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 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 1
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Brendon nelson today admitted a major reason for the Invasion of Iraq was to secure oil production and energy recources for the world.

First we got a nationwide speech about WMD that never existed and the evidence presented to us has been proved a lie or deception.
Then it was links saddam had with al-queda which turns out never existed but quotes from bin laden went like this "socialist Infidel" in describing saddam.

Now its to secure oil production for the world.

Please correct me but isnt that oil Iraq's and its up to iraq to decide what happens with it not us?

Isnt it murder and pillaging considering whats gone on and is and the new justification nothing short of an act of agression?

Or because we got bigger guns dosnt law and and possesion count anymore?

Live with it Australia we are war mongering greedy murderers.
 Avocado
Joined: 5/21/2007
Msg: 2
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Posted: 7/5/2007 3:43:57 AM

Please correct me but isnt that oil Iraq's and its up to iraq to decide what happens with it not us?
quite right OrsirisII I agree totally.

The reason for invading Iraq, that I tend to believe, is that Saddam was planning to sell his oil in Euro's, rather than US dollars, the effect from this would have been catastrophic for the US economy & taken away a lot of American influence in the region at the same time. If other oil producing nations followed suite, the US economy would have collapsed.

Just Google ... Saddam-Iraq-Euros
 Avocado
Joined: 5/21/2007
Msg: 3
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Posted: 7/5/2007 4:07:43 AM
Oil of Ulan has changed to Oil of Olay... Why??
is this an age old question?
or an old age question

That may stir some more interest OrsirisII

Google Olay Biscuit Barrel
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 4
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Posted: 7/5/2007 5:41:17 AM
Ive heard alot of conspiracy therioes on the Iraq occupation but until I see various forms of evidence I tend not to belive or rate.

All I know is we get headlines from commercial news channels but no substance on whats going on, the only substance has all proven a deception.

And we are at war with millions as refugee's ,over a million casulaties and over 2 billion bucks of our tax payers money spent and we know nothing and only have been decieved by our goverment.

A democracy only is a democracy with informed citizens and we are not informed.

We sit back not careing because it dosnt effect us,well the Iraqi's resisting just hit England after one of the COW leaders left office,one suggests they are trying to effect policy now the aggressors gone.
We are an aggressor and have a similar circumstance coming and those in britian wernt nutters or mildly intelligent people they were scientists (doctors) and if that dosnt tell us something we truly are an ignorant lot.
 Brizguy_2007
Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 5
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Posted: 7/5/2007 6:11:51 AM
Blah Blah Blah.....And those innocent people your scientific geniuses planned to kill were guilty of what was happening how?

Terrorism is a disgusting and filthy crime against humanity.

You're posting about people who were going to kill innocent people as though they were heros......Give me a break. That's Pathetic...This is a dating site being used by you as a place to push your propaganda......

How many people were killed in Iraq or by Iraq prior to the invasion. Was it more or less than it is now.....
 OleTimeMusic
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 6
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Posted: 7/5/2007 6:32:46 AM
we need the oil, they have it...if they dont wanna sell it..... we go get it, simple
 Avocado
Joined: 5/21/2007
Msg: 7
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Posted: 7/5/2007 6:54:22 AM
Ole time music or Fun in Geelong whoever ... China needs coal, Russia needs Uranium so they should just come in & take it too because Australia has great reserves of both.

What I read in OrsirisII 2nd post is...
a) The media divulges very little about what really goes on.
b)Australia has a similar stance on the war on terror as the UK making us just as much a target for terrorist.


Terrorism is a disgusting and filthy crime against humanity
I totally agree


How many people were killed in Iraq or by Iraq prior to the invasion. Was it more or less than it is now.....
??? you tell us
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 8
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Posted: 7/5/2007 8:02:40 AM
My, my, what juicy subject matter. The story is so long it tends to make a coherent reply difficult to construct. I shall attempt to be succinct.


Brendon nelson today admitted a major reason for the Invasion of Iraq was to secure oil production and energy recources for the world.


Always has been. But it was never something that the West wanted to admit to. We are after all, supposed to be the good guys. We don’t steal the natural wealth of our neighbours we trade for it. Sounds a lot more civilised, doesn’t it, even though it is far from the reality?


First we got a nationwide speech about WMD that never existed and the evidence presented to us has been proved a lie or deception.


Well, yes but the proviso is: the lie or deception was on behalf of the US Intelligence Agencies whom moulded data to suit the political agenda of their supreme commander. President Bush, in his foolishness in seeking “closure” for his fathers incomplete Gulf War 1 and probably a good splash of rivalry, rushed in where Angels fear to tread.

Our Intelligence Agencies warned the Prime Minister that they had no proof of any WMD and neither had the UN Weapons Inspectors found any proof of WMD. John Howard, who was in Washington on The 11th of September and saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon from his hotel room window was more than likely overwhelmed by all the emotions of WAR so much so that he chose to ignore that advice. Full of hubris, he enacted the provisions of the ANZUS Treaty bypassing Parliamentary debate and despatched Australian Soldiers into war.


Then it was links saddam had with al-queda which turns out never existed but quotes from bin laden went like this "socialist Infidel" in describing saddam.


Yes. More fabrication from the spin-doctors of the USA. The facts are known that there was an intense dislike between Saddam and Osama that would probably rival Hawke and Keating or more appropriately Costello and Howard. Yet again, Howard chose to ignore advice from his own Public Service and it was all the way, with the USA.


Now its to secure oil production for the world


According to his Defence Minister, yes. But Howard has publicly rebuked this and his holding fast to his claim of supporting the Iraqi people and their fledgling democracy.
I think that as the election day gets closer, the government is loosing its tightness and becoming lax, less restrained in it’s uniform approach to nauseating spin. Are we witnessing the very beginnings of “apple crumble” as the government fragmentises?


Please correct me but isn’t that oil Iraq's and its up to iraq to decide what happens with it not us?
Isnt it murder and pillaging considering whats gone on and is and the new justification nothing short of an act of agression?


Under normal circumstances, yes. But there are so many parables to this one. Enough to rival Jesus’ didactic allegory.


Or because we got bigger guns dosnt law and and possesion count anymore?


Vladimir Putin once said, “There is a new bred of diplomacy moving throughout the world today, it is known as American Military Might”
I have always believed that the days of clubbing your neighbour over the head and then dragging his woman by the hair screaming to the back of your cave, are well and truly over.. Pretty much says it all.
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 9
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Posted: 7/5/2007 8:29:05 AM

You're posting about people who were going to kill innocent people as though they were heros


its our money that has created complete and utter anaracy in iraq and we do nothing to question those who spend it.
we are not innocent.
Hero's??? there lifes stuffed they stopped being human to deliver what they belived to be resistance to those in power who are not behaving like humans,nothing heroic about it and id like clarity on where i say there heroes.


This is a dating site being used by you as a place to push your propaganda......


please provide credible evidence that im pushing properganda.

I can produce pages of evidence about the untruths pushed on us to justify the war

or are you to politically or racially biased to put away your belife system and thus label me to justify my opinion?


And those innocent people your scientific geniuses planned to kill were guilty of what was happening how?


Tell me all the kids bodies from iraq pictured all over the web, how were they guilty?

I dont for one minute agree with attacks on civilians from anyone but this is a war we started without need or justification and resistance to that is not terrorism.

we view it politically and from inside our own square and its pethetic we scream on three incedents that are puny compared to what we cause every day in Iraq.

Go investigate some of the shi'ite militia's operating in Iraq and there actions from inside the goverment and religous wise we forcebly put in place .

If this is a "dating" discusson area only then why hasnt this thread been deleted? If im publicising properganda why hasnt it been deleted?
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 10
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Posted: 7/5/2007 8:31:25 AM
Chiny thanks for standing outside the square and looking in.
 Leatheryman
Joined: 3/10/2007
Msg: 11
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Posted: 7/5/2007 9:02:28 AM
Oil For Food kickbacks never sounded so good if you ask me.
 OleTimeMusic
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 12
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Posted: 7/5/2007 9:04:10 AM
the sooner hydrogen and fuel cells get into full production, oil will fortunatly become an irrelevent comodity, what little there is of it left.

i just regret at my age i am too old to see the day when shares in oil are worth less than toilet paper.
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 13
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Posted: 7/5/2007 9:09:14 AM
Oldtimemusic as long as we got water we can wash our bum but no water we cant make toilet paper and the world survived very well without oil for thousands of years.

But the Murray was never in danger as it is now.
 OleTimeMusic
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 14
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Posted: 7/5/2007 9:20:17 AM
osirisII, that is very true, and its all cos of the scurge called globalization, and politicians in bed with oil cos.

we have had the technology to use hydrogen for the past 50 years, in the last decade the cost hasdroped greatly, and mass production of fuel cells would see them cost LESS than a internal combustion engine.
 CavesBeach
Joined: 12/19/2005
Msg: 15
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Posted: 7/5/2007 12:09:55 PM
to be fair: No war was ever promoted by one factor alone..

my fave guy in the whole wide world is Dic.k cheney, secretary of defence 91, he called the shots ( so to speak)
as secretary of war, HE hired a company to see if private companys would be of use as contractor's to rebuild the oil wells and pipelines... this company was called "halliburton".

halliburton recommended that private companys would be better suited than the military to rebuild oil wells and pipelines. then it recommended itself to be hired to do the task.Dic.k cheney hired them, and guess who became CEO of "halliburton" ??? go on, have a guess !!Cheney got the job. AND was awarded MULTI- BILLION dollar contracts from the military.

and when they rebuilt it all, they knocked it all down again, so halliburton was set again with task to rebuild it all.. talk about slick !!!

Its now wonder IRAN have built nuclear weapons, they hold %40 of the worlds oil reserves...they seen what happened to old mate across the road get put over a barrel.
trouble with IRAN is they actually do have WMD's.....and they will use them too.thats why they are left alone.for now.
 Brizguy_2007
Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 16
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Posted: 7/5/2007 3:14:46 PM
I will admit I have never been to the Middle East....At the same time, I have never wanted to go and still don't have the desire.
From what I've seen or heard over the last 40 years, the whole region is in a constant state of war with it's neighbours....

How often do you see hordes of fanaticals running through the streets with AK47's blazing, and people being killed over the fact that they have a different religious belief than their neighbour.

So, it seems to be that if you shoot, murder or maim your neighbour in the name of religion, then it's sad but OK....That's life in the Middle East, however, if there is a war over oil, then it's a crime against humanity. Talk about hypocracy....

What about Israel....How would you feel if every one of your neighbours wanted to have you wiped from the earth because you have a different religion....I'm not siding with Israel, but from the outside looking in they do seem more "civilised" than their neighbours.

The whole middle East is an area ruled by men with guns, knives and bombs...And the most ruthless wins and rules.......What they are REALLY pissed about is someone has come in who has bigger guns and a more sophisticated means of using them....

I'll never forget the twin towers...I feel an affinity with other western civilised nations and you killed my neighbours....innocent people doing their job, feeding their families....working hard without a religious agenda....You can cry "oh woe is me" all you like....But let's look at history and not put blinkers on.

WHat nation or region did the murderers come from at the German olympics?
What nation or region have the highest rate of plane hijacks from the 1960's up to date?
What nation or region have the highest rate of terrorism?

What nation or region did those doctors come from that were planning to murder innocent people...And you say what about the dead people of Iraq...This is small compared.....Two wrongs don't make a right my friend....When you denounce terrorism and stand up as a nation or region in outrage about what your fellow countrymen are doing will I even begin to look at you as a civilised people or race.


Until this happens.....I say we play by YOUR rules....Our soldiers should throw away their uniforms, hide amongst your people and use the biggest bombs available.

I agree wholehaertedly that the west made a HUGE mistake by going to war in this region.....Not one soldier should be there.....In my opinion, ONE big bomb should have levelled the whole place and start again.....I'm so tired of your fanatical beliefs...I've been hearing it my whole life.
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/5/2007 7:02:20 PM

How often do you see hordes of fanaticals running through the streets with AK47's blazing, and people being killed over the fact that they have a different religious belief than their neighbour.

That started about the time Christianity got going,every one forgets a decade ago the christians in bosnia ethnicly cleansing muslims.



So, it seems to be that if you shoot, murder or maim your neighbour in the name of religion, then it's sad but OK....That's life in the Middle East, however, if there is a war over oil, then it's a crime against humanity. Talk about hypocracy....


Your rationalising this whole issue on every country in the regions or groups past behaviors yet your avoiding all the foriegn armies to opress this region way back before jesus of nazerth's time.
Thats hypocrisy,



What about Israel....How would you feel if every one of your neighbours wanted to have you wiped from the earth because you have a different religion....I'm not siding with Israel, but from the outside looking in they do seem more "civilised" than their neighbours.

Firstly everyone does not,only Hamas who are being pushed out from within palestine and by us call for there destruction,its not about different religon anyway.

Secondly what has this to do with us? What has it to do with the Iraq war? Your clearly labelling a culture and it aint pretty.




The whole middle East is an area ruled by men with guns, knives and bombs...And the most ruthless wins and rules.......What they are REALLY pissed about is someone has come in who has bigger guns and a more sophisticated means of using them....
This is civilised? we claim to be a democracy and free and all that crap yet we do this because apparantly they do?


I'll never forget the twin towers...I feel an affinity with other western civilised nations and you killed my neighbours....innocent people doing their job, feeding their families....working hard without a religious agenda....You can cry "oh woe is me" all you like....But let's look at history and not put blinkers on.


Your rationale is quite clear "1 muslim group does something and every single one is painted with that brush".

News flash 9/11 had nothing to do whatsoever with iraq,her oil,her regime nothing.


WHat nation or region did the murderers come from at the German olympics?

Black september committed that incedent, And your at it again labelling,not a "civilised " trait.


What nation or region have the highest rate of plane hijacks from the 1960's up to date?

Are you implying Iraq? or you labelling again?


What nation or region have the highest rate of terrorism?

Ever heard of the IRA? or the seperitists in spain? apparantly theTamil's in Sri lanka are terrorists and there enemy is muslims. Are you implying iraq again?


.
.And you say what about the dead people of Iraq...This is small compared.....Two wrongs don't make a right my friend.


Such a pity you didnt think of that when you wrote whats above this statement.



Until this happens.....I say we play by YOUR rules....Our soldiers should throw away their uniforms, hide amongst your people and use the biggest bombs available.

Ever thought there doing that and playing by our rules? ever bothered to learn about the foriegn and mostly European Armies who ruled these lands for centuries and the locals lived in oppression?

I get quite strongly from this post that since Christians have recently commited Genocide towards various other religons its perfectly justifyable to return the favour to any christian in anyway linked to them.
yet who i get this from cry's foul.
 Brizguy_2007
Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 18
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Posted: 7/5/2007 7:29:41 PM
I'm not Christian...Why are you presuming that?....Again it's all about religion....The christian crusades were wrong as well....Take out religion and it seems to be a happy world
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
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Posted: 7/5/2007 7:50:12 PM
it was clear in your post that because they are muslim they deserve all they get whether completely innocent or not, i was pointing out that the same should go for christians if thats a"civilised" idealogy.
 serenex
Joined: 11/3/2006
Msg: 20
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Posted: 7/5/2007 8:13:31 PM
Forget all the above jargon brendan nelson made the predictable why we are in iraq statement which usually comes out every 6 months........The next reason he will give is to protect "habibs persian carpet emporium"
 my nick name
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 7/5/2007 10:52:32 PM
Saddam was actually conforming to the un WMD demands on him.
He was and we were manipulating the oil for food deals but everyone found that exceptable until the COW wanted to invade.

His army had no ammo for a war, he was actually quite vunerable to the syrians and Iranians. he never publicly acknowlaged he gave in to the Un as one threw stubburness ,two you dont tell your enemies how weak you are.

The shi'ite goverment in Iran was an enemy, Saddam Sunni running a shi'ite majority country. Now with being as weak as he was Iran could of walked straight in to iraq, the Shi'ite population chances are would of fallen into line and the Iranians then would have more oil than anyone and a stones throw from isreal.

The iranians say not very nice things about isreal and make it clear they dont recognise her status as a country.

I really sometimes hope that is why weve created the anaracy threw invading so not to let Iran have iraq and thus keep isreal relitivly secure.

But for that to be justifyable in anyway Iran must of been planning to take Iraq.

We in the 80's fully supported Saddam when the last shi'ite extremist goverment in Iran started causing shit, he went to war with them so as not to let them get strong enough to stir up the shi'ite majority in iraq.
we backed him big time infact theres famous photos of him and rumsfield meeting.
 Shoal
Joined: 11/24/2006
Msg: 22
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Posted: 7/5/2007 11:57:01 PM
The following isn't totally - subject, but does have string attached~
Friday July 6, 07:03 AM
Aussie bomb victim grills PM in ad
An Australian woman injured in the 2005 London bombings will appear in a television advertisement asking Prime Minister John Howard whether those attacks and the latest terror plot were linked to Iraq.
Louise Barry spent three months in traction with a broken neck, shrapnel wounds and burns after being caught up in the bus and train bombings that killed 52 people in London.
Ms Barry conceived and wrote the commercial, funded by left-leaning group GetUp!, which will screen on Sydney on the second anniversary of the blasts, Fairfax reported.
In the ad, Ms Barry tells Mr Howard: "You got us into this mess" and "it's your responsibility to get us out".
"The situation clearly is not getting any better. I don't want what happened to me to happen to other Australians or anyone else for that matter," she says in the ad.
Mr Howard visited Ms Barry in hospital in London, days after the July 7 attacks, when she embarrassed him by asking if the bombings were linked to Iraq.
Now back in Australia, she continues her grilling of the prime minister in the commercial.
"The recent attacks in the UK brought back some really painful memories," she says.
"Wasn't going to war in Iraq supposed to make us safer, not put us in more danger?
"I don't have all the answers and I'm not an expert, but I do know something about the real cost of terrorism."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070705/2/13wn2.html?f=mv
 NewWine64
Joined: 6/30/2007
Msg: 23
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Posted: 7/6/2007 4:16:15 AM
I would just like to say that i am a christian and i disagree with what is happening in Iraq and the people there and the invassion making out wmd was the answer for going to war. This sort of proganda has been going on for centries whether it had to with religion or not. When the first europeans invaded this country was it over religion? no it was not.

It was about finding a large prison outside of 17centry England to relocate their mass covict problem and also colonizing the idealisum of the then superpower which was the british.The british never asked permission to the Indigenious population here whether they could set up some where in peace to settle their convicts.

The king of England at that time said if their is any race of people on this land they the explores of that time was given serious instructions to ask the Aboriginal people if they could borrow parts of this land.This did not happen why because the Aboriginal people werent as civalized enough by eurpoean standards to communicate with them.So the explores returned to England and lied to their King that this land was Terranullus ( as in no human in habitants) which led to the Invassion of this land and the mass generside that followed and other in human laws to hide the truth behind the lie to their king.

The King of England eventually found out through other sources from other country men not of their own but by that time which was near the 18th centry he was to late to do anything about it so denied it to save face. Now to this day the indigenous culture here is a fragment of a rich culture but still a culture fighting for their rights. What Im getting at here is what is happening in Iraq now is another Mirror of Western Occupation that has invaded another country which to in their eyes the Iraq people is a uncvilized race of people who have no idea of how to rule in this so called modern day world so it is up to the so called West to rule these people and manage their natural resources.

The West has not changed since the Roman Empire and true Christianity realy has nothing to do with the Jewish religion or even that of the cathlics which were known for most of the Crusades and the cause of millions innesent Arabic and Persian peoples death. True Christians were murdered by the Cathlic Church if they stood against them. Thats why you have different Christian Doctines today because those who were of the True Christian Faith would not give up. Religion is Man rules an traditions and church is greek for body as in body of people has nothing to do with a building its just a place where a body of Christians gather you dont have to be religious to believe in God.

For anyone to say Christianity is to blame and have know understanding of Jesus Christ and his teachings have no idea what they are talking about. Even Christ was against the rich and religious and self rightous in His day. It is written in the Bible that it is Easy for a Cameral to go through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. These words are from Christ Himself.
 Leatheryman
Joined: 3/10/2007
Msg: 24
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Posted: 7/6/2007 4:52:22 AM
^^^Just one question NewWine 64.

If the British didn't "invade" this continent, how do you think the Japanese, or any other "invading" force from anywhere else in the world would have treated the indigenous population?

I realise this has nothing to do with Iraq or oil, but all the forum threads in the world aint gonna solve that great heap of messes...
 pinky68
Joined: 7/14/2004
Msg: 25
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Posted: 7/6/2007 5:54:00 AM
osirisII, the majority of people in English speaking countries are the victims of expert spin given by the politicians and the media. They can be convinced quite easily to form any opinion which the politicians require, thats why so many people in AU, US and UK fail to join the dots and have an educated opinion.

Here is how a western democracy works:
The politians want the people to be stupid and afraid. That way they can more or less do anything. The media and the education system is taking care of the stupid issue.
The people are afraid to do anything serious apart from marching. Just because there might have been a march against the war doesnt mean the government should stop, the people cant do anything more, they cant go on strike because they have to work to pay off loans.

Dont be offended by peoples ridiculous opinions, they are programmed to be that way.
Great eh??
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