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 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Raising Tariffs To Foreign Trade May Come To Benefit Us Unexpectly
Posted: 6/23/2018 11:03:38 AM

Negotiated? Trump is allergic to negotiating, because it means he might have to compromise, and that's a no-no to Trump.

I'd take it a step further. Firstly, I haven't seen the results of any negotiating. There has been none with respect to a wall, tariffs, DACA, medicare, etc. There have been attempts at bullying, which have resulted in pushback, but bullying isn't negotiating. I don't believe Trump actually knows how to negotiate. His tactics used in his private businesses may have been effective to a degree, however, in the position he's in now, it seems as though he has flip-flopping ideas that he simply throws out there like spitting in the wind, with no constructive pre-thought policies or abilities to negotiate because he simply does not understand the nuances of each, doesn't care to, and then leaves the fallout or cleanup for everyone else (those who do/can understand the subjects) to take care of for him - he's simply incapable.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6596 (view)
 
You can't judge a book by its jacket, so try to Be Best
Posted: 6/23/2018 7:43:34 AM
So now the talking point being brought up again is to decriminalize drugs in order to attempt to: stop or significantly slow the drug trade - that creates the gangs - that causes the violence - that creates the reason for South Americans fleeing their countries - that has caused the latest U.S. policy - that has seen "refugees" being detained and separated from their children. Portugal is being touted as an example of a decriminalization programme that seems to be working for them:

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.yV1Cn97lE

Would it be a possible solution for the States/other countries as a supply/demand solution that would slow the refugee/illegal immigration problem? Or would it not work, being that there is too much of a problem with what could already be deemed a "legal" drug problem the States has - meaning the over-prescription of opioids being trafficked by big pharma through medical practitioners - that has helped to a large extent the unprescribed addiction problem that has created the need for the illegal drugs coming from the countries where a lot of the drugs are being produced and causing their own problems?

It reads like The House That Jack Built.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
POF SHUT DOWN THESE BOARDS
Posted: 6/22/2018 10:03:50 AM

Only my third post. Cannot edit. I noticed that this thread was up for deletion. Who did that? How the hell do you think you are going to vote off one of this guy’s threads if he decides he wants it to stay? How the hell are you going to accomplish that when he has so many profiles? As soon as he sees it is up for vote all he has to do to prevent it from being deleted is log in and vote with enough of those profiles to make four votes not to delete it.

That's funny - cuz either way he stays or comes back under a new name. Everyone knows this. The voting to delete is likely just an in his face form of protesting that he's bellyaching yet again.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
POF SHUT DOWN THESE BOARDS
Posted: 6/22/2018 7:23:50 AM
They used to have block user here. I could certainly go for that again. You'd eventually have no one to talk to and the results would be the same as if you left of your own accord - without everyone in the meantime being subjected to walls of text in thread after thread of you talking to yourself about YOU being shut down over and over again and admitting to deleting others - which is the very thing you complain about.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6577 (view)
 
Donald Trump Won't Last The Full 4 Years
Posted: 6/21/2018 8:09:04 PM
^I haven't heard those figures, being that there are 2,300+ being reported t this pint, unless you're talking about over a longer period of time and that's some kind of accumulated figure. Unaccompanied children aren't turned loose to run the streets of the U.S, at least as far as my understanding goes. Maybe you can clarify what you mean by that.

As far as the area where Melania she saw the kids, it wasn't a surprise visit - as a matter of security, facilities are forewarned of impending visits, even on relatively short notice. Kind of like the "surprise" visits by the big bosses coming to do an inspection at a business. It may have been one of some nicer facilities but there are now some not so nice stories coming out about treatment at some others. What a fiasco. I just hope it doesn't taint the kids to the point where they hate your country if they can't be reunited with parents that actually brought them there - it leaves the potential for being recruited by MS-13 because of the psychological damages/anger.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6574 (view)
 
Donald Trump Won't Last The Full 4 Years
Posted: 6/21/2018 6:50:27 PM
Being that she wasn't on the same page as her husband with respect to the explanation about the coat, I'd wager it was more a message to him than to the press. If she was any kind of instrumental in getting him to (pretend) to change the policy by doing the fake EO that didn't change anything in his typical flip flop manner, I would imagine there were some pretty heated private arguments on the subject of child separation/detention. She doesn't strike me as being uncaring at all...she just doesn't have the freedom to openly tell her husband he's a douche in public but it's probably a message to him nonetheless. I think she's telling HIM she really doesn't care about HIM...nothing to do with the press. I wonder if we'll ever get the story from her after his death or if the family will have the truth hidden forever.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6569 (view)
 
Donald Trump Won't Last The Full 4 Years
Posted: 6/21/2018 3:19:02 PM
I agree there should be a sunset clause. Too many products/services change quickly nowadays for it to remain the same in perpetuity. I’m mixed on whether it should be taken to a referendum by each country’s citizens, however, because too many individuals don’t understand the economics of their own lives, never mind on a tri-country level to make an informed decision. As soon as an agreement is reached, the experts in their fields would/should start working on what they’d like revamped for the next agreement, with tweaks along the way during the five year period.

A contract renewal deadline should be imposed like there are with worker unions (six months), with the threat to withdraw if someone’s lagging or being unreasonable. Unfortunately, Trump has little understanding of the give and take of surplus/deficit concessions and his isolationist-type minions are too willing to be yes men, even if they could present it to him so a grade school child could understand it. The upside is he can’t be in power forever, so there’s some kind of hope for good times for all on this continent when it comes to free trade wheeling and dealing in the future.

vvv They sure aren't the most sensitively aware people, are they? Other than that, I wouldn't hold it against her...their lifestyle has made them impervious to anyone but themselves. At least she tries to be best.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6492 (view)
 
Donald Trump Won't Last The Full 4 Years
Posted: 6/21/2018 10:11:35 AM
Ugh...and there he is again on TV whining and lying. The Time magazine should have transposed the head of a coyote on top of the little crying girl holding a dripping knife because, apparently, the current problem is not the separation of children from parents, some of them thousands of miles away with no concrete documentation linking the children to their parents, but twisted into being coyotes, child traffickers, no wall that I promised the koolaid drinkers, and MS13 individuals. I know MS13 said they were going to send younger recruits into the States, but somehow I don't think tiny children crying for their mother are the recruits Trump keeps alluding to - or maybe infants and young children doooo scare him (I can see where that may be possible, considering his now adult sons in particular)!

More crap about the Dems being obstructionists and wanting open borders (can't say I've ever heard them say or infer that's what they want), yadda yadda and then finishing off by saying his EO that didn't need to be an EO is limited - but not explaining in what way. Funny how his attempt at coming across angry and tough just leaves him coming across sounding dumber than the previous day. With the number of days he's been in the position, that makes him pretty damned dumb.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6486 (view)
 
Donald Trump Won't Last The Full 4 Years
Posted: 6/21/2018 6:54:20 AM
Re 6484: Who knows what causes one journalist to choke up at one particular human indecency on air over another. Other than putting the question to her directly so she can answer for herself, perhaps it's a case of being overwhelmed by ALL of it day after day and particularly on home turf - the drug epidemic, the suicide rates, the homeless, the inadequate medical coverage, over-taxing, over-spending to participate in more wars to cause more death and destruction to innocents such as in Libya by any party in power in any particular time - a culmination of atrocities both abroad and then particularly at home.

The alternative is that she shouldn't be bothered by the treatment of the children and their parents ostensibly being used as pawns by this particular president to use as blackmail in order to appease his base to get votes in the future - who are notably NOT mostly "Mexican infants being temporarily taken from their mothers" but those who have escaped countries where they fear for their lives in a number of cases, only to be faced with more fears of losing their parents/children. Maybe the author should contact her and ask her what overtook her about this and not Libya on any other particular day - then he can get back to us with the response he got. At the same time he can ask conservatives why they are so enraged - or other notables world wide.


Trump tweeted this Wednesday afternoon: 'Had a great meeting with the House GOP last night at the Capitol. They applauded and laughed loudly when I mentioned Mark Sanford. I have never been a fan of his!'

That it was called out as yet another lie is simply more proof that this deranged individual hears and sees things that aren't there due to mental incapacity. That his followers don't see it speaks to theirs.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6477 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/20/2018 5:50:16 PM

https://globalnews.ca/news/4283134/canada-migrant-families-children-detention/

Read the WHOLE article regarding detention. Not that I expect you will understand it.

Of course there are problems with our system and there are cases of abuse of our First Nations people. It's equally as disgusting as attempts to deflect the current situation in the States by the usual and expected whataboutery. It's not perfect here - no one ever said it was, however, Canada's Prime Minister, as flakey as he is, isn't attempting to DELIBERATELY victimize those who are already victims, and especially not on the grand scale your disgusting excuse of a president is doing. That you are attempting to support this is very telling, but not surprising, given your posting history on this subject and others. The world is watching and reacting.

Waiting for Cohen to spill - maybe Trump thought his EO would placate him. I'm not thinking so.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6475 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/20/2018 5:27:09 PM
Well, it turns out the Executive Order that didn't need to be an Executive Order was the cracker I expected it would be, and to boot, the Liar-in-Chief, claims this Executive Order is changing a 60 year old law "Nobody knows this". 2,300 children still being put through more anguish because of this fvcktard, screw up, waste of skin, racist trash, wanna be dictator. Perhaps he will choke on a burger and no one will be around to perform the Heimlich maneuver...one can only hope!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6469 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/20/2018 9:36:11 AM
^There's a difference between "will" sign something and "is" signing something. That's like the difference between saying you will eat something and are eating something - and will what you "eventually" eat be a cracker for a day or daily nourishing meals in the long term? I call lip service under pressure with no great plan before, during or after his shoot from the hip decisions - like the NK dilemma being solved...pffft So if this executive order is to keep families together, his negotiating tactics suck, just like his NK visit hasn't "solved" anything. He's taking a beating behind the scenes because the GOP is running scared - more scared - because of this latest bully tactic. What a dork. The vast majority of people aren't as fricking stupid as his die hard koolaide drinkers. They realize that he starts the fires and then puts them out in an attempt to look like the hero. It won't soon be forgotten.

It's Meuller time! Hopefully Cohen has something that will make the GOP stand up and have a backbone instead of their current jellyfish attitude.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6466 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/20/2018 8:55:37 AM
Yes, NYer, you'd feel much better for those poor kids if they faced the death of their parents or themselves, or at the least incredible other hardships, if they stayed where they were. Look up the definition of asylum seeker or refugee - enlighten yourself, if at all possible.

How many more people are required to be hired to look after children and infants when taken from their parents and at what cost, as opposed to keeping them together while they go through the same process? Doh, maybe it's a make work project!! Trump's all about money and yet he's so willing to throw it away, hand over fist, when it comes to this and an ineffectual wall, which has a starting cost of $16B which, as most government things have a way of doing, is only bound to increase astronomically over time.

Between your tax cuts for the wealthy, increased military spending, trade wars, under filled jobs, to name a few, your country's headed the way of Trump's casinos, foundation, university, etc., with your citizens left holding the empty bag just like those who got shafted with his casinos, foundation, university, etc.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6442 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/18/2018 3:17:09 PM
If this isn't a warning sign of what Trump and his chicken chit party are capable of, nothing will do the trick. What a pathetic excuse to get a wall to placate the deplorable of his base - hold children of all ages hostage. They've already been through so much (as have many of their parents) and this can't be good for permanent psychological damage to the generation they're a part of. New plan I guess...if you can't solve the problem, be part of the problem.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1960 (view)
 
Israel
Posted: 6/17/2018 12:40:27 PM
The point is that you are still obsessing when those you are obsessing about aren't even here...and yet you say you don't give them a thought. You are not self-aware despite your protests to the contrary. It reminds me of my kids when they were about 7 and 8 and squabbling. They'd promise to stop the stupid behaviour with a "but he or but she" at the end of the stated promise. I knew it was a learning process for them at that age. Apparently that's a lesson you failed. To continue the behaviour doesn't make you more right...and I know you couldn't care less if you're respected, so no need to mention anything in that regard.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1957 (view)
 
Israel
Posted: 6/17/2018 11:21:45 AM
Post 1943 warrants repetition. You're getting far more than tiresome from thread to thread with your obsessive behaviour. Perhaps a self imposed break for yourself is once again a valid suggestion. I can't possibly be the only one  sick and tired of the troll-like behaviour. Gawd!!! Enough already!!!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
We lost another to suicide
Posted: 6/17/2018 5:52:58 AM
News flash, NYer. All individuals who commit suicide make the decision to "check out". It's estimated that 50% of individuals who abuse drugs and or alcohol suffer some form of mental illness. I find your callous comments about Anthony Bourdain rather troubling in itself. Your country has an extremely high incidence of both substance abuse and mental health issues that cross all socio-economic classes, ages and races which also manifests itself in the high crime rate and abuses to others, including but not limited to murders, be it mass or otherwise. An individual, any individual, who commits suicide commits the ultimate abuse to one's self. A lack of empathy is also a form of mental disorder.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 24 (view)
 
We lost another to suicide
Posted: 6/16/2018 8:43:57 AM
^WTF are you going off the rails about now? Did you start drinking earlier than usual today?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
The Cows Goes Moo..
Posted: 6/15/2018 7:40:55 PM
It's definitely an honest question but if you expect an honest answer, you'd be sad!y mistaken. Perhaps I'm being too harsh though... it's more likely they can't discern the difference, being so swept up in the cult of deplorability.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6375 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/15/2018 2:56:29 PM
lol..."my people"?? OMFG Well, I guess his sheeple do sit up at attention when they're not bending over, don't they. Everyone else just shakes their head and laughs at both him and his sheeple (or worry what mayhem he'll cause).
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 241 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/15/2018 9:00:58 AM
If I could be bothered, I'd look up your post requesting she drop it and not stalk you blah blah blah. It's just incredibly ironic...or is that moronic.

vYou were being blasted off here frequently before your recent spat with each other, so you have no way of knowing who's responsible for it happening now. More irony is the fact that you admit to having her booted and bemoan the fact that you think she's doing it to you. I would put forth that these are the petty reasons for the forums losing people the past few years - walls of text that only the spatters care about even when one of them isn't responding back. Past a certain point, take it to private messages with each other or take your own advice not to respond. Sounds pretty simple to me.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 20 (view)
 
We lost another to suicide
Posted: 6/15/2018 8:55:51 AM
Well there ya go. That settles it. Now your government can cut funds regarding drug/alcohol addiction programmes and research because, so what, they're all just statistics, famous or not. It'll save Trump all kinds of money to put toward his wall building, along with what he'll save by not having "war games" and eventually taking your military off the Korean Peninsula. It's indeed a chicken/egg scenario determining if people turn to drugs/alcohol due to depression or vice versa. It's a given that drugs/alcohol can cause depression which too often leads to death by suicide or other reason, such as death by cop or vehicle, after killing innocent people while in a stupor. However, I'm betting a ton of them may have been nasty people at some point in their lives despite their addictions, so no big deal, right?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 238 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/15/2018 8:18:08 AM

What do you think 47...

A new phenomena - stalking in absentia. Imagine that!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
The Cows Goes Moo..
Posted: 6/15/2018 8:12:00 AM
^Speaking of fake Christians... Sessions wasn't responding to Acosta when preaching from his pulpit. It was Acosta asking Sarah Sanders about Sessions preaching. If you can't get your facts straight, don't risk making yourself look foolish. No wait...you didn't risk it.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 3 (view)
 
The Cow Goes Moo..
Posted: 6/15/2018 6:05:21 AM
...and yet another example of using a bible to hide behind to justify bad actions. At least in this case others are citing other examples from it to counter the hypocritical use of it. Either way, you can see there's an attempt to not keep that separation between church and state, but the opposite. Bible thumping at its finest when a podium is being used as a pulpit by a charlatan.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 228 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/14/2018 5:22:57 PM
This time when pages went missing the name pink.floyd stayed on the off topic main page for hours.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 196 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/14/2018 3:45:21 PM
...and yet his cult members wouldn't believe he'd do the same thing while in office, dealing with other slime from other countries.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 177 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/14/2018 10:18:23 AM
https://www.thoughtco.com/why-is-abortion-legal-in-the-united-states-721091
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5352 (view)
 
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/13/2018 8:25:58 PM
^Wellll, that being the case, the Nobel Committee is once again erring with respect to what it's supposed to be about.




Due to its political ideology and interferences, the Nobel Peace Prize has, for most of its history, been the subject of controversies.





Since March 1901,[3] it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

The Peace Prize is not supposed to be about it's members attempting to facilitate their hopes of strengthening a candidate for an award for future possible events but for what the candidate has actually done. No doubt, if this is their hindsight with respect to Obama, they're definitely attempting the same bullfvckery (a word designed specifically with you in mind Ms. April) with respect to Trump. There's nothing like bringing two nations close to the brink of war and then making like the savior by averting a war and them anticipating a award for such behaviour. Isn't that like awarding an arsonist attempting to be the hero by putting out a fire he, himself, started or at the very least put a well placed fan in front of?? hmmmm?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6277 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/13/2018 5:41:32 PM
Re 6275: I don't have a "group think" hat on. That I happen to agree with a number of others who dislike/hate Trump on the board is no different than an obvious large number off the board the world over. I watch and listen to what Trump, himself, has to say...not what others tell me he's said or how I should think based on ridiculous conspiracy theories, the Kellyanne Conway spin doctor types and his cult followers who somewhere along the line lost the ability (if they ever possessed it) to think critically and for themselves.

I have stated before that if Trump manages something good with respect to NK, that's a good thing, especially for Kim's own citizens who are devotees of the Kim bible. However, all he's managed to do so far is act "somewhat" more diplomatically than he did prior to this photo op overseas. He had to reel it back because he was coming dangerously close to the potential of having many people (including fetuses and other innocents, including your friends and relatives) being blasted on your own soil. Other than the potential for being accused of being the actual cause of a war and wanting to be a recipient of a prize, he's a man of nefarious ulterior motives - generally to line his own pockets. That's (almost) fine when it comes to his own business dealings, however, he's a servant of your government at this point in time; one the majority of individuals would fire if in their private/corporate employ. What too many fail to realize is that what he does/says, has an impact on the rest of the world. If that weren't the case, the world wouldn't pay attention to his ridiculous antics, other than for a good laugh, and you all could suffer the consequences of being the authors of your own misfortune (well at least his cult followers).

I don't side with trash, period. Take that whatever way you wish - you're going to anyway.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Nevada pimp Dennis Hof wins GOP primary (owner of BunnyRanch)
Posted: 6/13/2018 1:21:51 PM
So many reality TV stars (in their own minds) and so few political positions. Gotta love the (im)moral majority and their constant flip flopping about their high morals. Trump the ***grabber, Hof the brothel owner, so on and so on. Hypocrisy abounds - or is it just a new age GOP (Goat-like Old Perverts)?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6272 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/13/2018 1:04:55 PM

President Trump saying: -Let me show you how it's done... Liberal Losers!

Yes, yes!! He is showing how it's done to be a loser. Finally, he's right about something!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Feminist Bookstore Closes From Lack of Sales, Blames White Men
Posted: 6/13/2018 1:00:21 PM
^Funny the names people apply to others such as feminists/feminatiz...flame baiters, etc.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Feminist Bookstore Closes From Lack of Sales, Blames White Men
Posted: 6/13/2018 7:57:48 AM
..or, the world isn't full of feminatzis who are lurking around every corner, as the OP is so deluded about, making (white) males' lives miserable.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5347 (view)
 
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/12/2018 10:35:01 PM
Nobel Peace Prize for President Moon Jae-in. Nobel Putz Prize for Mad King Trumpty Dumpty. Moon has been the most instrumental as a go between for peace between many. Trump has been instrumental in bringing the US to the brink of a threatened missile hitting its shores and catering to, praising and salivating around despot dictators. At this point the Mad King has had a major photo op and left the clean up to others insofar as coming up with actual agreements with any kind of meat on the bone. Why he leaves them to others??...because he lacks the intellect to understand the complexities of what he spouts off about before he spouts off.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/12/2018 3:09:38 PM
Well, it's not Friday yet. Trump and Kim change faces as often and quickly as the weather changes in Alberta. You're still looking at a 50/50 proposition with no substantive agreements to anything as yet.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6259 (view)
 
i'll give Trump credit, he reached the level of Carter in 1994
Posted: 6/12/2018 2:45:42 PM
Lol...well I can see the likeness between Trump and a BOB...both are artificial pricks only good for screwing a person.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/12/2018 2:31:13 PM
If it's your god who's been guiding him to date, it's a case of the blind leading the blind.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 86 (view)
 
Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un
Posted: 6/12/2018 11:07:27 AM
Well let's hope others who understand what it takes to do more are of sound mind and that Trump will listen to them. Maybe the meet and greet will have opened the door for something actually substantial...but I'm not holding my breath, being that he likes to be a one Pony show. The alternative is to go back to where everything was...and probably worse because Trump can't control himself when it comes to bombastic rhetoric.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6247 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/12/2018 4:16:26 AM
The only ones he's used any Vaseline on are those who've slid so far up his butt they can't see the light of day. There are virtually no commitments and there are no timelines with respect to denuclearization. Who was the kid here? One has three generations being dictators fooling the States and the other was an incompetent dying to get a peace prize at any cost.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6235 (view)
 
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 6/11/2018 7:18:50 PM
Hard to say what will transpire. It's worthy to note, however, that Trump was touting the G7 as a 10 rating...until he was a safe distance away. I wouldn't trust his "take" on anything but rather wait to see what others have to say (not his surrogates or lackies).
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 198 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/11/2018 2:26:26 PM
I...don't...care...if...people...are...religious. I...have...a...problem...with...people...who...use...their...religion...as...a...shield...to...hide...behind...to...support...whatever...they...do...when...it...affects...the...lives/livelihood...of others. They can take solace in believing a shoe brings them all kinds of contentment and is their raison d'etre so long as they don't smack others up side the head with their shoe.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 196 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/11/2018 2:05:58 PM

but I know you won't let this go Charm....for some reason you think this is a viable issue somehow...maybe because it helps to support your ridiculous and non-supportable religious arguments?

Bullshit. First, for someone who purports to make a living doing what you do, you either have an unusually low ability to comprehend/follow the flow of original arguments OR based on your purported manner of livelihood, it's your practice to travel off the topic in an attempt to convolute and support your own invalid arguments. In the forums you apparently state what you "believe" to be facts and then state that when you're in the forums you can't be bothered with facts, just your opinion. You rock - we have another Trump in our midst. Does your hand shake when you collect your cheques?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 191 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/11/2018 1:08:54 PM

because look what might happen to those who might be born. Too fuking much...and this is a logical argument?

Going back to YOUR argument about circumcision where YOU took it when it was originally being argued about regarding religious practices, isn't that the same thing? Give an infant a circumcision because of what MIGHT happen to his penis later on in life? Too fuking much...and that was a logical argument??
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 179 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/11/2018 12:10:49 PM

We all die...but why is murder a criminal act? I think it is because someone chose to intentionally, and without good grounds, take the life of someone else. Who in the end has that right?

...and yet millions die in the name of any given religion, intentionally, without good grounds...

vvv


bull charm....millions die because of a barbaric, land grabbing, power hungry mankind. Religion rarely has anything to do with it, but it's a good talking point for the left.

Tell that to the religious, not me. Which is precisely what I've been stating all along. All kinds of atrocities committed in the name of one's religion - religion being used as an excuse to hide behind - and yes, right down to the original reason given in a book of a god (man) as the reason for, get ready for it, circumcision (aside from today's medical pros and cons of it which became another topic all on it's own by YOU). Get with the programme.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 146 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/11/2018 11:28:03 AM

If any Religious should be vilified, it should be those who believe God will take care of the sick and therefore shun advanced medical treatment for their children.

Isn't the above mocking/denigrating someone's religion? That's their "belief" that they've cherry picked as part of their word of god (word of man) and part of their practice. You are disagreeing with it and vilifying it on a public message board. You can't have it both ways.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 130 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/10/2018 2:50:34 PM
A simple Google search brings up tons of links to Christianity and opposition to abortion, with at least 11 people being killed in the States in relatively recent history. It's definitely not just an "opinion" by the morally bereft thumpiest of the Bible thumpers. That's just with respect to using religious beliefs regarding atrocities committed with respect to abortion. When it comes to other issues such as minorities, gays, Muslims, the numbers climb. Religious "opinion" indeed.

That's just Christians and just in the States. Add all other religions to the mix and all the atrocities committed in the name of said religions worldwide and it's apparent that it's used by many to hide behind while sanctimoneously spouting righteous indignation at others not of their faith. Don't get me wrong, there are also many who use their beliefs for good works, not always in an altruistic manner, but I'm not so sure history has/is proving that religion is as beneficial to the world at large as some people would like to profess.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6222 (view)
 
will he get played like a hamstrung fiddle?
Posted: 6/10/2018 11:03:04 AM
Trump isn't "acting" like the crazy guy. As for planning it, he apparently doesn't plan, even though he's said he's been planning his whole life for it??!!. This is much like him saying he'll be able to tell how things are going to go in the first minute with Kim but he can't even tell who the best people are for his own administration. He speaks his own language in his own country as evidenced by having to have so many spin doctor interpreters. I wonder if Trump will attempt the tug and pull handshake and if Kim will interpret that move as a signal to to start some kind of marshal arts competition between the two of them. I'd pay to watch that! It would be like watching people in those inflated sumo wrestling outfits.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 122 (view)
 
Look up the meaning of the word choice
Posted: 6/10/2018 9:55:30 AM
I demand that every adult male be forced to have a circumcision, even if they've already had one! Oh, and without any anaesthesia! Every pro- lifer should sign a registry and be forced to take in and see to all needs of all unwanted fetuses by being forced to have them transplanted into their own bodies. There, those two problems are now solved...next!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Comrade Trump = Mad King Donald
Posted: 6/10/2018 9:35:53 AM
Lol. Kudlow sounds just as off the rails as Trump. The spinniest spin now is that Trudeau stabbed Trump in the back re tarrifs when he should have gone along with Trump so Trump could look strong to Kim on the eve of that summit. Wtf!!?? On top of reiterating that Putin should be allowed back into the G7. The mad king sure surrounds himself with court jesters. Kudlow is a brother from another mother with Guiliani, with both sounding like they're suffering from drunken dementia.
 
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