurt london.

So now we enter the great betrayal. Where we get shown our votes count for fvck all.

Ha ha ha
"A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
Sign this petition"

Would that be us? The people? The people who already voted? And it's not a "peoples vote". Its ANOTHER referendum.

We had a referendum. Remain lost. Why?

Maybe if the fvckers had bothered about "the people" first time round then remain would have won.

But they never. So as i said ha ha and indeed ha
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/23/2019 7:54:18 AM
Well Vlad, it doesn't seem to be so easy, vote to leave and then leave. So if you all actually pull it off, what do you gain. That's where I'm lost. I know you are big on leaving, so the question is how is leaving going to help you?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/23/2019 9:56:50 PM
Platy
"Well Vlad, it doesn't seem to be so easy, vote to leave and then leave. So if you all actually pull it off, what do you gain. That's where I'm lost. I know you are big on leaving, so the question is how is leaving going to help you?"

A simple analogy would be thus.

President the donald. Yous can vote him out after so many years can yous not?

We, nor my fellow European citizens cannot vote out unelected eu suits.

We cannot vote out the central bank, the imf or the judges at the European court.

The same judges who ruled that a business has the right to make a profit over a workers rule to strike.

I HAVE nothing to lose by leaving the eu.

The comfortably off UK citizens who love cheap workers, nanny's, coffee shop workers etc etc have lots to lose.

They will have to start paying decent rates of pay after brexit.

How unfair is that? (He asks mockingly).

Of course we are going to get a kicking from the eu.

Like Hotel California. We can check out any time you want.
But you can never leave.

The eu is run by Germany and for Germany.

With macrons french poodle barking at Germany's heels.

We, the working class delivered the elites a bloody nose.

Now we must be punished.

See if the eu was not so corrupt and globalist? It might have worked.

But it is corrupt.

Austerity lol. Aye for us. Not for the wealthy cvnts .

Ps
Cheers for starting the thread
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/24/2019 7:44:51 AM
Okay Vlad, so if I'm getting you, it's not so much that you believe you will personally economically benefit, but you want brexit anyway because it is a collective fuk off to the EU. I can accept that, I suppose the same attitude about Trump. In trumps case of course he is the epitome of what Trump supporters claim to despise. He is an elitist for the elite. Elitists have benefited tremendously under Trump. In brexits case, maybe you will give a black-eye to the elitists?
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/25/2019 3:01:15 PM
Liberalism’s Last Stand — Brexit
MARCH 25, 2019 / TOM LUONGO

When the Soviet Union fell in 1991 Marxism was dealt a near fatal blow. The crown jewel of communism was no more and descended into the worst kind of lawlessness.

Francis Fukiyama famously declared the End of History and the U.S. went on a ‘to the victors go the spoils’ looting of 1990’s Russia that boggles the imagination.

Marxists were left floundering. They were convinced the end of capitalism would occur and communism would win. Their identity was shattered on the shores of collectivism’s inherent inconsistencies.

It’s lack of basic understanding of why man acts and what he hopes to achieve when he acts that dooms all forms of collectivism to eventual failure.

The cries went up among the committed Marxists to then blame the U.S.S.R. that it wasn’t real communism. And their argument shifted to European Democratic Socialism as the superior implementation.

For the past twenty-eight years we’ve been inundated with this by leftists who refuse to give up on the dream. It’s still just warmed-over Marxism but whatever.

The End Of OPM
Now with the European Union facing a populist uprising across the continent they have reached the turning point with Brexit. And the conundrum is enormous.

Brexit is the single most important political event of this century. It’s one of the few things that is bigger than Trump. So, paying close attention to it is important.
That’s why it has so divided people. It represents an existential threat to the inevitability of modern liberalism. The European Union is the symbol of that inevitability.

Because once that inevitability is breached the European Union will begin to unravel before our eyes.

Donald Trump, for his part, understands this. He is pressing the EU on the issue of tariffs and NATO spending.

He wants to break down the artificial financial support the EU receives to fund its ‘superior democratic socialism’ that U.S. liberals of the Bernie Sanders persuasion believe in.

Famously, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

That’s why Brexit has to be destroyed. Because if it happens and Britain thrives as a result, it will deal a fatal blow to Marxism.

This is why they fear Brexit so much. The EU will fail.

We got a microcosm of that on Thursday when Theresa May left a No-Deal option on the table. The EU Council turned a one-hour rubber stamp session into a five hour grudge match. which resulted in the EU caving at the last moment, offering an unconditional two-week extension to Article 50.

And the EU caved. Finally.

Tax Cows Unite
That’s why the Brits have to be made into voiceless tax-cows milked until they are depleted. That’s what socialism is, a giant tax vacuum which destroys capital and innovation.

And that is where the EU is today. They have run out of the British people’s willingness to fund their dreams of creating a better version of the U.S.S.R.

So is Italy. So is Poland, the Giles Jaunes in France, Hungary, Austria, Spain, the Czech Republic, and even Germany itself.

In the U.S., Trump refuses to pay for Europe’s externalities like defense, education and medical care. He’s attacking the fundamental argument made for socialism today.

It’s a cornerstone of his re-election strategy.

The Marxism of places like Norway, Denmark and the post WWII Great Britain were heavily subsidized not just by the U.S. via NATO and the Marshall Plan but also the massive oil and gas deposits they had relative to the size of the populations they were supporting.

But with the North Sea and Groningen fields drying up so is the revenue. And it’s placing immense strains on the promises of these democratic socialist governments.

Trump understands this. It’s why he’s activated the U.S.’s energy production the way he has. And he’s saying quite clearly to Europe, “No more will we fund your wealth transfers by paying import tariffs to protect inefficient industries and subsidize Germany’s car industry.”

I’ve given Trump a lot of grief in the past two years over tariffs because the economics are clear. Tariffs hurt domestic consumers at the expense of politically-connected domestic producers.

But I have always understood his reasoning for attacking the EU the way he has. I agree with the sentiment just not the implementation.

The End of Empires
Back to Brexit. If the EU wins its fight with the U.K. over this treaty it will be a short-term reprieve for Marxism. They will win a six to nine month grace period.

So, as I said recently on Strategic Culture:

Merkel and Juncker are trying to hold onto their manufactured leverage over the Brits to, in turn, hold onto a Union that is in the process of failing. May and her cabinet are trying to hold onto a relationship with the EU while the UK itself is now in danger of failing.
The Scots are pushing for independence to stay in the EU. Wales is beginning to consider it. Northern Ireland doesn’t like being anyone’s Trojan Horse.
They have thoroughly underestimated the will of the people and it will cost them what little cache they have left with voters. Remember, confidence lost in the institutions of government begets a loss of confidence in the money and their ability to manage it.

Because the global economy is rolling over. The data is everywhere.

The biggest proof is the central banks capitulating. Normalcy will not return to sovereign debt pricing.

The U.S. Yield Curve is a nightmare of convexity that is screaming, “Recession! Dead Ahead!”


Everyone fiddles while their empires burn, including the central banks.

The U.S. yield curve is inverted between 3 months and 10 years. The markets are braced for a severe dollar liquidity crunch. To me it means they know Brexit is irrelevant at this point.

Brexit isn’t the problem. It is the symptom of the far larger one that you can’t steal your way to infinite prosperity.

And that’s why it is inevitable.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/25/2019 3:01:20 PM
Platy
"Okay Vlad, so if I'm getting you, it's not so much that you believe you will personally economically benefit, but you want brexit anyway because it is a collective fuk off to the EU. I can accept that, I suppose the same attitude about Trump. In trumps case of course he is the epitome of what Trump supporters claim to despise. He is an elitist for the elite. Elitists have benefited tremendously under Trump. In brexits case, maybe you will give a black-eye to the elitists?"


It's taken a while but you are now seeing what I'm talking about. My life will not change in anyway. The roads will still be shite, the nhs will still stumble along, schools will still send out thousands of bairns who are barely literate.

On the plus side though. The elitist rodents will now have to think about training OUR youngsters with apprenticeships.

They will need to train OUR youngsters in health care work.

In a way i suppose i have to tip my hat at the vile angela merkel. If she had not invited the world's poor to the eu then maybe citizens would not have been pissed off.

Remember the claim that mass migration of young men was going to be an economic boon to germany? Hows that working out then?..............


"Up to three quarters of Germany’s refugees will still be unemployed in five years’ time, according to a government minister, in a stark admission of the challenges the country faces in integrating its huge migrant population."

https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f


"Most migrants in Germany fail to get jobs
More than 400,000 asylum seekers were registered with employment agencies, but only 34,000 got work."

https://www.politico.eu/article/most-germany-migrants-fail-to-get-jobs-unemployment/


And dear old sweden eh? The nation that liberals get a hard on over. The fvckwits opened their borders. They were engulfed. They are now NOT wanting migrants.

And with a fantastic feeling of schadenfreude we now have this...................


"A report from the Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions (SKL) says that the costs of the country’s welfare program are too high.

According to the report, this is due to the country’s high population growth, fuelled by a massive influx of migrants with a high fertility rate. Annika Wallenskog, chief economist of SKL said to newspaper Dina Pengar:

“Beginning 2018 we expect that the need for welfare will grow considerably more rapidly than tax revenues”

Six parties out of eight parties in the Swedish parliament have agreed that the retirement age will be gradually raised from 61 now to 64 in 2026. The idea is to lower the total benefits of pensioners and keep them longer active in the labour market.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2017/12/swedish-workers-have-to-work-longer-to-pay-for-migrant-benefits/


Yep six out of the eight political parties eh? Yes the same entitled cvnts who flooded sweden with migrants without asking swedish citizens if THEY wanted that have shafted citizens again.

Watch out for the sweden democrats in the coming elections. The whole swedish political establishment and the swedish lying press try to silence the sweden democrats.

Pity the citizens don't listen to the entitled scum anymore...............


"The new coalition was stitched together with parties that previously failed to agree on key issues like taxation and regulation. What unified them was a determination to keep the nationalist party, the Sweden Democrats, from the levers of power.*

It remains to be seen whether Lofven will succeed. The Sweden Democrats, who won almost one-fifth of the popular vote in the inconclusive Sept. 9 election, say parliament’s actions border on undemocratic. And polls show that Swedes now have less faith in the politicians representing them.

Jimmie Akesson, who leads the anti-immigration and euroskeptic Sweden Democrats, says the Social Democratic Party “hasn’t understood anything. They are returning to a policy that will increase immigration even more, the issue that was absolutely the most important during the previous term.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/sweden-ends-historic-political-impasse-as-government-is-formed


* says it all eh? The only policy the fvckers have is to stop a DEMOCRATICALLY elected by citizens of sweden political party from getting the chance to represent THEIR voters.

Can you now see what i have been banging on about?
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 3/25/2019 3:12:02 PM
Vlad....

You would think Americans would understand the concept of "No taxation without representation" ;) ;)
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 3/25/2019 3:51:35 PM
Hey Dracula!

Your president obama threatened us with trade misery if we voted leave. Clinton threatened us with much the same.

I never understood that. Economically I would think US would profit from UK exit but I think it was because they were afraid of other countries leaving and that means more countries that can become more aligned politically with Russia and China.

Most foreign US politics has a basis in the geopolitics of control( in comics called world domination). Having a similar cultured ally like UK in EU probably gave us more power because a UK vote was often a US vote in disguise.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/25/2019 6:58:57 PM
KJ. Happenin missus?


"Joe

Hey Dracula!

Your president obama threatened us with trade misery if we voted leave. Clinton threatened us with much the same.

I never understood that. Economically I would think US would profit from UK exit but I think it was because they were afraid of other countries leaving and that means more countries that can become more aligned politically with Russia and China.

Most foreign US politics has a basis in the geopolitics of control( in comics called world domination). Having a similar cultured ally like UK in EU probably gave us more power because a UK vote was often a US vote in disguise."


And therein lies a tale. St obama was bursting a gut to get the ttip deal done and dusted where loads of already wealthy greed is good globalists could line their pockets.

The unelected eu gulag apparatchiks though never ever thought the citizens might have thought ttip was crap.

So it got binned. (For now). St obama never gave a toss about us. The citizen workers.

President the donald though told us that whatever we voted in the referendum that he would recognise it.

Now I've wrote about this quite a bit. The neo liberal nightmare is nearly over. Citizens all over the gulag will vote in the eu elections (hopefully not us though as we will be away).

Most of the populist nationalist political parties do not have a great problem with president the donald.

They got/get a good laugh at the liberal meltdown.

But IF populist parties do well in the gulag elections then moscow is not seen as an enemy. They would do business with president the donald IF he wins again.

But don't put too much hope in them dealing with a neo liberal globalist wall street democrat IF one becomes president.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 5:08:19 AM
I hope the few posters left (on the uk forum) who embraced brexit are standing firm (oooer missus) and watching the entitled political elite running about like headless chickens?

Did you see the march in london at the weekend? Apparently 9 million were there protesting because they think brexit will upset their cozy wee lives.

I cannot recall the 12 million who were protesting having a mass turnout when OUR lives were sacrificed to neo liberal globalism.

Some daft bint in the grauniad is DEMANDING another referendum. The readers comments though are well boss.............



"With millions on the streets or signed up, remainers cannot be ignored
Zoe Williams

(Some of the readers comments)

"Absolute nonsense in every sentence. Every picture of the march I've seen suggests that it was exactly the metropolitan elite, and its outliers, who were marching.

She may not have noticed, from the comfort of the Guardian offices. but "low wages; food banks; failing public services; creeping privatisation; the housing crisis" are all still there, and getting worse.

Labour has to represent the victims of those policies as well as the left middle-class.

So it has to respect the views of Morecambe, and Walsall and Mansfield and Cleveland, which all voted Leave, if it's to win power and start changing things."


"If they didn’t want to be ignored they probably should have voted. A years long tantrum because you lose just makes you childish."


"So 2 - 300k londoners went for a walk on a sunny saturday ( when no football was on) and remainers click a 10 sec petition several times ( but couldnt be ar**ed to get up and vote) and you want to totally ignore 17.4 million who lawfully voted in a regulated referendum?"


"Think the real tragedy is there were no huge marches against poverty and horrendous Welfare cuts.

It’s only when the Middle Class feel threatened that things happen.

The deprived areas voted Leave and that hasn’t changed one iota"


"They're trying to say 5 million signatures by people sat on their sofas shouldn't be ignored, why is it ok to ignore 17 million votes from people bothered to go and make their choice."


"With a Remainer PM, Remainer Chancellor, Remainer Home Secretary, Remainer Foreign Secretary, and Remainer majorities in both the Tories and Labour, as well as big business, the BBC, and every luvvie actor and musician in the country I hardly think Remainers are ignored.

The people being ignored are the ones who voted Leave- whose needs have been ignored for decades, and continue to be through this betrayal of democracy."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/25/remainers-brexit-march-revoke-petition-metropolitan-elite


And further to the entitled democracy haters the 26 million they said protested is gloriously being destroyed and shown to be a lie.............


"Claim
An estimated 1 million people marched for a People’s Vote on Saturday 23rd March.

Conclusion
It’s impossible to say with precision how many people attended the march. However experts in crowd estimation put the number at between 312,000 and 400,000."

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=main_story
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Posted: 3/27/2019 9:52:38 AM
hey Vlad, (platy here), I rarely go to the UK forum, so I am wondering what Billy's position is on Brexit. From an economic point of view, he has pretty much been spot on regarding the economic problems that are barreling down the track towards the UK and then the US. These issues are going to be very significant. If Brexit goes through, isn't that going to make it much tougher for your country to deal with the deep recession? Or are you better off on your own?

I am starting to get interested in Brexit. You seem to know that Brexit will cause you more economic pain but your attitude is so long as it hurts the elites, its worth it. Do all of those who support Brexit feel the same way, or do they believe they will be better off?

The US is completely different. The 40% or so cultists over here who strongly support Trump believe they are better off economically, not because they are of course, but Trump keeps telling they are and keeps telling them how much he has done for the economy (he is also responsible for the Sun rising in the morning), and they believe him. Its quite amazing how easily manipulated a significant portion of our population, and I honestly don't know if it is because they just don't care about the harm he is causing... along the lines of your attitude, which is burn the place down.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/27/2019 1:39:11 PM
Platy

My wee pal sent me this. It is only a few minutes long. You will get the gist of what we were told would happen to us and who 'warned' us. (Yep st obama is included)

17 MILLION FVCK OFFS
https://youtu.be/jiUFPjulTW8


"hey Vlad, (platy here), I rarely go to the UK forum, so I am wondering what Billy's position is on Brexit. From an economic point of view, he has pretty much been spot on regarding the economic problems that are barreling down the track towards the UK and then the US. These issues are going to be very significant. If Brexit goes through, isn't that going to make it much tougher for your country to deal with the deep recession? Or are you better off on your own?"


Billy is indeed a brexiteer. As i know absolutely nowt about economics i try to understand what he says. Everything i read about financial shenanigans and with what billy says about it then a financial crash is due.

The eu economy, which is basically germany is near collapse. Theresa May was always for remaining. She has been a complete disaster. The worst prime minister in my lifetime................


"I am starting to get interested in Brexit."


As i have consistently said brexit WILL affect you lot over the pond...............


"You seem to know that Brexit will cause you more economic pain but your attitude is so long as it hurts the elites, its worth it."


Yes. It is a revolution in it's own way. We KNEW we would get punished by the unelected brussels elites. Most of the enslaved eu nations have a lot to lose economically as well...............


"Do all of those who support Brexit feel the same way, or do they believe they will be better off?"

This geezer from the guardian hits the nail on the head. It is NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.............


"Remember that brief moment after the referendum, when commentators started acknowledging the “left behind”, admitting that they’d been ignored for far too long?

The swaths of the country beyond the M25 where industries had been lost, where communities had been torn apart, and where the idea of prosperity was a long-forgotten dream.

What happened? Before long the Westminster village reverted to type, and began obsessing about political plots, obscure article wording, and parliamentary procedures.

All the talk switched to meaningful votes – yet in vast stretches of the UK, what they want is meaningful lives."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jan/12/brexit-remainer-leave-voters-labour-northern-people


"along the lines of your attitude, which is burn the place down."

Yep. Lets burn the whole fvckin place down and start again.
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