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 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Additions:

Iraq was the only quasi-secular nation in a region we were told we were going to instill Democracy in.

That the Iraqi leadership supported HAMAS but loathd AL Qaeda.

That dozens of dictators/despots around the world were just as big of a genociadal maniac as Sadam was.

That the Wahabi Clerics in Saudi Arabia funded by the House of Saud were the most virulent anti American entity in the Middle East. That 15 of 19 September 11th Hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. That theocratic Saudi Arabia was arguably far more brutal to it's people than the Iraqi Leadership.

That UN Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq as they were kicked out of North Korea.

I'm ranting, my apologies. Up for the war words to come my friends. Great post Takoma.
 darjeeling
Joined: 3/11/2005
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Things We Didn't Know Before The Iraq War
Posted: 11/22/2005 5:52:59 PM
Heres a BIG ONE that we never knew before the war.

It sparked the whole popular phenom of 'French Bashing' and 'Freedom Fries'

All based on Gerge Bush's LIE about the French position relative to disarming Saddam, the way Bush told it the French position was that it would veto ANY resolution, under any circumstances, that would invoke using military force against Iraq.

That was a LIE.

The French actually said the opposite, in that, if or when the inspection process reached an impasse, and could go no further to account for Iraq's WMD, that they would vote for and support using military force as the final resort.


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 toonsmith
Joined: 1/19/2005
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Things We Didn't Know Before The Iraq War
Posted: 11/23/2005 4:07:19 AM
Oh, silly things like....where the heck is Iraq on a map?

I also didn't know they intentionally spoke like they had hairballs in their throat?

Politically incorrect Toon, perpetually stuck between Iraq and a hard place.

 darjeeling
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Things We Didn't Know Before The Iraq War
Posted: 11/23/2005 8:41:40 AM

I have always bashed the French.


Common Dallas,

I don't mean to 'insult' you by saying this, but you have sort of a cosmopolitan look about you.

Stick a berret on you, and I could see you in a Parisian cafe with bea-u-ti-ful women around you, laughing, as you sneered at the provincial American tourists.



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 Pearnbran
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Things We Didn't Know Before The Iraq War
Posted: 11/23/2005 8:55:56 AM
What you do not know.

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.
Consider these shocking facts:
• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons
• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas
• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin
This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.

Link http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1520691/posts
 Pearnbran
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Why Are Americans Pissed off at the French
Posted: 11/23/2005 9:04:00 AM
We feel betrayed, that is why.

During the First World War America paid a horrible toll, more than a quarter million Americans died to win your county back for you
We also loaned your country (France), Millions of dollars
Did France pay their war dept? For the first would war. I’m not sure.

My grand father who fought in that war told me that the French bought the second war on themselves.
Had they (the French) not been so harsh on the Germans (.By taking so much valuable land from them.)

It was from that harsh economic strife that sprung the twisted evil that was Hitler.(many French loved Hitler)

Then the same thing happened during World War 2.

America sent there sons to save Frances ass and we lost a lot of young men.
Have any of you American bashing French ever been to the D Day memorial in Normandy?
I’ve been there, all those crosses .....it’s a awesome site.

Yesterday, I saw some French troll put down the war death total from our war on terror
I wonder why Americans did not protest the loss of American life during the First or Second World War?

Yet, you French have to throw the death toll in our face when we help someone else. (Iraq, Afghanistan)


What about the war dept from that war?, were we ever paid back? I'm not sure about this .

Now comes the betrayal part

You would have thought that after all that.. France might have a dept of honor to the United States.
However, when we asked them ( the French)to allow our bombers to fly over France to attack Libya. (This was in the 1980’s) they said no!
In addition, ever since anytime when we asked the France for anything there reply is. NO (they sent a token force during the first gulf war}(and they ****ed the whole time)

In the United States, we keep our friends close and our enemy’s closer,
That is why we do not like you France.
 Double Cabin
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Why Are Americans Pissed off at the French
Posted: 11/23/2005 12:37:19 PM
Pearnbran, with all due respect, why doesn't the administration use the information in this book to combat increasingly more negative public opinion? Forgive my suspicion but surely you must agree that is quite odd? Could it be, God forbid, that this information is inconsequential if not unsubstantiated? 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons or 1,500 gallons of materials that can be used in the formulation of chemical weapons? As far as I know the best "evidence" they found was one 12 pound artillery shell that could have been used for chemical delivery. I've been wrong before. I will check your source, and if it has substance I will write a buddy at the Washington Post for you.

Edit: There is no documentation for these claims provided on the website/link you provided us.
 Pearnbran
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Why Are Americans Pissed off at the French
Posted: 11/23/2005 1:46:54 PM
this is a good link sorry that you had to look for it

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101&o=DIB004
 gsxec
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Things We Didn't Know Before The Iraq War
Posted: 11/23/2005 3:58:11 PM
Since the reason of the invasion was based on WMD evidence, who decided it was our right to police a nation on who can/cant have WMD's since we carry the largest a***nal of WMD's one can only imagine of.

Despite the most advanced military, doesnt it scare you that we can not entirley control a country (Third World) we invaded?

Maybe it would be a good idea to ease off the strategic bases placed all over the globe, surrounding precious material and focus our money and energy on the welfare of the US citizens, unemployment, healthcare benefits, education, immigration control, research and deveolpment etc.

And what exactly makes us so special? Becuase were free and have a democracy right? Lets see we Have Bush Sr, Bush Jr who just happend to be elected for the second time by half of our ignorant population (who just happend to like bush for his "firm" ways) and who was also elected agian, after a very shady intial election recount in Mr. Fat Bush Jr's State. So Its starting to sound like a bit of a Monarchy to me. Oh, and then we have people like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Condoleeza Rice in Power? What is our country coming to?




 Pearnbran
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What about the UN Resolutions
Posted: 11/23/2005 5:03:57 PM
Non-compliance with "UN resolutions" (which were the only reasons for the end of the gulf war)--Iraq was in violation of 17 of them, noob, and this was after 12 years, and even one of them would be reason enough to resume hostilities..not including firing at our planes.

And we were tired on the corrupt UN not enforcing their own rules?
Can you say "paid off" via Oil for Food program? And were talking BILLIONS of dollars.

Here is the list..we didn't need a declaration of war. The rest are the resolutions.

Fact Sheet
Saddam Hussein's Defiance of UNSCRs
Over the past 12 years, Iraq has violated more than seventeen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) and remains in material breach of disarmament obligations. The Iraqi regime has also sought to circumvent economic sanctions. The UNSCRs required that Iraq declare and divest itself, under international supervision, of weapons of mass destruction and related programs, delivery systems and ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; not commit acts of international terrorism, or allow others who commit such acts to operate in Iraqi territory; account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and end repression of the Iraqi people.
Saddam Hussein is in violation of the following United Nations Security Council Resolutions:
UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002
Found that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its disarmament obligations.
Gave Iraq a final opportunity to comply.
Demanded that Iraq submit a currently accurate, full and complete declaration of its weapons of mass destruction and related programs within 30 days.
Demanded that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally and actively with the UN inspections.
Decided that false statements or omissions in Iraq's declarations and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with and cooperate fully in the implementation of this resolution would constitute further material breach.
Recalls that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations.
UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999
Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).
Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities. Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.
Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.
UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998
"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.
Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998
"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."
UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997
"Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.
Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997
"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997
"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996
"Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996
Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994
"Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.
Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.
Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.
UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991
Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991
"Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.
"Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.
Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.
Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.
Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.
Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for UN and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991
"Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."
Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.
Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.
UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991
Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."
Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.
Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."
Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.
Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.
Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.
Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.
Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.
Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991
Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.
Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.
UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990
Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."
Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."
(end fact sheet)
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 Tinkle
Joined: 11/2/2005
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Posted: 11/27/2005 8:42:20 AM
""""Colin Powell's warnings about mobile weapons labs were not based on solid information.""""

I knew this before war:)
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