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 Tomfl51
Joined: 2/20/2006
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From drudge:


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Poll: Republicans Are Happier Than Democrats
Wed Mar 15 2006 1036 ET

The Pew Research Center recently updated a question about happiness that the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago has been asking since 1972.

In every asking of the question, ROLL CALL reports, Republicans have been happier than Democrats.

Republicans tend to be better off than Democrats, and that is one explanation for the happiness gap. But when the researchers controlled for household income, Republicans at all income levels were happier than Democrats at those same income levels.

As for ideology, conservative Republicans were happier than conservative Democrats, and moderate to liberal Republicans were happier than comparable Democrats.

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 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 3/15/2006 9:14:31 AM
You know what they say: ignorance is bliss.
 raverdad
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Posted: 3/15/2006 9:40:41 AM
I think it has more to do with vision. Republicans do things we don't jusr cry and ask why me. We have a cause get Roe v wade repealed, fix social security, lower taxes etc. The democrats don't have a vision for the future. They live in a crisis mindset and rush from crisis to criss rela or imagined and have conditioend htemselves into a stat eof perpetual victimhood. This is why they kepe losing elections. Amricans want hope and vision when they go to the polls. Chicken little and the sky is falling dosn't work anymore.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 3/15/2006 10:05:25 AM
To Raverdad: Which party is running around saying "We're at war?" Which party equates free speech with sedition? Which party uses terrorism alerts that are colour coded? Notice that after the election there hasn't been a single terror alert? Ya think that they might have had something to do reminding the electorate that there are bad guys out there? Republicans are always running around yelling "The sky is falling, the sky is falling," then using the crisis to kick public money to big business and the rich. The first Homeland Security Act included litigation protection for pharmacetical companies. That had nothing to do with security, but their donors wanted it. It was Reagan that made drug enforcement a "War on Drugs." That's just rhetoric to yell louder. Clinton actually put more cops on the streets. Bush Jr. has cut cops. That's really going to make the country more secure. Republicans have the rhetoric, if only they could find some semblance of competence.
 Tomfl51
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Posted: 3/15/2006 11:56:28 AM
In general, all I hear Democrat leaders doing is complaining and saying that they could do things better without offering tangible alternatives.

This is best characterized by Sen Kerry's "I have a plan" approach. He never told us what 'the plan' was; we were just supposed to believe him that President Bush is doing EVERYTHING wrong (Sen Kerry said this about Iraq - I believe the quote was "I'm not saying he's doing SOMETHING wrong in Iraq; I'm saying he's doing EVERYTHING wrong") and that he had a 'better' plan. However, we will never know what this 'plan' was because he never told us what it was.

I haven't heard ANY optimism from the Democrat leadership. President Bush makes speaches talking about the greatness of this country and how our troops have liberated 50 million oppressed people. Ted Kennedy says "The torture chambers are open under new management" when referring to Abu Graib prison.

Liberals focus on self esteem and have kids sing songs about how great they are and don't let them keep score at t-ball games so that there are no 'losers'. Conservatives teach children that true self esteem comes only AFTER actual work, effort, and real ACHIEVEMENT. When they WIN a trophy it means that they EARNED it. Liberals give EVERY participant a trophy that ends up meaning nothing since it is not reflective of any real achievement.
 Tomfl51
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Posted: 3/15/2006 12:16:13 PM
Blue.....focus on my last paragraph. Maybe that'll help. Here's another reason we're happier.

quote:
Originally stated in 2000:
I hate to say it but ask this question come November. I think Republicans will be pretty unhappy at the current rate.



quote:
...then again in 2002:
I hate to say it but ask this question come November. I think Republicans will be pretty unhappy at the current rate.




quote:
...then again in 2004:
I hate to say it but ask this question come November. I think Republicans will be pretty unhappy at the current rate.



quote:
Soon to be stated again in 2008:
I hate to say it but ask this question come November. I think Republicans will be pretty unhappy at the current rate.



quote:
...and 2012:
I hate to say it but ask this question come November. I think Republicans will be pretty unhappy at the current rate.


 Tomfl51
Joined: 2/20/2006
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Posted: 3/15/2006 12:26:03 PM

"You know what they say: ignorance is bliss."

Need I say more



No I think you fully covered it

 wiserd
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Posted: 3/15/2006 1:12:05 PM
I'm a Democrat though not a 'big government' democrat, and I'm happy enough in my life, though not with the party. Most of the party is going to crap.

The Republican party is also going to hell, but they've been better at selling themselves. The 'small government' Republicans have jacked up the debt enormously. Their 'deregulation,' which is great in principle, is never elaborated on. Like Bob Dole's attempt to increase the amount of allowable fecal matter in beef. The republican party has taken insane amounts of 'campaign contributions' for the past two decades, essentially forcing opposing parties into a race to the bottom. Who can sell out fastest? And now Democrats have the so-called 'blue dogs' designed for that purpose.

Here's a platform that I, as a moderate Democrat, would like to see (I don't care if a democrat runs with it or McCain or maybe even a republican);

Clean food; the labeling laws of the Clinton era were a good thing. Lets take it a step further and do mandatory testing of downer cows for BSE. The stuff is likely rampant in the US. Every other nation tests downer cattle in addition to other forms of testing. There've been spongiform diseases in wild ungulates, so the disease is obviously present on the continent. Make testing mandatory regardless of what it does to the beef industry.

Don't let EPA or FDA funds be slashed. Clean air. Clean water. Clean food.

Alternative energy; Arizona has a law that says that the bylaws for a residential area can't overrule a resident's ability to install solar heating. I'd like to see this law enacted in other states, and with other forms of alternative energy. Don't make natural power generation subject to any zoning laws. That's one kind of 'deregulation' I'd like to see.

Fight fight fight for PBS. The NEA has done a fantastic job with programs like Sesame Street. Where else do you get that same return on investment? The Republican party wants to kill the NEA. It's educational portion is worth defending to the death.

Simplified tax code. The more exceptions allowed, the more that the folks with the wealthy accountants can get out of paying taxes and the more money wasted on said accountants.

Mandate that a person can switch their phone number if they change cell phones. Has this happened yet? That'd be real competition.

Exemptions to FDA approval similar to Canada. If you're dying, you should have more freedoms in the drugs you use. Fast track drug approval.

Currently, we use Europe as a testing ground. The # of people who die because of this delay outstrips those who are saved from unsafe drugs. And why should Americans be forced to fund drug discovery. If the Canadians can get drugs cheaper, Americans should be able to buy drugs from Canada. If a company doesn't want to sell drugs in Canada because of that, that's their choice.

Legalize Marijuana. I don't use the stuff, but the amount of money spent policing those who do is insane, and goes to fund gangs which also need to be policed and cause problems.

Fund bacteriophage therapy and let people use it if they choose. Bacteriophage therapy is an excellent alternative to antibiotics for topical and gastro-intestinal infections and can defeat MRSA (methicilian resistant Staph Aureus.)

Offer prize funds, similar to the X-prize, for the first person who can make a good energy storage device along certain parameters. Such a device would make wind power a more viable alternative energy source since it would then provide a regular supply of energy rather than periodic bursts. It would also allow fewer power plants to provide more power since energy could be produced at offpeak hours and sold at peak hours. Of course, the x-prize type of funding is unlikely to be popular because it cant be given out as port to a constituency.

While I'm not a big fan of socialized medicine, we essentially have it now de facto. If a bum goes into an emergency room he can't be refused treatment, even if he won't pay. If the government can cover basic well maintenance like this, people could still look to traditional insurance for the more expensive stuff.

Better public transportation. If you're worried this is 'socialism' bear in mind we fund every other kind of transport, from roads to air travel, through various subsidies.

I'd even like to see the Dems jump on the whole school voucher bandwagon, provided that special education programs don't get short shrift in the deal. Voucher programs are likely to end up as expensive.

Just some ideas.
 wiserd
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Posted: 3/15/2006 2:18:26 PM

This thread is going WAY off topic...


You sound unhappy.
 toonsmith
Joined: 1/19/2005
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Posted: 3/15/2006 7:26:44 PM
Republicians are happier because they have a cooler animal (elephant) to represent them.

Democrats, what do they have ....a donkey? who the hell came up with THAT one? Oh yeah, I really want to go to a rally with that on display! LOL


Toon
 wiserd
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Posted: 3/15/2006 10:27:18 PM

I am neither a democrat nor a republican...I am Canadian...


Candians are Democrats by proxy. Everyone knows this.
 atrkyhntr™
Joined: 12/20/2005
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Posted: 3/16/2006 3:29:51 AM

they don't have the average American in mind

..give that man a cigar
 canadianbakeun
Joined: 1/9/2006
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Posted: 3/16/2006 4:32:56 AM
sound familiar?....haha...that was a funny post and so accurate....so from what you're saying ^^^^^ world war II would've came out the same way without the Americans?....have another beer dude.....and yea.....bad news nobody would've kicked our ass if we didn't have any friends in the war it just would've taken longer and maybe a few more than two atom bombs.....you are right about one thing....the U.S. didn't want anything to do with the war until....we needed to bail out some other countries and let the japanese know what happens when you screw with us.....so there ya go....


....as far as the post goes that republicans are happier than democrats.....no sh*t sherlock....it took drudge and his "report" for you to figure that out?....sh*t next time just call me....late.
 raverdad
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Posted: 3/16/2006 8:53:20 AM

Re without America we would be speaking german in Canada. I hate to burst your bubble but WW11 was won by many countries and Canada played a huge roll...my god watching movies you would think that the US won the entire thing by themselves...Canada was fighting right from the start and played a major role on D-Day ect. If you look atthe numbers...America didn't give up diddly compared to other countries...without Russia and a the fact that they wewre being led by an insane methhead...Germany would have kicked your ass. Please also keep in mind that the US weanted nothing to do with the war and it took the government forcing the japanes to take out the pacific fleet to get the people with the program...(Sound familiar muuuuuuhahahahahahahahahaha


Without a doubt, without American involvment in World War 2 the allies would have lost. While England had beaten back the blitz she was loosing merchant ships faster than she could build them and her tank and gun production was not enough her needs in the desert. eventually she would ahve been forced ot sue for peace or face starvation and the loss of her empire.

Russia was even worse off. When gemrnay invaded russia began moving her industry est across the Urals. This meant for almsot 2 years she had virtually zero production advantag eover the Germans. Even afte rher factories wer ebrought on line they were devouted almsot entirely to big ticket items. tanks, machine guns the tools of war.Even with that massive production her losses were so heavy she still needed amssive allies support in tanks and planes. She had virtually zero logistical production. Everything the fighting man needed to stay in he fight had to be imported. Food medicine, locomotives, trucks etc. Stalin even credited Studabaker trucks and SPAM as beign as critical to the Red Army as the IL-2 Sturmovik attack plane and T-34.

other nations contributed men did all they could but without America they would have Lost. I think a lot of people like to look at D-Day and say yay! for our side. That was in 1944. A better perspective to how important America was ot the war effort can be found in the period from 1941-43. Rommel wasn't beaten by British skill in the desert he was swarme dunder by American made tanks and planes. Singapore, Hong Kong, Hermes, Repulse, Prince of Wales, the bombing raids over Austrailia show jsut how weak the mighty British Empire was in the Pacific. In the atlantic Donitz's Wolf Packs called the period the happy time beucase they were sinking British ships at a rate fast enough to force Britian out of the war.

What changed those dark days into an eventual victory was material. Americna made material. 55,000 sherman tanks, 200,000 aircraft, 100 aircraft carries, milions of trucks and jeeps. Hundreds of liberty ships. Without these the Allie swoudl have lost.

Even with all that support the allies still would ahve lsot without American blood. The Commonwealth forces outnumbered the Americnas on D-day but the Americnas outnumbered everyone else in the drive across Europe. Montgomery's narrow front plan faield miserably withthe destruction of the 1st British Airborne at Arnheim. After that the Allies switche dot a broad front strategy that required massive American man power. It was also the American 8thand 9th Airforces who beat the Luftwaffe. These brave crews suffere dmore losses than anyother group in the war excpet kamikaze pilots and U-boat crews after 1943.

Ohh and one final thing. Afte thte begining of Lend Lease (beofre America entere dhte war) the masive influx of supplies and the post war reconstruction of Europe was bought and paid for by America and no payment was ever asked for or recieved. So next time you want to make light of America's involvment in WW2 you might want to reconsider.
 Tomfl51
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Posted: 3/16/2006 9:48:01 AM

What changed those dark days into an eventual victory was material. Americna made material. 55,000 sherman tanks, 200,000 aircraft, 100 aircraft carries, milions of trucks and jeeps. Hundreds of liberty ships. Without these the Allie swoudl have lost.


This is the key point in all of this. *American material aid.* Both to Russia and Britain. Monday morning quarterbacking is always a hit and miss proposition but its been said that had part of German Army Group Center NOT been diverted south in July of '41 things would have turned out differently in Russia. I also had an uncle who was a volunteer on one of those endless supply ships going to Russia, more than half of which were sunk.
 raverdad
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Posted: 3/16/2006 12:59:32 PM
Gonna go off topic but I cannot resist.


This is the key point in all of this. *American material aid.* Both to Russia and Britain. Monday morning quarterbacking is always a hit and miss proposition but its been said that had part of German Army Group Center NOT been diverted south in July of '41 things would have turned out differently in Russia. I also had an uncle who was a volunteer on one of those endless supply ships going to Russia, more than half of which were sunk.


If Hitler had listened to his Genrals and gone for Moscow isnstead of diverting the Panzers firs tot Leningrad and then south to the Kiev Pocket. The Gemrnas most liely woudl have taken Moscow. Would this have knocked Russia out of the war? Doubtful, by then Stalin had recovered his nerve. he knew he had dozens of fresh well trained and superbly led Siberian divisions avaialbe (after Sorge confirmed that the USA not USSR was Japan's target). And he knew that msot of the USSR's industry was already out of reach of the Germans. The Russians woudl ahve been hamstrung by the loss of rail lines but not crippled.

Even with Moscow the Gemrans faced the same problems they had beofre. To few men, tanks, and planes to do the job. Large parts of the Luftwaffe were tied up in France, Italy, Tunisia and Norway. The Afrika core was draining supplies and attention, Malta was not out of the fight and Germany still had not switched to a war time economy.

Even with Moscow the Gemrans still had three dates with destiny that would bleed them white. Lenningrad, the Crimea, and Stalingrad. Moscow also did not provide the gemrans withthe Donitz industrial basin or the Ukraines farmland. Hitler may well ahve been right in diverting his troops to gain control of these critical areas. Then theres the Russian winter. The german army had enough problems tryign to keep it's soilders alive that winter . Moving them even farther way and addign the supplies needed ot keep a city functioning may well have broken the logistics train completely.

Gemrany lsot the war when Hitler lsot his focus. Churchill was right. "The batlte of Franc eis over and I expect the battle for Britian will soon begin. Hitler knows he must break us in our island or lose the war" If gemrany had forced Britian out of the war or at least crippeled her by takign Malta (after Crete Hitler refuse dot Risk Student's Fallschimnjagers in another assult) and then the Suez he could have taken Russia.
 wiserd
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Posted: 3/16/2006 1:58:53 PM

Republicans are just happier cause they like cooler things like guns, freedom, money, defense, etc. I love being a Republican.


Democrats are very strong on defense. Republicans want offense, though. But the best defense is a good offense, right? And the best offense is ruling the world through guns and bullets and blackmail. It's very effective in an "I get what I want" kind of way. But is it moral? And bear in mind that Republicans have been involved with a number of security breaches. Not just the leaking of Valerie Plame's name, but also tipping off Bin Ladin to some of the means and methods that the CIA was using because they just had to brag.

Money - Have you seen the budget that this Republican dominated government is pushing through? Yeah, Republicans like money so much they let the S&Ls get robbed under HW Bush. Republican theft makes Democratic crooks like Rowstenkowski pale in comparison.

freedom - Republicans have tried to limit American freedoms just as much as Democrats. They've tried to limit freedom of information, freedom of protest, freedom of people to control their own medical decisions in a variety of ways...
 wiserd
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Posted: 3/16/2006 2:14:04 PM

Flavordave, are you saying that Democratic support for the shedding of innocent baby blood is moral? Surely, you are not implying that Republican support for a pro life position is not immoral? HMMMMMMMMMMM, killing babies more moral, not wanting babies killed less moral. Just doesn't add up. Geez................


This is a common falacy abused by both sides.

Side #1 says "I don't think the government should be involved in funding healthcare."

Side #2 says "Side #1 is against healthcare!"

Which is B.S. of course, but persuasive B.S. to many people who see government non-involvement as tacit acceptance of an unacceptable situation.

The government should not be dictating people's medical decisions to them. The government should not be telling people who their bodies should or should not be used to support. I've had enough friends who have been raped and didn't report it. While none of them got pregnant so far as I know, I can't imagine they'd be treated fairly if they had to try and find a lawyer and argue their case before a judge.
 Tomfl51
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Posted: 3/16/2006 3:17:48 PM

Gemrany lsot the war when Hitler lsot his focus. Churchill was right. "The batlte of Franc eis over and I expect the battle for Britian will soon begin. Hitler knows he must break us in our island or lose the war" If gemrany had forced Britian out of the war or at least crippeled her by takign Malta (after Crete Hitler refuse dot Risk Student's Fallschimnjagers in another assult) and then the Suez he could have taken Russia.


Hell I'm so happy being a Republican I'll even go off topic again -- but since this is one of my favorite topics I'll try to keep it "Democratic". You do realise WHO saw the vision and wisdom of Manstein's plan when most of the generals tried sticking him in Poland just before the "French 2 week blitz", right? Yep Adolf. Just read Manstein's book for verification. So he didn't always lose his "focus" -- but post WWII its easier just to say he chewed the rug.

As for Russia -- they can thank Mussolini (more than ANYTHING else) and his Balkan adventures for delaying Barbarossa and hence mother nature for bogging down the panzers. As for Churchill he can thank Hitler for stopping the drive to the coast and allowing Goering to blow it and give them that "victory" at Dunkirk.
 Tomfl51
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Posted: 3/16/2006 3:23:07 PM

I am moving to Canada. America truly is just overrun with inbreed idiots. It was a nice


Happy days are here again......the skies above are clear again. Well us inbred idiots shaw nuff wanna thank u for not letting that there barn door hit u on yer ass on the way north.

 raverdad
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Posted: 3/16/2006 4:58:19 PM
Arrowhead,


American-style *selective truth* like that is enough to get on anybody's nerves.

Before the Pearl Harbour strike, America was in peace talks with the Axis


WTF?

1) how can you ahve peac etlaks if you rnot at war? Perhaps you mean the Japanese diploamtic mission where FDR forced war on the Japanes eover China by cutting off thier oil, tun and rubber imports.

2) before Pearl harbor the UShad already become the priamry supplier of the UK. Rommel was faicng Amrican tansk and fighter planes in the desert beofr eAmerica entered the war. The British navy took possesion of 50 aging Americna destroyers to help with convoy duty and the US Navy was actively engaged in combating the U-Boat menance.


Maybe you guys don't realize that Canada had one of the most well defended beaches on D-Day, and were the only country to complete all of their tasks.


Actually the Canadians and British had the easier beaches in severla regards. The US beaches were butted up agianst Carentan on the west (closer to get supplies from the states). Juno Beach was the seocnd msot heavily defended after Omaha which wa s auS beach.

Juno Beach

General Richter was in charge of the 716th Division guarding the beach (1 regiment), with 11 heavy batteries of 155 mm guns and 9 medium batteries of 75 mm guns at his disposal. Additionally, pillboxes and other fortifications were present all along the beach, most heavily concentrated in the Courseulles-sur-mer region. The seawall was twice the height of Omaha Beach's, and the ocean was heavily mined

Omaha Beach
* 716 Infanterie Division (2 regiments 726- 736), 352 Infanterie Division, 3 greandier regiments 915-916-917, 15 Widerstandsnestern, and the 352 artillery regiment. All along a 6KM wide beach that on D-day afforded the germans a 400M long downward sloping completely open feild of fire. The Germans defenses were also not affected by bombers who dropped to far inland and the short navy bombardment (only 40 minutes) menat there were no shell craters for the troops to hid in. It was by far the bloodiest of the beaches. once the Americas did cross the beach they then had to scale the bluffs and cliffs that overlooked the area.


Maybe you could look back and see that even with the help of Russia, America, Canada, Britain, (French resistance, hahahahaha), Australia, China, Polish resistance, it still took a bloody long time to defeat Germany.


could America have beaten Gemrany alone? Yes, without a doubt. By 1945 we had the Convair B-36 which could fly from the US to Europe and back and drop the A-bomb from a height above what the Luftwaffe fighters even jets could reach. Germany not haivng an A bomb could not have stood agiasnt this threat. Not to toot Americas horn but but the proof that we orignially intende dhte A-Bomb for Berlin is there as is the fact that we had the will to use it in combat.

Could the UK and USSR have beaten Germany alone? No they did not hav ehte production capacity. By the end of WW2 England and the USSR were both bled white.

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 381 mph. at 34,500 ft.
Cruising speed: 202 mph.
Range: 8,175 miles with 10,000 lbs. bomb load.; 8,770 mile ferry range
Service Ceiling: 42,500 ft.


B-36 B&C Model
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 230 ft. 0 in.
Length: 162 ft. 1 in.
Height: 46 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 328,000 lbs. (max. gross weight)
Armament: Sixteen 20mm cannons plus 72,000 lbs of bombs.
Engines: Six Pratt & Whitney R-4360-41 radials of 3,500 hp. each (takeoff power)
Crew: 15

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 381 mph. at 34,500 ft.
Cruising speed: 202 mph.
Range: 8,175 miles with 10,000 lbs. bomb load.; 8,770 mile ferry range
Service Ceiling: 42,500 ft.


Me 262

General characteristics

* Crew: One
* Length: 10.58 m (34 ft 9 in)
* Wingspan: 12.5 m (41 ft 0 in)
* Height: 3.83 m (12 ft 7 in)
* Wing area: 21.7 m² (234 ft²)
* Empty weight: 3,800 kg (8,400 lb)
* Maximum gross takeoff weight: 6,400 kg (14,100 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Junkers Jumo 004B-1 turbojets, 18 kN (4,050 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 870 km/h (540 mph)
* Range: 1,050 km (650 mi)
* Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,600 ft)
* Climb rate: 1,200 m/min (3,900 ft/min)
* Wing loading: ()
* Thrust/weight: :1
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 3/16/2006 5:54:25 PM
The Soviets beat the Germans. That's where all the big battles were fought and they were clearly driving toward Berlin long before D-Day. Let's give credit where it's due here. If the German army had not been pounded for years in Russia, the invasion of Normandy would have been impossible. If we (Canada, US, UK) hadn't crossed, the war would have ended a little later and Western Europe would have been under Russia's control.
 raverdad
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Posted: 3/16/2006 8:29:45 PM

If you are going to bring up the hipothetical situation where America fights Germany alone, then you have a situation where Germany is not wasting any resources on any fronts, and is actually going to attack America. You can not go by any evidence of what happened during WWII because Germany was severely hindered by the Europeans and Russians.


The thing is we have absolute evidecne that Germany lacked strategic planning to gear up to actually take on the US in such a way as to combat a super high flying nuclear bomb equipped bomber.

What we have is a mindset devouted to a tacticla mindset. They cancelled the ural bomber, stoppped seriosu work on the A-bomb and had an absolute fixation on tactics. If they were to gear up to attack America. Hitlers fixation with big shing toys means battleships and wodner wepaons. They might have conventionally armed V-2's. No matter how strong they are they still suffer form the "continental" mindset. Assuming they had beat Russia and England and the US had beat Japan. You have a gemrany with a massive 200+ divsion army and massive tactical airforce with almost no navy excpet submariens vs a US that has only 90 divsions of ground troops but the largest anvy and strategic airforces the world has ever seen. And seperated by continets the war would be strategic. Germany gearign up to go afte rthe US woudl be facing a US tha thad already embraced a strategic mindset over a decade ealrier withthe XB-15 concept and Billy mithcell's theories on the use of airpower.


The Soviets beat the Germans. That's where all the big battles were fought and they were clearly driving toward Berlin long before D-Day. Let's give credit where it's due here. If the German army had not been pounded for years in Russia, the invasion of Normandy would have been impossible. If we (Canada, US, UK) hadn't crossed, the war would have ended a little later and Western Europe would have been under Russia's control.


Just days after Stalingrad surrendered an equally large german army also surrendered. It was the Afrika Corps in Arica. over 200,000 German POW's ended up in Texas with that surrender. Could Rusisa have taken berlin without allied help? No way, the losses incurred by the Red Army were huge. By the end of the war the USSR wa sout of reserves. Add in the forces that were in the wes tto the Gemran order of batlte and Russia never even reaches Poland by the time Gemran Technology really begins to make itself felt. Then the jets, missiles, night fighting gear and assult rifles swing the balance away from the USSR. The Russians only advanced becuase much of the Gemran army (about 1/3) and most of the Luftwaffe was aimed west not east. Give Hilter slegiosn a 1/3 boost ins treangth and contorl of the air and Russia fails.

As for Berlin. The first decisive allied counter attack was not on the eastern front but in Tunisia with operation Torch. It would be a full year beofre the Russians finally gained the strategic initive after the batlte of Kursk. The western allies were firs to enter Germany, destroyed the luftwaffe, wrecked the gemran rail system, collapsed the economy and wiped out German cities. Russia was a magor player on a side show front. As much as they did they only did beucase the allies gave them supplies and releived massive pressure on them.
 serendipitee
Joined: 9/5/2005
Msg: 24
Republicans Are Happier Than Democrats
Posted: 3/17/2006 12:23:46 AM
Hmmm, what other factors might be at play?

Might I suggest it's because generally speaking Republicans/Conservatives are clueless when it comes to those outside their "me & mine" circle. Hence, if "me & mine" are amassing more money/stuff/whatever... everything's peachy and all is well with the world... "we be happy"!

On second thought, Republicans/Conservatives don't have feelings... therefore, any self-report of "happiness" is, by definition, inaccurate.

Toon,
Have you ever seen a "great piece of elephant"?
 canadianbakeun
Joined: 1/9/2006
Msg: 25
Republicans Are Happier Than Democrats
Posted: 3/17/2006 3:10:15 AM
doc...the bad news that i think you are speaking of will affect canada as well....it will affect everybody.....they call it a world war for a reason....but i do agree.....however...canada will not solve your problems....the best thing you can do is stay and help to change things....get involved....that sort of sh*t......try just moving out of a red state for starters.....ohio sucks anyways.....to us here in michigan....it is the freakin' south....no offense....

.....and to whomever said it up there....the canadians came ashore on d-day to find that the beaches they were on were defended by captured russians in german uniforms that quickly ran away leaving the beaches defended by only german officers....it was a cake walk for 'em....reports of canadian troops riding bikes through the streets and having a grand old time after their ....uhhh....battle (i guess you'd have to call it that).....are something that my one grandpa (American) got after my other grandpa (canadian) about all the time....kinda funny actully....them not your country.....

and the germans didn't lose the war because hitler lost focus.....they lost (for the most part) because he opened a two front war.....(rumor has it).....
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