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Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 24 (view)
Will they really say anything?
Posted: 2/11/2013 4:49:57 PM

I wouldn't take this as in any way indicative of what you can expect from other men.

Normally I wouldn't but it seems like pretty much every guy I've met wants to sleep with me, going to varying lengths to pretend it's something else. They usually give it up once they realize I'm not that easy, but I haven't had a guy actually want to get to know me for a long time now.

Totally gross. He was just saying all that crap about being shy to boast your ego. Maybe he thought that you'd find it cute or feel special that he needed to gather courage to talk to you. Bleh. His ONLY intention is to sleep with you. Everything else he said has been lies. It's all an act, please don't fall for this weirdo's b.s.

I'm not. He actually sent me a message this morning asking for another chance. I had a split second urge to slap him upside the head with a wet codfish, but any interest I had in him is completely gone.

when a person's behavior is doesn't matter why. its weird. who wants weird in their life?

Not me, but I seem to get more than my fair share of weirdos. Just today in the elevator a random guy asked me if I were willing to give it a go with a married guy whose wife can't have sex because she's got "woman cancer".

Apparently you will write anything to get some attention.


No doubt you could write something better that 'Fifty Shades of Grey', girl. Go for it<

Nah, if I wanted attention I'd just go on someone's thread and call them names. Then I'd feel all special for having "caught on" to something I made up in my head. Also, I'd never read that kind of pap.

All he knows is he has a strange urge to bite her in the arse.

Apparently arse vampirism is rampant where I'm from. Happened to me once standing at a bar, and I didn't even get a drink out of it.

Of course he wants sex with you, you're not that dumb. He'll just take ANYTHING. If being able to come over at night & have beer and not have sex is agreed to -- he'll take it! He has a huge crush! Of course, with some booze, playing some games, late at night to spend the night -- yeah, he knows that there's a good chance for any girl to agree to that is going to let stuff happen at some point. Why would she invite you over, ya know?

I know he wants to have sex with me, I just don't understand the pretense. And I'm pretty insulted that he thought I'd be dumb enough to fall for it. He doesn't have a crush either. When I asked him about going out on a date, that's when he said he's not looking for anything serious. So no, he doesn't have a crush... I don't even rate a night out doing something fun.

You shouldn't be one-on-one friends with any guy who you aren't into when he's clearly into you. It's silly and insecure to want them to be your friends.

Of course not. I have lots of friends, and there's no reason to add another one to the mix.

Anyway, he may be truthful about not using anyone for sex. He just has BAD GAME, and his hormones are dictating the way within his socially-retarded view. :) He doesn't want to be just friends -- but he'd probably take that option, but he'd constantly pursue you... but even if he didn't and shifted gears -- still -- don't be one-on-one friends with guys who totally like you, even if they're being cool about it. Agreeing/wanting to be one-on-one friends with a guy who wants you when you don't want him, even if he's cool about it, is just a sign of insecurity & wanting attention/validation.

Pursue me for what exactly? He doesn't want to date me, and he doesn't want to f*ck me, and unless he's kissing and cuddling with his buddies he doesn't want friendship either. So there's not a whole lot left that I can see.

But I've heard from him a few times now... asking me for "another chance". If I weren't ignoring him, I'd ask him "A chance to do what exactly?". Something tells me it would just be more platitudes that really don't mean anything.

Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
Will they really say anything?
Posted: 2/10/2013 11:09:54 AM
I do know better Walts, I've been ignoring him for days now.

I'm just wondering just how far some men will go to get into someone's pants, why they think we're so stupid, and why they turn it back on us for "reading too much" into it as if to make it seem like there's something defective in us. Kinda like you just did.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 5 (view)
Will they really say anything?
Posted: 2/10/2013 11:02:24 AM
He told me himself that he never intended to ask me out. And that his intention is NOT to sleep with me. He wants to be my friend, apparently the kind of friend who calls up at midnight to come over with beer, cuddle with me all night and wake me up to kisses the next morning. He also said that he wants this kind of "friendship" because I'm so hot.

It doesn't make sense, and it seems like an awful lot of skeezy, underhanded trouble to go to to get into someone's pants.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
Will they really say anything?
Posted: 2/10/2013 10:48:39 AM
^^^ To his female boss though? O.o
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
Will they really say anything?
Posted: 2/10/2013 10:30:38 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I am an incredibly literal person and tend to take people at face value. I have a hard time spotting insincere people or liars unless it's super obvious.

So about a week ago I was in a line up at a coffee shop near where I work. The guy in the lineup ahead of me spoke to me but seemed super shy and nervous about it, then insisted on paying for my order. I thanked him, smiled and left. I saw him 3 or 4 times after that but he always turned red and looked away. Then one day he was super friendly again and insisted on walking me back to work.... then told me that he would really like to have my number but that he had to work the nerve up to ask me because he was sure I'd say no.

He told me all about how excited he was that I even spoke to him, how he was irritating his co-workers by talking about me constantly, how he pointed me out to his boss as I was walking by and how his boss "approved".

I texted a bit and spoke through chat on facebook when he started asking if he could buy beer and come over, or come over and surf porn with me. I ignored it the first couple of times, and he wrote back and told me that he was sorry for being sexual. He did it a couple more times.... I told him that it was no biggie but that I wasn't interested in pursuing anything with him. He asked why and I told him that it would be stupid of me to start something with someone who talked about sex before he'd even asked me out on a date.

He came back and said basically that I'd misread him and that he didn't want anything serious... well, I don't either. I want to casually date without being pressured into a relationship, to go fun places and hang out and *gasp* even have sex. I explained this to him, and he came back with some jumble of words that basically said "Well, I think you're an incredibly hot woman and I would love to be your friend. I'd love to cuddle you at night and wake up to you in the morning and have you teach me stuff about gaming but I'm not into using people for sex and I don't want to seriously date anyone."

So basically, he wants to come over late at night and game/drink beer/"not" have sex but that's going to be the extent of the friendship. I've been ignoring him ever since, but it's making me wonder for the next time...

Will a guy really go to these lengths to secure a f***-puppet? Is it possible that he really doesn't just want to get laid? I mean, the last thing I'd do if I wanted to knock boots with a guy is tell my friends, family and co-workers about him, especially if we worked in the same building. And I certainly wouldn't want to be "just friends" then talk constantly about how hot they are. I feel like I'm missing something here ... and I don't want to end up being one of those women who is suspicious of anything a man says because taking them at face value keeps biting me in the arse.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 719 (view)
The War on Women
Posted: 10/26/2012 6:35:56 PM

What a load of bunk. The cornerstone of Roe V. Wade was that people have a right to privacy when it come to their medical decisions. People don't have "different" rights dependent on which area of the country they live in.

Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 700 (view)
Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent Design
Posted: 7/12/2012 6:13:05 AM

At some point, you have to understand that you have a better chance of explaining nuclear physics to a dog. But for Vishnu's sake don't make the next generation as dumb as you are by making part of the school curricula.

I explained it to my daughters at a very young age by pulling out a family tree. I compared the first life forms as the great-grandparents, who then have children who are made up of their basic parts but are still different when it comes to gender, hair colour, etc. Then they have other children who are made of their parts but are different. And that the children with black hair went on to have mostly black-haired descendents while their cousins down the road with blonde hair kept having blond children. And I compared the great-grandparents to single-celled organisms, their children as the multi-celled, etc. and that the "generations" are actually the passage of millions of years.

It worked for 3 and 5 year olds. Unless there are a lot more people than I thought with traumatic brain injuries, then this is just willful ignorance on their part. We need to point that out every time they do, or they're going to hold us back.

Evolution supports spontaneous generation at its core, what is scientific about that? My 3rd grade brother dis-proved spontaneous generation w/ a pickle jar and some aluminum foil.

He disproved nothing. Life needs some very specific conditions in order to grow. Using this experiment to disprove spontaneous generation is like "disproving" gravity by hanging a ball from a piece of string and declaring invalid because the ball didn't fall to the ground. Or "disproving" human conception by wiping your sperm on a piece of paper and gloating when a baby doesn't start to form. Ugh.

Evolution does not deal w/ the orgin of life, but evolutionist who do not support ID are left w/ the only option of believing life comes from non-life.

Obviously you have very simplistic thought processes, but there's got to be room for one more. We don't know for sure, and the best guess is not that we came from nothing, but that particles from stars just happened to be present in the right mix and came across the right catalyst. Since we've had the ability and knowledge to re-create a similar event for 60 years now, there's no reason to suspect differently until we have more advanced abilities and knowledge.

And because we can re-create it to some extent, more weight has to be given to it than the "magical sky daddy swooped down from his cloud and waved his hand" bunk.

Fossil records do not support a long evolutionary process but instead show rapid explosions of clearly defined species w/in the timeline.

That's... because.... we... don't.... have... a.... complete.... fossil.... record.... yet. Whining about this is akin to whining that the entire criminal justice system is bunk because police don't know a criminal's every single movement from the time they committed a crime until they were arrested. Ugh.

Actually a big sector of evolutionist denounce the slow gradual process idea and believe in rapid evolution from species to species

Name 3. And then tell us what they meant by rapid.

Go back and re-examine the info we have on early humans. Fossils like Nebraska man which life magazine published as a full human fossil and came up w/ a story of how it lived and survived, and it turned out to be nothing but a pigs tooth and some bird bones. Other famous findings have since been debunked, like the fossil Lucy which is now identified as a pure primate. In fact there is not one fossil which is accredited as being an evolutionary transitional human fossil. The things we learned years ago as kids that were presented as fact by our teachers and parents were wrong.

Then by your logic, nobody gets raped because some people falsely accused others. Ugh.

Here. And before you say the video is fake, I grew up right next to this place. As teens my friends and I would go up there all the time camping. Some of those fossils were actually discovered and named by a friend of mine. Over 4000 visible fossils, spread out over an area this large.... there's no way this could have been faked. I know you're looking for the "missing link" but we haven't found it yet. And when we do, I just know your type will be asking for "more information"... specifically something else you know we haven't found yet.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 6/10/2012 8:32:01 AM
Alright, a very long but basic update.

- My friend refused to allow her daughter back in the house until counseling was in place and ex was given supervised access.

- Child stayed with her aunt for a month

- CPS sent a social worker to my friend's house who was incredibly rude and confrontational. She refused to speak to her again and at every contact she repeated her request for a new social worker. The social worker in question and their manager makes the decision and they decided she was not allowed to have one.

- She was finally given a new social worker 3 weeks later, but was told because she's "non-cooperative" that her daughter could not be returned.

- Her ex filed an emergency order to have full custody granted to him. He subpoenaed the two social workers and misrepresented to the judge that they were backing his bid for custody. Social workers were ejected from the hearing when they admitted that they were not there in any official capacity. My friend was allowed to explain why she wanted supervised access for her ex and a trial date was set for June.

- Knowing that she would be able to prove her bid for supervised access, she called the social worker after the hearing to set up counseling and the rest. The social worker said the child couldn't be returned because "nothing had changed" and that she still needed to follow the recommendations of the original social worker.

- My friend contacted her MHA and the provincial CPS office to lodge a complaint against the first social worker and to request the immediate return of her child. Monday morning she was contacted to have a meeting with the new social worker and her supervisor. She questioned them vigorously and caught them lying and called them on it. The manager told her to watch it because they have all the power. She lodged another complaint.

- Right after the meeting with the supervisor, CPS went to court to obtain an emergency warrant to have her daughter removed from the aunt's care and given to the father. The information in the warrant was based on the first social worker's report, with the only reasons for emergency removal were 4 different alleged incidents that my friend can prove didn't happen.

- Between the hearing and the trial, her daughter refused all attempts at contact and her ex filed 7 more applications for various things. During the next case management hearing, it was noted that there were 6 different dates set for hearings and nobody knew why until she pointed out that they were all filed AFTER the date for the trial was set. He was warned not to file again and to bring up all issues at the trial. He filed 3 more after that, one for child support, one for child support from my friend and one for a rebate of the child support.

- At the trial she was able to give evidence and question her ex and his witnesses, including the social workers and basically cut them off at the knees. 3 minutes into questioning her ex, his attitude earned him a contempt of court warning. She also caught him in lie after lie, to which he said that it didn't matter because "stuff like that happened in the past". She proved that her daughter should never have been given to her ex and that the warrant in question should never have been filed since there were so many "mistakes". She also got the social worker to testify that she believed that their involvement had been brought on because of "reports that could not be substantiated" and that in spite of that, the number of calls were the main reason that they had concerns. Then she got her to testify that since CPS is bound to investigate ALL complaints, that it could be used to intimidate and harass parents.

As a result of the trial....

- Her ex has been ordered not to contact CPS, the police, my friend, her friends, or anyone else about her. He also told him that if he finds a loophole and tries contact through another avenue that he had better pray that he's not the judge for the next trial.

- He told the ex to get a lawyer

- He's writing a personal letter to the head of CPS to ask that they start the investigation into my friend over and that she be given a social worker she's compatible with. He's also asking that they investigate the social worker in question.

- He's ordered a court appointed counselor to work with my friend and her kids.

- He's writing a personal letter to legal aid to request that they give my friend an exception based on extraordinary circumstances

- He's ordering an investigation into the handling of the case by CPS, the police and the courts to find out why this had dragged on for so long without intervention.

- The child is to remain with the father for now but under the care of CPS. He was told that it was only because he's afraid if she returns home without help that her mother and sister are in danger. He also said that the only reason she's not going into foster care instead is because he feels that 3 moves in 3 months would be too much. Especially so since the most likely outcome of the next trial is that she would be returned.

He also spent almost an hour telling her ex off about the behavior and how he may have ruined his own child for life. He "advised" him to seek counseling as he's obviously a very troubled person. He was told that he needs to understand that once a relationship ends, that it's over and that my friend has just as much of a right to move on as he does. He was told that he cannot force himself onto someone else, etc. He also agreed with my friend that parental alienation was clearly at play in this situation.

Looks like my friend will have a bit of a battle ahead of her to fix her relationship with her daughter, but things are looking a lot better than they were when this thread was originally posted.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 35 (view)
Why Are Women So Mean to Other Women?
Posted: 5/20/2012 3:58:57 AM

notatowniegirl: I would not consider such a person a friend. I wouldn't put up with this BS for a moment. I was friendly with a woman from work a few years ago. We did some things together. She was not happy with her social life and started taking it out on me, being critical and what I consider abusive, verbally. I stopped doing anything with her at that point.

My real friends, male and female, are people I admire and respect. We treat each other with total consideration and respect. I don't take real friends for granted and I don't have as friends people who act in ways I don't admire and respect.

Like I said, I'm giving her a break because she's going through a really rough time right now and we've been friends for almost a decade. I was with her for a couple of hours of pool last night and she never said an unkind word to me. I think she may have learned her lesson. There won't be a second warning :)

notatowniegirl... wow... just wow. After the first couple insults I would have nipped it in the butt. Please don't let anyone talk to you like that. You were kind enough to be there for her therefore you deserve accolades, not insult.

Thanks, and normally I wouldn't. We do have a blunt honesty kind of friendship ( for example: Oh hon, you shouldn't wear those jeans again because they don't flatter you) but she took it way too far. I'll keep an eye on her :D

I've always been fascinated by how women will be nice to each other in person, yet talk bad about each other in private.
You really don't see that sort of thing among men.

I have to echo what someone said earlier. I get along with men better than I do women in general because men are more simple. Please don't take offense to that because I'm not saying simple minded just not as complicated *insert joke that every thing a man does means that he wants sex*. With women I'm constantly suspicious of motives and their propensity for drama (usually in the form of talking behind your back). I don't go behind people's backs at all and will say exactly what's on my mind. If it weren't for my close group of female friends to remind me that not all women are nuts I wouldn't bother with women much at all.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 5 (view)
Why Are Women So Mean to Other Women?
Posted: 5/19/2012 5:11:13 AM
I think the lady who said it's competition are right. Woman aren't supposed to be overtly aggressive like men or they get knocked hard. Stealthy and sneaky looks to be the easiest option after that.

A friend of mine recently split with her fiance. She's 43, overweight and while she isn't butt ugly she's pretty masculine looking and is feeling down right now. I tried to cheer her up by inviting her places like clubs and parties to get out of the house. The claws are really coming out now though. I'm 5'11 and 125 pounds but suddenly everything I wear (even the stuff I've had since I've known her) makes me look like my ass is huge compared to my waist. The bikini I wore last year makes me look flat-chested. My hair is too long and it's not shaped right for my face... and so on and so on. I went home with a pocket full of numbers from men last weekend and she said " Men give numbers to women like you hoping to get laid. They give numbers to women like me because they want a wife". She's really been ramping it up too. I suddenly can't even get my makeup right, because the way I do my makeup on a night out makes my eyes look so big that I look like an alien.

Just last night I told her to cool it with the unwanted opinions unless she wants me to start in on her, that I had a long list of things she needs to improve to meet my standards, and that every time she makes a crack about me I'll find one worse about her to bring up. I also told her that since she's going through a hard time I'll give her a break, but that I have an extremely low bullshite tolerance and friends like her are easily replaced. I'll have to see how it goes.

I dunno what happened to one of the paragraphs I wrote...

But she also approached several men who showed interest in me and told them that I have a crazy ex who'll cause trouble for them. She danced with one man that I'd turned down and told him that I'm high-maintenance anyway. He told his friends, one of whom I'd been having a conversation with and who stopped showing interest suddenly. At the store I couldn't decide which snacks to buy to nibble on while getting ready, and she called me a "typical female who can't make up her mind". At the grocery store a chubby remarked that I had all healthy food in my cart and that she should eat more food like that. My "friend" told her that my weight is pretty much a result of a fruit and starvation diet. And finally, I found out from a guy who decided to not date me anymore that she had been making sexual remarks to him and that she told him that we've "shared men" before and to come over. He thought it was a weird situation and decided to stay away from it altogether instead of talking to me. I asked her about it, and she said she was joking and he was an idiot for taking him seriously. It's a shame too, because I really liked him.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 39 (view)
Who do people compare you too???
Posted: 5/18/2012 4:26:29 PM
I've gotten compared to pretty much everyone. I get Catherine Zeta-Jones, Winona Rider, Audrey Hepburn, Katherine Hepburn, and even Meghan Fox from one nice drunk gentleman. I look pretty young for my age too, so a lot of the younger guys are comparing me to Felicia Day.

The one I get the most is Molly Parker though, minus the freckles.

Edit: I've gotten Emily Deschanel, Jennifer Connelly and Jennifer Garner too.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 13 (view)
Former Navy Seal Rebukes Obama
Posted: 5/13/2012 9:59:44 AM
So you're shown how you're wrong and then go ahead and post a bunch of conspiracy theories. Why should we believe you "researched" this any more than you "researched" your original post?

You'd do better trying to prove your guy is a better choice than trying to tear down the other side. Good luck with that.


Oh, and Obama looks smaller than the others in that pic because he's hunched over with his arms across his legs. As for his line of sight, you've never stopped looking at the tv or computer every once in a while? For all you know, he could have been checking a clock for the time.

This is very petty.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 286 (view)
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 3/13/2012 7:41:31 PM

Athiests do not want to be declared a religion (even though they qualify)....

Atheism is a religion just as not playing basketball is a sport.

But please, carry on....

Given the fact that there's been an all-out assault on women's rights since the GOP got elected on that pesky "jobs" platform, it's not surprising that Romney has just come out and basically confirmed that they've been gunning for PP all along.

It's time to grow some balls girls, and let them know you're not going to let someone else have more control of your life than you do.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 317 (view)
Virginia Law: Mandatory Vaginal probes
Posted: 2/29/2012 4:37:03 AM

I think everyone who posts on this thread should actually read the proposed legislation...
You all keep arguing that there is an attack on women's "Rights" what rights are you referring to that don't have to do with the killing of babies?

The right not to have someone shove something up my vagina without my consent. When you coerce someone to consent to have a probing object put into their sexual organs to access a private medical procedure it's no different than rape through coerced consent.

MY body, not yours. You have no say. You need to realize that.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
i'm spending $50 on babysitters every date-is this worth it?
Posted: 2/22/2012 4:03:09 AM
I think having to pay for a sitter to date is part and parcel of being a single parent and has no bearing on how much should be spent on you.

I have friends who are single parents and they have never asked for or expected a date to chip in for the sitter. Not only that, but they pay their share on the date. If they can't afford to go out, they'll cook something up at home and have a night in (with men they're seriously dating of course).
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
The Girl Scouts are Evil
Posted: 2/22/2012 3:57:42 AM
I came to the same conclusion after box 1 of the thin mints. This cannot be allowed to continue.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 205 (view)
Virginia Law: Mandatory Vaginal probes
Posted: 2/21/2012 3:57:16 AM

What are you talking about?..... Again, what are you talking about?

Matchlight, I was replying to someone else. Someone who is not you.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 188 (view)
Virginia Law: Mandatory Vaginal probes
Posted: 2/20/2012 4:40:22 AM
You don't get a vote in what a woman does with her body because you sleep with her. Forcing these tests on women just because you don't like that they can make decisions without your consent is wrong. Your choice could lead to her death, maiming, etc. and nobody should have more control over a person's body than that particular person.

Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 186 (view)
Virginia Law: Mandatory Vaginal probes
Posted: 2/20/2012 3:56:32 AM

I did not feel violated, molested, or uncomfortable with the tool used to #1 make sure I did not have cancer, #2, take a clearer picture at some scar tissue and #3, measured my developing baby.

Ah, but I'm sure you'd feel violated, molested, or uncomfortable if you had declined these tests and someone had done them to you by force. And that's what it is... forcing an unnecessary procedure on women who don't want them, and don't want to be forced to pay for them.

You might not be bothered but I certainly would... do whatever you like to your vagina but leave mine the hell alone.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 57 (view)
Defunding Planned Parenthood-A Painful Betrayal
Posted: 2/5/2012 9:19:52 AM
You know, I probably would have given SGK a pass on this, except for the fact that they still have ties to Bank of America.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 11:46:54 AM

notatowniegirl , Is she documenting everything the ex is doing?

Yep. She's got boxes of evidence, receipts, etc. She just needs a trial/hearing where she's allowed to give evidence. They don't let her during case management meetings and there have been 4 trials they've been wait listed for that never happened. She can't afford a lawyer so she's doing this all herself and it seems like they just kinda speed through the hearing, and give her a date to show up for the next one. She had a hearing in October, 2 in November, another last week and another scheduled for February 28th.

So there isn't a therapist under the MCP in your province that she can speak to?

Only if she has a recognized mental illness. The wait list for subsidized services are extremely high. I found a service for her through a charity just about an hour ago. The wait list is 2 months... and the only therapist there is going on maternity leave next month for a year.

So her, the whole neighborhood, CPS, the Cops and a court appointed councelor, are all so terrified of this powerful man that no one can make a move or do their job in fear of retaliation?

Nice job at jumping at conclusions. CPS isn't terrified of him, but they're duty bound to investigate all complaints. They were at her house once because she got her daughter's hair cut ffs. According to the reports they've gotten she is a computer addict that sits in front of it 22 hours a day while simultaneously leaving the children home alone all night while simultaneously being a prostitute who has her johns in the house while the girls are there. She also has no food in the house but somehow still manages to make them cook their own food. She's also got an extremely dirty house but simultaneously stand over them making them clean from the time they get home from school until they go to bed. Which isn't until 3-4 am... which is weird because it goes back to the whole staying out all night/prostitute thing. She asked about having him charged for filing false reports and they said they don't do that because it discourages people from reporting abuse.

The cops say that they're not going to charge him because it's a family court issue. The courts dismiss what she's saying almost completely out of hand and telling her that if he's harassing her to call the cops. When she's tried to sneak it in by blurting it out they tell her she needs to get over things that happened years ago and move forward from the present..

The court appointed counselor told her privately that she cushioned the language in the report to say things like "The relationship with the mother has been the most consistent" instead of saying "The father has been absent for most of their lives" because she thought it would push him over the edge.

Accusations of child abuse, neglect, AIDs, molestation and the cops and the province don't have this guys MO yet?

Of course they do, they just keep passing the buck so it isn't their problem.

Did you ever think your friend is bat shit crazy and completely full of crap?

Nope, I live just a few doors down from there. I've seen the process servers, the police, CYFS... I've seen all the court papers, the letters, the emails. He actually tried to confront me more than once until my very tall brother answered the door and suggested that he not do it again.

Personally if even 1/4 of this was true a good lawyer would advise her to pack her kids and leave town in the middle of the night. Parents move away from their Exes every day. She has nothing to lose. Dipshit would have to come get the kids himself.

She would open herself to kidnapping charges. He has joint legal custody, but no physical custody. He told the court that he thought she was a flight risk so they gave him the joint to prevent exactly that.

She has no education, no job, no money and a crazy Ex. What is she afraid of? 2-3 weeks in a shelter before Ontario, Quebec or another province offers her housing and food stamps? He does not want the kids and he does not pay support or visit them regularly other than to harass her.

Again, can't leave the province. He doesn't want the kids (he's been offered full custody on 4 occasions when she called his bluff in front of the judge and declined) but he's not going to let her enjoy them either. I've seen a letter he wrote when the kids were small telling her that he will never let her rest.... which comes back to the whole evidence/court thing.

Is she really afraid of jail, losing her kids???? Hasn't happened yet.

She is. Now that her daughter is echoing the father and claiming abuse jail is a very real possibility. The oldest daughter is already lost... she's voluntarily giving her up to foster care. She can have her back after 6 months, but what's going to stop the kid from making another false accusation then? What if they believe her?

I'm not saying the father isn't a dead beat - sounds like he is, but there are always 2 sides to any story and right now you are only getting 1.

Oh, I've gotten enough of his side to know he's a lunatic. And now his daughter is starting to follow in his footsteps. I've known this woman since before she met him (went to high school with her) and I can personally attest to the fact that when he used to pull his disappearing act the kids' behavior would improve immensely. And I know that her daughter is incredibly proud of the fact that she hasn't said "I love you" back to her mom or given her a hug for 2 years now. I've also seen her her glare at her mother with intense hate for being told to do something as simple as "Lay your plate on the counter on your way to the living room".
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 7:27:29 AM

No more to say about it. This is NOT pas and maybe time OP stops with it and gets her head on straight before her kids beat the hell out of her

I'll type this slowly so you can understand.

I.... don't.... have.... any.... kids.....
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 17 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 7:25:50 AM

that's right you did mention that earlier my mistake sorry about that

It's np :)

Im not sure what its called in NFLD, In Ontario we have OHIP(Ontario Health Insurance Plan) NewFoundland has a similar plan, maybe she can find a therapist that will bill the province health plan?She needs to defer to the experts on this.

We have MCP here, but the problem is that she would have to be diagnosed with a recognized mental illness in order to qualify. She did put her children on the list for mental services but the wait list is 3-5 years. The therapy they did get was from a counselor who had sessions with them to evaluate them and send a report back to court. She purposely cushioned the language in the report because he would receive a copy and she was afraid of retaliation for herself, the mother and the children.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 15 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 7:14:49 AM

msg 12, too bad, she won't/ can't do therapy, she sounds like she really needs it and seriously mentally ill, as who would imprision themselves, going place to place, job to job ???? hiding out as if she is in fear of her life? only a mentally ill person.

Or someone who weighs the pros/cons of normal life against the consequences. Would you have a beer on a Friday night if you knew you had to defend yourself to a stranger who knocks on your door Monday morning? Would you date a woman if you knew that after the date the police would be at her house questioning her about her beating on the children?

Like I said, I thought before she was overly paranoid. Now I know that it wasn't paranoia. She has someone breathing down her neck with every step she makes. I'd hide too.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 6:58:00 AM

I feel for the woman she is in a tough situation, a ex who is abusive, and wants control, he is probably upset because she most likely left him and he has lost control and this is his way of getting back at her.

Is your friend talking to a therapist about this?

He left her technically, she's just refused to take him back over and over. He also left her during the first pregnancy and would take off for days every time she tried to talk to him about their issues. When he did it again during the second she realized she couldn't fix someone who refused to be fixed.

She's had therapy, one "trial" session with each counselor and one session through mental health services when in school. She can't afford to pay for multiple sessions with the same counselor.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 6:42:32 AM

It is terrible but she's never been given a chance to prove it. She has tons of evidence that I've seen with my own eyes, including emails, letters, court papers, and we have mutual acquaintances. I have heard him, personally, tell his youngest that he's not her father and he has no idea who is because her mother is a whore. Until she got a court order for a neutral pickup place, the whole neighborhood has been privy to a lot of the conflict. His side of the story is that he loves his kids, wants them to have a "real family" and that she's the one standing in the way of that because she won't take him back. His ex-wife left him because of his obsession with her.

Parental alientation is DIRECTED at non custodial parent is the definition of PAs ( not the situation here)

Not true. There are numerous definitions of parental alienation and there is no differentiation between custodial or non-custodial for many of them.

the fact that she has not called police when she has been assaulted and chooses to instead live like she is in prison says there is something wrong with HER !!! and maybe this is why the non custodial parent or father wants the kids....

Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just go off half-c*cked? She did call the police. The custodial father has been offered custody on 4 different occasions and declined until he got a "rebate" of the child support he's had taken from him so far.

She has boxes upon boxes of evidence. She's filed for a restraining order over and over. She's spent thousands tracing calls but no judge has given her a chance to even ask for a court order to get the records. She's spent thousands of hours going through counseling and parenting courses. She's had CPS at her door over 200 times, the police there constantly. She's got 27 different court orders that he's broken. She's got video, letters, screenshots.

A mother who can't control her kids maybe should not have them... her kid beat her ?

Or she should have them, get his access supervised so that the crap stops, and work on her relationship with her daughter without someone undoing the work on the very next visit? Her discipline is consistent and appropriate.

It sounds to me like the mother, who is custodial parent is mentally ill to allow all this to go on and choose to deal with it by putting herself in prison rather than work with restraining orders and law

She hasn't "allowed" anything. She's been fighting him tooth and nail. Why else do you think they've gone to court over 200 times in the last decade? The last time we went out she left her daughter in the care of a 17 year old male (the son of another woman we were out with) and CPS received a call about "possible molestation in progress". When we got back, there were police cars everywhere and the girls were being interviewed by a social worker. The time before that he showed up with a bunch of his friends and went up to every man who spoke to her and told them she has AIDS. When she brought it up she was told that he has a right to make a complaint if he has concerns. She's even lobbied for toxic parent laws with provincial government officials. It's gone nowhere... nobody wants to touch it.

maybe battered woman syndrome but she will never know until she gets the right help and from what you wrote she won't... and will remain mentally ill and making bad choices

She's been asking for help over and over. She couldn't hold on to some jobs or finish university because of the constant demands on her time from trying to get the right help.

She couldn't even get a daycare subsidy during university for child care or because a court order from 2003 gave him 3 days every two weeks and they would have to attend at least 90% of the time to qualify. He wasn't even coming at the time but it took her until 2008 to get the order changed. By then her daughter was 2 months away from being too old to qualify. Because of that, she could only work part-time outside the home... in a place with a 20% unemployment rate.

This is not PAS

You don't get to make the determination.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
Parental Alienation of the Custodial Parent.
Posted: 1/12/2012 4:46:11 AM
I have a friend who doesn't have an account here but is going through a really rough time right now and needs encouragement. She has an ex whose involvement with their children could be described as intermittent at best. He left when she was pregnant with the second child, came back when she got a child support order against him claiming he wanted visitation. When his wages were garnished he quit work and left again. This scenario played out 7 times, with the longest stretch being 3 years. He had arrears of over 30k at one point and that was only erased because he had winnings and they were seized.

Their children are 14 and 10. He has been to two parent-teacher interviews (both on the same day), 3 school concerts and has never attended their other activities. He has filed against her at court every month or so for the last 5 years, has staked out her home and threatened people, and crank called her constantly. He has also taken to badmouthing her in front of the children.

She has been asking for supervised visitation for the last 8 years based on his behavior. The case is still pending and she's not been able to give one piece of evidence in court because it's just one case management meeting after another.

Instead of calming down, her ex has become more and more vicious. Her children have heard her called down to the dirt on every visit. He has told them she's mentally ill, refers to her as 'the c***' and told them she's unfit and neglectful. He has encouraged them to disobey her, claiming that she tells them what to do because she's a control freak and they need to fight back.

Last weekend her daughter stole money from her and her mother grounded her for 2 weeks. Then she told her to go to her room... her daughter picked something up and beat her multiple times around the face and head with it. She called the police, who in turn called in social workers. The daughter is now making untrue claims about the mother, including allegations of closed-fist beatings, denial of food, partying, drug use, prostitution, etc. These are all allegations that CPS has been anonymously contacted about in the past (over 200 times) and there's never been any evidence. The "father" has let his daughter go to emergency care and refuses to take her unless he gets full custody of both and a stop on the child support. When told about the assault, he laughed and said "good for her!"

They are investigating but she's scared to death about losing her other child and possibly facing charges. She's always been what I thought was more than a little paranoid about her situation... not dating, moving from job to job so that he can't show up to harass her there, not smoking or drinking, spending an inordinate amount of time cleaning and she probably goes out twice a year total. This has been her life for a decade. She's been so upset over this she's lost 6 pounds in a week, (pounds she can't afford to lose because she's already exceptionally thin) and her hair started falling out in clumps yesterday.

Does anyone have any experience with PAS when it comes to the custodial parent being the alienated parent? Anyone have any resources? Have any of the posters here gone through this and survived with a good relationship with the target child?
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 2 (view)
ok I think this may be a new one
Posted: 1/5/2012 4:20:14 AM
This is so not a new one.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
What are YOU being for Halloween this year??
Posted: 10/24/2011 7:12:37 PM
I picked up my Wonder Woman costume today :)
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 32 (view)
A childs paternity
Posted: 8/30/2011 6:16:31 AM

Thanks, you just saved me a whole lot of typing.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
POF Full Pay Site
Posted: 8/5/2011 8:20:52 AM

Yes that is typical Corporate backdoor sneaky tight fistedness.
I'm sure we've all had the corporate good-bad-good letteres in the post. They normaly tell you how nice they are being to you in paragraph one before moving on to say how they are going to shaft you in paragraph two (Prices up or service down). Paragraph three is normally the we look forwards to ripping you off some more in the future spiel.
They didnt have the courtesy to do that on hear though which is bad. An email to let us know whats happening would have taken less than five mins even if it did take the form of the corpoate S#*t sandwich as described above

Corporate? Did I miss something? As far as I know, it's just one guy running this site from his apartment. And his girlfriend helps him out sometimes. I don't think your anti-corporation rant is fitting in this situation.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 62 (view)
Can someone explain why pot smoking is acceptable in adults
Posted: 8/3/2011 6:07:58 AM

it would be interesting to see a pro-pot argument for daily *relaxing* use, that isn't based on comparing it to alcohol abuse.

I can give you one. A friend of mine was diagnosed with clinical depression/bipolar disorder as a child. She's been on practically every pharmaceutical available to her, and has participated in every trial she's been eligible for. Each time, there are side effects that were more troublesome than the disorders themselves. They don't affect her the way they're "supposed" to...the symptoms have run the gamut from incredible weight loss to feeling suicidal. About 10 years ago, she dropped the pills altogether and started smoking weed instead.

She'll get up early to have a toke with her cup of coffee. Not enough to get out of your mind stoned but just a slight buzz. The only time she smokes otherwise is when the disorders are rearing their head again... and she's gotten incredibly good at recognizing when that is. She's happier, healthier and she gets more accomplished in a day than most of the non-smokers I know.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 20 (view)
high school mean girls at middle age
Posted: 7/14/2011 6:56:21 AM
I understand exactly what you're going through. I'm pretty shy when I first meet people and come across as very easy-going. I take good care of myself and have interests that aren't girly girl. I've been told countless times that I'm charming and funny.... and it seems to be the magic combination to have people believe the worst of me at every opportunity. Even when I was a teenager, local gossip had me pregnant multiple times, with 30 guys at one time at a house party, and I'd lost my virginity at least 50 times, all by different men who've claimed it. The funniest part of it all was that I didn't have sex until my 20's and after I'd moved away.

I had a woman physically attack me for walking in front of her house and her husband made a remark to her about me. I've had women show up with a petition to "disallow" me to sunbathe on my own deck in my own backyard because a couple of the husbands saw me from a neighbour's house. I've had the girlfriends/wives of men threaten me with physical violence for simply standing near them. I've had drama in my family when my sister's father-in-law made a sexist comment to me and I defended myself. He told me that women with "big mouths" need to be raped and put in their place.

According to local gossip, I'm simultaneously frigid, a sl*t, a lesbian, and secretly sleeping with half the town.

There is a subset of the population that equates anything a woman does to sex. The easiest way to try to force a women into submission is to call her sexuality and her morals into question. That's what you're seeing... the backlash against you because you don't roll over and take it. You're not being "ladylike" so you need to be punished for it. They're attacking you with the "worst" thing they can think of.. promiscuity.

I had an episode just like this last night. I went head to head with an obnoxious, self-proclaimed gamer who monopolized the conversation and steamrolled all the guests at a barbeque. He wouldn't shut up, so I started correcting every mistake he made with regards to gaming (level cap for certain games, cheats, etc). He eventually rounded on me, called me a lesbian, and told me that my correction of him was the reason why I'd die alone and shriveled up with cobwebs in my vagina.

"Yeah dude, I'm going to die alone and shriveled up with cobwebs in my vagina because I know more about World of Warcraft than you do. I should unlearn it so that awesome men such as yourself will lower themselves to sleep with me. Or not. "
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
Monster in law or bad mannered daughter in law?
Posted: 7/1/2011 10:07:22 PM
I vote for the DIL.... since the "mother in law" is not the actual groom's mother but the woman his father married after he was grown and moved out. His real mother adores his fiancee. She has no "entitlement issues" as she and her groom to be are paying for the wedding themselves and have just rented the hall in the castle.

As for the food, the DIL is diabetic, had taken her shot and the MIL postponed the meal. She is (obviously) on a special diet and can't have certain things that were being served. The Monster-In-Law also made a fuss over her for "drawing attention to herself" when a walk planned by the MIL went hours over the time allotted and she had to get home to get her insulin. And last but not least, the dig at her parents was thoughtless and cruel... both parents got laid off earlier this year.

Not to mention that the MIL herself is a social climber on marriage number 3.... I'd tell her to get bent.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 84 (view)
NY becomes 6th state to legalize gay marriage
Posted: 7/1/2011 2:03:03 PM

Religious dogma? Exactly the opposite. If you knew the first thing about the Constitution, you'd know that the First Amendment forbids the government to make any law regarding an establishment of religion. You'd also know that the 1st Am. guarantees everyone's right to the free exercise of their religion.

It also grants everyone the "religious freedom" to not be religious and not to have to live under arbitrary rules made for religious reasons. The separation of church and state does not only go one way. If you expect the government to stay out of your church, keep your church out of government.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
cursing and pain............?
Posted: 7/1/2011 5:23:34 AM
I come from a family where swearing has become an art form so swearing when hurt is automatic. We're not content with a well-place f*ck or sh*te, it always has to be dressed up. I've probably heard

"Lord dirty dyin', rattlin' pineapple Jesus!" more times than other people have heard the f-word. And to this day, I have no idea what my father has against pineapples.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 83 (view)
No sex for you! Damn I wish you had told me that earlier.
Posted: 6/30/2011 6:48:29 AM

are men really that shallow. why not just be honest. if sex is mainly what you are interested in...just say so. whats with all the game playing?

According to some men I've talked to with this attitude, it's because if they told the truth they'd never get laid. It's obviously the fault of women, because if they'd just jump on their penises indiscriminately they wouldn't be forced to lie.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
How is a serving size determined?
Posted: 6/30/2011 6:43:47 AM

Potato chips will sometimes say "1 serving = 10 potato chips" as if you were going to eat just 10 potato chips. It's stupid. Like I said earlier, it's situational. Hope this helps.

I never eat more than a handful of potato chips at a time and I only buy a few bags a year. I eat ice cream by the scoop...just one... and I have a "family sized" chocolate bar that's been in my purse for almost 2 weeks and there's still half left. It's not that I'm consciously dieting or whatever, one square of chocolate is enough to satisfy the craving. You wouldn't believe the number of people I know who have "snacks" larger than my meals.

I never measure servings though, to me a serving is how much it takes to get satisfied. I eat slowly and stop when I've had enough. If you feel "full" you've gone too far.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
Man Thrown Off Flight For Cursing
Posted: 6/14/2011 4:43:00 AM
It could have been worse... he could have been thrown off the flight for something he can't help (like the colour of his skin) instead of his own behavior.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 990 (view)
Why are men so angry??? Is this true?
Posted: 5/23/2011 4:52:23 PM

Well said. Brilliant. Absolutely the same way I see it.


Old-fashioned men do not typically argue about who pays and opens doors. Nor have I seen those "entrenched in old-style gender roles" on here at all complaining. (or anywhere for that matter).

Not sure what you were really getting at, but to me just didn't tie in or make sense at all.

I'm not talking about old-fashioned manners, I'm speaking of men who have specific old-fashioned ideas about a woman and her place in the world. The men who get angry because woman don't act the way they're "supposed to". The ones who don't stay at home, the ones who don't defer to a man, the ones who sleep with whomever they want whenever they want and don't make any apologies. They constantly cast these women into roles... frigid man-haters, lesbians, gold-diggers, sl*ts, feminazis because they don't fit with the virgin-when-married SAHM, who only did what she was "supposed to". Anything more and she was reaching for something that until recent history belonged exclusively to men. And for some men, the resentment is palpable. To be valuable to a woman, they now have to have more to offer than just a paycheck, or a handsome face, or a crappy attitude. They don't want to offer any more than that, and then whine when the bare minimum just doesn't cut it as if it's somehow "mean" of women to have standards.

How else can you explain the backlash against opening doors for women? For keeping track for something as insignificant as who paid for the first coffee? It's because, to them, women don't deserve to have their cake and eat it too.

Of course, this is totally misrepresenting the position of the "bitter" men. It's not a matter of keeping track of every penny spent or who pays on the third and fourth date. It's the fact that it's just taken for granted that we should foot the bill on the first date that we find objectionable. I don't know what makes you think we "fly off the handle" for no reason.

So you'd be okay if these evil women would just pay their own way the FIRST time but still expected it every time after? I smell bullsh*t. I think that bitter men fly off the handle for no reason because of the insults you were throwing a few pages back. You're essentially saying that you're always going to be the way you are and women need to learn to look past it, and get angry because women keep telling you they don't want to.

I guess I simply don't have the desire to "adapt" as you put it to the new (or should I say "old") way of doing things. I'm perfectly willing to pay the price for this, but who says I have to be happy about it?

Change or don't. Women will be looking so far past you they won't even care.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 32 (view)
Dating a noncustodial parent who pays child support
Posted: 5/23/2011 1:33:31 PM

Funny that the custodial parent never calls it "child support" when taking care of their children financially. They just do it.
I would have no respect for any parent that didn't contribute financially to their children. If a person has children you have to know they're going to be supporting them for a long time. How often they see the children has nothing to do with how much money it takes to raise them. They can also go to court for more visitation.

Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 446 (view)
Muslims taken off plane because pilot was uncomfortable with them.
Posted: 5/23/2011 11:15:00 AM
“Bigot, racist” are words injected into a debate in order to attempt to bring debate to a screeching halt.

Conversely, they are justly deserved descriptors of people who are bigoted and racist. Sometimes people are so caught up in twisted logic and hidden meanings, they see things that aren't really there. Like pilots scared of "funny looking" clothes, or people who see a terrorist behind every brown face.

We're Done Here - Closed

Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 980 (view)
Why are men so angry??? Is this true?
Posted: 5/23/2011 11:05:42 AM

By the very usage of this descriptor, you expose the fact that you do not understand the concern. Something structural is array and while you see it as whining, men see it as a fundemental problem that will permanently change universal behavior unless corrected. I might be wrong, but I stand fast in my belief that we are looking at the emergence of the solitude society.

That "something structural" that you're referring to is that woman are, in increasing numbers, realizing that they are no longer dependent on men to provide security, financial or otherwise. We're increasingly understanding that self-determination and happiness with your own life are important and that we don't ever need to cling to broken relationships out of fear of societal condemnation or legal necessity. The men who see it as a "fundamental problem" are the men who are entrenched in old-style gender roles and are unwilling/unable to adapt.

A lot of men act as if they deserve a woman to have sex with, a wife who'll have to put up with him as he is...even if he's angry, whiny, childish, a serial cheater, etc... and that it is everyone else's fault that nobody wants to put up with him long enough to fill that role. All the while, he's watching men who have their shite together... the ones who are funny, who women like to be around, who are nice, who are mature... and railing against them and women for their inability to become that type of person.

It's a societal evolution, one where the angry adapt or be left behind, and we're not going to end up being a solitude society. The non-bitter men (who don't keep tabs on every penny spent on dates, the ones who don't fly off the handle for no reason, the ones who aren't petulant enough to refuse to open a woman's door as payback for the feminist movement) will be doing alright and have all the company they want.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 853 (view)
Why are men so angry??? Is this true?
Posted: 5/16/2011 3:38:48 PM

There are some elements of truth here but I think it almost goes too far the other way and makes men the ENEMY.

I didn't mean to come across that way, and I really don't see men as the enemy. I am, however, gobsmacked at the sheer number of inept, angry men I encounter at my age and younger. They all seem to view women as temps who are just waiting for a quick ring and to get knocked up so that they can steal all their money.

Well, you're an angry women, so why would you attract a man who doesn't meet your (negative) expectations? I'm not angry at women, but I did my best avoid them and date women who liked men.

I'm not angry at all, this has been my experience as well as the experience of most women my age I've talked to. Most men who have not already settled down seem to have taken their view of women from gangsta rap albums or "friend of a friend" stories of evil debil wimminz. I once had a part-time gas jockey tell me that he can't find a woman who isn't after his money, and complained bitterly over the 15 dollar a week child support payments he fought his ex over for their 3 children. I was asked out by (and then yelled at for refusing) by a man who left his 31 year old wife and their 2 kids because she had bowel cancer and he was NOT going to be doing all the work all by himself.

My expectations are that I be treated like an individual and not a walking, talking vagina. I also expect to have my (very straightforward) words taken at face value and not dismissed as it being my period or some silly game where I really mean what he thinks an imaginary woman would say. I also expect to not have to sit at home waiting for a scrap of attention from him, or have our relationship take a backseat to everything else in his life every single time. Weight, height, income, colouring...everything else is negotiable.

I know, I aim high, but I really think I'm worth it. :)
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 829 (view)
Why are men so angry??? Is this true?
Posted: 5/16/2011 4:27:52 AM
I think men ARE angry for the most part. They mostly grew up in intact homes, where the mother spent her time taking care of them and dad brought home the bacon. They believe it's the way it's supposed to be and instead of adapting they lay blame. They blame women for "making" them pay for dates, for being a feminazi for not making them pay, for expecting them to honour promises like putting the relationship first. They blame women (especially those they've been in a relationship with) for having children, for not having children, for needing money to help raise the children. They're angry because they don't get the type/standard of woman they feel entitled to, because they see all these happy couples and feel left out because those women are mean and won't just give them a chance. They listen to their angry friends spout on and on about how women are users, and the only thing they're good for is to keep a vagina going. I've even seen men get angry when their wives walk out on them for cheating by stating that "She knew I wasn't the type to settle down" then scream bloody murder over division of assets... claiming that she's a gold digger even though the closest thing he has to gold is a full tank of gas.

They're angry when the fantasy they've built up in their head doesn't pan out, they're angry when they're "forced" to honour their promises. A lot of young men (and yeah, I know it's not all but a fair percentage of those who aren't married yet) seem to be big giant babies that want no expectations put on them but who rail against those who don't live up to theirs. They hide behind excuses like "women's lib" whenever a woman asserts herself as if it's shameful to expect to be treated equally, then hide behind it when they don't want to put the effort into a relationship... that she should expect no help from him because she's supposed to be able to do it all on her own.

I've given up on going out for the most part because all I encounter are the angry guys. If I'm offered a drink and refuse (always do) I'm a paranoid man-hater. If I refuse to dance with them I'm a butch lesbian, if I'm in a sexual relationship with them and I'm not in the mood one night I'm obviously sleeping around (most likely with a woman). I've been screamed at by men who are trying to get my attention, then get viciously angry when I don't pay any to them. Just the other night at a stagette party I leaned over the bar and had some guy grab me by the hips and grind on my azz, and then freak out and threaten to smack me (a useless wh*re who'll obviously sleep with anyone) when I turned around and pushed him.

Too many young men now have a knee- jerk reaction to women, and almost always it's lashing out at them. And instead of realizing that THAT'S why they're having so much trouble, they blame the women for making them act like it. Just take a look at all the whiny "all women love men who treat them like sh*t/I'm a nice guy and woman won't sleep with me/Am I gonna have to smack a ho?" posts.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
Muslims taken off plane because pilot was uncomfortable with them.
Posted: 5/9/2011 7:24:27 AM

true that, but what's even more likely than what YOU think is likely is the likelihood that the pilots didn't even know the imams were on the plane until somebody mentioned it to them in the context of it being some sort of disturbance.

I can only go on what's been reported. No reports of passengers complaining, no reports of anyone going to a flight attendant.... you just even made up a scenario where someone "mentioned it to them in the context of it being some sort of disturbance". Nobody but you is claiming there was a disturbance.

But hey, don't let actual facts get in the way of your poor, persecuted pilot taking the fall for rabid passengers theory.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
Muslims taken off plane because pilot was uncomfortable with them.
Posted: 5/9/2011 6:43:07 AM

right, like in this hyper-sensitive world of pained political correctness they're going to admit anything less than this ON CAMERA in front of the ENTIRE WORLD. people are stupid, but most of them ain't THAT stupid.

What's more likely? That it was one pilot (who stated first that he wanted them to take another trip through security and still denied them) or a bunch of reactionary passengers who have denied any such thing?

I think this is all on the pilot.

"TSA came on and pulled them off and said the pilot was refusing to fly with them because passengers were uncomfortable with them," Hooper said, referring to the Transportation Security Administration."

Yeah, they're giving the reason why the pilot was refusing to fly with them...the reason HE gave. One that turned out not to be true. There was also a report of a sit-down between TSA agents, the pilot and an airline spokesperson who emerged "red-faced" after insisting that the pilot let them board and having the pilot refuse repeatedly. There were also reports from flight attendants that nobody had complained.

Is it so hard to believe that a pilot with a personal imaginary boogeyman would pull a stunt like this? Pilots are not immune from being idiots.
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 11 (view)
Muslims taken off plane because pilot was uncomfortable with them.
Posted: 5/9/2011 4:32:37 AM

I applaud the pilot’s actions.

I'm shocked... really.

I want my pilot to do whatever he deeems necessary to help guarantee my safety on his aircraft.

So as long as you've got yours, screw everyone else? How selfish.

Have you not given any thought as to how insensitive these Muslims were to go aboard an aircraft so soon after the bin laden kill dressed in full Muslim regalia? If I were to dress in Arab lands as I do here I would be stoned or raped. We merely escorted them off an aircraft.

They are Americans, and that is how they dress. They weren't doing it as a homage or to offend your delicate sensibilities... they dress this way all the time.

Why do these learned men not show respect for our culture by dressing in appropriate western attire of their adopted land? In light of what is going on in the world today if these two Muslims thought anyone would feel comfortable about boarding a plane with them dressed as they were they are nuts and agitators.

Why do YOU get to decide what "our culture" is? Why should they have to jump through hoops to be able to have the freedom to dress how they like?

By the way, persons are asked to deplane or denied to board aircraft all the time. Unfortunately the media makes a big deal of it only when a muslim is involved. Why did these guys immediately race to the media?

They also made a big deal out of it when a girl in a belly shirt was asked to deplane, and when a women wearing a shirt that said F*ck Yoga on it was kicked off a subway in New York. They immediately raced to the media because their right to be treated equally was denied.

More than likely a staged event in an effort to get airport security to give ALL muslims a pass. And as usual some persons are buying into this crap.

More than likely you made that up, to justify your own bigotry and ignorance. That's not how it works lady.

Boo Hoo, what a farce. Then why go around looking like Asama bin Laden in an American airport? If they want their religion respected then why not respect our western culture by at least foregoing the Arab garb.

Oh, so they should do whatever it takes to get your respect, while you should do nothing (except have a narrow idea of what constitutes "western culture") and have them respect you? To the point where they change how they dress/speak/look so that they don't offend you?

Whatever lady. *shakes head *
Joined: 4/18/2006
Msg: 66 (view)
Trump for President
Posted: 4/17/2011 7:44:33 PM

And a business man will stop the wasteful spending and silly programs that are drain to the public and tax payers

Unless he's Trump, and believes that 2 billion is a good price for a golf course. Or that solid gold toilets are a good idea. Just take a look at how the man lives...
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Msg: 43 (view)
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 2:39:37 PM
Actually, I was directing my post to the one who said he'd rather vote for a "successful businessman than a career politician". You just happened to get in there while I was typing it.
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