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 Taken1
Joined: 4/8/2006
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Hello girls and boys….. In Canada…..I want to know your views in your province on this…..


I feel that this a form of GENOCIDE Defined by international treaty standards and this agreement was VIOLATED CLEARLY when the convention was signed in Jan. 1951 Therefore CLEARLY Canada did continue through with GENOCIDE… and defined more clearly to you as “ETHNIC CLEANSING”… with the RESEDENTIAL SCHOOLS ACT…

What are your feelings on this? Is it or is it not?


FYI- Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/genocide.htm
 Draxx
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:24:04 AM
Call me stupid and hit me with a dummy stick, but will answering this really help me meet ladies?.....this is still a dating site right?
 left foot
Joined: 3/3/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:37:49 AM
You feel the Canadian Gov't was fully responsible for the actions in residential schools......were they not run by the church with gov't approval...???
what are your feelings on the church and its actions...???
Perhaps the pope should stand in front of the United Nations tribunal????
hmmmmmm....
 nuthafish
Joined: 3/18/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:38:45 AM
@ the OP - ?????????? so is it still happening today? Are we going to forever drag up the evils of the past? Consider yourself soooo lucky you werent born in one of many African countries.

@ draxxus - RIGHT ON MAN
 Clearwater Missy
Joined: 9/8/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:43:59 AM
shouldnt this be in a differ sopt , ,like a discussions thered or something
 K3VLAR
Joined: 6/13/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:59:52 AM
I just learnt about this during my fall semester at Douglas, and I was appalled at this notion of forced assimilation. But the residential school system was abbolished in or around 1986. It still sickens me to read about this!
 Hobbes-27
Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:00:46 AM
First lets examine what genocide means

gen·o·cide ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jn-sd)
n.
The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group

so.... no the actions of a few people against a select portion of the population outside the intent of authorities does not qualify. The japanese internment camps would be a much more closer analogy.

people love to throw around terms without knowing their meaning, ultimately trivialising and desensitizing people.

There is genocide going on right now in the sudan just like in rwanda a few years back. Altho the action of the church run "residential schools" are abominable they were shut down and its time to stop flogging a dead horse here when there is active actual genocide going on. Put your efforts into something where action can actually make a differenence instead of gallavanting on a high horse about battles long since fought.
 left foot
Joined: 3/3/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:05:36 AM
I think part of the high horse issue here...is that the province of MB and the Canadian Gov't is currently in court against the Metis...over land right settlements...and someone is just trying to stir the pot????
The metis believe they were promised all of the City of Winnipeg....so everyone with a little blood in them is screaming...we've been wronged
lol
 Taken1
Joined: 4/8/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:12:41 AM
It upsets me for I have had my ear bent on many occasions about abuse, and how "THE CHURCH" has done such wonderful things from many Bible thumpers..... Then you look back in time and............... well... you know the stories.....

I think that there should be responsibility from the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRUCH to pay for their contribution towards ethnic cleansing. If your going to help a culture out....do not instill only your value system (as did the Catholic Church)... but rather keep an open mind and help teach the existing culture....again this was also modified by the UNITED NATIONS.....


Now I will copy a post from a POF member coorslightguy to this thread here in MB….


Cultural genocide is a term used to describe the deliberate destruction of the cultural heritage of a people or nation for political or military reasons.

The Canadian residential school system consisted of a number of schools for Aboriginal children, operated during the 20th century by churches of various denominations, and funded under the Indian Act by Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, a branch of the federal government. The schools' purpose was "to take the Indian out of the Queen's Red Children" according to the Gradual Civilization Act which implemented the system.

Students were required to stay in residences on school premises, which were often walled or fortified in some manner, and were often forcibly removed from their homes, parents, and communities. Most students had no contact with their families for up to 10 months at a time due to the distance between their home communities and schools. Often, they did not have contact with their families for years at a time. The locations of the schools were planned deliberately to ensure a "proper distance" from the reserves. They were prohibited from speaking Aboriginal languages, even amongst themselves and outside the classroom, so that English or French would be successfully learned and their own languages forgotten. Students were subject to often unreasonably severe corporal punishment for speaking Aboriginal languages or practising non-Christian faiths. It is because of this that the residential school system (and indeed the entire Gradual Civilization Act) have been called blatantly racist by native rights groups and have been severely criticized as culturally insensitive or even inhumane. It has also been proven to have been a government and church sponsored attempt to assimilate the Aboriginals into the European-Canadian culture, and it was at least partially successful in many cases.

Until the late 1950s, residential schools were severely underfunded, and relied on the forced labour of their students to maintain their facilities. The work was arduous, and severely compromised the academic and social development of the students.

In the 1990s, it was revealed that many students at residential schools were subjected to severe physical, psychological, and sexual abuse by teachers and school officials. Several prominent court cases led to large monetary payments from the federal government and churches to former students of residential schools.


So to answer your question Shally..... "Was Genocide Preformed?" ......it was definately attempted by the Canadian Government, and churches....... and to a certain degree it was successful......

And here's a really scarey fact.........all this happened along time ago in our past right?


Wrong.........

The last residential school closed in 1996!
 a dater
Joined: 4/30/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:23:45 AM
I dont know, the Church has done some pretty messed up things, but Genocide hmmm.
 Taken1
Joined: 4/8/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:35:20 AM
FYI- Residential schools are still up and running in the world I believe... so it is an argument that is still on-going.... as well...as a Canadian to another Canadain.... the church should be held accountable for wrong doings, not only does a country have to take responsability but the church should as well.
 a dater
Joined: 4/30/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:51:19 AM
Just for the record girls, I'm Anti Genocide.
 Hobbes-27
Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:53:37 AM
so are you actually suggesting the government should define papal policy?

as for "residential schools" yes they are 1000's upon 1000's of them. The term simply means a school which the students stay there. Also known as Boarding Schools and many of them are quite fine establishments. Hell, several still are under the church. However, enforced enrollment in a boarding school is another matter and they are now subject to review by the canadian government because of previous issues such as this.

It does not even fall under the scope of cultural genocide because they did not disallow first nations to learn their history and culture, however they did enforce living in the catholic school situation which was in violation of their right to religion. Combined with the fact that the government let the church run the schools (which was a general thing done in europe since establishment of the church-it was a very common thing to send children to study with the monks to study and learn to write etc) However in the last century the corruption in the church has become more and more well known.

So long story short-The Church screwed up, the canadian government made a poor decision in trusting the church to set up schools but one with precident. The Canadian government wanted to have school on reserves and did not have the money, the church volunteered so they accepted what they thought was help. However, they did not monitor these institutions. This was a horrific series of events however not genocide and actions have been made to stop it from happening again.
But there is active genocide happening all over the place(cambodia, chile, argentina, rwanda, sudan,....) but no one seems to care about actually stopping it but rather how profits can be made from previous events...to me that is a tragedy
 spent
Joined: 5/9/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:06:44 PM
As a white, I went to residential school during day for couple years. Some of the indians lived at home after school too. We fed and educated them for free. I think it is very generous to educate your potential enemy. I really dont think educating people can be called genocide.
 LurkingEvil
Joined: 4/3/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:45:48 PM
Well I don't know if I agree with the term "genocide" to describe what happened in residential schools but it certainly was disgusting! I am ashamed to be white sometimes because of the atrocious acts white people have performed throughout history and even today...can't we all just get along? Sigh. I wish natives were more connected with their culture because clearly, the european and now "Canadian" way of life does not suit many of them. Like I always say though, the world's going to hell inn a handbasket so we might as well try to enjoy the ride. At least we are lucky enough to be in a country where we are free to walk where we please and do what we want for the most part
 spent
Joined: 5/9/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:56:27 PM
Dont be ashamed to be white; be ashamed to be human. The various indian tribes were constantly committing real genocide against each other long before they were conquered by the british.
 LurkingEvil
Joined: 4/3/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 2:28:33 PM
Yes that is true, another of my sayings is "be sure to wash the blood from your hands before you point your finger". I realize that few cultures are peaceful and those that are, usually get taken advantage of, Tibet for example.
 Hobbes-27
Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 3:10:21 PM
Peace sells....but who is buying? no money to be made in such things
 gotu
Joined: 4/26/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 3:42:43 PM

It does not even fall under the scope of cultural genocide because they did not disallow first nations to learn their history and culture,


Hobbes - I would have to disagree. I think by removing children from their homes for their formative years and disallowing them contact with their families, disallowing them to speak in native languages, or to practise cultural rituals the Catholic church did indeed perform cultural genocide.

There is a huge gap between the language speaker and the non language speakers - you can see these gaps quite clearly in the interior and northern regions of this country.

The bigger issue I suppose is not that the Catholic Church who you wold believe would be bound by the laws of God to care for these children and provide them with "charity" if you will call it that managed to so thoroughly "white-up" two and sometimes three generations of people. BUt that the Federal government endorsed and contributed to these activities.

There are some spectacular memoires of the Carcross School and a few others if you are interested I have some of them from way back in the day (university :P) you know us art students forever keeping our books.
 celtic_spice
Joined: 8/1/2005
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Posted: 5/10/2006 6:23:28 PM
Soap box!! Where did that soap box go???
 gon_fishin
Joined: 1/9/2006
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Posted: 5/11/2006 12:12:33 AM
hobbes... u are a very educated indivual... love to meet ya some day...

but mate.. genocide.. hmmmm try cultural genocide..

if uu want first hand stories of it.. shoot me an email,,,
 gurliegurl2
Joined: 5/12/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2006 8:49:09 PM
Canadian history has been based on a bunch of paternalistic Eurocentric views. This country was viewed as Terra nuellis - unoccupied by "CIVILIZED" beings. This was so that the colonizers could justify their actions when they came to occupy this country. Genocide - I think so. The government intentionally and willingly gave smallpox infested blankets to natives to wipe them out. Also - many were forced to stay on their reservations and denied rations of food to starve them so that the land they occupy could revert back to the Canadian Government. Our History books are erroneous and incomplete.
 gurliegurl2
Joined: 5/12/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2006 9:00:53 PM
The Canadian Indian Residential schools forced native children to live in absolutly appalling conditions. The lovely pictures you see in the history books were of these children in the only good clothing they had (Sunday clothes). There was really very little formal education. Most of these kids lived off of cabbage while the nuns and priests ate the only meat available right in front of them. Many children were beaten for speaking their native tongue and beaten for their belief systems (foreign to the priests and nuns). Many children died while trying to run away to their families to get away from the abuse they faced in the schools. Very few were nurtured or shown how to care for one another and once they were 16 they were turned loose with no skills for raising a family and the rest of the country would not give them work because they viewed them as less than the "whites". The Indian act and the Canadian Government still claims who is and is not an Indian. Most natives were not even allowed to leave their reservations without special passes or permission from the indian agent. If any tried to defend their families or beliefs they were killed. My ancestors were massacred at Wounded Knee. Children and Elders. Don't tell me that it didn't happen in Canada too. It did. There are pits full of bodies of native people who were slaughtered. Just because it is happening in other parts of the world does not mean it didn't happen here. So before you make statements please educate yourselves.
 socksock
Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 5/25/2006 9:06:15 PM
But who are being wronged today? If we've learned anything from the past, is there something to correct now?
 GeilerAffe
Joined: 5/4/2005
Msg: 25
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Posted: 5/26/2006 7:16:31 AM
OK so let's give away the farm now. Hey why stop there, we should look back even further... maybe they can bilk some money off the Vikings for when they first landed in North America. hmmm maybe Julias Czesar wronged them in some way. Come on people, the past is the past, yes some of the things done were horrific but are most of these people not dead or being punished by the courts in some way. By that I mean the individuals who actually performed the acts.
Hey my parents were treated poorly by the Americans and Russians during the war, maybe I can get some money out of it.
Give me a break people!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to stop appologising for the acts of others and get on with making the world a better place.
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