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 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 2
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I think it should be legalized. I've never patronized a prostitute, but it just makes sense to take sex for pay out of the hands of organized criminals and regulate it. Right now, we have white slave rings throughout the USA, Europe, etc... but legalizing it would make those who own the businesses legally responsible for the kind of business they run, force them to have better working conditions and involve the public health services, who could tax the businesses for revenue.

It would be far better for everyone involved than what we have now.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 9
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Posted: 3/11/2008 10:00:36 PM


I understand what you are saying, especially economically, it makes sense. Consider this please. I find it hard to believe that a woman turns to prostitution for any other reason than desperation, desperate for drugs, to support a child, for food, for love from a pimp, etc. To sell her body to feed that desperation, and then to have it sanctioned by the government for profit just seems morally bankrupt.

Well... the government is morally bankrupt already *LOL* nothing lost on them.

I mean: they bombed 3 million southeast asians to death, gave saddam hussein biochemical weapons to gas kurds with and lied for a reason to start a war. Prostitution isn't exactly the straw that broke their camel's back where morality is concerned, yaknow?

Consider that if prostitution were legal, pimps wouldn't be able to beat "employees". The employees would be protected by Occupational Safety standards. There would be some standards of hygiene involved in the activities. The relationships between workers and management would be out in the open.

It would put white slavers out of business...
 cncgandolf
Joined: 7/29/2007
Msg: 22
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Posted: 3/11/2008 11:59:56 PM
Prostitution is already legal in Nevada. Is it working there?

A report today said that 25% of girls 14 to 19 have had ad least one STD. Of that group, 50% of girls 14 to 19 of Afro-American decent have has at least one STD.

You cannot legislate morality effectively. Insufficent methods of control.

Is it right? It objectifies women. Turns them into a piece of meat to get off on ... or men in the case of male prostitutes. that deminishes all of us. Will you stop people from treating each other badly? Not with laws.

Can you tax and semi control it if you put it under government control. A bit. Again, check out how Nevada is doing.

A male in a relationship with me going to a prostitute is a deal breaker.

Gandi
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 26
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Posted: 3/12/2008 11:28:38 AM


I am pro-life. I feel that it is totally wrong for an abortion to be performed, regardless of how many weeks along it is, etc. HOWEVER, having said that, I also do not for a second feel that the GOVERNMENT has one single right or justified place in making rulings on this either!!!!! Hence, while fundamentally I'm against the concept in practice, politically I end up on the 'right to choose' side of the fence. It's one of those issues where I feel the goverment has no right to dictate behavior, but however, I even realize that this stance leaves people open to making mistakes, or rather responsible for their own triumphs too.

I'm pretty much in line with this myself.
Exchanging a human life in return for the eco/social advantages of being childless doesn't seem like a right thing to me; but you can't keep a person from getting an abortion any more than you could keep them from picking their nose; so it's pretty much up to the individual. Even if you could enforce laws against it, you'd wind up with another 3 million people in jail as a result (and their doctors too!), so it's practically impossible.
Ditto prostitution.
Why do we have cops busting hookers, johns and weed dopers when we can't apprehend murderers, identity thieves and God knows what else?

It's a waste of resources.
 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 27
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Posted: 3/13/2008 3:57:47 AM
I'm also with O4 on this.

What's the main difference between caffeine and cocaine? Caffeine is legal. If other "addictive" drugs were legalized, taxed, and properly labeled, most people could regulate their own intake. Hospital patients on morphine are now routinely given control over their own dosage, and only a very few abuse it. It is only a very few who don't want to lose the morphine as soon as the pain goes away.

Some of the money from the taxes could go to rehab programs for abusers. In a legalized environment where sex work isn't stigmatized as "immoral," it will be far easier for workers to save up for a career change because there won't be a stigma forcing them underground and into "the life."

I know that there is a big charge on prostitution for women. Few things are worse than calling a woman a "whore." But what's hard about that isn't so much the sex, it's the sense of betrayal that attaches. Males hate "whores" because of the fear that their sexuality will be used against them--the only arena where males are allowed to be vulnerable.

The stigma of "immorality" reminds me of purdah--the Arabic custom of making females go around with bags over their heads so that males won't be tempted. I can think of few things more degrading to both genders than that.

If someone feels that providing sexual gratification to another person in exchange for a gratuity is degrading, sex work would not be a good line to go into. If someone is desperate and we all agree to drop the stigma so long as the person plays safely, getting out of an economic jam would seem like a respectable-enough reason for those who do go into it. No one looks down on coal miners as immoral even though they rent their bodies out in very nasty circustances.

Since there is some risk involved, it needs to be licensed and regulated, and I'd rather have someone do that whose boss I can vote out of office if need be.

Barbe, I can totally relate to the "ick" factor. It is a very nasty business. However, if that's the only basis for suppressing it, I just don't think it's enough. Have you any idea what goes into the process of making leather for those divine shoes you swoon over?
 JadeMuse
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 30
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:17:54 PM
cncgandolf....

Prostitution is already legal in Nevada. Is it working there?

YES...
...according to the T.V. documentary "Cathouse"(2002 ),(or #2, the next year) HBO went into the legal brothel that is the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada and Showtime took a closer look at prostitution in "Penn & Teller: Bull$hit!" (2003-?), the reasons why it is illegal in most places are invalid arguments.

In the places where it is illegal in the U.S., it is physically dangerous to be a sex worker, health care is poor, and she/he can end up very easily dead and broke at an early age.
In the brothels where it is legal, the worker is protected, weekly health screenings are mandatory, they thrive, and make a ton of money.

I found it interesting to note that the sheer incidence of STI's were so much lower in these legal brothels than in the general population of sex workers because of those mandatory health screenings.
And, if I recall correctly, incidence of STI's were actually lower in those legal brothels than in the general population as a whole, but don't quote me on that one...
When is the last time you had an intimate encounter with anyone and asked to see their clean bill of health paperwork?

Now, I would never date someone who frequents prostitutes, but I wouldn't accept my S.O. going out on dates with other women or men, either.
 JadeMuse
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 32
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:48:51 PM
That's right, Luck.
You are all suckers...
And, don't forget to leave a BIG tip!
....Bend over and take it like a man!
The world makes prostitutes of us all, one way or another.
 Miss W
Joined: 12/4/2006
Msg: 33
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Posted: 3/13/2008 1:00:54 PM
^^Isn't that the truth?
Heck, I've always believed that since temporary and employment agencies are legal, so should prostitution.


" -gas for a midnite drive $20"
That's all?? It cost me $36.00 the other night to fill up my modest Corolla. Is your ride a moped or motorized skate board per chance?
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 35
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Posted: 3/13/2008 6:02:16 PM
... but then in other countries, there is a much larger amount of legalized prostitution Americans would find undesirable... like very young children, white slaves, etc, etc... things that would probably not happen in the US if it was legal because there are huge criminal penalties for those types of behavior.

I still think it should be legalized, but I think it should be heavily supervised and taxed to pay for itself.
 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 39
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Posted: 3/14/2008 1:40:55 AM
Bob,

That was so right on!

I'm going to make a catty remark because I can just hear our fellow poster muttering "Liberal" under his breath and refusing to learn a thing.

When thinking things through becomes a vice to be derided, you have to wonder. Are the conservatives who can't bear to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with them the cons or the conned?
 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 43
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Posted: 3/15/2008 8:28:14 PM


Lastly I didn't even utter the words liberal


Every once in a while I am thoroughly pleased to be proven wrong.

Arrogance in any form deserves to be brought up short.
 socal_Tom
Joined: 9/4/2007
Msg: 46
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:19:34 PM
I hope spitzer gets taken down hard
 JOSHSKORN
Joined: 1/3/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 3/21/2008 9:49:52 PM
Personally, I feel that anything that is 'considered' a crime which doesn't actually cause harm to another person (or won't in the future), should be legalized within our country. Some of these laws inevitably end up filling up our jail cells with victims, not criminals. How many people actually go to a prostitute just because it's illegal, just for thrills, expecting to be imprisoned? Probably not. We're probably dealing with a group of people that are seeking paid erotic services simply because they can't seem to 'get laid' (like myself, but I've never even, nor would I ever use a prostitute), or want to intentionally cheat on a girlfriend or spouse (like ex Governor Spitzer) due to unsatisfactory conditions within a relationship.

I understand there's definitely a moral issue with prostitution. Since when has the government started regulating our morals? One word: TELEVISION! Enough said.

There are other laws I feel we shouldn't have but I don't want to get too far off topic.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 53
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Posted: 3/28/2008 9:17:40 AM
As one who knew two men who were last seen with an illegal hooker before they were found murdered, I think legalizing prostitution is good for many reasons.

Not that I would ever patronize one. Even women who are in love with guys are known to fake it. I don't think I could bear trying to get it on with someone who's thinking of lunch or a reply to someone she was chatting with online before I came into the room *LOL*

Even watching porn movies with jaded ladies who are burned out and don't enjoy it anymore don't turn me on. That's the last place you'd find me.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 55
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:08:02 PM
Interesting to crunch numbers about ligalized prostitution...
I wonder how much they charge?

Figure in that half the street prostitutes are guys in drag.... at least that's what they say about the Tenderloin area in SF and Telegraph/San Pablo/Broadway hookers in Oakland/Berkeley.

I would imagine the same is probably true in Socal.

If I was thinking about spending money for sex (which I'm not, though, as I said above), I should think the safety factor would dictate (no pun intended here ) that I would spend afew more bux and go the legal route.

I wouldn't want to be on the street with some guy getting into my car shoving a gun in my face and saying "hand me your wallet".
 matchlessm
Joined: 11/11/2007
Msg: 61
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Posted: 3/28/2008 9:35:43 PM
Someone's probably pointed it out already, but prostitution's been legal forever in Nevada. I don't favor making it legal in general because I'm in the market myself--never have used their services. But I don't see why any state should make it a crime to agree with someone to exchange sex for money. It's obvious we should make SOME kinds of agreements illegal ("OK, Rocco, here's the deal--that fat weasel Sammy still owes me five big ones. One of 'ems yours, if you collect it all--and then introduce his kneecaps to that piecea pipe you got, just so he don't forget me.")

But when you've got two willing parties, and they're not agreeing to harm anyone else, what's the big deal? To say that the wife will be harmed isn't very convincing, because husbands don't need prostitutes for that. They're quite capable of hurting their wives even worse by having wild, emotional affairs with other women. And I'm not sure those women are that much less likely to pass along some terrible disease than a prostitute would be.
 714oc
Joined: 10/11/2007
Msg: 62
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Posted: 4/4/2008 6:53:06 PM
i am an easy going person that does not let much bother him. but when vice and prostitution is brought up it seriously gets under my skin. i am getting pissed writing about it. someone wrote "it's her's to sell and his to buy". sums it all up!!! i get mad when i think law enforcement puts it nose in peoples private buisness. takes their car's publicly humiliates people and they walk around like they just caught a big trophy. it is none of their (law enforcement) buisness. wasting time, money , man time everything. these laws were made in a much more conservative period.
if anyone we elected had a half a brain they would look at the buisness end of it. other countries have huge profit margins from it and they are clean and respectable establishments. girls and guys are tested regularly pertection is used and it is done safely. no harm no foul? and if they (law enforecment) were really protecting the community they would legalize it. in countries where prostitution is legal the criminal rape against women is 0.1%. none!! the domestic violence against women last i read was 2.0% of crime. 13% lower than ours. so what is the laws really saying.
as far as the cheating part goes. if you can not fess up to what you do maybe you should not be doing it.
 nameismarcus
Joined: 2/21/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 4/5/2008 2:59:10 PM

It raised a profound question in my mind. Why is prostitution illegal and adultery not?
Why have the Bible thumping, Pro-Life, Anti- Gay Marrage, crowd not introduced one law against adultery?


I agree with this.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 65
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Posted: 6/6/2008 10:46:17 AM
It works in Nevada...
 sjenner
Joined: 3/29/2008
Msg: 74
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Posted: 6/8/2008 8:51:08 PM
My stance is to legalize it all and regulate it: drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

This would cut crime in half overnight and the taxes would pay off the national deficit.

People will always use drugs enjoy gambling and hire prostitutes. Might as well solve the whole issue and cut a bite of crime.

Prostitution is legal in many countries overseas and marriages actually last longer and divorce is less than in the USA.

Not saying that I would necessarily use a hooker but it should be legal.
 eye4light
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 75
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Posted: 6/8/2008 11:04:29 PM
Now that we're all grown up, who cares what other consenting adults do in their private lives?

Just don't hurt or lie to anyone who may be in your life. Be good to and honest with your loved ones and save your wrath for things that matter - poverty, hunger, crime, war, ants invading your kitchen, fruit flies around that old banana on the counter, having to re-do your laundry every week...that kind of stuff.

 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 81
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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:04:49 AM
Point well taken, O4.

The problem with criminalizing consensual behavior that violates no one's rights is that those who participate have no legal recourse when a deal goes sour. Without access to legitimate law enforcement, people either continue to be victimized or start taking matters into their own hands.

The point of legalizing prostitution among consenting adults is not that exploitation or trafficking would magically vanish, but that those who are victimized would be able to call upon legal authorities to put a stop to it. And, the legal authorities would be in a position to distinguish between what is consensual and what is criminal.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 83
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Posted: 6/5/2009 2:31:33 PM
I'm not interested in the service, but I can't see why this state shouldn't legalize prostitution. Or, certain cities or counties could make it an infraction, subject to fines only. I don't believe government has any business making crimes out of victimless agreements. For the same reasons, I'm also in favor of repealing most drug laws.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 84
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Posted: 6/5/2009 3:07:45 PM

America will never legalize prostitution because of it's puritanical cultural background.


I don't know what you mean by "America," but there's never been any U.S. law against prostitution. The Mann Act was probably the closest thing. And prostitution's been legal for a long time in some Nevada counties. I also don't know about your claim as to Deep Throat, but state governments have the right to define and prohibit obscene speech. Congress has many members right now who are prostitutes themselves, and in a much worse way than any hooker.

I believe puritanism in the U.S. today survives mostly among so-called liberals. And it's directed not at sex, but at anything these people view as a transgression against their new sacred cows, e.g. health, the environment, and pet minorities. The most extreme ones are a homegrown Taliban, and no Salem witch hunter was ever more zealous or narrow-minded.
 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 89
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Posted: 6/5/2009 11:35:20 PM
Okay Ace, I'm back from my research and reasoning 'hiatus'......I'm really quick that way. Today I can give in to 75/25 or so, but that's the best I can give today. Maybe there's more to give tomorrow......


Hmmm ... So what's the sticking point for you?

Someone told me a while back that people tend to equate behavior that is disgusting with behavior that is immoral. There are some disgusting behaviors that are also immoral, but not all. Whenever I have trouble distinguishing right from wrong, I try to see if I'm using morality to justify my disgust. If so, I really don't have to because disgust is a matter of personal preference that I am perfectly entitled to. However, I am not entitled to prevent others from behaving in ways that I find merely disgusting. If they aren't violating my rights, or each other's, I have nothing to say about it.

So no, I will never stick a needle in my arm to get high. But the only thing I have to complain about when someone else does is if they put anyone else at risk while they're under the influence. And while I might recoil at the idea of paying for sexual pleasure, unless the parties leave a mess behind or pass along a disease to others, and as long as they keep it among consenting adults, it's none of my business. I don't want to know, and I can't imagine why anyone else would either.
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