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 RDtoo
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Out of all the conspiracy theories that we have heard over the years, which do you think is most likely to be true?
 Frrosty
Joined: 3/21/2004
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Posted: 4/3/2005 4:12:20 PM
^^

Very very plausible.
 RDtoo
Joined: 1/30/2005
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Posted: 4/3/2005 8:57:50 PM
Elwood, I did not say I was sceptical of any conspiracy theories. I do not know how you read that into my opening statement. I just asked which one people thought were most likely. I think quite a few of them probably are based in at least some truth.
 SLurpee
Joined: 9/15/2004
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Posted: 4/4/2005 8:55:30 AM
That the Plenty of Fish guys are working in conjuction with the CIA to create zombie sleeper agents through forum reading. The format of the 'Mind Control' will have to appeal the to the baser intincts of the targets, something in the neo-cortex maybe. There will have to be a three letter acronym bandied about in order to create a nuro-associaton with the aformentioned stimulus. Lastly, there would have to be picture of beatiful women displayed to....
 cat_in_hat
Joined: 1/11/2005
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Posted: 4/4/2005 9:11:22 AM

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the us didn't land on the moon
there were 2 shooters in the jfk assanination
the polka dot dressed woman was with surhan surhan when he shot rfk
marylin monroe was murdered and didn't commit suicide
a ufo did crash at roswell and the government covered it up
the cia killed jimmy hoffa
 cat_in_hat
Joined: 1/11/2005
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Posted: 4/4/2005 9:39:45 AM
<---- doesn't buy the hitler/bush theory. but then again i haven't heard that much about it. i think some of these things are plausible. we finally know area51 exists now.
 SLurpee
Joined: 9/15/2004
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Posted: 4/4/2005 9:58:41 AM
If you've ever watched the movie the coporation, there is an eyewitness account of the head of IBM dismissing concerns over nazi germanys use of their computers to manage concentration camps.
 Fid Copya
Joined: 3/31/2005
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Posted: 4/4/2005 10:29:19 AM
JFK was assasinated by three completely separate lone gunmen, who coincidentally shot him at the same time.

Contrails (sometimes called 'chemtrails') are flight path guides for UFOs.
 kadmus
Joined: 8/13/2004
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Posted: 4/4/2005 10:31:16 AM
Why do I have the feeling Fid believes more conspir. theories than just that... lol
 Fid Copya
Joined: 3/31/2005
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Posted: 4/4/2005 10:54:35 AM
http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc055.gif
 RDtoo
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Posted: 4/4/2005 9:06:43 PM
Remember that flight that took off from New York and exploded over the Atlantic several years ago? At the time a few eyewitnesses claimed to have seen a missle hit the plane. Their claims were quickly dismissed by authorities. Don't know if this became a conspiracy theory or not.
 cat_in_hat
Joined: 1/11/2005
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Posted: 4/5/2005 9:37:15 AM
i thought we were supposed to be talking about conspiracy theories. but here are a some more.


kurt kobain was murdered and didn't commit suicide
clintons aid, i don't remember his name, was killed
amelia earhart did make it around the world
elvis is still alive and working for the CIA
 kadmus
Joined: 8/13/2004
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Posted: 4/5/2005 10:31:37 AM

I believe I am right and all others are wrong even if your ideas are the same as mine in a different context!they are still wrong .


ditto -- though I still don't agree with you
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 4/6/2005 4:37:33 PM
Boy is it hot here. Just one or two thing about whether or not this "war" is/was about oil or not. Bush admitted he discussed "regime change" in Iraq long before September 11. The one thing Cheney's Energy task force couldn't keep from the press was a March 2001 map of Iraq showing the presence of Haliburton, Bechtel, Marathon, etc. Come on, two oilmen declare war on the country with the second largest known reserves of oil and the war isn't about oil? Deceptive suggestions contrary to known facts constitute lies in my kenning. We we're lied to Maj. Mike. How can any of you not admit Iraq is at the very least a horribly misplaced priority? The election in Saudi Arabia was a joke, those Wahabi are still getting lots of "government" money to fuel the seeds of hatred for the US. Where did 15 of 19 hijackers come from? What was the only quasi secular government in the Mid East? Other than Israel who in the Mid East hated Osama more than Sunni's in Iraq? We're selling planes to the Pakistanis, the same Pakastanis who's military gave Osama and his boys medical care? I supported Bush in our entry into Afghanistan and I of course support our troops wherever they are, but don't ask let alone expect me to excuse the President and the Administration for shamefully misrepresenting a purported threat.
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
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Posted: 4/7/2005 12:22:34 AM
Ok, I'll bite, Elwood.
Name the dictators we support and how we are going to get oil from them.
 Avatar000
Joined: 3/2/2005
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Posted: 4/7/2005 8:21:54 AM
Let's all be grown up and stop the personal slurs. Isn't it naive or even foolish to assume that there is only ONE reason Bush went to war? I don't know about anyone else, but I think if I were in his shoes I would need some pretty compelling reasons to risk the inevitable politcal heat which comes with that decision. Not to mention the economic costs of war, which so far have far outstripped any benefit from the oil. (BTW, if it was for oil, why am I paying $2.34 a gallon for gasoline?)

WMDs--one reason. Intelligence sources are not perfect, and yes maybe in hindsight the decision to act on them was wrong. But that IS hindsight. I would rather err on the side of national security.

Terrorism--another reason. There is considerable evidence from many sources that Saddam Hussein's regime funded and supported terrorism. What the actual situation was is difficult at best to know. Maybe the involvement was relatively minor, maybe not--but after 911 the gloves came off.

Tyranny--an oppressive, vile, abusive regime made it unlikely that diplomacy would have any effect (and diplomacy had been useless for 10 years, otherwise Billy Boy would never have authorized air strikes). Furthermore, the totalitarianism adds a moral impetus to other reasons. Enough by itself? Maybe not. But it can't be ignored. Yes, there are plenty of dictatorships around, and no we're not invading them--yet. You do have to pick and choose your battles.

The UN--Saddam was using the UN as political cover, and they were letting him do it. The UN passes many resolutions but enforces few of them. Many countries (including us) know this and take advantage of the fact. We are now in the peculiar situation of being ostracized by the UN for acting aggressively to implement its own resolutions.

If you add these things together, you may or may not believe they are enough to justify war. But you can disagree with it without automatically assuming evil motivations on the part of GWB. Maybe he just made a mistake. Presidents do that all the time.
 Avatar000
Joined: 3/2/2005
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:21:58 AM
As I said, trewq, you have to pick your battles. What works with one situation may not work with another. And let's be coldly honest about one thing: in some cases the cost of going to war far outweighs the cost of using other methods. North Korea is a case in point. Not only do they have actual nukes and chemical weapons, they have a huge, well-trained military with the will to fight--totally unlike Iraq. If we attacked there it would be a major conflict. To date it has not been worth the grief. Bush probably decided Iraq was the better bargain. Unfortunately he learned that while military victory is one thing, successfully pacifying a conquered land is far more difficult. Some would call it US bullying of a small country, but in reality it's a choice made on the basis of cost-benefit analysis. In this case that analysis turned out to be incorrect.
 Avatar000
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:38:43 AM
Oh, yeah, if you want to see the oild "profits" just go to the gas pump and pay $2.34 a gallon. You know, if we really went to war to get the oil, I want to see my cut.

Bullying--if a little guy threatens you, and you beat the snot out of him, does that make you a bully? If a little guy is beating his kids, and you toss him through the window, does that make you a bully? Nooooooo..... and if the guy is 6'8 and weighs 300 pounds and has a loaded gun pointed at you and you decide to back off for a moment to figure out the best way to deal with the situation, does that make you a coward? No, it makes you smart.
 scott 1
Joined: 4/2/2005
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Posted: 4/7/2005 9:40:38 AM
yes,north korea is a force to be reckoned with,but as I said in other thread,something
is going to have to be done about there nuclear weapons programs and their almost
certain sell-out to terrorist.That cost/benefit ratio may start leaning more to benefit.
 miss music
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Posted: 4/7/2005 12:36:04 PM
Most conspiracy theories require many people at all levels to be "in" on it and to keep it secret from the rest of us over many days/months/years.

I find that highly implausible.

Just think of how impossible it is to coordinate a dozen people at your next staff meeting. Then tell me that someone can coordinate hundreds of people in dozens of offices around the state, country, or world.
 Singlemaltgirl
Joined: 12/31/2004
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Posted: 4/7/2005 1:16:51 PM
missmusic, i know where you are coming from. most of the time, dealing with group dynamics is an almost insurmountable challenge.

however, if you take what trewq wrote and consider the huge amount of discipline required in the deployment of large masses of troops, such a thing can be done if a group of people are ordered to do so...and face (or are made to feel) serious consequences of not doing so.
 miss music
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Posted: 4/11/2005 11:58:24 PM

Well, how about the conspiracies that worked so well for so long to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods, or minorities and WOMEN out of certain types of jobs then?
...or anti-semitism in the US?
Aren't these simply examples of social norms that are blindly accepted and unquestioned? I don't believe these are conspiracies. It is a totally different kettle of fish from conspiracy stories that the US government faked the moon landings. It's a totally different kettle of fish from the FACT that the US government decided to use blacks as guinea pigs in their study of syphillis. I would call THOSE actions conspiracies.

BTW: Collusion is NOT a conspiracy. (Althouth I do agree with your statement that collusion does not require explicit communication. However, I would also point out there is still some form of communication. For example, various gas stations posting their gas prices and having a non-verbal agreement that they will match each other's prices)
 BulldogMedic
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Posted: 4/12/2005 12:05:21 AM

So you only pick on the little guy, like the school yard bully, eh?


Awww. :'(

Poor Saddam, he's just a wittle, itty-bitty guy, that doesn't deserved to be picked on. In trewq's world, all the thieves and muggers should be left alone, as long as their is one murderer loose. Those big, bad bullies, wanting to pick on trewq's hero like that! For shame!
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 6/15/2007 9:08:22 AM
Well, I've always been a believer that JFK was an inside job, ever since I started reading up on it starting in the early 70's. There were far too many people that hated him, people with no restrictions on killing anyone, and far too much money being lost out on, for me to honestly believe a "lone nut" killed him.

When you have people like the Mob and the intelligence community working together on other projects, and both despising Kennedy - it's not very hard to do the math.

There are normally coincidences in life, random things , that will always occur. In the case of the Kennedy assassination, those things start to pile up into mountains.

The E. Howard Hunt "deathbed" confession, which amazingly stays almost off the media radar totally even today, pretty much proves the my suspicions were right on target. The fact that it's stayed relatively unknown to the general public, proves that the same forces at work then are at work now.

We have someone who is directly linked to the intelligence community, a high level insider, who is confirming that JFK was killed as a result of a conspiracy. We know that these people has the means, motives, and opportunity to not only kill Kennedy - but cover their tracks.


That time in miami, with saint by his bed and disease eating away at him and him thinking he's six months away from death, E. Howard finally put pen to paper and started writing. Saint had been working toward this moment for a long while, and now it was going to happen. He got his father an A&W diet root beer, then sat down in the old man's wheelchair and waited.

E. Howard scribbled the initials "LBJ," standing for Kennedy's ambitious vice president, Lyndon Johnson. Under "LBJ," connected by a line, he wrote the name Cord Meyer. Meyer was a CIA agent whose wife had an affair with JFK; later she was murdered, a case that's never been solved. Next his father connected to Meyer's name the name Bill Harvey, another CIA agent; also connected to Meyer's name was the name David Morales, yet another CIA man and a well-known, particularly vicious black-op specialist. And then his father connected to Morales' name, with a line, the framed words "French Gunman Grassy Knoll."

So there it was, according to E. Howard Hunt. LBJ had Kennedy killed. It had long been speculated upon. But now E. Howard was saying that's the way it was. And that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't the only shooter in Dallas. There was also, on the grassy knoll, a French gunman, presumably the Corsican Mafia assassin Lucien Sarti, who has figured prominently in other assassination theories.

"By the time he handed me the paper, I was in a state of shock," Saint says. "His whole life, to me and everybody else, he'd always professed to not know anything about any of it. But I knew this had to be the truth. If my dad was going to make anything up, he would have made something up about the Mafia, or Castro, or Khrushchev. He didn't like Johnson. But you don't falsely implicate your own country, for Christ's sake. My father is old-school, a dyed-in-the-wool patriot, and that's the last thing he would do."

Later that week, E. Howard also gave Saint two sheets of paper that contained a fuller narrative. It starts out with LBJ again, connecting him to Cord Meyer, then goes on: "Cord Meyer discusses a plot with [David Atlee] Phillips who brings in Wm. Harvey and Antonio Veciana. He meets with Oswald in Mexico City. . . . Then Veciana meets w/ Frank Sturgis in Miami and enlists David Morales in anticipation of killing JFK there. But LBJ changes itinerary to Dallas, citing personal reasons."

David Atlee Phillips, the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami at the time of JFK's death, knew E. Howard from the Guatemala-coup days. Veciana is a member of the Cuban exile community. Sturgis, like Saint's father, is supposed to have been one of the three tramps photographed in Dealey Plaza. Sturgis was also one of the Watergate plotters, and he is a man whom E. Howard, under oath, has repeatedly sworn to have not met until Watergate, so to Saint the mention of his name was big news.

In the next few paragraphs, E. Howard goes on to describe the extent of his own involvement. It revolves around a meeting he claims he attended, in 1963, with Morales and Sturgis. It takes place in a Miami hotel room. Here's what happens:

Morales leaves the room, at which point Sturgis makes reference to a "Big Event" and asks E. Howard, "Are you with us?"

E. Howard asks Sturgis what he's talking about.

Sturgis says, "Killing JFK."

E. Howard, "incredulous," says to Sturgis, "You seem to have everything you need. Why do you need me?" In the handwritten narrative, Sturgis' response is unclear, though what E. Howard says to Sturgis next isn't: He says he won't "get involved in anything involving Bill Harvey, who is an alcoholic psycho."

After that, the meeting ends. E. Howard goes back to his "normal" life and "like the rest of the country . . . is stunned by JFK's death and realizes how lucky he is not to have had a direct role."

After reading what his father had written, St. John was stunned too. His father had not only implicated LBJ, he'd also, with a few swift marks of a pen, put the lie to almost everything he'd sworn to, under oath, about his knowledge of the assassination. Saint had a million more questions. But his father was exhausted and needed to sleep, and then Saint had to leave town without finishing their talk, though a few weeks later he did receive in the mail a tape recording from his dad. E. Howard's voice on the cassette is weak and grasping, and he sometimes wanders down unrelated pathways. But he essentially remakes the same points he made in his handwritten narrative.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/
the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt


If you've read a lot about Dallas, and you superimpose this new information over the existing story - it lines up pretty well. That's indicative , to me anyway, that the questions people were asking then were the right ones to ask.

The cover up was essentially quite simple - and brilliant.

Kill the king, and then control the information that comes out. It only takes a small number of people, and then some others that never realize that they are even part of something bigger. They are given instructions, and follow them, and in doing so stop any discovery of the larger plot.

Couple that with the American publics unwillingness to believe that their choice by secret ballot was eliminated by secret bullet (there may be conspiracies involved in assassinations overseas, but never in America ) , and it's willingness to all to easily accept "lone nuts" , and it's actually quite simple to pull off.

The proof ?

The people that did it, the real ones responsible, got away with it.
 RDtoo
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Posted: 6/17/2007 1:36:18 PM
Several years back CNN announced that an elderly person had come forward wanting to share film footage they had taken showing proof of a sniper on the grassy knoll. The person had stated that they had kept it secret all these years out of fear and now that he/she was old, the consequences did not matter to them anymore. That is the first and last time I ever heard anything about this. Does anyone know if this film was ever made public?
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