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 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 682 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/1/2018 12:01:13 PM
With all due respect ghostata if Trump were today pushing an agenda contrary to the agenda of the hawks back then I might give you a morsel of agreement. Given the fact he and his Administration are thinking of tossing the Iran Nuclear Deal in the trash and promoting a hawkish agenda despite contrary campaign promises he is a Napoleonic Hypocrite of the highest order.

Do you remember****Cheney's response about his own draft dodging, something to the effect of 'my priorities were different then'?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 678 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/1/2018 7:42:11 AM
My father got blown of a tank in Leipzig, lost a good sized chunk of his aorta but kept on and met the Russians at Torgau. Just like the living WWII vets that have supported this exercise of free speech he would unequivocally be disgusted by the Original Post of this thread and all the others that have a fundamental misunderstanding of what actual patriotism and respect for the military entails. Exercising one's First Amendment Rights like these players in no way, shape, or form disrespects our Military; that's a deceitful meme from Teabagging posterior orifices that know we are weaker divided.

The Nazis had mandatory oaths of allegiance and the suggestion we should now in the 21st Century is quite simply, entirely, and unequivocally unAmerican. The fact some folks here and millions across the country have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is and wave the flag while trying to tear up the Consitution at the same time should disgust anyone that is not just an American in name only.

"Think! It's very Patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Switch the words men to gun in an everyday post and here's what you see.
Posted: 4/19/2018 11:45:59 AM
Like millions of self absorbed younger white men in the US the OP here has chosen to portray himself as a victim. Most women I've known have greatly preferred survivors. Hike your own hike OP but never be surprised by everyone calling you out on your incessant fecal material. We are what we choose to be. If you want to go through life trying to promote the lunacy of exclusive privilege instead of the decency of inclusive community go ahead.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 10 (view)
 
The Mid Terms and 2020
Posted: 12/12/2017 10:23:40 AM
Two Novembers ago nobody thought the House or Senate could be flipped in 2018. The deceitful hypocrisy with the Tax Plan, Ryan's announced assault on Medicare, etc. makes flipping the Senate a real possibility now.

In 2020 I would bet on Andrew Cuomo, Terry Mcauliffe, Kristen Gillibrand, Deval Patrick, or Chris Murphy for the Democrats. Pence has some serious credibility issues and the deteriorating Trump hasn't't got a prayer with a historically low approal rating that isn't budging with 75% of Americans against this tax giveaway to the 1% and corporations. With all the backstabbing Republicans are doing to the poor and middle class it would take someone more deceitful than Trump himself to pull the wool over the eyes of average Americans and convince them to vote against their own interests AGAIN. Not going to happen if Republicans insist on placating the mad teahatters. Pence has credibility and truth issues and should be gone from the equation in next couple of years.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 354 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/15/2017 10:40:59 AM
At least Justice Scalia got it:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/politics/flag-burning-constitutional-donald-trump/index.html
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 353 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/15/2017 10:16:31 AM



So, KJ,

Instead of coming up with an actual rebuttal you give us more unAmerican garbage sans ANY susbstance and suggest I'm the one that doesn't understand without a moleculae of your own rationale? "I know you are but what am I" has never had a place in honest, adult discussion and IMO does not become you.

If only we required our schools to bring back civics and an appreciaition for plausible premises within sound syllogisms? We certainly wouldn't have elected misogynistic, bigoted, and DIVISIVE narsacist. With all due respect KJ part of being an American is accepting the unequivocal reality that to be a truly free society we don't get to pick and choose where individuals we disagree with exercise their First Ammendment rights unless it is contractually prohibited, period. In not even lifting a fingernail to explore the injustices these players are protesting and demanding what is essentialy an unquestioning oath of loyalty President Trump is disgracing our Founders and his office right along with our country.

If you want the kneeling, etc., to stop demand your President honor and not disgrace the Consitution. If you want it to stop reflect on why these men are risking millions of dollars to draw attention to the bigoted realities African Americans face from law enforcement in far too many corners of our country this Presiendt hasn't injected a gram of understanding into let alone a "plan" to deal with a situation anyone with a semblance of dececncy knows is intolerable. If you don't have tolerance for the First Ammendment then of course your unAmerican self is not going to have tolerance for a minority objecting to and protesting the unequivocal unfairness they face with their Consitutionally guaranteed rights.

President Trump is arguably the most divisive man to hold his office since his hero, Andrew Jackson. To not recognize this unequivocal reality and demand oaths of loyalty he is in reality injecting a fair amount of Nazi Gremany or Modern Russia into our society and with that disgraces every real American with an understanding that by it's very nature freedom cannot be selectively applied.

KJ, it is never to late to try and substantiate your ken. The choice of that or to continue with the unAmerican, ignorant drivel you and John have tried to Schlock thus far is indeed up to you. You will indeed get my respect with even just a single plausible premise and my admiration for an acrtually sound syllogism.

Peace,

John
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Predict what Trump will do to North Korea
Posted: 10/15/2017 9:44:22 AM
As much of an unAmerican schmuck Bannon is one thing he said that is absolutely true is that there is *NO* military option with North Korea...unless of course "we" are willing to sacrifice at least half a million South Koreans to CONVENTIONAL artillery in half an hour.

"Think! It's very Patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 290 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/9/2017 4:23:28 PM
Another day and the Flag wavers arguing sans any semblance of substance continue to refuse to recognize the fact these players are simply exercising a Consitutionaly guaranteed right. Well, at least that 97 year old vet gets it in addition to the more imformed folks here. By the way, Kaepernick did NOT say he'd stand. It was not discussed.

You know John, KJ, with all due respect it's never too late to embrace truth instead of keeping your proverbial heads buried in the proverbial sand. Never too late for critical thinking and personal honesty. In my opinion its never to late to actually think intead of constantly devouring and then vomiting deceitful propaganda.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 257 (view)
 
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/8/2017 1:59:13 PM
How sad so many Americans think they know what it means to respect the Flag when they have no concept of the realities of the First Ammendment or any of the Constitution. My father got blown of a tank in Leipzig but went on to meet the Russians at Torgau. He then went on to take food to striking sharecroppers in Louisianna and support civil rights until his death in '71. Before that he became a noted hitorian. His education allowed him to understand the reality of the Constitution and the First Ammendment. I'm proud of what he was and what this WW II vet is, a real American willing to take a knee for justice and UNITY:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/09/25/wwii-vet-takes-knee-support-black-nfl-players/699113001/

Thank gawd we don't live in Nazi Germany where displays of loyalty were compulsory. Thank gawd the very notion of America doesn't allow for compulsory bull!@#$ like this that sadly millions of unAmerican folks expect.

"Think! It's very Patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Abortion Congressman Caught in Abortion Hypocrisy
Posted: 10/8/2017 1:13:24 PM
Nothing ever changes, come back and the folks with no idea of who actually represents their best interests still can't produce arguments with plausible premises within sound syllogisms. Same folks don't have the character to hold their representatives and candidates to the same standards they have for their opponents.

Gawd help the GOP if the millions of conned lower/middle income folks they rely on come to factually understand that issues like abortion and gun control are but two issues among many others.

Coal jobs aren't coming bak not because of regulation but market forces and automation. Also looks like Trump supporters in the rust and bible belts also have to go on a diet.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trump-budget-snap-social-security/527799/
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 33 (view)
 
Do you HATE jewlery? / HATE the color pink?
Posted: 10/25/2016 5:19:10 PM
I love some jewlery on women in traditional places but am not a fan of slef mutilation when it comes to new fangled piercings. I detest diamonds in ANY form. If someone tells you their diamonds are "clean" or "conflict free" they're an idiot since ANY diamond propagates the market that STILL propagates slavery, mutilation, murder, and many other heinous enterprises.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Another group of right-wing militia group domestic terrorists arrested
Posted: 10/16/2016 5:50:40 AM
That County is now majority minority; apparently because not enough people from the area originally, you know "Americans," were willing to take the really tough low paying jobs in the big meat packing industry there.

I am sad to say that a very sad percentage of my fellow American men somehow see the improvement of the lives of minorities and the immigration that's always been a strength of the nation as a threat to them, not the corporate interests enticing those people here simply wanting a better life like almost all of our ancestors. The focus on punishing these poor people coming here to take jobs people born here generally will not demonstrates these bigoted white nationalists live on the hate in the heart long before any reason in their mind.

These self absorbed men need to stop pulling victim cards from their sleeves because anyone of decent will knows there are none in their deck.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Do you collect anything unusual?
Posted: 10/15/2016 2:01:04 PM
Great post Doremi.

I collected stamps, coins, and baseball cards as a kid. Today I just like to go hiking more than anyhting else.

I do have 6 backpacking stoves and two camp stoves I haven't used in years. I've got tents, packs, all kinds of outdoor gear I also haven't used in years. Does that make me a gear hoarder or a collector?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 252 (view)
 
Arab woman face covered
Posted: 9/24/2016 8:07:55 AM
With all due respect CW asserting there is no pay gap between men and women is ludicrous, deceitful, whatever you want to call it. By almost any measure IN THE US women make 20 cents less on the dollar than men do for doing the same job:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cents%20on%20the%20dollar%20women%20are%20paid%20compared%20to%20men%20in%20the%20united%20states

A select number of women on a dating site taking advantage of horndogs for free meals does not change that in a country of over 300,000,000. One man's experience is of course meaningless. Maybe things are different in Ontario, but maybe not.

With the advent of tRump we are seeing the worst of the worst unAmerican schmucks assert themselves like never before. My father that was blown off a tank in Leipzig has to be rolling in his grave knowing Charles Lindbergh's selfish/self absorbed, utterly unAmerican America Firsters are back. Bigots and misogynists have not in my lifetime had such a broad, vocal base. All these folks proud to be in Hillary's basket of deplorables, poor parenting has had a bad effect on this country far beyond education.

If you love women don't tell one she has to go hundreds of miles to get an abortion while you can get a cholinoscopy down the street. Don't push the tenets of your "faith" on them. Make the same pledge JFK did. Be a !@#$ing REAL American for Jacks Christ's sake. If you want to go back to the 12th Century don't force your daughters and nieces to go with you. In the end we will never tolerate an American Taliban.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 120 (view)
 
Hating troll, face not showing
Posted: 9/18/2016 11:41:20 AM
Being an American means understanding freedom by definition can never be applied selectively. JFK made a pledge to not let his faith prevent him from exercising the duties of his office. That 3 times divorced beotch in KY that didn't want to sign same sex marriage certificates and every other citizen that "thinks" we should have religious tests are unAmerican schmucks unless they reconsider and make the same pledge.

Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry a gay.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one.

Don't like Burqas? Don't wear one.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Does the Supreme Court think that blacks are helpless morons
Posted: 9/3/2016 10:42:17 AM
Dee,

If you read what I linked you will see these laws disenfranchise more than just African Americans. What I am still waiting for is you to respond to the poster's factual notation of the veracity of motivation for these laws not being to prevent fraud but to disenfranchise the poor and certain minorities in certain places. In the West gerrymandering of one form or another has been practiced across the political spectrum since Magna Carta. Deceitfully suggesting this is not an effort to suppress votes is of course misinformed propaganda at its worst. Since next to no voter fraud has been proven in the modern era what are we really talking about here?

As to how great the world might be KJ:

You will have to forgive me for absurd notions like making sure more of us have the opportunity to exercise our right to vote is a far greater national security concern than rolling out more and more Raptors that we will likely never use at $340,000,000 a pop. If Republicans ever rescue the party of Lincoln and revere the now eerily prophetic words of Eisenhower we might yet again have great Americans like all those Republicans that were needed to pass the historic Civil Rights Legislation of the 60s over the objections of Southern Democrat racists. Oh, wait, those folks are all Republicans now. Never mind.

Hijacked by the Teahatters the Republican Party hasn't been anything but the "Party of No" since January '09 when their "leadership" got together on Inauguration Day to plan a strategy to make President Obama a one termer and guys like Mitch McConnel indicating they didn't care how it might hamstring the country. Sadly Old Abe isn't going to stop rolling in his grave for quite some time because there's no Revolution afoot folks, its an all out attempt at a coup.

There is of course always the possibility better Americans will bring the Republican Party back to the one of inclusion it used to be, the one that engaged with factual honesty. Sadly many millions of Republicans have been persuaded to overlook the facts and favor divisive deceit. I hope they aren't paying you too well Dee because IMO and WADR you're about as persuasive as permafrost.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Does the Supreme Court think that blacks are helpless morons
Posted: 9/2/2016 1:47:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

"For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs."

OP,

It was pointed out to you that Republicans have admitted this was done with the primary intent of suppressing likely Democratic votes and YOU IGNORED IT just like Trey Gowdy and his cadre of schmucks did when McCarthy admitted the Benghazzi "investigation" was a political witch hunt. It's a matter of FACT that there's been VERY few cases of proven voter fraud. A couple of years ago I saw a news story on I believe ABC that showed an elderly African-American Woman in Houston that would have to take 4 buses and spend more than 2 hours each way to get to a place to get in line and get an ID IF she has everything they require. With her wheelchair that proved pretty darn impractical.

If Republicans worked to make it EASY for ANYONE to get a photo ID, meaning send out trucks with machines into neighborhoods and do it right in the homes of the disabled, etc., then I'd go along with this. But since they've admitted this is not to guard against fraud but to suppress likely Democratic votes !@#$ them.

OP, it's time to employ some critical thinking and realize that Trump's 40% are loyal on the basis of misogyny, bigotry, and selfishness. Republicans will indeed vote for Secretary Clinton or stay home in considerable numbers. Even with the entirely un American shenanigans of these 14 states Mr. trump has a serious longshot if any to win, unless HE CHEATS. That's why he's started the narrative of Democrats stealing the election already, because he knows most of the more than 300,000,000 of us aren't going to !@ss on the graves of our parents, grandparents, etc., that had to take up the baton in the 40s after Charles Lindbergh and his America First !@#$heads kept us out of WWII far to long and sealed the deaths of millions that very well could have lived. "America First" is unequivocally unAmerican and will not stand despite the deceitful efforts of unAmerican folks like yourself OP.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.

"Let Freedom Ring!" For everyone.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1557 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 6/1/2016 5:20:14 PM
Where were all you e-mail nazis when Bush-Cheney got caught deleting over 20,000,000 on a server belonging to the RNC in 2007?

May came and went without indictment. What do you think now Spy?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Foreign Policy: Trump VS Hillary
Posted: 5/7/2016 10:37:50 AM
Chinook,

Are you determined to misrepresent reality in almost everything you post. With all due respect just say no to being a deceitful posterior orifice.

https://files.datapress.com/london/dataset/population-change-1939-2015/historical%20population%201939-2015.pdf

CONGRATULATIONS MAYOR KHAN!
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1289 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 5/7/2016 10:29:19 AM
Remember how AJ and others were convinced there would be an indictment, and now there's just a possibility of a deposition. LMFAO

Republicans have done everything they can to cast doubt upon Secretary Clintons character, getting millions of ignoramuses among us to hate her just because...of nothing. Isn't it funny that the candidate they now have to support has proven to be far more dishonest than either Secretary Cinton or Senator Sanders?

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/mar/27/final-five-truth-o-meter/
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 2949 (view)
 
Trump for President / Melania is just toooooo Hawt
Posted: 4/30/2016 7:25:32 AM
Paulsen has been dead almost 20 years.

"Smother Democracy." Wow, talk about being detached from reality. Trump has shown the most un-democratic ken of any candidate out there. Those were Mexican AMERICANS friend. Tell me if some Mexican came along and suggested marginalizing whites you wouldn't be protesting?

I think the only candidates Secretary Clinton would rather face would be the even more clownish Palin, Bachman, or Jindahl. Donaldo is sure to loose by double digits in the popular vote and a whole lot more in the electoral college.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Would you switch parties?
Posted: 4/30/2016 7:17:35 AM
OP,

You are either in serious denial or REALLY not listening to Bernie. He essentially conceded when he said his continued candidacy was about issues and no longer the "election" [nomination.] His continued campaign is about the platform and possibly changing the rules/process for future cycles when it comes to super delegates, etc.

As much as you want him to kick her a$$ it is not going to happen because he's not the posterior orifice you want him to be, he ran as a Democrat knowing his candidacy was ultimately an incredible long shot, and when the dust settles and Secretary Clinton not only has more delegates but millions of more votes he will graciously accept reality and support her as he's assured us he will. He got traction, now he's taking advantage of an opportunity to potentially shape the Democratic agenda going forward

I asked you to articulate your REAL issues with Secretary Clinton. Any reason you will not, or are you just here to try and divide the Democratic party and nothing more? Honestly, what is the purpose of all your non sequitur tripe?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Would you switch parties?
Posted: 4/29/2016 4:58:18 PM
My proverbial gawd; OP if you can't see Bernie would have an even more obstructionist Congress than our first non-northern European President and get next to nothing done you really have no grasp of American Political Reality. Apparently you see supporting Hillary as support for the status quo, I see it as embracing the far and away most qualified candidate in the field and re-embracing the same policies and people that gave us our greatest period of economic expansion EVER. I also see it as securing and strengthening basic human decencies like women's healthcare. I see it as embracing actual religious freedom, not the "freedom" to impose your mythology on others. I see it as a vote against misogyny. I see it as a vote against the insanity that has gripped this country since Robert McFarlane made all those trips to Tehran and prolonged the hostage crisis to get Mr. Raygun the office.

Bernie ran as a Democrat, and unlike the imbeciles on the other side of the aisle he is going to support his party's nominee and has SAID SO. You can't "for the life of you" see Sanders supporters ultimately voting for Hillary? If you write his name in in a swing state you will essentially be voting for Trump, Cruz, or whoever they pony up in Cleveland. You want to protest the two party system and throw your vote away you'll be doing just what the 85,000 idiots in Florida that voted for Nader in 2000 did.

As for Unions "holding us back:" You think that if Unions were to disappear there would still be generous maternity leave? You think workman's comp claims would stay large enough to get people through catastrophic injury without amassing colossal debt? Do you think assembly line workers should have to pee in a bucket again? The anti-union movement has nothing to do with workers and everything to do with avaricious corporate margins. Sure, there are SOME corrupt unions but the forces of fear and division from the right have made far to many of us a whole lot more than mensa rejects. I don't think you even know what a Right To Work to State is. It's a state where employees serve at the pleasure of their employers, not the other way around. You can be fired in a second, without cause, without severance, without DECENCY. NO MEDIATION. Boy, gotta love that kind of quality of life.

Secretary Clinton has had a far tougher campaign than anyone could have imagined, Senator Sanders put up a good fight, but at least he had the decency to essentially concede when he noted his continued running is about issues, not the election.

It's great to be an idealist, far better than the ignorantly apathetic like Jersey that don't want to understand the substantial differences between the parties; but to not inject a molecule of realism you might as well be talking about Unicorns and Minotaurs. There are indeed things about Secretary Clinton I am not fond of, but unlike that right wing industry of fear and division I'll actually articulate them instead of simply trying to make her look bad with easily documentable false statements and outright lies. If you have a REAL problem with Secretary Clinton lets hear it. Substantiate it, and then lets see if it's as remotely scary as anything the right is offering up now. Yeah, she got paid to speak at Goldman Sachs. Yeah, her husband got a BJ that it took $40,000,000 tax dollars for Kenneth Starr to find out. Yeah, a handful of Americans in Libya died on her watch just like well over a hundred did at embassies and consulates during Bush 43's Administration, yeah she used a non-government e-mail just like Colin Powell and most of Condoleeza Rice's senior staff did; yeah she voted for the Iraq war just like over 70 Senators did with over 70% public support, yeah she got fat and old, yeah she...

So, ladies, honestly, given the reality of our ACTUAL choices what are your REAL problems with Secretary Clinton that lead you to suggest de-facto voting for her ultimate opponent? Let's share some actual critical thinking; lets not just propagate deceitful rhetoric.

"Think! It's very Patriotic!"
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Would you switch parties?
Posted: 4/29/2016 5:57:55 AM
Conservative sellouts don't support things like planned parenthood. Don't confuse fiscal policies with social ones.

A Sanders supporter typically isn't a supporter of xenophobia and bigotry. The only similarity between Sanders and Trump is both of their inabilities or refusals to articulate how they will achieve the nebulous goals they assert.

There will be a fair number of Republicans voting for Hillary in swing states, just as they did for her husband. 10-20% if Cruz were the nominee, lots will simply stay home if Trump is.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 2725 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 4/14/2016 4:31:55 PM
How do you keep a trump supporter occupied?

Put them in a round room and tell them there's a giant orangeish leprechaun in the corner.

Stay safe New York
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Tear drop camper
Posted: 4/10/2016 7:27:40 AM
Crook catcher is probably right but if you were in bear country and there was a problem bear in the area it's possible they could have enacted a hard-sided vehicle/camper order.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Nixon Aide Reportedly Admitted Drug War Was Meant To Target Black People
Posted: 3/23/2016 7:32:44 PM
Onyx,

Thank you for a needed chuckle; sad it comes ar the expense of serious social concern.

Quacker or not Nixon was certainly antisemitic at a minimum. I'm thinking he didn't like the direction Kaliphonia was going, and the challenges African Americans faced fifty years ago endure today from powerful self centered agendas that don't value a far more more perfecet union. Yes, it is true, they are ultimately unAmerican.

Ted Cruz wants stepped up patrols in Muslim American neighborhoods. This country is a lot better than these anachronistic , xenophobic want it to be. Please. for the love of whatever you hold dear, don't turn humanity back 80 years. Those were dark times, they could be far darker now.

There are powers that be that wish to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and there is definitely a color line right here at home for the uninculsive schmucks. I want safer cities. I want safer schools. I love diversity. I want a lot more than...$350,000,000,000 fighter planes.

Please don' to Trumpatize America. Let freedom ring. For everyone.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Nixon Aide Reportedly Admitted Drug War Was Meant To Target Black People
Posted: 3/23/2016 7:32:26 PM
Onyx,

Thank you for a needed chuckle; sad it comes ar the expense of serious social concern.

Quacker or not Nixon was certainly antisemitic at a minimum. I'm thinking he didn't like the direction Kaliphonia was going, and the challenges African Americans faced fifty years ago endure today from powerful self centered agendas that don't value a far more more perfecet union. Yes, it is true, they are ultimately unAmerican.

Ted Cruz wants stepped up patrols in Muslim American neighborhoods. This country is a lot better than these anachronistic , xenophobic want it to be. Please. for the love of whatever you hold dear, don't turn humanity back 80 years. Those were dark times, they could be far darker now.

There are powers that be that wish to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and there is definitely a color line right here at home for the uninculsive schmucks. I want safer cities. I want safer schools. I love diversity. I want a lot more than...$350,000,000,000 fighter planes.

Please don' to Trumpatize America. Let freedom ring. For everyone.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 790 (view)
 
NO MORE BROTHER WARS
Posted: 3/23/2016 5:29:22 AM
Did I miss something? Did Trump actually make a policy point other than the ludicrous kwap like build a wall, deport everyone, and don't let certain people in? Did he actually bring up something that could be done to make us more secure? Did he articulate anything of economic substance?

It's natural to be angry, it's inane to simply parrot that anger without concrete steps to address the underlying conditions of that anger. Trump has given you NOTHING of substance.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 2255 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 3/19/2016 7:14:44 AM
With all due respect with the exception of Israel almost all of our foreign economic and military aid goes to developing countries. So yeah, if Nigeria, Egypt, etc. give us any lip I say cut 'em off. Given that reality I don't understand what you're talking about Crookcatcher since almost all the criticism on this issue has come from the G8?

Trying to discount foreign consternation of the rise of Facism in our country is to try and help that machine of division and destruction rise even more. Any American that isn't embarrassed by the entirely unAmerican suggestions from Trump is with all due respect and unequivocally an American in name only. We don't bomb the families of terrorists because we are not supposed to be terrorists ourselves. We don't try and make social pariahs out of desperate illegal immigrants instead of recognizing the only real way to stop illegal immigration is to get Americans actually willing to fill those jobs and holding the corporate interests that lure these desperate immigrants to the country accountable instead of incessantly/proverbially slapping them on the wrist. Bush 43 had a majority in Congress but didn't do anything about illegal immigration because he knows that it benefits wealthier Americans, keeps food prices down for consumers, and next to no US Citizen is willing to work for fecal material. Republicans crying about it now is on the level of them crying about debt when Republican Administrations are responsible for the vast majority of that accumulation despite the deceitful proclamation of Repugnants. Where were these schmucks when Ronald Reagen did almost the exact same executive action President Obama did? And they "think" Hillary is a slave to what is politcally expedient for her. Sadly laughing my posterior off.

The previous Administration got the world to hate us again. Along with inane economic "policies" that more than doubled the debt on the books and far more off the books that deceitful Republicans blame our 44th President for now. Do you realize how many mensa rejects out there don't understand this President inherited the worst financial crisis of our lifetimes? Any economist worth their salt recognizes that at best 911 was a $40,000,000,000 hit; yet the 43rd Administration used 911 as an excuse for military buildup/spending only Ronald Reagan showed more irresponsibility with when he presided over the tripling of the debt. In fairness to Reagan although he couldn't recall anything more than 50 times in the Iran Contra hearings at least he didn't issue/state more than 200 false statements like Bush 43 did leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Trump in his current incarnation is a national cancer, and any Republican renouncing him is acting to save, not destroy their party; with all due respect Deeristrate suggesting otherwise is entirely crazy to put it as kindly as possible. Rubio had a chance to win in November, now Hillary has a clear path to the Presidency despite the frantic lies from the right. Some people will call it keeping the status quo. I call it not jumping off a cliff like a bunch of lemmings.

In my opinion if you're angry education and a willingness to recognize reality for what it truly is is far better than letting some Republican schmuck indoctrinate you with utter falsehoods.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 67 (view)
 
The Legalization of Marijuana
Posted: 3/10/2016 6:24:06 PM
Sweet non-rebuttal there OP. LMFAO. Good night...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Why Is The GOP, In Such Shambles ?
Posted: 3/10/2016 6:19:43 PM
Republican efforts to dumb down the country have backfired on them. Their divisive politics work in Red States. Almost all of them, aside with the ones blessed with lots of natural resources like here in Wyoming, take more per capita from the Treasury than they put in while the Californias, Massachusettses, New Jerseys, etc. pick up their slack by getting back far less from the Treasury than they put in. These under educated, angry working class people are now so ignorant they vote against their own interests because the GOP has seized push button issues like abortion, immigration, "defense," etc. that makes them ignore everything else. Their alacrity for divisiveness has divided their own party and the Teabaggers have hijacked leadership.

Meanwhile educated moderates have no choice but to gravitate towards a balance against the imbeciles representing the dumbed down masses on The Hill. If Donald or Eduardo Rafael gets the nod they are going to loose because 10-20% of sane, moderate Republicans will stay home or vote for Secretary Clinton because they're smart enough to want no part of Repugnanticans.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 65 (view)
 
The Legalization of Marijuana
Posted: 3/10/2016 6:00:14 PM
In Colorado Opioid use has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY since legalization. For people that get hooked on opioids it's too late to tun to pot. They go for heroin when the effectiveness of their pills ware of. Opioid abuse and alcoholism lead to many problems like domestic violence. When you see an article about pot making someone crazy it's amazing how many times well down the road it becomes clear they were also ingesting far more destructive substances at the same time.

The Black Market is the most destructive force in society; if your gangs are concentrating on Marijuanna instead of opioids they are mensa rejects for sure, not nearly as much money and far harder to get caught. Could not some of the taxes on pot sales go to gang mitigation?

OP, do you drink? Anyone that drinks and has any semblance of an objection to Mary Jane is with all due respect and IMO not thinking critically whatsoever. The only reason why Mary Jane became illegal was because it was an obvious threat to the pharmaceutical, alcohol, and tobacco industries. Refer Madness was about as deceitful as Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz is today.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 2 (view)
 
HELP SAVE A LIFE TODAY
Posted: 3/8/2016 5:48:57 AM
Time for the tinfoil hat mat. Just what EXACTLY is it you "think" Secretary Clinton should be indicted for? Certainly not the e-mails, that's not going anywhere, and certainly not Benghazzi. So EXACTLY what egregious action let alone crime has Mrs. Clinton comitted?

Could you respond with the context of reality, not just the typical rightwing unsubstantiated tripe?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 17 (view)
 
To pee....or not to pee....that is the question!
Posted: 3/8/2016 5:45:26 AM
Let's suppose you have a son that identifies as female. Would you like him going into a men's restroom and getting the !@#$ kicked out of him ?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1879 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 3/4/2016 7:17:42 PM
It is of course not an employer's responsibility to ENFORCE immigration law. It is however of course their responsibility to ABIDE by immigration law. .If you don't think corporations in this country have by-in-large been given a pass on this issue you're even less of a human being than I'd previously imagined.

When it comes to the precepts of logic the best way to address a problem is to minimize it at its SOURCE. Jobs awaiting illegal immigrants are the source of any so called "immigration problem." People that like to divide others of course suggest otherwise. Revised job reports show 242,000 new jobs in February and unemployment holding steady at 4.9% after this President inherited double digit unemployment. Before some mensa reject comes in here and ignorantly postulates about "cooked numbers" any rational and informed human being knows that while the global economy teeters ours is a beacon despite a less than prudent stimulus stimulus 7 years ago and almost 3/4 of a decade of Repugnantican obstructionism, nemployment is down significantly by ANY measure. If you don't know what President Eisenhower said about our Military Industrial Complex I encourage you to look where your dollars really go.

I thank every marvelous Mexican and Moldovan, every good person that makes our world not just far more interesting but easy too.

So with all due respect and IMHO it is now clear Spy is simply parroting the lunacy of the lunatic far right fringe. IMO there's a possibility he's a plant to rile the likes of me up. Whatever the case nothing like the avoidance of real issues in favor of poorly attempted character assassination or inanely considered misdirection to make one wonder how we survive as a species.

Thanks for not blowing this wonderful big blue ball of water up friends. Just waiting for someone to inanely suggest Repugnanticans somehow make us safer.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1865 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 3/4/2016 4:12:09 PM
With all due respect Halftime is right Deetrisate. If anyone REALLY wanted to curb illegal immigration they would go after the employers in this country that incentivize the illegal immigration. Bush 43 had a Republican Congress long enough to get it done, but did not. Why? Because he also knows illegal immigration is a net benefit for the corporate interests of this country. Besides, with more than one third of our agricultural workers being undocumented just how much would you be willing to pay for the strawberries on your cereal?

The blanket hatred for illegal immigrants that millions of us have come to is the result of one or two things; racism or stupidity. Half my family has been in this country for just about 400 years now. The other half came in 1871. Neither half is more entitled to anything more than the decency of fellow citizens. Sad so many of us have chosen to be indecent imbeciles.

Let Freedom Ring! For Everyone!
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 667 (view)
 
The 2016 Election - Polls and Debates
Posted: 3/4/2016 3:48:56 PM
Spy,

You're huffing some tar sands or something if you really THINK Pagliano's immunity with the FBI somehow means Hillary gets knocked out by the e-mail controversy. Pagliano only did this to get protection from partisan schmucks on the Hill. All the deceitful "journalists" saying she will be indicted must have a line on what you do, which is is of course in the end nothing of any semblance of merit.

Irish asked you to produce something and you refused; what the !@#$ do you think a rational person is supposed to think of that?

Do you not like Hillary because she had the gaul to point out how much speculators were inflating the costs of oil? Because she wasn't a signatory on "Project For A New American Century?"

What gives, really?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Skip's gift
Posted: 3/3/2016 4:02:11 PM
I thought Rubio might have a chance to beat Hillary but when his Real Estate Shenanigans hit the front page fuggedabout 'em.

Not having garnered a single endorsement from the Senate it's blatantly clear his colleagues detest Cruz, and for good reason. Remember how he didn't know about Senate rules and his vote to defund the ACA failed like 71-29 and by keeping everyone in town gave Democrats a serious Christmas present when it came to judicial nominations being confirmed.

Unless Trump's tax returns show he's richer than the 3 billion he should have from conservatively investing his inheritance he is also toast, and even without that polls show Hillary or Bernie trouncing him.

With all due respect OP the reality is bigoted self centered schmucks like Trumps 35% can't carry a general election if 10-20% of the rest of Repugnanticans either stay home or vote for Hillary. What Trump is doing could very well also give the Senate back to Dems.

The only hope for Republicans would be to have a broken convention and choose the sanity of moderation with Kasich.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1791 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 3/2/2016 4:55:27 PM
If you don't think the lives of every American and global citizen would be greatly different if Gore had won you're not thinking at all. When Bush 43 got in in 2001 the CBO had forecast surpluses indefinitely. Gore would not have done that tax cut and he would not have invaded a country that never attacked us because he wouldn't have been willing to issue more than 200 DOCUMENTED false statements like Bush 43 did leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Gore would not have done NOTHING if he'd received that PDB in August 2001. Gore certainly wouldn't have been negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline across Afghanistan while at the same time setting them up to be a patsy. Could we have had a recession? Sure. Would it have been the worst financial crisis in the lifetime of every American under 87? Of course not.

As to Obama and executive orders: What a crock of fecal material. Look how many he has issued compared to his predecessor. Seek the ACTUAL truth and you will realize Reagan did almost the exact same thing when it came to illegal immigrants.

Hillary is well on her way. All the unadulterated bull!@#$ about her getting indicted will of course never materialize. I had concerns about Rubio but after the Observer article recently that pointed out his highly questionable Real Estate transactions and his PAC's inability to file yearly reports MORE THAN ONCE he's demonstrated himself to be just another Repugnantican putz. As for Cruz Bob Dole hit that nail on the head, none of his colleagues will endorse him. Millions of uneducated mensa rejects are having their fun with trump now, but 35% of one party will not carry a general election.

How these schmucks keep invoking the names of Lincoln and Reagan is pitiful. Neither of them could possibly get elected today with the teabaggers holding the GOP hostage.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1790 (view)
 
Trump for President
Posted: 3/2/2016 4:55:14 PM
If you don't think the lives of every American and global citizen would be greatly different if Gore had won you're not thinking at all. When Bush 43 got in in 2001 the CBO had forecast surpluses indefinitely. Gore would not have done that tax cut and he would not have invaded a country that never attacked us because he wouldn't have been willing to issue more than 200 DOCUMENTED false statements like Bush 43 did leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Gore would not have done NOTHING if he'd received that PDB in August 2001. Gore certainly wouldn't have been negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline across Afghanistan while at the same time setting them up to be a patsy. Could we have had a recession? Sure. Would it have been the worst financial crisis in the lifetime of every American under 87? Of course not.

As to Obama and executive orders: What a crock of fecal material. Look how many he has issued compared to his predecessor. Seek the ACTUAL truth and you will realize Reagan did almost the exact same thing when it came to illegal immigrants.

Hillary is well on her way. All the unadulterated bull!@#$ about her getting indicted will of course never materialize. I had concerns about Rubio but after the Observer article recently that pointed out his highly questionable Real Estate transactions and his PAC's inability to file yearly reports MORE THAN ONCE he's demonstrated himself to be just another Repugnantican putz. As for Cruz Bob Dole hit that nail on the head, none of his colleagues will endorse him. Millions of uneducated mensa rejects are having their fun with trump now, but 35% of one party will not carry a general election.

How these schmucks keep invoking the names of Lincoln and Reagan is pitiful. Neither of them could possibly get elected today with the teabaggers holding the GOP hostage.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 24 (view)
 
A Greasy Fox states I'm Not Paying For Your F*****g Wall
Posted: 2/27/2016 1:11:36 PM
These days we have to truly be aware of anyone crying freedom; there are a lot of deceitful teabagging posterior forces waving the flag out there that are actually !@##ing on it with the ambition of imposition. OP, you appear to live comfortably, why all the hate? You truly believe someone like you has somehow just become less equal? Or do you simply not believe in equality to begin with and want your 12th century back?

OP, I wonder how your victimhood plays out with the ladies? I'd think they are much like us and greatly prefer survivors.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Feel the Bern! (and Elizabeth?)
Posted: 2/15/2016 4:58:59 PM
Our political center has shifted far to the right since Ronald Reagan was elected and has not moved back an inch despite what ignorant birthers might have you believe. Ronald Reagan couldn't get elected President today, he raised taxes nine times. IMO Bernie's age, his place in the political spectrum, and sadly his being a Jew will prevent him from getting elected. I think he knows this and it is why he chose to run as a Democrat. I think he miraculously carved out a path to the nomination, but with Scalia's death I can see a lot more of us voting more realistically. I look for Hillary to win big in Gamecockland and then march across the South to the nomination. She's not going to be indicted despite the best efforts of the throngs she scares the !@#$ out of. Kenneth Starr spent over $40,000,000 and essentially uncovered nothing but the fact the President got a BJ. A majority of our electorate didn't want a Republican House to do that then and they have certainly grown tired of this Benghazzi and now e-mail Bull!@#$ since McCarthy acknowledged the political vendetta before her last triumphant 11 hour marathon on the Hill. I think she's going all the way.

The prospect of a double "socialist" burger doesn't make it any more appetizing for far too many of us right now. Ms. Warren can help the left far more from the Senate than anywhere else for some time to come. We'll be lucky to shame the Repugnanticans into confirming a moderate right now.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1075 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 2/7/2016 11:24:30 AM
Without substance you have to retreat to the attempted humor of non-answer, is that all you got yet again AJ?

So what do you have on Hillary? Come on, what do you REALLY have? We've heard "indictment" associated with her a long time but never a molecule has presented itself. Please tell me you're not there sitting in your underwear chanting "BENGHAZZI!?" You still will not answer the question I asked about Bush 43 earlier in this thread? Come on, have no real pride man?

I think plenty AJ. With all due respect and IMO the greatest security threat this country has right now are the multitudes of folks like yourself that call themselves patriots but let other people do their "thinking" for them and ultimately never accept our greatest documents of freedom for what they really are, all inclusive; all the while waving the flag like a hypocritical [insert pejorative of your choice here.]

It blows my mind how so many of you are willing to re-embrace the "values" that brought us arguably the greatest intelligence failure in our country's history, the subsequent invasion of a country that never attacked us and never gave us any indication it would, the more than doubling of the national debt on the books and far more off the books with "wars" real Republicans would finance from the outset, and finally the worst financial crisis in the life of any American under 86 after the Congressional Budget Office had forecast surpluses indefinitely.

I love my country. In the last decade I buried several friends that should never have had to die. All this talk about "carpet bombing" ISIS and sending guys to Guantanamo and [implied] torturing them, etc., is disgusting. How truly disappointing so many can't understand talking tough means nothing without substance. Yeah, carpet bomb cities and kill doctors, lawyers, women, children...the fact so many schmucks can't or don't want to understand the very essence of being an American is that we're supposed to hold ourselves to higher standards than the people we call terrorists is truly depressing. How did we come to this place where folks wave the flag but at the same time disgrace the words of great Americans like Eisenhower? I don't think Ronald Reagan could even get elected today with the kooks that have been holding the GOP hostage. How many of us ever imagined we'd ever think of Reagan as somewhat moderate? It's got to be killing John Kasich.

Imagine if the lunatic right of the GOP were not able to monopolize the agenda and instead of doing little more than going on witch hunts the Grand Old Party decided to stop being the party of NO and come back to a sustainable American Agenda for more than just the 1%?

May an even safer road than the one of the last seven years rise up to meet us all and may the nationally debilitating lunacy be addressed aggressively for the national security threat it is. Deceitful rhetoric seriously mislead our country in the last decade. Friends, don't let those posterior orifices do it again.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 164 (view)
 
Militiamen occupy U.S. national parks building in Oregon
Posted: 2/7/2016 8:58:57 AM
With all due respect are you crazy Momma? Arrest an ARMED man who said he would not allow himself to be arrested and go to prison around who knows how many innocent people?

The man was a criminal and domestic terrorist. Even though he tried to evade officers doing their duty after yet more criminal acts all he had to do was stay in the car and keep his hands up/on the dash.

Sure, it might have been handled better, but with all due respect to the grieving this man was not murdered, he reaped what he sowed. There is no Martyrdom in enterprise that is deceitful and criminal to begin with.

Our Federal Lands belong to each and every one of us in EQUAL MEASURE whether we live in Manhattan or on the edge of a National Forest or BLM Tract. Never let unAmerican schmucks like this think they have the right to steal from the rest of us for special interests in the deceitful guise of "liberty" and "patriotism."

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.

"LEt freedom ring!" For everyone.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1073 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 2/7/2016 8:47:31 AM
So Spy and AJ have no answer for the question I asked about Bush 43 and his Administration? Really, is this it?

Now that it is clear Mrs. Clinton did nothing her predecessors didn't do you guys just keep going on with the delusion the world needs to be exactly the way you want it, reality be damned. With all due respect how sad for you and anyone that relies on you. She's gonna be on PA Avenue in January and there's nothing you're warped kens can do about it.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done with critical honesty.

GO BRONCOS!
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1066 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 2/6/2016 2:41:49 PM
I see Goldman Saxmen, and Dead Arkansas Troopers.

She's going to get the nomination and she's going to win in November, even against Rubio. You know what they say about guys that wear boots like that, right?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Issues about women's profiles and the things in them.
Posted: 2/6/2016 2:36:44 PM
Your cliches don't bother me, I respect a sanity of boundary but acknowledge any creep can take it as a challenge.

I would guess there are some men that will fit the following stereotype but I of course found it with profiles from women. "I don't want any head games, liars, or cheaters...." I'm a good man but if you've been "wronged" multiple times and play a victim card for all of them I ain't having it. Survivors are far sexier.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 1047 (view)
 
Hillary Clinton deletes her emails
Posted: 1/30/2016 7:18:23 AM
I'd like to ask an honest question to Faux News and all those chomping at the bit for Secretary Clinton's head:

Where were you when it was DOCUMENTED that Bush 43 issued more than 200 of his Administration's nearly 1,000 DOCUMENTED FALSE STATEMENTS leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq? Why were you not demanding war crimes trials?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Militiamen occupy U.S. national parks building in Oregon
Posted: 1/24/2016 7:18:46 AM
I too am grateful for your service but have a serious, albeit ultimately rhetorical question: How in Hades is an "unorganized" militia "well regulated?"
 
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