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 Author Thread: Are Women on POF Just Looking For a Ego Boost ?
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 286 (view)
 
Are Women on POF Just Looking For a Ego Boost ?
Posted: 9/19/2018 1:19:28 PM
^^^^
Julystorm has hit some nails on the head when it comes to guys having a hard time getting responses or dates with OLD.

This is a post of mine from awhile ago....

Interesting enough, I was listening to a talk radio station today and they had a female OLD expert on taking calls from women having trouble with OLD. Most of the women claimed that they could not find any good guys online. The expert claimed that a lot of women are looking for reasons to avoid a date instead of giving guys a chance, and if they have a bad date they become even more guarded. But, she also pointed out that more guys they see the better chance they have of meeting someone special....go figure. With OLD it is the women that are usually dragging their feet, this has been pointed out with statistics in the past and it still continues.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 187 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/30/2018 9:53:00 AM
^^^^^^
The problem with ladies like JUJU is that she changes the narrative to fit her argument. She stated that men approach hot women online because they know they would have no chance in real life yet also states that basically most men think they are 10s. And this comes from a person who puts "princess" for her personality type. How would she feel about a guy who lists "prince", "king", or "stud" as his personality... We already know the answer to that. I am sure that women get perverted messages, but I'm sure she, as well as others, also get genuine messages as well, but I am willing to bet that she found other things wrong with those guys to justify her rejecting them. Most guys who are not jerks are not going to stay with OLD for too long because they soon learn that it is actually more difficult than finding dates IRL. That just leaves the perverts who don't care, married guys looking for side action, and the PUA types. I know it can be difficult for women to sort through these different kinds of guys. This would start to change if the normal guys got rewarded more so they could start pushing these other types away from these sites. The sad fact is the players, pervs, pick up artists, and married guys all probably do better than the normal guy. One of the problems is the whole "nice guy" label. "Oh, he seems really nice, must be something wrong with him".
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 175 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/29/2018 1:03:59 PM
juju is a princess mentality women...she even had that in her profile.

She also put up misleading info. In the one study she sited the article even stated that other studies showed that racial bias was not that much of a factor with OLD. She posted two videos of an attractive man and woman who put up dating profiles then showed up to the dates in fat suits. What does that prove? A better one would be if the profiles were of fat people from the start. She is an attractive women and she would have you to believe that she gets no messages or responses...common people, you don't really believe in that sh*t. If you don't think men have a hard time getting responses, just look at the profile review section on this site. And for the record, men still do the majority of initial contacts with OLD. If women had it so bad the contact ratio would be 50/50. Like a poster said... create two profiles with pictures of two average looking middle age people, one woman and one man, and see which one gets the most traffic.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 169 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/29/2018 10:04:40 AM
People should also watch this video about dating preferences hosted by a very smart women who has some good observations about unrealistic dating expectations. This video is a reaction to another video. - https://youtu.be/4lp-ONTyMkM
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 168 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/29/2018 9:06:22 AM
Back to the body positive ad thing.. Do a google image search for "women body positive ad campaign", then do one for "men body positive ad campaign", and tell me what you see... a picture speaks a thousand words.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 166 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/29/2018 8:54:39 AM
^^^^^^^^^
The more you type the more you prove my point. So, women don't look at attractiveness? Studies have shown that women get way more responses with OLD than men. Of course attractive women will get more messages but attractive men get way more responses than average men. The bottom line is that both parties can be guilty of shopping for ideal and unrealistic dates. But, I got to go back to the studies that proved that women online judge male attractiveness more harshly than males judge women. And about the 13-14 size thing, I have seen posters of women way larger than that in their underwear, just saying. There are countless adds and movements to reassure women about their beauty, and if women fear being judged, it is often other women that they fear the most..... So enough with the childish "girls rule, boys drool" bull sh*t. I know, guys choose to be losers but women are always realistic and honest.... Again... Just a princess complex.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 164 (view)
 
Is dating harder for men or women?
Posted: 8/29/2018 12:03:16 AM
Dating can be hard for both parties but guys will have the hardest time getting dates. Like I have mentioned before, online dating sites have done research that states women only find 20% of men who use OLD attractive and men see 50% of the women as being attractive. The idea that most men see themselves as being more attractive than they are is also absurd. Some guys might think that way but in today's society it is the women that are reassured that they are pretty no matter the looks or body type. You can walk by a store that carries clothing for bigger women and see pictures in the window of obese women in underwear for all to see. Can you tell me the last time you walked by a men's clothing store and saw a picture of an overweight guy with a beer gut and plumbers crack standing in his tight whites in the front window? I thought so... The difference is women are encouraged to talk about their insecurities while men are not. I am not MGTOW but it is tiring hearing the whole "well, most guys are losers so that is why women have it so bad", and I ask you, If most guys are losers, then are they not at a disadvantage? The idea that people like JUJU are trying to portray is that they are so far above most of these silly guys, but they also will never admit a guy is at a disadvantage because they see that as letting guys off the hook. So basically it is a lose, lose situation. A guy has to be confident but if he is, he is delusional.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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Do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 8/6/2018 9:58:33 PM
If a person does not like someone because they are not enough of a challenge then that person has some issues. If you look at many profiles of women on these sites you will see "I want no more drama", "tired of jerks", so on and so forth. Which is it? Do women want character and loyalty or drama? Most men who have character will not make drama just to create a soap opera for entertainment purposes. The problem is that many women may want the challenge but when they really start to fall for a guy, they then want him to all of the sudden become stable and loyal. What a crock of sh*t. If there are women who are like that they need more time in therapy before they date. Basically, many of these women are not worth the trouble and will never find happiness. You have to ask yourself, who has the problem, the "nice guy", or the women who actually want drama?
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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Do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 8/6/2018 2:06:25 PM
^^^^^^
I think the problem grew because the men started to adapt but the women did not. The women changed in theory but not in practice. This led to both men and women being more conflicted about what women really want. When you add the phenomenon of instant gratification and quick fix thinking, the emphasis is increasingly pushed toward the short term so things like character and honesty start to take a backseat anyway.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 94 (view)
 
Do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 8/6/2018 12:54:37 PM
To shed some light on this conversation, Christopher Hitchens had a lot of good statements about modern feminism and how it helped give birth to the "victim" mentality that eventually spread to men as well. As someone who was in college in the 90s, there was a big push by many women declaring that they did not want the "typical" man anymore. They wanted a "friend first" type guy that was not the sex hungry hunter type that was seen as ideal in the past because these types of men were the "abusers". So, men started to change their approach to demonstrate that they were not the aggressive alpha type, which led to false representation to gain female favor and flew against the natural attraction rules. Long story short, the women actually remained attracted to the more aggressive men even though they were being told that these men were bad, and many men started to forget how to assert themselves the way men traditionally did when approaching women. This problem is still lingering today and now the men are starting to hang onto the poor me status that has produced things like the MGTOW movement. This whole "nice guy" phenomenon is more complex than many realize.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 8/3/2018 8:13:29 AM
After doing some research and thinking back to some of my schooling. It appears that women tend to gravitate towards guys who are less "nice" when looking for short term dating but like "nice guys" for long term dating. In today's dating climate people tend to look at dating as a short term thing that can build into something more if the relationship progresses. In the past people used to look at dating more as a way to obtain a long term partner. I also believe that women who have been hurt feel more comfortable with guys who are less nice because if the relationship does not work out, it softens the hurt due to being less emotionally invested. So basically, if fun is the main goal, "nice guys" probably will finish last. It makes sense if you really look at it.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 23 (view)
 
The notion of nice guys is cheap, paperback fiction.
Posted: 8/2/2018 8:37:03 AM
Many of the women on here are proving my point. With all of the "nice guys" are usually manipulative statements, sounds to me like just bad experiences and sour grapes. If "nice guys" are jerks and "bad boys" are jerks, then what kind of guy is left? Is it possible that women who have had bad experiences start looking for a guy that does not exist? Like "the perfect guy"...which does not exist. And, is the "nice guy" always manipulative?, or is the "nice" thing not assertive and dominant enough? Maybe "nice" is sometimes mistaken as weak. Terms like selfish, entitled, and manipulative seems like "bad boys" and PUA stuff to me. Don't give "nice guys" a bad name just because some of you can't tell the difference.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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Do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 8/1/2018 9:53:14 PM
I know this sounds crazy but this is why I went back to dating younger ladies. I am in my 40s and my lady is in her 20s. We have been dating for 3 years and she is hot and she loves the whole "nice" thing, and I can also say that for other younger ladies I have dated in the past. I feel that many ladies in their 30s and 40s look for reasons to dislike guys and they self-sabotage situations. Maybe it is due to being hurt in the past or a generational thing. I don't know and I don't care to be honest.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Modern dating
Posted: 7/23/2018 11:46:43 PM
It is true that women want an independent and self-sufficient man. The problem is, that alone is not near enough for women who have many suitors. If you think about the tinder and OKC studies in which women declared that only 20% of the men were attractive, the whole having a job and car thing is not going to make them change their minds about attractiveness. If you look at studies about what women want in a man you will see a lot of dichotomy like statements. "I like a guy who dresses nice but he is not materialistic or self-focused" , "I want a guy who is confident but not conceded" , "I want a guy who is tough but a softy". The bottom line is that most women want a guy who can wear many hats.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Modern dating
Posted: 7/23/2018 9:51:44 AM
As someone who has worked many years in the mental health and retail business, I can tell you that most people don't really want to be treated equal or fair, they want to be treated special. In the traditional game of dating the men have to chase, impress, open doors, pay for dates, and ultimately try to win the ladies over. The ladies get all the attention and have the choice to pick the best suitor. In this format the ladies feel special, that is why even with OLD the men basically do all the approaching. Women still have many obstacles and disadvantages in other areas, why would they give up power in one of the areas they have an advantage? Look at the engagement ring, after WW1 the engagement ring basically disappeared because it was seen as being unnecessary. The De Beers diamond company launched an aggressive add campaign which promoted expensive diamond engagement rings based on the idea that the women should expect nothing less. It has caught on and is still the standard today. Most men today would not dare ask a woman for marriage without an engagement ring. Why, because it makes the woman feel special.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 562 (view)
 
the women may get short, the men may be short, but the posts are long
Posted: 7/10/2018 8:40:59 PM
^^^^^^
This post basically proves my point. Men are way more versatile when it comes to what they find attractive, and yes, way less picky. Also, any physical preference can be seen as a fetish, even tall men. Plus size women are no more of a fetish than tall men. Even mainstream magazines like Smooth showcase a lot of women that would be considered plus size. When it comes to height, Prince was mentioned. His sex appeal was not just about fame but how he carried himself, he oozed sex. If he wrote and preformed that same music and looked and played like Paul Simon, he would not have been seen as sexy as he was. But anyway, if a guy in today's age went around and said that bigger girls cannot be as sexy as thin girls, he would be chased out of most circles. Men tend to look for what they like, women tend to look for ideal men. That is why most women rate male photos from profiles as only 20% being attractive and men rate women about 50%-50%.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 473 (view)
 
Prejudice versus short men online dating.
Posted: 6/30/2018 10:34:19 PM
^^^^
Well, the biggest problem is how clueless these statements are. The fact of the matter is the porn industry has tons of magazines and sites devoted to showcasing overweight women. If no men found them attractive, these things would not exist, and it has to be more than just a few men to justify the amount out there. Men's tastes are way more divers than you may realize. Your initial statement was that no short man could really be physically attractive. Really....you are going to stand by this stuff. If there was a guy who posted stuff about overweight women on here like that, someone like you would not look at that guy in a positive light. If you say yes, you are either lying or very superficial. You cannot BS your way out of that.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 470 (view)
 
Prejudice versus short men online dating.
Posted: 6/30/2018 7:44:59 PM
^^^^
I ask you ladies.. how would you feel about a man who had that kind of reasoning?
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 469 (view)
 
Prejudice versus short men online dating.
Posted: 6/30/2018 7:42:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^
Let's change some of these words around and see how it looks......

"Some guys like heavy girls"


Not really. A more accurate assessment would be is that they like the girl as a person and she just happens to be heavy. Do you really think if Mindy Kaling was not famous she would have any luck with men?

Heavy women are already coming to the plate with two strikes. There needs to be something extraordinary about them (talent, very high self-confidence) for their weight to be a non-issue, or not-as-big-an-issue.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 141 (view)
 
Why do girls stop replying?
Posted: 6/30/2018 7:30:37 PM
Something else I have posted in the past...

Interesting enough, I was listening to a talk radio station today and they had a female OLD expert on taking calls from women having trouble with OLD. Most of the women claimed that they could not find any good guys online. The expert claimed that a lot of women are looking for reasons to avoid a date instead of giving guys a chance, and if they have a bad date they become even more guarded. But, she also pointed out that more guys they see the better chance they have of meeting someone special....go figure. With OLD it is the women that are usually dragging their feet, this has been pointed out with statistics in the past and it still continues.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 126 (view)
 
Why do girls stop replying?
Posted: 6/30/2018 1:39:46 AM
Bottom line is OLD does not work very well. In the US over 50 million people have tried OLD and studies have shown that only 5% of them obtained a committed relationship using an OLD site. So basically only 2.5 million people out of 50 million were successful at initiating a committed relationship using OLD. That is why OLD commercials used to say "1 in 5 relationships start online" because those numbers include all web based interaction from FB to Reddit, online gaming sites, all forums and fan pages and everything in between. They had to use misleading stats because the real numbers are just not that flattering.. and that IS the bottom line.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Why do girls stop replying?
Posted: 6/30/2018 1:32:51 AM
I have posted on this before. Studies have proven that women judge men's looks harsher when using OLD. OKC did a study a few years back that showed women only found about 20% of males using the sight as attractive. Men judged the ladies about 50-50, which is what the site expected. This study was posted on the OKC blog but recently it was taken down. It was probably taken down because they don't want more men leaving the site. Similar studies have been done with others sites and apps and the results are mostly the same. That is why OLD does not work well for most guys.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 130 (view)
 
CLEAVAGE
Posted: 6/18/2018 12:12:35 AM
There is an interesting study floating out there where a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything. If the pictures were of an average looking guy, he would just be a creep. I think this is true of both genders. The problem is many women will not admit to it. I'm sure the ladies that respond to this guy would never admit they would seek out a dude that acts like that.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 374 (view)
 
hey, don't get short with us :)
Posted: 5/3/2018 10:40:11 PM
I have posted on this before. Studies have proven that women judge men's looks harsher when using OLD. OKC did a study a few years back that showed women only found about 20% of males using the sight as attractive. Men judged the ladies about 50-50, which is what the site expected. This study was posted on the OKC blog but recently it was taken down. It was probably taken down because they don't want more men leaving the site. Similar studies have been done with others sites and apps and the results are mostly the same. That is why OLD does not work well for most guys.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 130 (view)
 
Men who wear sunglasses in their profiles
Posted: 3/3/2018 10:39:34 PM
That's the difference between OLD for many women and most men. Browneyes posted that she had like 12 guys that messaged her recently who only have pictures with sun glasses and hats on. I used OLD for like two years and can count the number of responses I got back on one hand. Guys pictures with hats and sun glasses- first world problem in comparison.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 58 (view)
 
How would women advice givers fare as an average man on POF?
Posted: 2/25/2018 8:08:24 PM
^^^^^^
No alcoholics but she has a profile picture with a table covered with liquor bottles. That's another reason why OLD does not work. If I was looking at her profile I would assume she is the alcoholic. Everything we put in our profiles can and will be held against us no matter our intention. She also put in her profile that she likes to play video games....for most guys that would be a dating profile death sentence.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 83 (view)
 
Lack of empathy
Posted: 2/20/2018 11:00:13 PM
Some of you guys are taking the bar and dance club comparison too literally. The fact of the matter is- If you keep on going to a bar that really sucks for meeting girls- are you going to continue to go back to the same bar time and time again? No, you are going to try someplace different, or try something different. For most guys OLD has become that crappy bar, that was my point, which I thought was clear if you read the whole post. I myself have a beautiful lady who is half my age, so I'm doing fine. Thanks for the concern.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 74 (view)
 
Lack of empathy
Posted: 2/19/2018 9:52:03 PM
I know a lot of guys who try OLD in the beginning send out messages that include info related to profiles, refrain from being perverted, and avoid the "hi" messages....but that still does not work. After awhile, many are going to say "screw it" and leave OLD, so that just leaves the ones trying to just get laid. Picture you are a guy who goes to a bar and there are like 3 guys for every one girl and when you do try to speak to a lady, they just roll their eyes and walk away. How many nights are you going to go through that before you say "this is not working, I'm not doing this shit anymore.".....that is OLD for most dudes.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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How would women advice givers fare as an average man on POF?
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:58:15 PM
I have been on and off of these forums for years and it used to be when a guy posted that OLD was not working for him, he was usually attacked and labeled a loser or a whiner by ladies and white knights. I posted many things backed by studies and stats that proved that OLD sucks for us dudes. The funny thing is, some of the white knights that used to criticize me and others like me later made posts about how OLD sucks for men... go figure. Every year the OLD supporters and cheerleaders become fewer and fewer. Why? Because the truth cannot be changed. Studies have shown that no matter what a guy does online, women still view 80% of men who use OLD as unattractive. I don't think it is totally about all the men being that bad, but the platform of OLD. It is more likely that women see men who use OLD as desperate or creepy no matter what they do.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Not as interesting as you think
Posted: 10/29/2017 8:01:32 PM
^^^^^
I can tell you that when I tried OLD I put up a positive profile, listed interests, and never just sent "hi" messages. Guess what? It did not matter. It does not for many guys who try OLD. I tried POF to meet ladies closer to my age range. I decided to stick with real life and with the younger ladies. In the profile review section I was told by most that my profile was not good enough, but it seems that nothing is good enough.
Interesting enough, I was listening to a talk radio station today and they had a female OLD expert on taking calls from women having trouble with OLD. Most of the women claimed that they could not find any good guys online. The expert claimed that a lot of women are looking for reasons to avoid a date instead of giving guys a chance, and if they have a bad date they become even more guarded. But, she also pointed out that more guys they see the better chance they have of meeting someone special....go figure. With OLD it is the women that are usually dragging their feet, this has been pointed out with statistics in the past and it still continues.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Not as interesting as you think
Posted: 10/28/2017 9:25:15 PM
Reading these forums it is clear that many women want guys to prove themselves online, which is difficult to do. For the women, them just being themselves is good enough but the guys better bring something special to the table. And.... a guy can never say he is at any disadvantage ever. - Girls don't often make the first move... oh yes they due. Girls don't respond to messages....oh yes they do, just not to your messages. Girls don't agree to many dates online....oh yes they do, just not with you. For the ladies- Well most of these guys are pervs, losers, players, and wimps....you know it girl..preach it!!! I would never use OLD anymore because I know that many women see any guy using OLD as a loser, even if it is on a subconscious level.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 107 (view)
 
Not as interesting as you think
Posted: 10/28/2017 9:25:02 PM
Reading these forums it is clear that many women want guys to prove themselves online, which is difficult to do. For the women, them just being themselves is good enough but the guys better bring something special to the table. And.... a guy can never say he is at any disadvantage ever. - Girls don't often make the first move... oh yes they due. Girls don't respond to messages....oh yes they do, just not to your messages. Girls don't agree to many dates online....oh yes they do, just not with you. For the ladies- Well most of these guys are pervs, losers, players, and wimps....you know it girl..preach it!!! I would never use OLD anymore because I know that many women see any guy using OLD as a loser, even if it is on a subconscious level.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 68 (view)
 
Women making the first move...
Posted: 10/6/2017 10:57:11 PM
I tell you what browneyes.... Next time there is a concert or a festival near you. Say you are doing a study for a collage sociology class and ask each heterosexual couple you see to tell you which one made the first move. If the numbers are like 50/50 or even 60/40 you can make your claim. Until then, we will have to go with the facts. I can easily say I knew a few one handed jugglers so that must mean that half of all jugglers must be one handed. As you see, what people say as a matter of personal experience does not make it the norm. Sorry....
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Women making the first move...
Posted: 10/6/2017 9:03:53 AM
@ browneyes. It is true that SOME women make the first move, overall numbers say that they usually don't. Even with OLD, statistics show that men initiate 80% of the interactions. IRL the numbers may be a little better but many studies done and even covered in different women's magazines still state that over 75% of women prefer that men make the first move. Some of the reasoning given has to do with men being seen as confident by making first moves, women feeling desperate or easy by being to eager, and the fear and embarrassment of rejection. You don't believe me, look it up.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Message response rate
Posted: 10/4/2017 11:59:25 AM
Bottom line is OLD does not work very well. In the US over 50 million people have tried OLD and studies have shown that only 5% of committed relationship start with an OLD site. So basically only 2.5 million out of 50 million for successful relationships started using OLD. That is why OLD commercials used to say "1 in 5 relationships start online" because those numbers include all web based interaction from FB to Reddit, online gaming site, all forums and fan pages and everything in between. They had to use misleading stats because the real numbers are not flattering.. and that IS the bottom line.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Interesting trend
Posted: 9/28/2017 11:16:32 PM
^^^^^
You are not entirely correct with this philosophy. With OLD numbers can totally effect your chances. If you are in an area where guys outnumber ladies 2 to 1. If every girl decided to pair up with a guy on the site that would still leave 50% of the guys empty handed....and that is a best case scenario with those numbers.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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Are you willing....?
Posted: 9/7/2017 11:41:56 PM
It is common for most guys to have poor response rates with OLD. This has been mentioned many times on these forums and it is a long time problem. Studies have shown that the average guy has to send out over 75 messages per one response from a female. If you are a guy who is under 40, you will do much better offline.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 715 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 9/7/2017 10:22:18 AM
^^^^^
I have to make a clarification. When I stated that it was not my opinion that there is a lack of quality women using OLD, that is a current reflection. In the past I would have agreed that in my area the amount of good profiles were limited. I recently came back to the site and one of the first things I did was look at a lot of profiles in my area. They have improved a great deal. There were a lot less of the sex attention ones with just pictures of buts and boobs while stating "they are not just interested in sex", and there were less of the long check list ones that demand that a man has to be basically perfect if he wants to send a message. I am in a relationship so I won't be sending any messages but as far as the profiles in my area the women have improved.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 714 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 9/7/2017 8:08:41 AM
In response to what -site to sight- mentioned about what would happen if a guy said this about women. In the past on here when a guy suggested that the quality of women using OLD was not that great, (which is not my opinion BTW), they were immediately attacked by men and women alike. So, ya.. there is a double standard.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Anyone getting replies here?
Posted: 9/5/2017 9:11:58 AM
^^^^^^
I'm sure they were shown a few pictures from each profile and the pictures probably varied. Either way, you kind of answered your own question. "I'm sure it's the same for a lot women-the guy must be buff and athletic looking as well as having a good looking face." Now ask yourself, does that sound like an "average" guy?
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Anyone getting replies here?
Posted: 9/5/2017 8:29:37 AM
Attractiveness is not necessarily a comparison driven concept. If you look a five people who you feel are unattractive you are not really thinking about how they would appear to an average person, or how they compare to other people. Either you find them attractive or not. I am sure the ladies in the studies were shown pictures from male profiles and were asked to rate them as above average, average, or below average. From what I remember, one of the reasons for doing the study was to find out why only 20% of the male profiles were getting responses back from females.
 patchmanjoker
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:13:18 AM
^^^^
well, my example only covers 5 picture, but you get the point.
 patchmanjoker
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:09:37 AM
^^^^^^^
No, not really. If I showed you ten pictures of ugly people would you be inclined to rate two as below, two as above, and one as average. Of course not, you would say "man, all these pictures are ugly". For whatever reason many guys rate low when women judge their profile pictures.
 patchmanjoker
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The greatest age to be single.
Posted: 9/4/2017 10:42:31 PM
^^^^^^^
I'm glad you have finally seen the light about OLD. In the past you sang a different tune. Welcome to the truth. Glad to see your honesty.
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Posted: 9/4/2017 10:32:02 PM
As I have stated in the past years ago, women tent to dislike guys who use OLD. Tinder has declared that men are 6.2 times more likely to give females a "like" swipe vs females towards men. OKC did a study a few years ago and found that women on that site see 80% of the men on there as "below average" and when the men judge the women it is about 50/50.... now also take into consideration there are more men on these sites than women. In the past it has also been mentioned in studies that the average man using OLD has to sent out over 75 messages per 1 response from a woman. The truth don't lie..LOL
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Msg: 702 (view)
 
When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 8/11/2017 9:07:58 AM
In addition- I have talked to many ladies about dating and most have a list of qualifications and usually the thing that they all say at the top of the list is that they just want a "nice guy", "good guy" sort of thing. Now, if that's actually true or not, is another argument. But...when I ask them what they have to offer they usually say "I'm nice", "sweet", "understanding". The bottom line is most people are going to present "nice" as one of there good qualities, even if they are not. That is why getting to know someone is soooooo important. What good is a hot person if they treat you like crap....oh that's right, you say that nice does not matter and there are no decent people left.
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When women say there are no decent guys is what they really mean...
Posted: 8/11/2017 8:47:24 AM
If I heard someone say that there are no decent people to date I would look at their situation. If they were very unattractive, I could see how there options would be smaller. Even still, there are other people in the same situation that are also looking for love. The bottom line is the whole "there are no decent people out there" is an unrealistically broad statement. Really, really, there are NOOOOO decent people to date. The late great Steven Covey once said that one of our current problems in the way modern people think has to do with our obsession with "short term, quick fix, and instant gratification thinking".
 patchmanjoker
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How many people actually go on a second date ?
Posted: 8/7/2017 11:29:44 PM
Norwegian Guy brings up a good point about the "Nice Guy" vibe, but that is one of the limitations of OLD. You are on a date with a stranger, for the most part, so you are going to be on your best behavior and you might be trying too hard to make a good first impression. That is not a natural way to meet someone for the first time. A casual "IRL" meeting situation does not have the pressure or expectation of an actual date.
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How many people actually go on a second date ?
Posted: 8/7/2017 11:15:56 PM
It does not surprise me that there are few second dates. Studies have shown that 33% of all people who try OLD will not even go on one single date. I highly doubt the other 67% are going on tons of dates. I am confident that the number of dates generated by OLD is very low compared to the amount of people who use these sites.
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View of OLD
Posted: 8/2/2017 10:25:05 AM
Anyway-- Love at first sight does happen but it does not happen for everyone. Some people who have strong initial feelings like that may also be too impulsive. We tend to hear about the "happily ever after" stories involving love at first sight but we don't always hear about the train wrecks.
 
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