Notice: Forums will be shutdown by June 2019

To focus on better serving our members, we've decided to shut down the POF forums.

While regular posting is now disabled, you can continue to view all threads until the end of June 2019. Event Hosts can still create and promote events while we work on a new and improved event creation service for you.

Thank you!


Show ALL Forums
Posted In Forum:

Home   login   MyForums  
 Author Thread: Do you get feelings on the first date or is it just us females?
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 48 (view)
Do you get feelings on the first date or is it just us females?
Posted: 2/9/2008 10:40:35 AM
I'd say that person would have to have that certain 'je ne sais que' or shall I say spark. It may be very subtle but there. Something that speaks.. I just gotta know them more But bailing after only one date only is not enough time to see if anything is actually there to create a good relationship between two people. Getting to know the person and see if there is a commonality or a mutual clique takes time. Most people feel comfortable with people of same interests, ideals and understandings. Like the old saying 'birds of a feather flock together'. Compatibility means lots in a relationship , as does commonality, honesty and trust. These things do not become revealed instantaneously, they take time to find those hidden treasures. LOL.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 24 (view)
Finding myself single again and scared...
Posted: 2/9/2008 9:43:58 AM
Been divorced and very single for a very long time, since 1991. Raised my son on my own since he was 3, now 19. Right after my divorce I did not date for 6 years. When I finally decided to date, I just told my son I was with friends. I dated for a 4 year period but my son got very protective and jealous about the men. He knew it was more than friends, friends don't kissy face! LOL. Also some guys could not come to terms with my son either. If a child is not their biological blood, they do not want them in any way shape or form, this I found out. Well the guy I got rid of asap because of that very issue. My son needed a mom first and foremost. So the rest of his years I spent alone and being full time mom, and self employed. Some kids just do not do well when parents date, others seem to have absolutely no problems. Now recently, my son is now 19...though still living at home and dating himself, I explicitly said.... I am dating not interfere! Guy comes first, now take the back seat! Also no complaining. So the rules are drawn concisely this time because he's now an adult. The other rule is....I do not mettle with his relationships either, but if he needs help tho I' m there for him. [the help can be relationship wise, help in the establishment himself, financial advice, or just getting adult wisdom on some other issue] Other than that though, I have my own life to live now...respect it.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 79 (view)
Why is it so hard to find a relationship when one is middle aged?
Posted: 4/19/2007 1:25:21 AM
Why is it so hard to find a relationship when one is middle aged?

I've been divorced like forever. In my 30's I had lots of guys banging on my door, till I hit 40. Then the birds flew away. Must have been the grey hairs kicking in. LOL. I spent most of my divorced life pondering what is it like being alone. And I raised a child on my own since he was the age of 3,he's 18 now. I do know how to be alone now tho and I do not mind it at all. I started entertaining many deep ponderings. A marriage only devotes me to a small circle, yet singleness allows me to be loving arms to many hurting people. I definitely knew what lack was, and to hurt! So I did years of volunteering and mentoring young adults. Compassion had to go somewhere after all. I choice to share it to a bigger circle of hurting people. It's a bit of an old adage here 'physician heal thyself!'

Now living alone is easier apartmentwise. I do less housework cos there is only 2. I also have my own schedule and I keep very odd hours. I'm spiritual ,so who is gonna hang around someone who meditates alot?! Let alone all the books I study! I poured all of my resources to being the best parent I could be, I learned alot of new things in the process, that I did not know about myself beforehand. The little things started to matter. My son ,I recall, would bring in small bouquets of dandilions. It was a sweet gesture, it came from his heart. :) He use to go and buy me these little figurines from the dollar store after school even. I enjoyed my time I had with him. whether colouring with him, playing video games when he got older. The time was priceless. As mom and son, we still have a very good repore,and he turned out a very well mannered son! I did try dating but the guys I dated never accepted my son. It was almost like a jealous infact. May have been the treasures my son brought home from school. Well my adage, my son is part of me, my blood runs thru him. Don't like it, there's the door! Those years taught me about priorities,what I will allow and not allow. My son became my teacher thru his unconditional love as a child. I got to see the world thru his eyes. Something I had long forgotten since my childhood.

We also have friends who help us grow thru life's lessons. Sometimes I do long for a close male companion. I think intimacy and union is a biggy still, and unconditional love is its nurturing environment. A heck,to me it's sacred in a certain aspect. There appears to be the need to connect on a deep level with one significant other. But I do feel it must meet on the grounds of equality. Differ complimentary qualities and strengths but somehow equal. Somehow the two are to balance each other,be harmonious. So two people bring a gift to each other....themselves with nothing hidden. The union sacred. Funny how people seek the same thing tho, universally, this quest called love and completion thru it. It is like the highest expression. Well it's almost like, we as people, are trying to recreate the drama of the first original spark of creation on a minature scale thru 2 people! If so, it must have been good! LOL. Anyways... Yet love appears like the wind, ever elusive to one's grasp.

Well I still don't have all the answers, and I do not know what the future holds. But I have the choice of what I will keep my focus on, and I will seek the beauty in all things regardless. Heck roses will still flower in a heavy rain storm. So the journey does not end, but continues....Well it would be nice to have a man in it tho. Still much more life lessons to learn.... Ya, a nice little samurai would do just fine! ;)
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 78 (view)
Why is it so hard to find a relationship when one is middle aged?
Posted: 4/18/2007 9:54:13 PM
cavebuilder,you onto something! LOL

"One thing that would help, is if single men and women all wore shirts that said "Single" on them when they went to Wal-Mart :) crazy idea? yeah, but what if we all us tried it? Might be the end of online dating :) and sometimes crazy ideas have worked. Look what flying a kite in a storm did for the world. lol."

My son told me when He went on a trip to japan that single people have a electronic pda thingy that lists all singles in their country, numbers and all. Girls had pink or purple ones, boy had blue ones. So dating was thru this pda thingy. I said, darn it son, we need those here! LOL.

I'm way too shy, guys scare me. What do I say??? Aah! I'm good with friends, but dating ...aaah! Nervous. I do better with friends cos I can just be my off-the-wall self. Btw, I do have lots of male friends, but I'm only one of the boys. But hey, even that's kewl.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
Posted: 8/8/2006 8:47:09 AM
To judge one's christianity by a none response to an email. Sorry ,this does not wash, this is a judgmental and condemning spirit! It is also manipulating, like dictating that all christians must respond always to every email, is this a God mandate and law!
Even Jesus did not answer all questions ok. To the high counsel who were to condemn him, he spoke not. Or Jesus would answer in riddles! 'Who do you say I am?' ( btw I do find Jesus quite the captivating and very wise personality!LOL) Whatever happened to 'be wise as serpents, yet gentle as doves'? Whatever happened to discernment? And what if a person is just plain shy or nervous to respond?

Where is the compassion? Wounded egos need not apply. One is proven by my own character, as people gets to know them. It takes time to get to know someone. A lack of an email response does not denote 'knowing someone'. There could be a myriads of reasons why one will not respond,and not all for bad reasons either. Some may be more comfortable in a public setting like a forum before even responding, then will reply in an email. At least a forum allows to get a feel for the character of the person.
Also christians are human ,they do make mistakes, they are not God! 'He who is without sin , let him cast the first stone'!

But to question one's faith just because of something futile like an email is bizarre at best. It's like if you do not go to church *****,add in any denomination of your choosing here, then you are not a christian. This is a falsehood cos many walk with God and Jesus and do not do church. They are deligent in studying the scriptures and walking with God and Jesus. Same principle, you can not judge on one account or issue only. One needs to see the total picture of the person, and that takes time. Many prefer a public setting to do so.

Now I do not come here often, I don't do online dating as a rule, and yes I am very shy. I am only good at teaching and helping people out, and I do not like talking about myself. This in itself makes starting conversation a bit tough. Ok, here's another example, do you say hi to everyone on the street? How about that homeless one in ragged dirty clothes,or the severely handicapped you run across? Does every person answer back in return? Are you to be angry for all people on the street who do not respond? This is no differ than that. They may have things to do, problems to resolve, just encountered a loss, encountered a bad past experience and are leary, or just had a bad day even, one can not read their minds why they do not recipocate a greeting. One needs to learn to live and let live. Heck even when Jesus knocks on one's door, they don't aways answer the first time! Jesus just comes back and tries again, but he doesn't get mad at them. Compassion, mercy, and grace speaks otherwise. The term here is longsuffering and diligence.Sheesh, and whatever happened to fogiveness? Hm... the words of my beloved Teacher 'Father forgive them for they know not what they do!' The words of a truly noble and honourable Messiah!

There is no dishonour in using one's God-given discernment. One has the free-will to choose their own actions,and not by any dictates of man! To judge others is to claim God's own essence, job and title. Now that is dangerous territory to be play in I must add.

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 19 (view)
I belive in god and worship him ( so why am I being tortured?)
Posted: 8/8/2006 7:20:39 AM
I like Ashley's advice here!

And no you are not being tortured by God! LOL That's something the Adversary does!
It is best to make freinds with woman, out of the many you may find one comparable to yourself. Expectations,or is it criteria??? Ya they exist to some degree high or low. We can look at our faults and be down on ourselves, or look at the good point in ourselves/our potential, and what we have to offer in others' lives.

Hey nothing is impossible. My mom married at the age of 65 last year! My baby sis who just turned 42 just got married 3 weeks ago. I myself have been divorced for 15 years! I also have a bro who never has been married. I make a good buddy among guys but they just view me as one of the boys. But even that's ok cos friendships are a good thing too.

All I do is give God my request, God I seek a suitor comparable to myself, can you send me a samaria? Yes I adore oriental men! LOL. The rest I leave in His hands and life goes on. My adage, God knows what is best for me and who is best suited for me. It's just timing on God's part. ( um... that is really putting one's faith into action here btw). Till then, I keep on doing the tasks before me, raising my teenage son, teach bible principles to others. I have been pastoring for the past 4 years. I am also looking at doing mission work at present. So my life does not evolve around sitting at home waiting for the guy to mysteriously show up. If I am meant to have a honey, he will walk into my life at some given point and it will just click. So what makes life life? To me it is seeking God, making friends, and putting a smile on peoples faces,and helping them in their struggles. Also I try to focus on what I do have, not on things I do not have. Kinda like that guy who posted on the buddhic principle on desire...the path of desire must meet that of no desire. Lack leaves one yearning and unfulfilled,and it makes life miserable! Been there myself!

I try to view life as, if I am single now, it is for a purpose and the time is used to give it to God 24/7. Kinda hard to do that when married, when the cares of this world become important cos I seek to please my hubby. And yes, marriage does have it's good points too, companionship,love and intimacy, making memories, and the fun in the bedroom. I'm divorced not dead here! LOL.

So just keep those eyes, open,be flexable, make friends, and hopefully God will smack you in the back of the head and say, there's the girl you seek! If anything, you come away making lots of new friends. :) In the meantime, life is one of perspective ,make thoe most of it regardless of circumstances,try to see the best in all things and try to find its beauty.

Good fortune in your quest for finding your true love.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
Wisdom, Direction and Confirmation
Posted: 5/14/2006 10:50:28 PM
Sorry about those typos! Joys of dyslexia. I do not have spell check here! LOL.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
Wisdom, Direction and Confirmation
Posted: 5/14/2006 10:45:07 PM
To whom does one seek wisdom? If it from man, or from God Himself? For the path of man tho it can be useful, can led down the wrong path. It is only after all human wisdom therefore limited. To whom did the Messiah Jesus follow? That is your answer. Now the community of those in Jesus ,are brought together to encourage one another build each other up in the faith of God. In a world full of apostacy, to whom would you trust? There are those who know about God and Jesus , and those who truly know thru a one on one relationship in His presence. There is a vast difference!

The scriptures teach that all prophecy is not of an individual interpretation, but of the witness of 2 or 3. Also the gift of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Is not the wisdom of God echoed in the annals of the Word of God, aka the scriptures. Does not the Spirit of God teach thru the written word? Yes ,it most surely does. And whom was given to be our present Teacher, what is the Gift that Jesus left us. His own Spirit, which is none other than the Spirit of God, who knows all things. This is our Teacher. Those who are spiritually born of Heaven can only attain,for the mind of man can not comprehend such. These are spiritual things only. Those born of the Spirit ,are led by the Spirit of God. The voice of Spirit is the voice of the Good Shepherd aka Jesus. As Jesus is the Door, the Gate to the green lushious pastures of grazing for the sheep. And it is by faith alone, in the Son of Man who came in the flesh and walked on the earth a very short season. Faith is the fancy name for trust.

Some say we of Paul, some say we are of Apollos, but I say follow Christ Jesus! And who did Jesus say to whom to follow? Jesus said follow Me (aka Jesus). Ok, 1 cor 1 and 3

Sectarianism Is Sin
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Glory Only in the Lord
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.”

1 Corinthians 3
Sectarianism Is Carnal
1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

Watering, Working, Warning
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
Avoid Worldly Wisdom
18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; 20 and again, “The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. 23 And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

I ,myself seek only God's instruction thru His Word. But my friends do speak a confirm on a dream, vision or rhema of the Word, at times they do shed wisdom to a question I struggle with, thru an utterance from God they may hear. For the Body of the Messiah Jesus is of differ parts, some a hand, some a feet, some a heart, some a voice,some a ear. All are differ tho part of the whole, of the spiritual Body of Jesus. And Jesu Hiself the Head and lead authroity over the spiritual body/Temple of God. But all are instructed by God alone. It is His breath that is breathed and carried along on the Wind of Spirit/rhema. It is God's wisdom we hear. And rhema will always back up the Word of God aka scriptures.For they are happily married to each other. The 'living word' Amens, the written word, the 'living word' breaths life to the written Word of God. And the living Word comes from the Spirit of God.

So what is of more import, the traditions and doctrines of man, or the whisperings of the Spriti of God? I say, I will continue to follow God,in and thru the Messiah Jesus. Leave man to their own theologies of man. Let God alone teach!

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 54 (view)
why does god not help us when we need help
Posted: 5/14/2006 9:18:22 PM
Ok, late comer here!LOL...

Suffering is part of this world, blame the fall in the garden. Due to the Fall, chaos,atrophy and death enterred into the equation. We exited Reality of the Garden aka Heaven, and entered the illusion of temporal life in 3D. Face it, this life is one big classroom, and there are tests to prove one's faith aka loyalty. Who is one gonna trust ultimately?

And what of overcoming in the Messiah Jesus? Without not trials, how can faith be strengthened? But then again, what is faith? Faith is placing their trust in God alone. Do bad things happen to good people? Yes, look at the life of Paul or the Messiah Jesus.Heck even most the apostles were martyred. They did not have it easy but their faith in God was their strength.

So in this world we will have tribulation, bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. God's rain falls on both, but in the end we all have to give an account before God as to what we did in this life. Think God is not keep score here? In the book of revelations it speaks of books revs 20:12..and books were opened,and another book was opened, the Lamb's book of Life,and the dead were judged acording to their works/deeds,by the things that were written in the books.... And anyone not found in the Lamb's book of Life were cast into Gehenna ,which is the second death.

Now for the little one who perishes, if the parents believed, then the children are made sanctified. Even if it is only one parent who believes. 1 cor 7:14...for the unbelieving hubby is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the hubby, otherwise your children would be unclean,but now they are holy! These children would be taken to heaven, it is only when one comes to the age of accountability, able of knowing and understanding the scriptures that one then carries the responsibility. Jesus was found doing His Father's business as the age of 13 in the Temple, Mary and Joseph had to go look for him! Also did not Jesus ask 'suffer not the children to come to Him ,for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven'? The Messiah Jesus loved kids, as does God. They are still quite unblemished by the world system,as some would say, still in their innocence.

Mankind can not attain the whole wisdom of God, for God is unfathomable at best. His ways are far more loftier and noble,and who can comprehend them all? Just think God questioning Job, in the book of Job. Human mind is finite, but God's mind is unlimited. So we only know in part, and prophesy in part....we only look in the mirror darkly. Only when we meet the Messiah Jesus face to face, will we will know, as we will also be known. And even then, that now, most do not even know themselves!

If we complain, it is cos we do not know,we are still in ignorance at best. ( not fully comprehending the Word and its invaluable wisdom) Like I said, the human mind/logic is limited, and faulty to boot for it is fallen. Again, blame the incident in the Garden. And don't go blaming Adam and Eve either, they were just kids, blame the Serpent who decieved in the first place!

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 101 (view)
How does Jesus relate to other religions?
Posted: 2/6/2006 3:55:24 AM
Ok, I have a question. Since so many have heard of Jesus, how many have sought out his word/teachings? If one was seeking to know who this mysterious man was, it is logical deduction they would seek His word out, rather than go by someone's hearsay? But by studying the teachings, does not a decision come? Did what he said and claim be truth?
Now if someone took the time to ponder such unfathomable things, I bet God would have enlightened the mind of the given truth. He would send the seeker seeking for it.

But I think again, most do speak of Him in their belief systems, but some never venture out of its own barriers as well. I think the person Jesus requires a person to seek His own teachings, not hand me downs from other sources. It like doing investigation work,go to the source.

I study other's peoples beliefs, to walk a mile in their shoes and try to understand them from their perspective. So some of the sutras, suras,the tanakh and some of the oral traditions of the natives. I have talked to many native elders, a few moslem folks,to jews and even some rabbis, and some buddhists even. I have no problem with any of them either,for I respect them for who they are, their essence and beliefs, it is who they are. Jesus on the other hand is more my own personal conviction and truth, and only appliable to self. In their teachings is much good wisdom. Whatever ,if good, lofty, noble ..dwell upon these comes to mind. All have things to contribute somehow,in regards to wisdom. But my roots and essence are just that,it is who I essentually am. But I look for the common thread in all,in regards to wisdom.

What if someone is hardwired to a certain disposition, that is the path chosen for them to follow in essence. I do not wish to judge,it's not my job actually, but be loyal to what I was revealed and walk the path that God has ordained for me. But also the respect the choices of others, it is after all their free will. Anyways I think God reveals, revelation can never come from man. Man may point to the door,or a door, sometimes many doors, but only God reveals what that one essential true door is! Then the person must decide if they will pass thru that door. (yes I am being cryptic now! LOL. Think people think! )

ps...I made a bit of a booboo in the posting of buddhism it is Issa they know,whom is Jesus. Mispelling there. And yes, Jesus is also known as Isa in moslem beliefs. So I am making corrections here!LOL.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 100 (view)
How does Jesus relate to other religions?
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:11:42 AM
Jesus is represented in almost all the major world religions, cults and philosophies.

*How is Jesus represented in your belief/faith?

I'm judeo-christian,so to me He is the Messiah, and the Son of Yahweh God. He is also the HaShem/word/logos of God. He reflected the face and heart of Yahweh God.

And well, John 1 said it best..
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and God was the Word.

To me personally, Jesus is the extension and expression of the Father Yahweh God.

*Why do you think that Jesus is recognized in all these different beliefs?

Jesus is spoken of in many, tho not all beliefs, to my undertanding. To the native peoples he is known as Pahanna,the Pale Prophet and the Great PeaceMaker. As tradition goes in native circles of the elders,in the time of the warring tribes, he came to them to teach peace. He is known as the Younger White brother. They were also given two stone tablets.

Jesus is known as a prophet to those who follow the suras. The moslems are taught from the suras to honour the OT, the gospel and the teachings of Mohammed.

The tibetan buddhists also see Jesus as a Teacher of wisdom. He is known as Isa to them and spoken of in the Tibetan gospel which is a 3rd party account of the life of Jesus.

Jesus is many things to many people. Even in each differ belief structure, many sects view Jesus differents. Even in the christian belief many view Jesus as totally divine, some people percieve Jesus as God walking in humanity while He was in the flesh. some know Him as the Godman, have both natures in harmony with each other while He walked in the flesh. Even in regards to the teachings themselves, some percieve as esoteric in nature, some symbolic, some literal, some alligory wise,some thru gnosis. Yet truth comes from the Spirit of God revealed from the written word. It is called the 'living word'. Example, just like there is the Law of God, written on stone tablets, there is also the Spirit of the Law. The Spirit of the Law, which is written in grace, truth and divine love of the Father God. The written Law brings a curse,it is death-for the letter of the Law kills, but the Spirit of the Law gives life.

The jews even run a multitude of differ thoughts on Jesus. Some good, some not so good. Some say he was a rabbi, some say he was a prophet, some say he was a heretic,and yes, some say He is the Messiah of God. Depending again on the differ sects,their teachings and perspectives.

Also one' culture,teachings and history shapes how one views things.

*Can there be tolerance shown between religions despite the differences of Jesus within their religion?

I respect everyones belief traditions. They choose the path they walk. It is called free will. What they believe is between them and the Creator. It is not for us to judge,but may we be able to walk a season beside them and share our wisdom.
I also believe one can not dictate their beliefs on others. We can share our wisdom, but the choice is theirs alone to make. One can not make another believe, that is something God reveals if the person is sincerely seeking answers. It is not that we first saught God ,but that He had saught us out first!

Also bear in mind, there are other spirits in the ethers. They too come to compete and challenge truth. So one must discern wisely. And well, not all spirits are benevolent and good!
There is definitely a war in the ethers, in the conquest of the souls of man and it has been going on a very long time btw.

*Who is right about Jesus and why?

Now that is a loaded question! I can only speak what I myself believe. But it is only my truth, not another's truth. If they claim hold of it without the revelation of such truth, then it is only a borrowed truth from another. It is not tho, there own truth. Truth must be revealed. One can share their faith,and why they believe such and such about Jesus, but truth only comes from revelation ,and well ...revelation only comes from God. For only God speaks to the heart.

One's call is to walk before God , in the path He has ordained before us. I can go further and say, one could be raised in the christian tradition,and know the teachings, but without a one on one encounter with God,or Jesus.... having felt His presence and shalom, then one really does not understand its significance. It's like being on the outside looking in, they may know about Him, but never experience Him personally. Face it, people need that personal touch from God directly,on the inside.

So... till touched by God, Jesus is a mystery, a riddle and a paradox. His life,message and purpose will have no depth, no real deep personal spiritual meaning. They will never truly understand the Gift,nor the power of that Gift.

Do I personally think Jesus is the ultimate answer, yes...but only God can impart that wisdom before anyone can truly understand it. I believe ,not cos I been taught, I was not raised christian or in a christian home, far from it infact! But I had seen Him literally before my eyes ,and I have heard God thunder when I was called. Heck I was 7 at the time and remember the whole situation clearly as if it happened yesterday. God called, I heeded. Simple as that. My path was ordained, this is the path that I myself am called to walk. The beauty of all it is, it came by no man,so no one but God can glory over it! Nor can any man steal it from me.

So man can speak Jesus is the answer, but ironically, until it is revealed to them personally, they will never truly understand why it is so.Tho the statement is very true btw! *shock* But whom God calls, He will plant that desire to seek Him ,to search Him out. It's like a consuming fire that ignites within and rages like a inner inferno,and ultimately God will speak and reveal Himself to them. So to some Jesus is the sweet fragrance of jasmine and sandlewood, to others He is no more than a stench. Such is life.
Now my take is , if people can believe His teachings, why can't they believe what He claimed about Himself!

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 49 (view)
Do we have a Soul?
Posted: 2/4/2006 8:58:16 AM
Do we have a soul..
The body is comprised of mind/body/spirit.
Body is but the outer shell, tent, house as are symbols used to denote body in scriptures.
Spirit is breath and wind. And God breathed in to Adam and Adam became a lviing soul. now since the Fall in the Grden, there was a death, Adam's spirit died that day. Also before Adam and Eve ever came to 1000 years of age they died. Therefore also in the flesh they died that day. God's concept of time is differ from man's concept of time. To God a day is 1000 years!
Also consider the body, a type of spiritual temple being of three parts. Outter courtyard/body, inner court yard/soul, holy of holies/spirit.

The soul houses the mind ,emotions and will/as in free will of man. Spirit is breath and what connects mortal man to God. The body allow one to go from point A to point B and to interact in this physical 3D world. Also the Messiah Jesus is spoken as the second Adam,a life giving spirit. And well spirit is what gives life.

1 cor 15:45

As it is written The first man Adam became a living being/soul. The last Adam became a life giving spirit. However,the spiritual is not first, but the natural,and afterwards the spiritual. The first man was of earth, made of dust,the seocnd Man is the Lord from Heaven.As was the man of dust,so also are those who are made of dust; and as is thee heavenly Man,so also are those who are heavenly. and if we have borne the image of the man of dust,we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

heb 4:12

For the word of God is living and powerful,sharper than any two-edged sword,piercing even to the division of soul and spirit,and of joints and marrow,and is a descerner of the thoughts and intenets of the heart.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
Posted: 2/4/2006 8:32:39 AM
Buddhism is an interesting topic. I studied a bit about it ,tho only basic level at best. So still a student ok! LOL.
First 'awareness' it really blanking hte mind, or more or less, not dwelling on passing thoughts?

I remember a teaching having to do with the green tea ceremony. Every move in the ceremony is observed and taken in.
Everything is done also with utmost respect. Being focused to all that is, as it transpires. Living that moment in it's fullness.
This was good teacing cos I had a mind that just would not quit, ADD here! LOL.Think hamster on a tread mill 24/7! But I have seemed able to enter a place where my mind is now pure solace for long periods of time,and I enjoy it much ,much better.

Also a teaching on 'willful detachment'. Imagine dealing with a crisis thru action and not reaction. I recall in martial arts that mind must always be calm,anticipate the opponent's next move of attack, for what is telegraphed in moves,body movements etc. Acting requires concentration and awareness, reaction is just acting on impulse. The idea is more a controlled reaction,one that does good overall.

Am rooted judeo-christian but not thru churches, more just a solo sojourner. I'm more into rhema,and meditating on the scriptures personally,heeding the Wind of Spirit. Alot of the wisdom from buddhism complements the same frame of thought. In the Heart Sutra, Perfect Wisdom it speaks of a place where thought meets no thought, and form meets no form. In my judaic teachings, one must be emptied to be filled .The goal in judaic circles is to seek the presence of God,thru the Messiah Jesus. So they both have pearls of wisdom to offer. For it is in the silence within that the Creator speaks.

One of my most favourate verse is 'unless seed dies it can not bring forth life'. Um...that's judaic btw.
The buddhists teach that the world is a place of suffering, and the 8 fold noble path walks one out of that.To enter a place of no suffering,and seems like desire places a big part to all of it as well. Well that is what I was able to gleen from it.

I have read a few sutras, the diamond sutra, the lotus sutra/sutra of truth,sutra of the mustard seed. And I do love those little verses that make me pondering bigtime! Those little verse which speaks such a deep impact. And their parables are way kewl too.

Like I said, still a newbie here, but buddhism brought a fresh and differ perspective to wisdom.

Happy journeys.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
What's with asians and being shy??
Posted: 1/25/2006 1:24:03 AM
I think the word may be reserved. I knew a japanese girl in high school I hung around with. She was shy, but she was subconscious about her accent. I wouldn't really call her shy, more quiet but then again I was quite a pranster in school.

A few years back I met a exchange student from Japan when I use to go to the dojo. Again ,reserved but can really talk when he got to know ya. I use to invited him over for coffee. I kinda adopted him as a son cos he had no family and new to the country here. Their customs are differ, but I found it very cute. My friend use to leave his shoes in the hall and I'd grab them saying ,don't leave them out there, they'd get stolen!What impressed me was that he was well mannered and polite.

My son's female friend was more outgoing and loved to shop! LOL. But she would not come over to visit at my place cos my son told her I was raised military. He had to tell her I wear army boots!LOL.

I chat with the asian people uptown at their shop. They're just more quiet by nature,soft spoken the ones I talk too. It's just different as each culture is different.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
7th day sabbath and Sunday worship
Posted: 12/15/2005 2:07:33 PM
Romans 14
The Law of Liberty

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

The Law of Love

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. 22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

Well these verses sum it all up, it this not an issue for debate, but something one needs to take before God alone! I was once where many of yous were, but was by the wind of the Spirit of God to change my ways. I wall called out of churches. I studying and meditating on the scriptures, in rhema I learned to become Torah observant, I was instructed to Keep the Feasts of the Lord, and the biblical sabbath. Now this was personal instruction,it did not come by any man whatsoever. So people take this to God ok, let Him lead you in the path you are to walk. Man does not destine your path, only God does. Nor does man have the final say,only God does.

But inquiring on posts, you seek the wisdom of man,not the wisdom of Self, but is not God's wisdom most important?

To where one rises or falls, it is by God alone. So please, my best advice is, take it to God alone! Let Him reveal to you personally what is His will in all things, even this, the sabbath issue.

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
7th day sabbath and Sunday worship
Posted: 12/15/2005 1:46:07 PM
Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18 that He did not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” We saw in chapter one that the earth will abide forever. Here again in the clearest words possible Jesus tells us that He did not come to abolish the law but that the law will be in effect for ever.


thank you bro, dei Gratia. Yes ,not one jot or tittle will be changed. And oh how time has changed thru the sands of time!

What was nailed to the cross and the Messiah Jesus's/Yehoshuah's crucifixion? Was it the Law of God or was it sin that was nailed? Think Moses and the serpent staff in the wilderness? Let's take a walk thru the OT shall we. Now history keeps repeating itself.

numbers 21...

The Bronze Serpent
4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died. 7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you; pray to the LORD that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. ***8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Now what did this signify ? Same with the cricufixion, when one behold's Jesus onthe corss, Jesus became sin remember. John 3:14-15, 1 John 2:2 Why did Jesus yell our to His Father in Heaven, why have you forsaken me? Remember Jesus never knew separation from His Father in heaven! For thru the Sprit of God, he was in total union with he Father. As in the gospel of John, many times it speaks the Father and I are one!
And he who has been bitten by the sting of sin ,who looks upon the cross shall be saved.
John 3...
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

***14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Now we do know that coming to the cross seers the conscience to repentence. But it is thru this viewing of Jesus becoming sin as He took on the sins of the world here, that they can enter into Life. The birth from above,spirit. For without repentence there is no spiritual birth. Hm...unless a seed dies it can not bring forth life!

So really what was truly nailed to the cross. Not the Torah, Jesus gave the revelation of the Torah of God, first the physical, then the spiritual. Israel only knew the outside form, the rituals ,of sin and offering sacrifices. What ancient Israel was taught as a foreshadow and type. Tho God did speak even in the OT times. It is not sacrifices I want, but love and mercy. So Jesus brought the revelation of God.

And another question ,who has final say, man or God? I say God. Now if God says something is perpetual, then no one, I mean no one, has the right to change it! For who is the author of the 'good book'... men, or people inspired by the Spirit of God, driven to write the words of God from the ethers of Heaven? I say God is the author of the 'good book' and not up for debate here! Mankind, when inconvenienced, likes to do things for his own personal gain driven by fallen logic of mind, ego of Self seems to rules supreme! The Sabbath was not some manmade creation,but given as a gift and revelation from God Himself. For the day of rest but also symbolising the Age of Rest aka the 7th day symbolising the Messiah age of Shalom, when Messiah Jesus rules the earth for a 1000 years. In Leviticus, it speaks of 7 year sabbath, of restoration of the land and cancellations of debts and freeing of slaves. Then there is the Jubilee years of the 50th year.So in some cases, Israel got a double portion blessing on the 49 and 50th year,of restoration and cancelation of debts and freeing of slaves. All the Torah of God, I mean the whole of scriptures is good wisdom. One can not just pick and choose at personal whim here,and there is continuity thru the whole book. But one needs the Spirit of God to enlighten the mind with to understand. Why did Jesus speak parables, so only those who had ears to hear, and eyes who see can understand! Carnal man can not understand the things of Spirit ,for they are spirit. And only the Spirit of God can understand and reveal spiritual things. Also think Isaiah, has the lion laid down with the lamb yet? Me thinks not, the dark overlord of this world still reigns, chaos,death and atrophy still ensues. Just look around you and this present day world! Read the news, it'll shock ya! And darn it, Messiah Jesus has not planted his big toe on the mount of olives yet, tho I keep watchful over that one!

Anyways,read romans for yourself, it speaks on these very things. Not some theology book either. Ask the Spirit of God to be your guide and open your mind to His wisdom and revelation. For it speaks about the Law and the Spirit of the Law. And well the sabbath is part of the Law of God.

Ok, so what of the Law of God, an example... one is clothed in the crimson mantle of Jesus. So that God on longer sees sin , but now we are seen thru the eyes of Jesus. This is grace. Now when we do sin due to weakness and ignorance,for the heart is deceitfully wicked to no end! Still babes in the spiritual wilderness, while striving to grow in Jesus, when we do sin, we have a judaic High Priest who interceeds on our behalf. Of course we must confess our sins to Jesus. Cos sin causes a separation between the person and God,and well it is the believer who seeks reconcilation and the continual presence of God before them always. So a needing to keep the slate clean between oneself and God. Keep the flow of connection and communication going, after all God is looking for a relationship with His people. In a spiritual sense He is married to His people!

Hosea 2: “Therefore, behold, I will allure her, will bring her into the WILDERNESS, and speak comfort to her. 15 I will give her her vineyards from there, and the Valley of Achor as a door of hope; she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, as in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt.
***16 And it shall be, in that day, says the LORD, that you will call Me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Master,’

Jeremiah 3:10-14 "And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense," says the LORD. 11 Then the LORD said to me, "Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah. 12 "Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: ‘Return, backsliding Israel,’ says the LORD; ‘I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,’ says the LORD; ‘I will not remain angry forever….***14 Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am MARRIED to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion”.
Jeremiah 31:1-30 "At the same time, says the Lord, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people. 2 Thus says the Lord: The people who survived the sword found grace in the wilderness - Israel, when I went to give him rest. 3 The Lord has appeared of old to me, saying: Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore with loving kindness I have drawn you. 4 Again I will build you, and you shall be rebuilt, O virgin of Israel!

Jeremiah 31:31-40 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah (Hint: Are the Jews Christian yet?) - ***32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was 'a husband to them', says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Isaiah 62

3 You shall also be a crown of glory
In the hand of the LORD,
And a royal diadem
In the hand of your God.
***4 You shall no longer be termed Forsaken,
Nor shall your land any more be termed Desolate;
But you shall be called Hephzibah/My delight is in her and your land Beulah/married
For the LORD delights in you,
And your land shall be married.

So consider the comandments of God,what I call the Torah of God, the wedding contract.
If you love someone you want too please them and laws are the boundary of a good marriage, it keeps it safe from preditors and homewreckers! Jesus is the judaic wedding cup! And Jesus came in the flesh to reveal the face of His Father, God! He also nailed sin on the cross, he gave the 'new life' thru the resurrection,being the first fruit of the resurrection. The first of many, bros and sister, in and thru Himself. So who has the authority? God. Man reflects the glory of God, woman was made from man, therefore reflects the authority of man. God is the hubby, He alone is the authority. His Law, and any part of it, He has the last word on it!

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
7th day sabbath and Sunday worship
Posted: 12/6/2005 6:12:26 PM
Well I was trying to get at the Spirit of the Law aka agape love. Now God will lead all into truth, even in the sabbath and Feasts of the Lord and other holidays for that matter. He is the author of the 'good book' and He knows best.

Now I was instructed by rhema to keep the Feasts of the Lord and biblical Sabbath. But that is strictly between God, Jesus and myself. My walk is not your walk,as is my tribulations and purgings are not another's purgings etc. God deals with each individually.

But I did try to point out the common tread and what Jesus taught. We are only accountable to God and God showed us the way thru Jesus and His teachings. We are also all at differ levels of spiritual learning. Now don't get high minded cos God will show up and show you Jesus and one will be measured by Jesus's standards. I had this happen myself a long while back! You get humbled real fast! LOL.

In all things, it is best to take it before God Himself. And always remember the scriptures are the only guide,so it is good to meditate on it,and bring one's quetions to wrestle out efoe the Throne of Heaven, but also heed the wind of Spirit which brings revelation to the words written. In the meantime, lets not judge, that's God 's job.
Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
7th day sabbath and Sunday worship
Posted: 12/6/2005 5:38:03 PM
lev 23...Feasts of the Lord and biblical Sabbath.

Jesus fulfilled the Law,not done away with it. Consider the Torah of God on Mt Sinai to be a wedding agreement, it is a covanent contract God made to Israel in the wilderness. Did you know Moses broken the first set and went back up the mount for a second set. First was the physical Law of God, then the Spirit of Law of God aka divine/agape Law.

matt 5...
Christ Fulfills the Law

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

matt 19...
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

matt 22...
The Scribes: Which Is the First Commandment of All?

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Words of Jesus ..and you will love God with all your heart, soul, mind and body ,and your neighbour as oneself. (Hm... the Shema!) And Jesus taught the Spirit of the Law! zech 7:12,romans 7:6,romans 8:1,gal 3:2...

And what of the offspring of the woman (Israel) revelations 12....

The Woman Persecuted

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

***17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, ***who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.***

john 15

The Spirit of the Law is agape/divine love that come from Yahweh,and it fulfills the law. To whom was Paul addressing about food and days? The Gentiles or Jews? Define 'first day of the week' as spoken of in Acts? Do we not go from Sabbath to Sabbath?

Acts 20:7 And on (1722) the first of the (3391) sabbaths (4521),the disciples assembling to break bread...

1 Cor 16:2 greek/interlinear... every (2596) one (3391) of the week (4521) each of you...
strong's numbers

3391-mia mee'-ah irregular feminine of 1520; one or first:--a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.
4521-sabbaton sab'-bat-on of Hebrew origin (7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:--sabbath (day), week.
7676 shabbath shab-bawth' intensive from 7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:--(+ every) sabbath.
7673 shabath shaw-bath' a primitive root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific):--(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The Sabbath is a day of rest an given for mankind's benefit. But also symbolic of the 1000 year rest of the Messianic Age by the Messiah Yehoshuah/ Jesus.

romans it speaks about the law! 1-11

The highlites...

The Just Live by Faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Romans 2
God’s Righteous Judgment

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
The Jews Guilty as the Gentiles

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

Circumcision of No Avail

25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 3
God’s Judgment Defended

1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:

“ That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”

5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world? 7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.

All Have Sinned

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. 10 As it is written:

“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“ The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “ Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “ There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Boasting Excluded

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Christ in Our Place

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 7
Freed from the Law

1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Sin’s Advantage in the Law

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”[a] 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Law Cannot Save from Sin

13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8
Free from Indwelling Sin

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

*Again I say what is the Spirit of the Law? What did Jesus teach peoples?

romans 14...

Romans 14
The Law of Liberty

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

***The Law of Love

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. 22 Do you have faith?] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

The judaic law has 613 laws! Jesus,being a jew keep the Feasts of the Lord and the biblical sabbath. He even kept the Feast of Dedication which is Chanakah. so what food and day was spoken of in Romans if not judaic law!

colossians 2:11

Colossians 2
Not Philosophy but Christ

1 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
( did you just get that!-hidden...aka rhema, living word,revelation from Heaven!,gnosis... God speaks THRU His word aka scriptures via the wind of the Spirit of God!HM... breath..wind....the good book is your guide, but revelation comes from God alone,in and thru the Messiah Jesus -by the Spirit of God.)
4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Not Legalism but Christ

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Traditions and doctrines of man, legalism,dogmas, creeds,theologies of man, another gospel and another Christ, doctrines of devils etc.-aka apostacy.Called the Great Falling Away in thessalonians. The Spirit of God knows all truth, in depth, width, breath, so that no one need to teach you! The Spirit of God is your Teacher, that is what Jesus left us with! His Spirit aka the Spirit of God! God's Temple is Spirit and we worship Him in Spirit and in Truth! Read your bibles, ask God to reveal His Truth to you.

Now Jesus is the High Priest in judaic circles ok, Jesus interceeds when we fall into sins. Jesus imparts favour/grace in the Heavenly Temple of God. The Spirit of God tranforms the earthen vessel! God's timing ,His way! Our lives are hidden in Christ Jesus,only God knows the heart of mankind. What were the religious leaders of Jesus day, scribes and Phariscees....all nicy nice on the outside and full of wickedness on the inside! They acted holier than thou,self glorifying themselves...pompous,arrogant, shutting out Heaven to the seekers of God. Jesus knew it! The scribes and Phariscees were legalists,they had a religious spirit and um..spirits are very real btw! Strain and flea/gnat and swallow a camel ok! Jesus didn't mince words ok, he's dynamic,colourful personalitywise and spoke bluntly!

So anyways, Jesus never did away with the law, the commandments of God Jesus fulfilled them, but he also condemned legalism, and works, as they are of the flesh. Can't get into heaven via works aka brownie points ok, and faith alone is not enough either cos even the demons believe who Jesus is and they are still going to Sheol.Faith alone does not cut it either. There is a call to surrender to God in all things,of Self. I will prove my faith by my works, Paul said it. There is 'fruit' cos the Spirit of God works thru the earthen vessel that submits to God!

And unless a seed dies, it can not bring forth life! An well thru the young tender plant sprout fro mthe ground, the soil determines if it will survive, there are the elements of wind, storms and weeds,there are birds who will also steal the precious seed. Seed is just not the Word here but the 'breath' of the new birth from above. Many plants die, but of those that fall on good ground ,they grow to maturity, flower and bare fruit on many yields. Hm... many are called yet few are chosen. That verse alone should make people ponder seriously. And matt 25...

There is a cost to following Jesus, get real and be loyal to Jesus and to God.

Matthew 25
The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins

1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. 11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

(got oil, this is the Spirit of God and one needs an abundance of the life of Spirit!)

The Parable of the Talents

14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

( God gives gifts and talents, both physical ones and spiritual ones, to each of His own, be proper stewards of such. For it must bare fruit to God)

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[c] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

(hm. they had the works ,and the gifts,but where is the love? The compassion ,the charity ...? The love for all mankind?) Paul says in cor 13... tho I speak in the tongues of men,and of angels but have not love. I AM NOTHING!
And tho I have the gift of prophecy, and understanding of mysteries,and all knowledge,and tho I have all faith so that I could move mountains but have not love, I AM NOTHING!

Face it God loves mankind, He sent His own Son Jesus to be the bridge back to God , the Creator of all. Yes, this turned out to be strong fuller soap. But people need to seek God from a sincere heart, so if repentence is needed, so be it....we are but children in the eyes of God, so were are still learning, and well... both God and Jesus hasn't given up on mankind just yet! Seek God and Jesus is your scriptures, that's where they live after all, that is where the wind of Spirit speaks thru.

Joined: 12/6/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
A question for Christians
Posted: 12/6/2005 3:15:48 PM
Hi folks ,new here. I work with 'wilderness' christians. These are folks who walk with God nd Jesus outside the church walls. Some have left for many reasons,legalisms, doctrines of man,another gospel and another Christ, church rules that contradict the scriptures,apostacy etc and some are literally 'called out' by God to feed such. In many cases the main result is ....where is the biblical love among the breathren! It is more concensus,conformity and rank of societial status.

I do feel the true church is a body/group of believers in Jesus the Messiah. The Temple of God is spirit and 'we worship God in Spirit and in Truth'. The group is to be bound in the love that comes from God aka 'agape' love. Is divine 'agape' love the seal of a believer in Jesus the Messiah? I believe this to be so.

john 4...

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

2 cor 3:4

The Spirit, Not the Letter

4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

For that matter what is a true christian? But one who keep the commandments and has the testamony of Jesus,who picks up their cross and follows after Jesus, their Messiah, Kinsmen Redeemer and Rabbi.

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments

john 13

31 So, when he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. 32 If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately. 33 Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come,’ so now I say to you. 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

john 14

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

john 15

The True Vine

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away, and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Love and Joy Perfected

9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

Ephesians 5

Walk in Love

1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.

Walk in Light

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:

“ Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”

1 peter 1:22

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 24 because

“ All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man[f] as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
25 But the word of the LORD endures forever.”[g]

Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.

1 john 3:14

The Imperative of Love

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.
13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

The Outworking of Love

16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Who are the brethren? Those who are In Christ Jesus,as they are family. Yet Jesus instructed us to love our enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who despitefully use you. luke 6:27-49 ( it's all good reading btw!) romans 12:9-21. so the law of divine love is towards all mankind! I calll it the Golden Rule!

And of course, no one of this can be done unless born of Spirit, from above. It is a spiritual birth one needs. The born of water(flesh) and born of Spirit(from Heaven). For the seed that comes from Heaven aka the Spirit of God transforms the carnal man into a new creation. But like the seed unless it dies it can not bring forth life. And like a plant it is like 'the parable of the seeds', there is danger of many things until the plant comes to full maturity and bloom. Thru this new creation, thru the seed being planted from above, can one receive a new Spirit and a new heart. ezek 36:26,ezek 18:31,ezek 11:19 And people wonder why Jesus came in the flesh and die on the cross and resurrected? I call it 'the Gift from God'!

Well I din't mean to be longwinded, especially on my first posting, but this is one big issue that was brought across and there are no simple answers for it. If scriptures were heeded for the Golden Rule that is it, we would not have this problem. But just like ancient Israel with the priests in the Temple, so to now history again repeats itself. ezek 8

Ezekiel 8
Abominations in the Temple

1 And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I sat in my house with the elders of Judah sitting before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell upon me there. 2 Then I looked, and there was a likeness, like the appearance of fire—from the appearance of His waist and downward, fire; and from His waist and upward, like the appearance of brightness, like the color of amber. 3 He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy. 4 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, like the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then He said to me, “Son of man, lift your eyes now toward the north.” So I lifted my eyes toward the north, and there, north of the altar gate, was this image of jealousy in the entrance.
6 Furthermore He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel commits here, to make Me go far away from My sanctuary? Now turn again, you will see greater abominations.” 7 So He brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, there was a hole in the wall. 8 Then He said to me, “Son of man, dig into the wall”; and when I dug into the wall, there was a door.
9 And He said to me, “Go in, and see the wicked abominations which they are doing there.” 10 So I went in and saw, and there—every sort of creeping thing, abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, portrayed all around on the walls. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in their midst stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan. Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen what the elders of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the room of his idols? For they say, ‘The LORD does not see us, the LORD has forsaken the land.’”
13 And He said to me, “Turn again, and you will see greater abominations that they are doing.” 14 So He brought me to the door of the north gate of the LORD’s house; and to my dismay, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then He said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Turn again, you will see greater abominations than these.” 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD’s house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.
17 And He said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it a trivial thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit here? For they have filled the land with violence; then they have returned to provoke Me to anger. Indeed they put the branch to their nose. 18 Therefore I also will act in fury. My eye will not spare nor will I have pity; and though they cry in My ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them.”

Show ALL Forums