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 alaska2004
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 2
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I should really stay away from threads like these but....what the he-- eh? My first question to you OP is if you think the gay parades are a good thing, why do you find reluctance in being part of one? I myself would no more be a participant IN a gay parade then say a police parade, fireman parade, etc. I might watch because I do like parades. Can you imagin a hetro parade complete with wedding cake figurines but in big ballon size with two to four little children in tow? Banners and large signs spouting wedding vows? The whole parade about hetro familys and none other form. Think it would happen? NOT!! The gay community and the ACLU would be up in arms and ready to sue. Do you notice that gay parades are one of the only type of parades where your "sexuality" is the actual issue of the parade itself? Excluding the Mardi-Graw in New Orleans where everyone (gay and non-gay)dresses like a sex freak of one kind or another. lol. All the different parades I have seen in person and on tv, sex is not a part of it. Why can't gays seperate themselves from their sexual preferences when doing a parade? Why can't they just dress normal in a parade that supports what they believe instead of dressing to advertise the fact that they are screwing each other in the asses and sucking each others**** and slits? Why the graphics? I myself will laugh at their costumes. But I also feel sorry at the same time for any human that feels the need to identify themselves through their sexuality in public like that, including New Orleans. It's a lame move in my opinion.
 alaska2004
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 4
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Posted: 7/24/2006 12:42:00 PM
I totally agree Beavis. I could totally go for watching a gay parade with gay and lesbian people dressing crazily like any normal people do without all the sexual inuendos and things. My daughter went to our gay day parade here, just a small thing but I even noted in the pictues she took that a majority of people in the parade were men dressing to look like girls and vice-versa and then some in very sexual costumes. A lot of gays just can't seem to seperate the fact that to be gay does not mean you have to advertise it anymore. Being gay is an accepted life style.
 Gorshkov
Joined: 5/25/2006
Msg: 7
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Posted: 7/24/2006 3:55:04 PM
I think Gay Pride parades have outlived their usefullness, and to be honest, I think they'r'e counter-productive as hell now.

Think about it. Joe Buttf.ck in Iowa.

If the guy sitting next to him for 20 years at the 'huskers games tell him he's gay, Joe will look at him funny and think "Damn - he looks normal"

When the one of the guys he goes duckhunting with every year tells him he's gay, Joe will think "Geeze - not a bad shot for a queer"

and so on.

And eventually, Joe will begin to think that gays are just normal folks, like everybody else, and he won't worry about it.

But what DOES Joe see?

Every year, he sees a 15 second clip on NBC News about the annual New York City Gay Pride parade .... which will inevitably feature the 15 Carman Mirandas on the lead float.

So guess what? Joe thinks that gays are freaks. Can you blame him?

If you want to advance the cause, have your parade where everybody wears what they do EVERY day. Let people see bankers, laywers, accountants, garbagemen, electritians, and mechanics go down the road.

And when people start saying "Damn - the look just like normal people", they'll start thinking of them that way.

I'm hetrosexual. If I walked downt he road wearing some of the things that are worn during those parades, I'd be arrested on indecency charges. Treat them the same.
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/24/2006 5:34:05 PM

When the one of the guys he goes duckhunting with every year tells him he's gay, Joe will think "Geeze - not a bad shot for a queer"

Wow, that was extremely condescending while simultaneously being completely ignorant. As if someone's sexual preference has anything to do with their ability to aim a gun.


And eventually, Joe will begin to think that gays are just normal folks, like everybody else, and he won't worry about it.

What is there for Joe to worry about? Are gay people dangerous in some way? Is he worried that one is going to jump out behind the bushes and grab him on the ass or scratch his homophobic eyes out? Don't worry, as long as there are people like you out there, there will always be someone who doesn't think gay people are normal.


If you want to advance the cause, have your parade where everybody wears what they do EVERY day. Let people see bankers, laywers, accountants, garbagemen, electritians, and mechanics go down the road.

I think you are missing the point of a gay pride parade. It's not about fitting in and not drawing attention to yourself. If that was their goal, they wouldn't hold a parade at all since the parade itself would make them stand out. That would be like protesting against the right to protest. It makes no sense. Also, it may come as a shock to you, but some gay people do dress flamboyantly and even dress in drag every day.


And when people start saying "Damn - the look just like normal people", they'll start thinking of them that way.

Gay people are no less normal that you or I. What you may find to be normal, someone else may find to be abnormal. If our armed forces paraded through the streets of New York City, do you not think that they would be wearing their uniforms? Their uniforms that they have earned through rigorous trials and tribulations? Can you really call these soldiers "normal" when 90% of our nation's population will never get to wear their uniform? They take pride in being abnormal and they wear their uniforms proudly as an indication of their abnormality.

Gay people too have endured endless criticism and discrimination, and they too wear their colors proudly while walking down the streets, knowing that they have payed their dues and overcome onslaughts of hatred, sarcasm and misunderstanding to get where they are now.


I'm hetrosexual. If I walked downt he road wearing some of the things that are worn during those parades, I'd be arrested on indecency charges.

A parade is an extenuating circumstance, so the authorities may be a bit more lenient. If we are to ask them to arrest every one of them that wore garments that we didn't agree with at a gay pride parade, then we would also have to ask them so show no leniency at events like Mardi Grass. Come on, do you really think their jail cells are that big?
 rollergrrl
Joined: 6/12/2006
Msg: 9
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Posted: 7/24/2006 5:54:31 PM
i just skated in a gay pride parade with my roller derby league. i'm not gay, but still had a great time. from my perspective it wasn't that much different than any other parade and A LOT more tame than our mardi gras parade.

it's just a bunch of people celebrating. not productive nor counter productive. it just is.
 Mr. Ivan
Joined: 3/13/2006
Msg: 11
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Posted: 7/24/2006 6:15:15 PM
Gays can be as wild and crazy as straights. Look at Mardi Gras for example. Who is calling that a "freak show" or a misrepresentation the straight community?

I'm straight! Okay let me say it with a STRAIGHT face! I'M STRAIGHT! I wouldn't mind going to these parades (with a mask on, of course). They seem like fun and I'm a curious fellow. Did I already say I was straight? Yes, I did. Whew!
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/24/2006 6:52:33 PM

hes saying that the flamboyancy of the parades might drive other people further away from acceptance.

I didn't disagree with the fact that some people may be repulsed by the situation and may be driven away, but the fact is, no matter what you do, someone out there is going to get offended. It's just the way things are. Obviously there are more people out there that are starting to accept these flamboyant displays of pride than there are people who are turned away by them. The reason that I say this is obvious is because more and more people go each year.


so it is a concern to be accepted...dont say it isnt.

Where did I ever say that it's not a concern to be accepted? I just said that it wasn't their concern to be what the homophobic population considers to be the norm. Of course it's important for people of all walks of life to feel accepted, but that doesn't mean that people have to walk the straight and narrow and be perfectly normal to be accepted. They want to be accepted for who they are, not for who they have sex with, and there are plenty of people in this world who do accept them for just that. But the fact that it took them so long to reach this level of acceptance is the exact reason why they are celebrating. So tell me why someone would go through the trouble of organizing a celebration of their differences just to walk through the streets being the same as everyone else and not different.


but on a larger societal level, acceptance is important. thats why they have the parades in the first place.

No it's not. It's called a gay "pride" parade, not a gay "acceptance" parade. It's to celebrate the acceptance into the overall community that they have already achieved and to show support and acceptance for all other gay people.
 Polly_G
Joined: 11/21/2005
Msg: 14
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Posted: 7/24/2006 10:06:36 PM
I find it sad we are still at a stage we have to debate stuff like this.

I feel very fortunate to have been raised not to fear stuff like this.
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/25/2006 12:03:09 AM
but let me ask you...do you think that a gp parade that was held this year would have been "acceptable" in 1950??

Not at all, which is exactly why I say that the parade is not used to gain acceptance, but to celebrate the acceptance and recognition that they have achieved since 1950. I don't know if I can state that in a more clear fashion, so if you still don't understand, I am sorry.
 cassidy182
Joined: 3/6/2006
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/25/2006 12:29:21 AM
personally, i think they are a bit silly, i mean we don't have parades for hetrosexuals, so why would you want one for being gay, its like a statement which is not needed, if your proud for being gay then fine, no need to start a festival on it



Isn't this the same as saying something silly like..why do african americans have a black history month...we don't have white history month.....something to that effect??

It's a parade..so what?? It's fun to watch and hey people can do what they want these days...

 darkangelofdeathâ„¢
Joined: 7/14/2006
Msg: 18
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Posted: 7/25/2006 12:53:40 AM
i have nothing against gays. Well hell of course not..my profile should explain why.
Gay men seem to have some of the best qualities a man can possess.

but Gay pride festivals? i really have no comment about that.
 darkangelofdeathâ„¢
Joined: 7/14/2006
Msg: 21
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Posted: 7/25/2006 1:51:49 AM
to gain acceptance of being gay? why do you need a festival to celebrate a sexual preference? who cares? you either are or you aren't...people accept it or they don't. We don't need gay pride festivals. There are far much more useful festivals that could be put on.
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/25/2006 3:24:35 AM
personally, i think they are a bit silly, i mean we don't have parades for heterosexuals, so why would you want one for being gay, its like a statement which is not needed, if your proud for being gay then fine, no need to start a festival on it

That's the kind of statement that only an uninformed, straight person could make.


So what is so silly in that question, why is questioning a double standard a no go?

First off, it's not a double standard since no one is saying that they can have a parade and you can't. You need to realize why these parades are being organized. Generally, parades such as gay pride parades are used to celebrate the groups hard work toward acceptance into a population who once severely oppressed them. This can be said not only for Gay people, but African Americans, women, and other groups. All of the mentioned groups have overcome cataclysmic discrimination in the past and a parade not only celebrates their achievements thus far, but also keeps the ball rolling so that perhaps someday all people may be treated equally.

With that said, when was there a time in American history where white people and straight people were oppressed to the point of not being able to vote, use a public restroom, or even marry the person of their choosing? Hell, when were they ever oppressed at all? If you want to go out and organize a heterosexual, Caucasian parade then knock yourselves out, but don't expect a big turn out.

In fact, all you really have to do to find supporters of your opinion is join the KKK.
 lira
Joined: 6/8/2006
Msg: 24
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Posted: 7/25/2006 10:26:39 AM
I am proud to be straight. I am attracted to men. No women has ever turned me on. I am proud ofwho I am.
 alaska2004
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 26
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Posted: 7/25/2006 11:47:09 AM
I think in making a comparison of what gays are trying to establish to what say the blacks have established through slavery/racism to women rights to equal treatment of other minorities is so wrong. First, gays are about having their sexual life style accepted and as seen normal. They want people to see it a normal act for a guy to bugger another guy or a girl to eat out another girl etc. That is not a cause like the afore mentioned. No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society. People have seen it as not the well or correct way to live life. Why? I have no idea why. I myself am not against anyone being gay. I do think it is wrong to celebrate one's sexuality (whether hetro or gay) as is done in gay parades. Nothing good comes from such a demostration of such. If something good came from having parades where you displayed your sexual orientation in the streets to tell everyone your proud you bugger your partner and are a great head giver/slit licker, don't you think the hetros would have been doing it long before the gays began doing it? Can you imagin a hetro parade where huge beds are on the back of decorated trucks and several people (all hetros) are pretending to be doing each other while swapping partners? Hetro men and women chasing each other about the vehicles, the females scantilly dressed and the men with strap on dildos pretending to be sexually excited? Big ballons of males and females in different Karma-Sutra positions?
Gay parades are essential used as an advertising means to show the public that what they do is becoming more and more accepted by society as a whole. The psychology here which has always been used in anything for the public is the more you force the public to become accustomed to something, the more they will tolerate and sooner or later come to accept it. Those in the parades do not always understand the real meaning, purpose and design of gay parades as established by those first fighting for their sexual rights to come out of the closet and to become accepted by society. To gays today, it is a great day to get out, to dress up wildly, wave signs of "gay pride" etc., and to just have fun. When gay parades were first established, they were used as an act of warfare against those not wanting them to come out of the closet.
People have always had problems with any type of sexuality being pushed on them whether it came from an adult porno shop people fought against to not have in their neighborhood or city to the Mardi Gras or a gay parade.
Their are all different types of ways to dress up in outlandish costumes for a parade rather than adding sexuality to it. That is the fact. We had the local stripper bars in a parade up here one year. The male and female strippers and dancers might as well of been nude. Many did not know they were in the parade so thousands of children got plenty to see and it pissed folks off. They have never been back in the parades because they won't "dress down" for the kids that will be there. They think the kids should be subjected to anatomys of male and female strippers and dancers in thongs, tiny bikinis etc.
 strangebloom
Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 27
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Posted: 7/25/2006 11:55:39 AM
Nay.

I am all for equality. But in a public event where children will be, I don't think a person's sexuality is an appropriate topic.

I would not support a straight parade either.

But getting back to the gay pride thing. These hurt homosexuals drive for equality anyway. The reason is, many of these guys dress up in exaggerated 'costume' to look more gay. Then, that becomes representative of that gay community and the rest of the community assumes that this is what gay people are.
 cassidy182
Joined: 3/6/2006
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Posted: 7/26/2006 1:20:48 AM
I can't believe people make such a big deal out of this it is like 2006...for crying out loud....
I just don't understand it.....
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/26/2006 4:03:31 AM

No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society.

You should try learning some history before posting stuff like this. During the time of the Roman Empire, homosexuality was vast. Most Emperors including Constantine were either gay or homosexual.


Actually your wrong. When straight pride posters went up at the college my brother went to, those responsible were ordered to take them down

Well the first mistake made here was to try to put these posters on private property. Secondly, I don't know what the posters said, or the reason behind putting them up, but I can easily assume that they were done to mimic and insult the gay pride population (which as you can imagine would be the wrong reason). I can see a college not wanting their students in turmoil. This could mean a serious attendance drop and lack of funding. It's just bad PR.


if you are lucky you will have a police escort to protect you from your tolerant bretheren who have shown up to beat you till you are tolerant like them.

To be "tolerant" of a situation means that you don't agree with it, but you let it happen because you don't think that your opinion matters enough to be able to change it. There is very little that I am tolerant of, and I am not tolerant of anything that deals with racism or sexism. This means that I either accept it or I don't. It doesn't mean that I "tolerate" it.


at least the klan have the integrity to be honest about thier bigotry and wear their sheets on the outside.

You call hiding your identity honest? Not only is it dishonest, but it is cowardly.
 alaska2004
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 31
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Posted: 7/26/2006 1:09:21 PM
Hey Swindol, I am guessing that either you have (1.) not did gay Greek and Roman history very well or (2.) are leaving out some tid-bits a lot of pro-gay would not like to think about. Such as the Greek and Roman male gay societies were mostly pederasty, what we now refer to as "pedophilies." And to state a quote from a gay web site, "The Roman societies were very tolarant of the gay lifestyles." I find it a real shame that all those linking gay rights for parades, marriage, etc., is always linked to Greek and Roman societys of gay men that mostly favored buggering young Roman boys and young boy slaves of different ethnic backgrounds rather than men of their own age.

There is a big differance between watching a gay parade and a gay parade based on their sexuality.
 lira
Joined: 6/8/2006
Msg: 33
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Posted: 7/26/2006 4:21:23 PM
Thank you everybody for not judging me on my last post.Even though I said I was streight, attracted to men and proud of who I am, I will now say this: I have a gay friend. I love him to death. He is full of humer. He makes me laugh all the time.Not only is he gay, he is black.He is as gay as a feiry and black as coal, but he is one of my best friends.But he does not advertise by wearing womens cloths.I think he respects himself and others not advertising his sex life.He tells me about his male friends as I tell him about by male friends.If gay marriages ever become legal and he decides to marry a man, I will be there for him. I may not approve or want it for me, but I will respect him.
 RSwindol
Joined: 8/25/2005
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Posted: 7/26/2006 6:03:00 PM
Alaska 2004. I am confused. First you stated that...
No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society.


But then you said...
And to state a quote from a gay web site, "The Roman societies were very tolarant of the gay lifestyles."

So are you admitting that your first statement is not accurate? If so, what else may you be saying that isn't entirely accurate?

One more point.
Such as the Greek and Roman male gay societies were mostly pederasty, what we now refer to as "pedophilies."

Do you know why the word "pedophilia" was not coined until the 1900's? Because until the last 100 to 125 years, it was quite acceptable, even in our own country, for the younger community to have sex. In the "Old West", the average age for a girl to start a career in prostitution was 14. Many started younger than that. By standards today, would this also not be considered pedophilia whether it be straight or gay? I am not at all justifying pedophilia or saying that it isn't wrong, but I am simply pointing out that what we found acceptable only 200 years ago is now punishable by imprisonment. If that was only 200 years ago, don't you think their mentality might have been even more different 2,000 years ago? Pedophilia wouldn't have been as bizarre since at the age of 13 one was considered to be an adult.
 Gorshkov
Joined: 5/25/2006
Msg: 35
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Posted: 7/26/2006 8:58:05 PM
Sorry, folks - I've been "not here" for a few days, and I guess it's taken me a bit to respond

RS - you totally twisted, misconstrued, and I can only assume deliberatly misread my post.

The problem with the SOCIAL equality of gays is not people like me. The problem is with guys LIKE Joe. Doesn't matter how repulsive you think it is, doesn't matter how ignorant or bigoted it is, it still IS - and you're gonna have to deal with guys like him for at least a generation before it changes.

LEGALLY, gays have (generally speaking) gotten rid of most of the inequalities in the system. There's gonna be little catchups and wrinkles to be ironed out over time, but the bulk of the job has been done.

The problem now is the "hearts & minds" campaign. Does it matter how proud you are of being gay, if you still have wankers throwing gays off bridges, or tying them to fenceposts and stoning them to death?

That's not a legal issue. That's a social, societal and attitudnal issue. And THAT is where the gay pride parades are counter-productive.

As long as guys LIKE Joe exist - as long as their sons and daughters take their queues from their parents - those Carmen Mirandas WILL be counter-productive.

When Joe's been duckhunting and comes home and tells his son "You know, maybe queers aren't so bad after all - god knows Jim is one hellova shot", THEN you will make progress. THAT is when you will start seeing a real reduction in hatecrimes aimed at homosexuals.

But as long as the face of gay pride Carmen Miranda, Joe's gonna think that they're just as weird as little red men from mars.

That may not be nice, or PC, but it's reality.
 LostDutchman
Joined: 6/27/2006
Msg: 36
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Posted: 7/26/2006 9:37:21 PM
Parades are cool...............
 alaska2004
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/27/2006 12:27:02 AM
You don't need to feel confused Swindol, if your my age it'll come naturally!

The Greek societys were the only known society on record where gayness was nearly the preferred way of sexual relations. What I said was easy to understand. There has never been a gay society that walked in total equality with a hetro society from it's begining to it's ending. Some came close but still did not meet full acceptance. Among the oldest laws recorded in clay from Babylonia, 2285-2240, King Hammurabi had a law of death for any soldier knowing another soldier. Other societies had death laws against gay sex, mainly men to men. I rarely saw anything of women to women. So my first statement remains as stated that no society or culture has ever fully accepted or revered more the gay life style. The gay life style has had it's place but that is all. And to my research, only to Roman emperors were "gay." Elagabalus and Hadrian. The rest were straight or bi. But just because an emperor was gay does not mean the whole of Roman society was gay. Much of Roman society was hetro and bi.
Of young girls being had by older perv's, I totally agree it was done. But it was not done out of pure lust as is the case today. From the 1800's back the life expectancy age was very short. If you lived to see 40 you were doing really well! People knew next to nothing of how to fight dieases to prolong life. So older guys did get married off to younger girls so they could start popping out the kids. Many dieases killed babies and children. So the more kids a female could have, the bigger chances you stood of having a few live past their teens. This practice of marrying young girls to older men was known about in societies all around the world. It was done to increase populations.
But to take a young person for the only purpose to have pleasure with when their are people your own age, populations have frowned on this for 1000's of years.
And as you pointed out in an earlier post, being "tolerant" does not mean you are acceptable of something. It just means your putting up with it.
 donewaiting
Joined: 7/16/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/27/2006 4:15:11 AM
These parades do not represent the majority of our homosexual population and simply give the right-wing something to feed off of. They are a disgrace to mainstream gay people and simply another example of freedom of speech being misused by extremists. I particulary hate their characterizations of the Catholic church in these parades, but so be it. This is America afterall, and I find these parades to be no more "out there" than the policies and actions of the current whitehouse administration.
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