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 Flyers_Phan
Joined: 1/16/2005
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what dose of paxil were you on before you cut it down to 10mg? I never used to get the panic attacks when before i was on paxil, but started to when i went off. I find them particularly scary when they occur just after falling asleep and waking up from it. I try to think differently, to breathe differently when i have an attack. If that doesn't help, i resort to taking xanax which in all fairness does help, but its not a long term solution, just a short fix. You should get help with things and try to find the reasoning behind your panic attacks and anxiety.
 IgniteLife
Joined: 12/19/2005
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Posted: 3/26/2007 2:22:48 PM
I've had problems with anxiety for 8 years and the biggest issue for me is something called "ANTICIPATORY ANXIETY". With that said I have had a few all out panic attacks and now I just avoid those places or things I was doing when they happend....Thats what hurts the most. example. I just missed the birth of my first and only nephew.

The second I found out they were haveing a baby...I feared going there. Yea 9 months of anticipatory anxiety..It is sooooooo stupid...I should be happy for them and not worried about my BS....Never knowing if I was going to have a panic attack, just couldnt bring myself to take the chance. I did drive to the hospital.

As far as a "cure" or a way to "conquer" it is as simple as not thinking about it so much SIMPLE.......RIGHT..........

I have plenty of examples all not unlike this one that only people with a problem like mine would understand. Its not the hospital, its the risk that its happed there before and it might again that has destroyed my life.

I wish the best to anyone who has anxiety problems...Good luck.
 johnlvs2run
Joined: 2/23/2006
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Posted: 3/28/2007 11:23:58 PM
Good breathing practice can help to overcome these things, by maintaining the balance between oxygen and carbon dioxide.

Breathing too much o2 and washing out co2 buffers is a major problem with asthmatics and panic attacks. Panic attacks are mostly caused by improper breathing that upsets the o2 : co2 balance in the body. Notice people having panic attacks and they are breathing way too fast and overloading their bodies with oxygen. Asthmatics breathe 5 to 6 times the o2 of a normal healthy person who is breathing correctly. The body shuts down to keep the imbalance from continuing and save the person from dying. Notice when asthmatics and those with panic attacks get exhausted from the overbreathing and stop is when they recover.

I had asthma from age 3 to 5 and got rid of it on my own. My idea was to compress my lungs as much as possible and that this might open them up when I breathed normally. I tried this, blowing all the air out out out out out of my lungs, out out out out, then breathing normally and it worked. I practiced this all through grade school, never had asthma again and never any medications. Later on I practiced holding my breath which is another good remedy. You're not going to be overbreathing when you're holding your breath. Anyway, holding your breath and then breathing normally is good practice.

You can look up a method that is similar to mine and that helps to explain what is happening by looking up "buteyko breathing", or "diving breathing" on google. I have a great link that explains the process very well but am not sure if it is acceptable to post links on here. Practicing proper breathing can help to get rid of asthma, sleep apnea, and panic attacks.
 Flyers_Phan
Joined: 1/16/2005
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Posted: 4/17/2007 3:00:40 PM
stay away from benzos( zanex, valium, klonopin, ) they are highly addicting and end up making people more anxious in the end


if anything, i'd be telling people to stay away from antipsychotics such as seroquel. I mean, one suffering from anxiety is not pychotic, so i see no need to be on that kind of pill. I was on it because I couldn't sleep, it works well at that, but even at low doses, ya get the zombie effect, at least for me it did. Not to mention the potential to develop tardive dyskinesia from antipsychotic drugs, although it is much more rare with the atypical antipsychotics. As for the word of warning on the benzos, the tendency for abuse amongst people taking them for anxiety is mush less because typically we are given prescriptions for short term use, usually under 10mg. And the reason abuse does happen, for people prescribed benzos is because after time, they require a higher dose to get the same effect as a low does once had. As long as their is a thought out plan by your doctor, the chance for abuse is small, but still a possibility.

I've been on xanax for a few years now, some weeks I can go without it at all, other times i must take one or 2 pills a day. I'm not advocating pills but in the instance of antipsychotics vs benzos, I'd say benzos win.

Look into cognitive behavioral therapy, its is highly effective in treating anxiety related issues.
 Crash1967
Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 11/8/2007 7:17:58 PM
First to quote Krishnamurti -
"anybody who feels well adjusted in todays society has nothing to brag about."

I also second St. Johns Wort but only in tincture form. The capsulated herb is crap and takes a long time to work. The tinc will pass the blood-brain barrier much quicker and develop a good serum level in your blood stream way faster. It's also easy to make and pretty readily available.
 m409998m1
Joined: 2/18/2007
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Posted: 11/20/2007 9:20:39 AM
Serotonin re-uptake inhibitors are dangerous to get off of. They can actually cause more depression episodes if you stop cold turkey. For years you've been on them and your body has grown accustomed to this external influence of this medication.
If you feel as if you don't need them, go see your DR. Safely weaning off of a medication that controls the pleasure center of the brain can take a long time. It took several weeks to finally adjust you body to this medication; therefore it will take time to stop taking them.

I often wonder if there's an alternative to stress, anxiety, and depression medication. Similarly I wonder if there's something common in our early life vaccinations, or something in the way food is enhanced with preservatives that renders so many people with this affliction?

Millions of people are on all types of medication. It's common and astounding to find out how many of my close friends, family, and co-workers are on some kind of behavioral medication. I too take a very low dose of Lexapro and want to stop taking them.


I've read and am reading about diet and vitamin supplements, specifically the benefits of minerals. Over farming in just the last 200 years have limited the surface of the earth’s minerals that should be in our food. Pesticides, livestock anti-disease inoculations, and feed may play a big role towards this issue also.

I know I've very food sensitive. The amount of salt and preservatives in foods can sway my mood dramatically. Therefore I stay away from those that cause an ill affect.

Quick definition of Serotonin
Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that plays an important role in the regulation of anger, aggression, mood, sleep, sexuality, and appetite. Low levels of serotonin may be associated with several disorders, namely increase in aggressive and angry behaviors, clinical depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), migraine, irritable bowel syndrome, tinnitus, fibromyalgia, bipolar disorder, and anxiety disorders.
 mwmoriarty
Joined: 11/16/2007
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:44:14 PM
I have had problems with anxiety all my life but didn't know that until recently. I am prescribed a mild dosage of Atavan by my doctor to take when needed but I am trying to instead use a self-help system initiated by Dr A Low. I attend weekly meetings where we give examples of events that bring on the symtoms and help each other 'spot' (point out) how we were able to help ourselves and add more ways we could have applied the principles of this self-help system. The group is non-profit and named Recovery International. We meet on Mondays between 11:30 am and 1:00 pm at the Church on the corner of Maitland and Dundas and on Wednesday evenings from 7:30 pm ~ 8:30 at the Church the corner of Commisioners and Pond Mills. For more info call Jean at 519-455-6664
 hollymackeral
Joined: 3/15/2007
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Posted: 2/28/2008 12:56:18 PM
Regular exercise has been proven to be very helpful in reducing anxiety and depression.

I recommend yoga and it's philosophy of "Calm the body, calm the mind." With a dedicated practice, you may find greater peace.

The breathing techniques taught in yoga can be especially effective against anxiety.
Certain yoga postures promote relaxation; others promote the release of emotions.
 trillium0
Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 28
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Posted: 3/31/2008 5:49:32 PM
My niece had panic attacks at night. She went to alot of doctors. She finally went to a sleep lab. It turns out she would stop breathing in her sleep. She would wake up and have a panic attack. She had surgery, she stopped not breathing in her sleep and her panic attacks stopped cold. I don't know if this is at all common but I thought I would mention it.
 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 29
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Posted: 4/1/2008 2:04:10 PM
I have suffered from depression and social anxiety for most of my life. Drugs seemed to do much more harm than good. The sexual side effects alone were unacceptable to me. Perhaps if I were a monk with no sex life and no interest in sex, or a eunuch, then maybe those drugs wouldn't have been as bad. I feel, as others have said, that natural methods are better than drugs to alleviate the problem. Omega 3 fatty acids can help alleviate depression, not sure if thats been mentioned yet. Something that helped me with anxiety is deep breathing and meditation. Of course you can't do that just anywhere, you can really only do it when you have some level of privacy.
Something I would also like to add, if I can't get enough sunshine(most people don't), I at least make sure I am getting at least 1000 I.U. a day of vitamin D.
Something else I think thats worth mentioning is hormonal imbalances can potentially cause psychological problems, so get your hormones checked(and get it in detail, don't just test plain testosterone and estrogen, get free testosterone and DHT checked and estrone, estriol and estradiol checked.
One other thing, I think mercury poisoning can cause psychological problems, from eating too much seafood(such as tuna)or from mercury amalgam fillings(often called "silver filling which are around 50% mercury). When I can afford it, I am going to an IAOMT fully accredited dentist and have them removed and replaced with a safer type of filling(which is the best and safest alternative, I am unsure) Check these links for more info
http://www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett6.htm
http://www.iaomt.org/articles/files/files193/The%20Case%20Against%20Amalgam.pdf
http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/81/2/354
 satx78218
Joined: 10/30/2007
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Posted: 4/1/2008 4:15:29 PM
I mentioned in the other thread the ancient ayurvedic herbal ashawaganda.

I keep reading reports where very healthy diet and lots of exercise helps a lot people as much as any drugs. I'm sure you've seen that. Certainly can't hurt.

I don't have anxiety/panic attacks, but if my glucose gets too low, I really feel bad, lots of negative, black thoughts. I'm feel rough, uncomortable, agitated (baby wants feeding!). Sometimes even light-headed. This happens with no hunger signals. When it sneaks up, it takes me a while to figure it out. Getting the glucose up with a handful of fruit or other food is a very clear and fairly rapid relief, minutes. You absolutely don't want high glycemic intake (sugar, candy, white bread, softdrinks, donuts, alcohol) at that point, since it will send the glucose way up rapidly, which is preparing for a crash. We all feel better after a good meal than before, huh? That's glucose.

So I'd say eating well to stabilize glucose, no big peaks/troughs. Glucose normally varies all day. Cinnamon powder and fenugreek seed powder are two herbals that supposedly help stabilize (not suppress) glucose.

If you're having a bad moment, it might be interesting to check your glucose with a glucose meter. If your glucose is 60-70 or lower, that could be part of the problem, maybe a trigger. Have a few strawberries, canteloupe, honey melon, mango, guava.

I also suggest trying to eat so your more alkaline that acidic.
 satx78218
Joined: 10/30/2007
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Posted: 5/18/2008 11:53:44 PM
Anxiety has biochemical results, all negative.

Cortisol, serum lactate, etc are elevated.

Like all hormones, cortisol is very powerful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

One of the first lab studies of TM was to show that TM caused blood lactate to plummet within a couple minutes of starting to meditate. Brain waves of various frequencies went up in intensity, left/right lobes synchronized, and waves spread from the back of head forward. The same kind of results as Zen monks of 20-years practice, but better!

So if anxiety is pushing up your lactic acid, then eating an alkalizing diet would help to neutralize the acid and perhaps reduce the anxiety.

Anxiety and depression are of course related. They've shown that anti-depressants work no better than placebo for 98% of people.

Therapists have begun to treat these mood disorders by recommending aerobic exercise, which really works. Aerobic exercise causes lactic acid as muscles metabolize glucose from the liver but a healthy, fit body, specifically the liver, quickly metabolizes the lactic acid to glucose, stored again in the liver as glycogen.

" The increased lactate produced can be removed in a number of ways including
* oxidation to pyruvate by well-oxygenated muscle cells which is then directly used to fuel the citric acid cycle
* conversion to glucose via the Cori cycle in the liver through the process of gluconeogenesis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid

And of course, exercise (and meditaiton) helps you sleep better, longer, and that's always good. Pranayama (breath) also helps.

Shallow breathing, using only part of the lungs, weak diaphram and thoracic muscles, inhibits full CO2 exhaust, so CO2 can be too high. CO2 causes the blood to be ... acidic. Fit, full-capacity lungs expel CO2. Plenty of oxygen in, all the CO2 out.

yawn, same ol' same ol', diet and exercise fix (and prevent) just about everything.

"DRUGS are not the answer"

yep. natural stuff, herb and plants like raw chocolate, ashwaganda:

http://www.healthmegamall.com/prodView-Life-Extension-Optimized-Ashwagandha-Extract-Stimulant-Free-60-vegetarian-capsules_p19663_aff1574.htm

natural medicines are still medicines. Better:

"Let food be thy medicine, let medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates
 AAuroraAA
Joined: 8/18/2007
Msg: 36
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Posted: 5/21/2008 11:02:49 AM
Bach Flower remedies are awesome for things like this. Particularly the blend called Rescue Remedy. For more info see: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/724765/treating_anxiety_disorders_with_bach.html

These are safe to use with other medications.
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