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 Author Thread: Tesla releases details of its solar roof tiles
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Tesla releases details of its solar roof tiles
Posted: 5/18/2017 7:17:03 AM
LOLTrump, we don't have a storage problem, we have a Greed problem. Edison Batteries typically last over a hundred years, made of only simple Nickle, Iron, n liquefied Pot Ash (Potassium).
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Mail Error
Posted: 5/18/2017 6:49:57 AM
The number one reason POF is at the bottom of my list of Dating Sites. Why do you even show users we can not message? You, POF, say that a problem exists that we don't take the time to read what the person has to say and write a thoughtful response. Have you ever stopped to think that you, POF, are that problem. Take today's example the only thing in her mail settings is that she blocks people who do drugs. No problem there, so I take the time to think up a message that she might like, and I enjoy, ZOONK, ERROR, You cant message this person because of their mail settings. POF just wasted my time again. Pathetic
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Tantra Sex: Is it worth the effort?
Posted: 8/6/2016 6:47:00 PM
Never thought of Tantra as being without touch. No touch is everything to me, I love reducing a woman to goo, lost in orgasms.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 73 (view)
 
hitting the cervix during sex
Posted: 8/6/2016 6:30:44 PM
It is a serious problem, who wants to bring a lover pain at that most intimate of moments. Women always say they want more, but in reality they can't handle it. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind turning a woman over and spanking her if that is what she likes. But bringing a girl pain in this manner is a deal breaker for me. And I do avoid sex because of it. Indeed I have had a few relationships without sex, because I didn't want to ruin the moments we had.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Interracial Dating
Posted: 5/21/2013 9:02:20 PM
maiway your hot, but I'm not driving to Toronto for a date. And SweetNaturale, I do like your pick with glasses on.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 6 (view)
 
why not reply to a message
Posted: 3/1/2013 7:58:46 PM
Why reply, because it is polite, and good manners are worth something. Of course that is city girl, country girl issues. I typically find city girls to be paranoid and self centered (such as spoke of here). And not replying to someone who took the time show an interest, especially when you are advertising that that you want someone interested... RUDE
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Why are we here?
Posted: 10/24/2012 7:37:46 PM
Logazm, it actually sounds like your desperate, don't be. You look like a perfectly healthy kid. Knock on enough doors, you'll find someone. And those who have something bad to say, the hey with them, there are plenty more out there.

I'm here looking for the pretty gal of course, but with a glimpse inside too.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 99 (view)
 
The debates
Posted: 10/20/2012 9:18:22 AM
Who here thinks that things are getting better?
Who thinks we are more Free then we were any political term ago?
Who here thinks that that your own personal voice or question can be heard in Politics today?
Who's life is better today then it was any political term ago?

If your like me, most of us are tired of the outrageous fuel prices, you at least know someone who has lost their home to unethical Banking Practices, your not rejoicing for all the money Government spent bailing out AIG, the Banks, and the Auto Industry, and your not entirely sure that this War against Terrorism isn't just a War over Oil, and maybe Drugs.

Now How important are these issues to you, vs how represented are these issues by Obama or Romney?

I personally see our lifes rapidly spiraling down to nothing, or worse, and I don't see any of the Major Candidates even trying to fix this. I'm feeling used, abused, ignored, but certainly not represented.

Please show me where I'm wrong?
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 83 (view)
 
The debates
Posted: 10/18/2012 11:16:22 AM
CountIbli
So prostitution is illegal because it may potentially harm other people.


When did they Outlaw Prostitution? I enjoy the heck out of living next door to two Brothels. And, I'll tolerate no one outlawing them. Even the arrogant Harry Reid has gotten himself in hot water for such talk. Surprised he didn't get Tared n Feathered when he has brought that up in meetings. What a flipping hypocrite he is. Anyhow just looked over there, the girls are still there with plenty of cars in the parking lot. So, you are mistaken, Prostitution is still legal, and a piece of the world is still beautiful.

Now on to the False Debates. How can anyone still call these Debates wen a Candidate for President is Arrested for trying to attend them.

First Ron Paul, now Jill Stein. Yet we take this lightly. We still listen to these two Con Artists that everybody shows good reason not to like. And we tolerate them like there isn't better choices?
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 10/16/2012 10:29:54 PM
Medicare for all, yes I agree, that is a handout. But the people have been crying for government health care for a long time. Most nations have it, we don't. And it is better then the Insurance Monopoly created by the Bush / Obama plan. However gvt will inevitably find a way to screw up health care, like Canada's waiting list... and people will cry the other way, and by then we may be able to find a better solution. Something in students taking care of the free (open to all), administered by practicing Doctors volunteer time, in something like the Bar requiring all members to take their share of the pro bono... a, rough ideals.

Free Education is an investment, not a handout. The smarter our populace, the stronger we are as a country, and the more resourceful the individual. A stronger country of more resourceful individuals makes for a profitable economy, and a stronger tax base.

Green Businesses and the GND. One example is to increase the insulation in all the homes, every home in the US. That reduces our energy demand and frees up income that can then be spent for the less important things, where most of us use to make our living from. Likewise green transportation eliminates our dependance on the monopolistic oil industry; freeing up even more money. Again this is an investment, not a handout. It certainly has no need to be permanent. Upon accomplishment the gvt can simply step aside with a better economy providing a stronger tax base.

What I call handouts are things like welfare, locking people into a system of poverty from which they may never recover. And on the other end of the handout scale, bailing out AIG, and the banks, for what, the forth time now, bailing out the auto industry, and that is to say nothing of the oil wars. Those are handouts, and they benefit we the people not in the slightest. The economy will not get better for them, people only get further in debit or dependent, and the tax base is greatly weakened.

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On a Side note Jill Stein was arrested today for peacefully protesting herself / her candidacy of being denied access to the debates.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 10/15/2012 7:20:24 PM
CountIbli

If you believe that we need less government then Jill Stein is not the candidate for you. You might want to look at Gary Johnson.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

If you want more government handouts then vote for Jill Stein. I just don't see how you can reconcile the two views.


What Jill Stein is doing is not a handout, it's a rebuild of our economy in a way that we will all benefit from. Government needs to be small and as out of our lives as possible, but our economy needs to be strong, as in a economy that benefits "we the people", everyone, not just a select few. Governments job is to step in when things are wrong and fix the mess. Government today has for too long benefited those select few, and ignored "the little people". Indeed that is the one problem with a free market, the ease of dominance known as Anti Trust. Oil and Banking are currently out of control, and the corporations are becoming dominate. The Power has to rest in the People, you and me, not wealthy, not the corporations, and certainly not a ruling authoritative government. That is the reason our for fathers had the foresight to institute a servant government. The two party system has done everything in it's power to remove the power from us, and to make us believe that they are the authority, our rulers, our royalty. For instance, how many Politicians will retire on Social Security? No, their better retirement is only one benefit of their Ruling Class (above the people, instead of by the people). Or, listen to the D&R at their exclusive debate, what did the both agree on? "Corporations need a Tax Break", not the people, but corporations. They both said it, right in the beginning, they are for the corporations. The two party system has to be broken, or we the people will never see representation, just hand outs and pacifiers. Jill Stein is the only candidate with a viable plan that can and will fix government, and our country.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Nudity In PoF Advertisements?
Posted: 9/29/2012 6:30:16 AM
Red_Deer_Guy You say this is in the settings. I have never seen a choice to allow nudity. And as I am an Adult Webmaster as stated in my profile, you would think that if there were some hidden function from POF delivering such, I would see them. I have never seen any nudity on POF, and I have been here for what, a year or so. However I started this game as a computer programmer (hard coder) and I am quite well versed in computers. Spy / Ad ware is the likely culprit. However, I will hedge, and am disappointed that I do not see a POF mod here reputing this issue, their lack of such only lends validity to your claim.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 71 (view)
 
No job, no ambition and poor grammar... Is this the norm?
Posted: 9/28/2012 11:28:59 AM
CoffeeLovinLawyer
As a very professional woman (an attorney) I feel men on here could nearly care less about my education, career and good grammar (gasp). It has been my feeling they are more into young, impressionable, gorgeous, and thin. I have decided to put my dating life on hold to lose weight and exercise, because my little Juris Doctorate is underappreciated - and does not help me in dating.


No, your education makes you attractive. But, true that young blond bimbo who walks up to a guy only to doff her clothes... well men are weak. But when you wake up to her in the morning, her beauty entrancing you to recite this perfect tribute, and her response, the first word you hear this angel speak, is "da" Trust me, most men would welcome your intelligence right then, else they will likely be seeking your services in a year or two.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 9/10/2012 2:20:42 PM
Let's take that thought to it's apex Neopoli, register in the opposite party just to vote for the weaker candidate so your party will have a better chance to win. And I know all too many people that do just that. Voting to sabotage is a fools gambit, because you only help to get someone into power that you least wanted there.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 9/9/2012 8:06:24 AM
Thanks for the knowledge Neopoli, makes sense if one would sit down and think of it instead of jumping to conclusions.

flyguy51, I would have to disagree even without that nice piece of knowledge Neopoli provided. You see even with Perot losing the election, we can still count a win. With so many people voting for Perot it showed the main stream candidates that we wanted an end to the out of control spending, indeed Clinton seeing it's importance to us, balanced the budget. Likewise today Paul may have suffered a defeat, but we see some of his platform coming to the table, the audit of the Fed, and interest in returning to the gild standard. the two party sadness is too indebted to the corporations, but they don't turn a total deaf ear to the people, especially when their voices are spoken in votes.

IgorFrankensteen, I agree, R's are too often slipping to the extreme, and D's are coming too close to the R platform. Again a lot of it is corporate influence, but so to is the reality of things like our broken welfare system that just can't work. You can't break people down to nothing and expect them to crawl back up out of the hole. I think it would be much better to catch them as they are falling with something like an active unemployment system instead of a reactive system. Maybe the person is a good worker, but can't sell themselves, or doesn't know they would excel better over here... But there are many things like that which we all see as a fail that needs to be fixed. And if done as an investment in people, make the people profitable, and suddenly we don't need as much government.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 9/8/2012 8:45:21 AM
Ok I hear D & R (is that anything like a D & C ? Sorry couldn't resist the near pun). Are you just cheerleader squads? I mean Ideology aside, can you truly tell me a REAL world difference between the two parties. Bush tries to pass a mandatory insurance (good for corp, not people, creates another corp guaranteed income), disguises it as health care and it bombs, then here comes Obama to pick up the ball and he scores, yea yea. Bush starts a War that by no means of intent eliminates all of his oil competition and throws us into the worst financial crisis in american history. Obama, does what picks up the ball and runs with it. And as for Romney, Mr Bank Scandal himself, the very man who pushed all those unethical laws through that allowed the S & L's to loose all of our retirement money. And how many US businesses has he bought up only to put you on unemployment because he sold your job overseas. Oh I'm sorry, welfare isn't it, because there are no other jobs to be gotten, not under the republicans, not under the democrats. And what about the Middle Class, the people that bought the goods that industry needs to sell, the back bone of our tax system. The acting president wrote a little note on the wall, called it the trickle down effect, that was sealed with nafta and gatt and finished by these anti Union labor laws. Or what about that patriot act, R & D's both keep pushing it toward it's original draft. But wouldn't you be happy to ask gvt. permission to leave town just to go visit family. Well you are already content in being told what you can own or not, or even having to ask permission to paint your house or cut that dead tree before it falls.

I still don't see a difference in the parties, and I can go on like this all day long.

Oh and for the record, I am a Republican, but I'm not voting for a trader. We do need less gvt, but right now this country needs a bandage, actually it needs stitches and a transfusion. But such is not going to come from bailing out insurance co, and banks, etc. The people need a bail out, and the only one I see with a plan that has a chance is Jill Stein with her Green New Deal. And her plan is to heal, not prolong support, or just throw money at a problem and hope it goes away. Her plan is a true investment in our future.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Politics and dating
Posted: 9/7/2012 3:22:35 PM
ThinkinginCA I could enjoy a few debates with you.

I am delightfully surprised to see so many enlightened people here. Yes through respect we can tolerate each others, even opposing, differences, and we can even learn and grow for those differences. Indeed that is what it is all about; politics, the art of talking reasonably and rationally, to find a compromise that both can live with, from our differences. Sadly as unfortunate that it is, many treat politics like a pep rally, or even a religion.

Case in point: one of my galfriends back in college, we were not just politically incompatible, we were total polar opposites. There was no topic we could broach that was not a debate. How we came to care for each other I don't know, but we did, and we both looked forward to the challenges each new debate brought us. In fact, the only time we had ever agreed on anything was the end. After maybe a year or so of stimulating debate, we agreed that this was probably not the way to go through life. Many, many, years later, I probably still feel the same. But I dearly wish we had kept in contact, as there has been many a time in life that I would have still loved to sit down over dinner to enjoy a good intelligent debate. And I do have to say, of all those pieces of wall paper, that one with that little cum laude, I believe she was a serious attributing factor.

And for a more entertaining story of politics and dating. Is sitting on a bench talking to a girl a date? Well I have enjoyed dates that were nothing more. Is a date that only lasts five minutes a date? Well I see others have had short dates. Well if such constitutes a date then Chicholina has to be the most notable of those dates. As indeed one fine evening in Rome, I did sit on a park bench discussing opposing politics with Chicholina. I felt it was wrong for a porn star to run for Parliament, and she was the porn star running for Parliament. I thought it was just a publicity stunt, and I was pretty jaded over it. Boy was I wrong. Chicholina turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to Italy in the realm of freedom and prosperity. Awesome, awesome person.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 9/7/2012 8:41:40 AM
Yes she is Green Party. However she is on the ballot in most states, and popular enough to have gained matching funds for her advertisements. Wish I had known about her sooner, she would be on the ballet in Nevada too. So I'm stuck with a write in.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Jill Stein for President
Posted: 9/5/2012 6:58:42 PM
Jill Stein is about a Green New Deal: Puts America back to work, Gives us better houses, cleaner energy, cleaner transportation, etc. This girl doesn't just talk, she acts, she fights for you and me.

Every election I hear the same crap, why don't they give us better candidates, and your vote wont count if... Well why should they give us better candidates when they know we will vote for what ever they give us? And on votes that don't count; how far do we have to fall, how much freedom do we have to loose before we stand up and say ENOUGH! A simple vote, not in fear of, oh my vote wont count if... but a vote that says I am a human, and I will be heard. Regardless of candidate, I am a human first.

As for Jill Stein she stands strong for us, not some money grubbing, power hungry, corporate interest. We the people, each and every one of us is in her heart as she lives for us. I wish we had more candidates like her, but we have voted for the lessor of two evils too long. We won't see better candidates out of the main stream until they fear us, fear that we wont vote for someone that bad... Every vote that they don't get is one vote closer to them worrying about what WE want.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 31 (view)
 
FAQ: Emails/Messages - Not Showing in Sent Box
Posted: 8/3/2012 4:43:35 PM
Gotta add to the complaints. email, phone numbers, and addresses. I thought POF was about people, not traffic. But hey if you keep us from communicating outside of POF you keep your numbers up don't you. I am not here to have a POF relationship. I am here to put someone in my real life, not for a virtual life.



Those are also signs of spammers in a first contact email - establish an email raport first, after which you can toss them your entire 411.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Nudity In PoF Advertisements?
Posted: 8/3/2012 8:24:36 AM
FU2FAQ, that sounds more like a spam account, someone posting an account that POF will delete when discovered, usually pretty fast, but spammers post those trying to get hits, like from you, during the small length of time between posting and deletion. You saw it, and the girl you were talking to didn't because your account is set to show you girls and hers is set to show her guys.

I don't think that is POF, not by any chance. I had my fill of those spammers, often even spam robots, to the point that I literally shut my boards off because of them.

Indeed it might even be you doing it, that is your computer could be a robot and you don't know it. It could be placing those adds here at POF, or even just replacing the links that you see in just your browser. Like substituting that naked girl over top of what otherwise would have been a legitimate POF girl.

If it is your computer the fix is simple, go to a reputable anti spyware co like Spy Bot, Ad Aware, or even Trend Micro, and with a simple scan your problems are fixed until next time. Run them frequently and have less problems. However I do use the word reputable on purpose, there are plenty of programs out there that will add more spyware, or even just remove their competition.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 54 (view)
 
No job, no ambition and poor grammar... Is this the norm?
Posted: 8/2/2012 11:59:57 AM

SilverLightThere's alot of LAZY people out there.

It's not always lazy, speaking for my self, I'm tone death, all vowels sound the same to me, try getting that through a speller. But people are not thought English in school, teachers more typically put in their Baby Sitting time and send us home.; or tell us hey, you just have to memorize everything. English is a horrible language, but id does have an etymology which does begin to make some sense of the piece of garbage.

Oh "alot" is slang, it is correctly said: a lot. I don't normally correct people, as the ability to communicate is much more important then how perfectly one communicates. But hey...

blueceleste, nice attitude, beautifully realistic. But let me up the ante just a bit, instead of just settling for the jobs that are, what about finding a mate that is your compliment, and the two of you, as a team build your own income, take hold of your own destiny.

Gwendolyn2010, Where did you go to College, $34,000, that's awfully cheep? Ten years of College and mines all paid for, Summered with the Circus, or sometimes factory jobs, even went to the Military to pay that Tuition. In College I always had a job as well, I didn't care if it was washing disses or what, but I wrote papers for others, did artwork for the local rags, as well as a little photography, and I tutored, whatever I had to do to pay that Tuition. I paid my way! And, the real problem with this country is not that people can't spell, or don't have proper grammar, the real problem is that people borrow money. However if you don't think such is a problem, just look at the National Debits, or even all the people loosing their homes. The Rothschilds didn't get rich for being stupid, but they have gotten rich off of stupid people. Quit being stupid, quit borrowing money. Oh, and yes I could tell your an English Teacher, hence my utter disdain for you; even though you do have a beautiful name.

"2 + 2 = 5"? No wonder you have to borrow money; however I will grant that one plus one typically equals three or more, but that is just nature.

Run on sentences, there are many English Teachers and Professors out there that will degrade you for them no matter how correctly you punctuate them. Indeed, I once attempted a five hundred word essay as one sentence, I did not succeed, but I did give it a gallant try; even went back and forth with my tutor over it several times. Got an F for that paper, but it was a good F, for when I took that paper to the Dean, I got a pass for the class that did not damage my GPA. Wish I still had that paper to share here today, but I would almost bet that, if someone were to query around at Kent States English Department, someone would likely remember that paper even today. Anyhow, I guess, maybe your one of the better teachers, cringe.

TheAlaskanRose, My hat's off to you! One hypocrite busted. :)

_shakti_, Ah, she's on the other side, not fare. Ok, a compromise...

larissan04, It is not a loathing of education, it's a sadness, a disappointment for those who can't see the forest for the trees. There is so much beauty in people if we'd just take the time to look at them, or better yet, with them, instead of judging them so quickly, so rashly, especially when judging them for something so inconsequential in the vast picture of life; judging them for something as petty as spelling.


MysticalWorldWriters could help edit profile essays in Profile Reviews. Lots of people with threads there are asking for suggestions.


What an awesome suggestion!
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 4 (view)
 
What do you think of the WILL RESPOND feature?
Posted: 7/29/2012 11:15:38 AM
Seems sorta counterproductive, a computer making polite people look desperate, then sending them so much that they become impolite.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Nudity In PoF Advertisements?
Posted: 7/29/2012 11:06:16 AM
I haven't seen these, but hearing that you have troubles me. I am certainly not offended by nudity, but I do not like double standards.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 4 (view)
 
POF is deleting my replies before I can send them
Posted: 7/29/2012 11:00:14 AM
Glad to hear there are others who like to think before they post, or take the time to read what others have to say. Too bad POF does not respect that.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 19 (view)
 
No job, no ambition and poor grammar... Is this the norm?
Posted: 7/29/2012 10:30:57 AM

heypretty Dont knock the men or women that don't meet your standards, remember they are your standards not theirs. LOL


Hey! Someone down to Earth, but of course your in another Country... such is luck.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 11 (view)
 
No job, no ambition and poor grammar... Is this the norm?
Posted: 7/27/2012 8:27:21 PM
I will simply quote a few words from George Washington " I feel sorry for anyone who can spell a word only one way."

And for myself, if a girl is so petty as to consider spelling or grammar "definitively" important; I don't want anything to do with her anyhow. Communication is important, but mistakes are human, indeed the English Language itself is certainly one big mistake.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/17/2012 12:53:17 PM
Janet_Always, I agree 100%, I couldn't imagine going through life hiding in a shell, but true, if that's the way they want to live...

matt051177, Congrats :)

Texan_Gal Been on a lot of dates with gals that were just friends, but there are those who can't see that. The "there must be something going on, they've been going out for six months now..". I look at those as, I know the truth, she knows the truth, all's we can do is tell the truth, if they don't want to believe, that's there problem.

Confident-Realist, I'm no idiot, in fact my IQ is quite high, and it is my education, experience, and confidence that would disagree with you. Bottom line, if the Love that me and my gal have between us, if that Love is not enough to keep her, then I don't need her. I don't need to go through life suspicious, or worried. No if she wants to go ridding with the guys, no problem, the odds are she's coming back, because she Loves me and it is exactly what she says it is. Besides, if it is not what she says it is, there is nothing I'm going to do to stop her either. When love is over, it is over, you can only prolong a misery. And it is much better to let go to salvage a friendship, then to hang on to what is over and make an enemy.
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/15/2012 9:35:31 AM
purfectmeow, Yes Southerners, are typically more friendly in every country. A little difference though in a Sicilian GS you can say something in a conversation that you thought was private, and the next thing you know everyone in the GS is coming over and giving you a hug. Sounds like you certainly have a taste of the beauty, but to constantly get hugs from even total strangers you always feel appreciated.

HawkingJr, To give up, the only one you are hurting is yourself, denying yourself of something that can be so beautiful. Yes rejection hurts and there are so many Ice Queens that they can make you greatly devalue yourself. Don't do that to your self. There are women out there with so much inward beauty that it is unimaginable, and finding them makes life awesome.

Irish71. I agree many women do use such as a deal breaker, and I'll even go one further, I've had gal friends that would go as far as to make up a husband or BF to discourage a guy. I can even go further, my GF that wasn't, no deception between us at all, but I was her cover for about a year. We would go out on fake dates, etc. just had a good time. No one hit on her because they thought we were an item, and she didn't loose her job because she was gay.

However I can also tell you of other couples, where the gal will go to the GS to pick up on a guy because the gal's hubby likes to hide in a closet and gets off watching some dude doing his wife.

There's millions of people, and millions of reasons they do what they do. Who's right, who's wrong, and what does it matter.

As for dodging a built, na actually a little more selfish then that, I want the girl who only has eyes for me, well at least
in her heart.

FitAtFittyFive, what a great opportunity that was. Much better line then telling them to "get a room". Good dead, well done.

Now Old Timers in HD, yep got a lot of jobs that way, and many a nice home cooked meal to boot.

Fleuron, Win, no. But hey, if I do win, does that mean you are Marrying the next guy who says hi to you in a GS. Oh and remember, you both must live happily ever after...
 gbntbedtyr
Joined: 5/17/2011
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/12/2012 10:31:57 AM
Michaelanns_Married, what a horrible destruction of a great fantasy. It's so special when a girl erases any doubt by asking the guy out, and to have been shot down so utterly. Just no fare.

Irish71, It's fine to be calling them like you see them, but the superlatives are unnecessary, rude; and hey, why not share instead of judge, elaborate without insult, as hey your opinion counts. And you could even be right; but we'll never know because I walked away, as I have just had to deal with too many women in my life that want to cheat on their husband with me, and I am just not interested. Such is an instant deal breaker with me, we won't even be friends, it is just done.

DrLonelyheartsClub_Band, Harmless flirtation? Dr, would you mind expounding on that a little more. To me a flirt is an interest, and the ideology of Harmless Flirtation, is saying to me that the flirt meant nothing. But I do like the ideal of a girl that comes with an instruction manual, especially one without the clause, all rules may change without warning or notice.

purfectmeow, I shake my head with a smile.

Coma White, I like that, sounds like a perfect Candid Camera Skit: Hot Sexy Girl in at some quiet Cafe' flirts with some guy across the room. When he finally approaches her, she holds up her hand stopping him, pulls out a piece of paper, and begins like you said. I would love to see the reactions. (come up with a lot more like that and I might even be interested in producing the show)

pfif Cities are like that, such a shame. Vegas being a nice exception of course. People like to be noticed on their Vacation.

Texan_Gal, that's just called Southern Hospitality!

Sciencetreker, Lived in Sicilia for a spell, I do miss the Hugs.
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
Has Technology Furthered the Depletion of Human Face to Face Communication?
Posted: 7/11/2012 4:10:36 PM
What your asking for is closure, and you will almost never get it, however it has almost nothing to do with technology. People have been blowing others off long before cell phones or computers. For example, if Helen would have properly broke up with Menelaus how many lives would have been spared at Troy. Truly this is nothing new. Sounds to me like your date found another and said, put the blame on me, in a backhanded sort of way. It's more closure then many get. Blow him off, and go on, they're better fish in the sea.
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Msg: 52 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/11/2012 3:12:19 PM
adora71, Hey thanks, kind words are always appreciated. And glad to hear your now an ice breaker too! But most Brits I meat are nice people. I have visited there once, couple hour layover, never found my way out of the Airport :(

rdeffley, Ah the Doe in the headlights, if the girl just can't look away you just know your in trouble. But it sounds like the fates had other plans that time. If she was at all interested you will probably meat again, as she will be watching for you too, or that has been my experience. I've never had a bad experience with the girls who can't look away, nice memories, but none have been Mrs Right.

Gwendolyn2010, sexist, yes, I don't see guys as attractive, sorry, not my cup of tea.

Infinity_G !!! and the truth shalt set you free.
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Msg: 50 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/10/2012 10:23:57 PM
HawkingJr, I've pissed off my share, of course I'm a bit older. See I won't be intimidated, and I love people in general. Of course I'm just as likely to say hi to a gal or guy, hey were stuck in line, might be another good friend. Regardless most people like passing time, and everybody is interesting, what's their life about, what's their skill. That's how you build your network of friends, associates as you go through life, it starts by saying hi. And hey if it's a girl, she turns out to be single, and she shows an interest, well you might be in trouble, but she may also be the one. The few girls that get upset just because I am so bold as to say hi to the likes of them, well hey that's their problem, I'm not throwing my life away because of their hate. And I'm glad to ignore them if ever we cross path again. Like I said, they are the easy ones, they are certainly the wrong girl, easy enough to move on.

Infinity_G, Yes common hobbies are good meting places, indeed that is how I met my Lawyer Chick. Cyber Cafe'

Gwendolyn2010, Your age is showing but you still look good.

*Cowboy*, hey if it works for you, and your comfortable, awesome. I'm the opposite though, I like being the helper. And yes I always help anyone that asks advice in Home Depot, or anywhere, but in truth, I'm much more impressed with a girl that can tell me something I didn't know, about something I thought I knew well.

Fleuron, Oscar Wilde hey? Well not my cup of tea, but hey, glad to hear their just may one day be that someone for you, and it could even happen in a Grocery Store! There is hope for you after all. Well hope you find him or he finds you. Might try hanging out at GS down Broadway though, would bet you would increase your chances.

Sciencetreker, I am that old man, but still often do that still, good to hear you have such manners. But on undressing every girl in your mind, that does go away with time.

Iconoclast_ Go ask him out.

MyNameWasTaken2, Venice, Loved it, better then the real Venice. San Antonio, was based there, seemed not too Military friendly, and what's that gamboling town there, yikes. Your small towns are great, always feel welcome when stopping by.

abelian, I actually agree with you, I like smart women.

livingwithadog, thanks didn't know that. I am asked that question almost every time I go to the GS, and, no clue, I don't eat the dang things. But maybe I can be of some help next time.

DragonBits, Never asked for a number either, but have had a few stuffed in my pocket.

wanderer1999, Put that way yes, and didn't think of it that way. But let me add, status. A few venues in my life put me on stage, and girls are attracted to that. And I have been in a few positions of power, and again women are attracted. However I did not like the girls I attracted in any of those, which would tend to say I was somehow unhappy with myself, but not so, however I do like the Hermit me much better.

moraima, Stop and think about it. How often can even a small town weather man walk into a GS, and ever be left alone enough to buy his Groceries? He cant, he has to go far enough away, where no one knows him to gain any piece.

abmccray :)

atasteof_lace, They are fools not to hit on you, shame on them :) Seriously, you don't look unapproachable to me, and you sound like a nice person. But why don't you just break the ice?

browneyesboo, No you look plenty pretty, your just a people person, not an Ice Queen

Irish71, luv u 2, and thanks for the compliment.

purfectmeow, Cats usually howl, as mine is reminding me outside my window right now.

pfif, Actually with a reprogrammed cellphone they can read your card swipe from almost a block away. Of course you can also reprogram a cell phone to read those nifty RFID chips that they tried to push on us with that Real ID crap. So if they are just looking over your shoulder, it just means they are not that smart in the first place.

sexandthepof, That's where we will all end up looking for a date if we ever listen to some of these girls, of course I'm sure there is something wrong with that too.
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Msg: 29 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/9/2012 12:23:05 PM
Sory to hear of your Mom purfectmeow, good that she has you two around. Good to hear you consider him. Ever thought of using your brother as a lever then, a polite way of saying your not available but would reward the guy for his help, ie. We truly could not afford to pay you for your advice, but my brother and I put on a heck of a barbeque if we could convince you to drop by and take a look at what we are doing. It's including your brother and making a new friend. Such might even help for guys you are interested in, making them friends with your brother and keeping the piece. And such tells the guy right up front, he ain't going to let me date you unless you make a good impression on him too.

onlydateIF, The fates are mischievous, and not always for good reasons, maybe for a greater good, but. They are one of my favorite studies in Theology, as well as a favorite attraction in entertainment. I think my favorite book on the topic would be, what was it, A Tangled Web We Weave, by Piers Anthony. Am glad to hear you appreciate a gentleman, you would be surprised at how often we hear "I can open my own d** door, what do you think I am an invalid". Just like being helpful, don't like making people unhappy. Of course I am getting old enough these days that I could probably set away with giving some of these young ladies a lecture in manners. Thanks onlydateIF for being a kind heart.

TheLongSpring, well if your Mom is also your Grandma, I'd say you might want to consider some other options. But most major chain Grocery Stores, like those you named, will consider demographics before building a store just anywhere; thus picking up a date there is a lot less likely to result in genetic misfit being born of the union.

Gwendolyn2010, titanium hey? I don't think I could have stopped laughing long enough to think of something else to say. Holey Cow, I mean... that guy needs to get a rebate on that line, d** I still can't stop laughing.

Ok, took a moment to get my breath back. The great "WHY" question. It is an honest question. As men and women both we often do not understand why someone we are attracted to is not attracted to us, especially after ever repeated recurrences of this phenomena. We do both begin to build an inferiority complex. We begin to think there is something wrong with us. Indeed that is the furthest thing from the truth. If Love was easy, it wouldn't be special; even mutual attraction being uncommon. A no was only an easy out in the process of elimination to finding Mr or Mrs Right. The yeses that we later find out should have been noes are truly the hard ones.

Bourne2LuvU, much worse actually. I have met women that were raised to believe that they were nothing until a man took interest in them, and for that man they should then tailor their whole life around making that man happy. Scary but true.

NonamousDog, good analogy, but let me add one. Out here around Vegas, the population is very transient. Of course you have a very large Tourist base, thousands, or millions of people that are only here for a week, or maybe a month. But you also have a large base of people that move here for one reason or another only to find that they can't handle it, this is a Desert, our heat is, no exaggeration, Lethal. The point I am making, is the person you see in the Grocery Store today, you will likely never see ever again in your life.

abelian, not to jump in on any misunderstandings or mis meants. But, chit chat is a social skill at every level. first if we couldn't communicate there would be no society at all. Second there are many people that are to some degree homophobic, afraid to leave their house, or small circle of friends. Third, try to chit chat with someone of a language that you are not familiar with. Communication is always a skill, maybe overlooked or discounted, but it is the very skill that raises us above the animals that we are.

browneyesboo, simplicity is beautiful.

Fleuron, That's funny! I like it. But honestly if i ran into you at a Grocery Store I would probably just return your cold shoulder. I do think you are missing out on a lot in life, but it is your life. Yet I would add, why are you bothering to post here if you are so set on not wanting to talk to others.
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Msg: 18 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/8/2012 4:52:42 PM
UniquelyPassionateCandy. Heard that same story forever, indeed the reason I had posted on another form that it never happens to me, and truly thought this thread would take on the, see, be careful what you ask for, line. It didn't :~

Reg_Herring, in regards to all your posts, buy you chose your name well. :)

Infinity_G, I wouldn't have tried the second time, why do that to yourself? But are right the next guy may just hit it off great. That's singular attraction vs mutual attraction, happens all the time and eventually that mutual will be you. And yes it sometimes is the line, but more often it is just attraction. And it is a beginning. However what is wrong with a Doctors Waiting Room, if you both click, she may just be Mrs Perfect.

purfectmeow, I love your brother, leading him on just for that perfect garden landscape... Well ok, not so bad. But I've has the hard end of that stick. Nursemaided one girl for seven years, all the way through Law School. She use to call me the most quotable man she ever knew. We'd eat peanut butter sandwiches down by the crick while I helped her with her papers, played frisbee with her dog while helping her cram for an exam, all the while with her reminding me that these were not dates, she would not date till after she graduated. And I always respected that and never asked. I enjoyed our moments, as I enjoyed helping her, and patients has never been a problem for me. But it cut deep, when after her graduation, after seven years, she dropped the bomb, not ten years her senior, I was too old. She literally married some drunk in a bar, or so one of her friends told me later in life, she was a drunk before me, but I was her sobriety, and her ticket to the Law Degree she so coveted, but I was just a piece of toilet paper in the end.

Don't mean to be mean to you purfectmeow, I think you know, I do like you as a person. Just saying, us guys are fragile too, tread carefully.

GurugiGets, Getting laid is never a problem. You must not have looked at my profession GurugiGets. I could get laid for every hour of every day, of every week, for the rest of my life if I wanted to, well that may be a short life as I'm sure my heart would give out long before that. But, Love, real Love, mutual attraction, a total caring for each other, sharing each others lives, total complimentary personalities, more. That is the person that is hard to find, the person I am looking for. And trust me, it wont start off in the bedroom, maybe from behind the camera, but not from sex meaning no more then a handshake. Dude if that's your gig, that's fine for you. I'll never condemn you for it. It's not for me, and we're not all that way.

Bourne2LuvU, Been there, done that. Oh younger days... Girls don't beat this gentleman up to bad. There are plenty of women that love to flirt, indeed there are girls that will go out of their way to flirt enjoying the thought of knowing that you can not do anything about it without risking your job. Bourne2LuvU, don't sweat it, just smile and continue being the gentleman you are. And trust me, if the girl is truly interested, she'll slip you her phone number without you ever having to ask.

Coma White, Two thumbs up.
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Msg: 11 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/7/2012 7:48:58 AM
RT_2 Aldi, cheep grocery store in Vegas, surely you jest, and I could only wish. But yes I do as a mater of habit check for a ring, not that it matters in the realm of polite conversation, but certainly I'm always testing the waters when there is no ring, like seeing if she's interested in cars, etc. I didn't see a ring, but she did have nervous hands. Should have been a clue to stay away.

BLoNde__ANgeL, let me second that.

Gwendolyn2010

"Hey, how are ya?" and, "Oh, my, well, how ARE you?"

Well said, only I wish the girls would learn it too, I do truly regret having not picked up on a couple of those girls that only made conversation and meant more. But, oh well, you can't win them all.

mysterioustallmn, stalkers, I don't think anyone likes them, well I'm sure there is someone that does, but... Had a few too many of those myself. Ug, and yikes. I do love people, and greatly enjoy talking to most anyone, so I understand the anxiety the early part of this post, but I won't let those few bad ruin my life, I'm not going to change, just because I might pick up a creep. Sounds like you did the right thing regarding yours.

miami_man81 I seem to run into that bf problem most in Auto Part stores. A girl that knows about cars is always an instant attraction to me, but they always already have a bf.

Fleuron, Indeed, and probably the biggest reason I moved to the next line, my gut was telling me she was on the prowl, looking for someone to cheat with, not my scene. As attractive as she was, and as magnetic as her interest in me was, my guts were turning, saying, run! The husband, was as I said a slip, she looked away when she slipped, and made to cover her mouth, but then changed course and made lite of it.

bigbellyoflaughs, wish it were that simple.

Infinity_G, I think your saying that anyone is approachable, and I agree. Everyone wears something, or is buying something that says something about them, and if that something is interesting, there is your point in common, your spark of interest.
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Msg: 9 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/6/2012 6:20:40 PM
Boy, what a lot of negativity. Girls, if you prejudge everything and everyone how are you going to find someone you might like. Life is too short to throw it all away vested in such negative energy. Embrace the moment for whatever beauty it may bring, because that moment you will never have again. And I can tell you for a fact, from experience, we get old much too quickly, and wonder how we could have done better, how we could have enjoyed, or enriched life more. But all we can ever do anything about is hear and now, a new moment to embrace.

As for guys hoping that you mean more then what you say and asking you out, well hey you can find another planet if you like, but this one here, the man is suppose to ask, and if he doesn't trust me he will spend a long life alone. What is so hard about a polite, "thanks, but no thanks"?

As for Bars as the prime Dating Arena, ug, and we wonder why the Divorce Rate is so high. We don't make good decisions while Drunk or High. Being able to talk with someone, should be the first step in any "good" relationship. And being able to remember what the other said would be a nice second step.

As for conversation talk, vs interest. Well I'm sure I've missed a few ques over the years from girls that girls that can only think to ask what I thought of the weather, even been told by friends how I hurt some girls feelings that I didn't ask them out after such. But when the right girl is interested in you it shows.

I had a good experience at the GS, it left me feeling happy, a little sad that she wasn't available, but it felt good to have someone express an interest in me. If we could all do that for each other, instead of the negatives, what a beautiful world this would be.

flaneur001, You Go Girl! Beautiful attitude, beautiful outlook!
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Msg: 19 (view)
 
Insecurity and Anxiety
Posted: 7/6/2012 12:54:22 PM
A lot of good advice here, some bad; but let me add my two cents. First of all, stop, relax, take in a deep breath and let it out slowly, do it again but think of nothing but that breath. Relax.

Now, maybe some simple facts will help. 99% of the guys out here are wrong for you. Then even when we think we have found Mr, or Mrs Right, something still goes wrong years later because they weren't the one. There are a lot more Wrongs then there are Rights, which means, the odds are we are going to make a lot of mistakes before we can find the beautiful relationship we are looking for.
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Msg: 1 (view)
 
Grocery Store Dating.
Posted: 7/6/2012 12:30:23 PM
I just commented, yesterday I think it was, about having never found someone in a Grocery Store, then last night it happens. This great looking chick in front of me at the checkout counter hits on me. Ok when I was younger this may have happened a lot, not in a Grocery Store, but at School, at College, and especially when I worked the Circuses and Carnivals, even in the Military. But as I've gotten Old, that all faded away. To be hit on again made my day, to say the least. Beautiful girl, very sincere, open, intelligent. But then she let that Husband word slip out, her expression said that was an oops, and worse I could see the hurt in her eyes as I walked away.

Did I read her wrong, maybe, but I don't think so. There will always be that male female uncertainty / misreading between the sexes, survival of the species animal attraction vs polite society. But I am certain that if she hadn't been married, we would have had a very enriching evening.

Why did the Fates deliver me a Married Woman? Well guess I might look a little more toward Grocery Shopping next time, or is it maybe I should stop avoiding the crowds and shop more often early in the month?
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Msg: 5 (view)
 
assertive / agressive women
Posted: 7/6/2012 11:38:53 AM
purfectmeow

omg men that can read and write~ lol


purfectmeow you might try dating guys outside of Themyscira, for a change. :) Couldn't resist.

I do concur, "add it to your profile". Personally I neither like aggression or assertiveness, but I do like a girl that speaks up, has an opinion, etc. even if it is contrary to mine. And hey, there is nothing wrong with a girl asking me out.
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Msg: 8 (view)
 
The ~Meet Me~ feature.....
Posted: 7/4/2012 7:34:25 PM
vestaceres, why do the good girls have to live so far away?
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Msg: 27 (view)
 
Would you date someone who admitted to previous affairs
Posted: 7/1/2012 3:15:58 PM
tgrlily2day, A simple answer to your question, why lie, because brutal honesty don't get you dates. Look at my profile. Would you date me? Most would not, and most people don't like being alone, and will often do what it takes to, fudge a little, to not be alone. Personally I don't care if 99.9% of the girls don't want to date me, I am only looking for that one, if she's out there.

Now Welsh474, Are you referring to Doctor Phill? "annoying bald guy with a tv show says - "past behaviour is a good predictor of future behaviour". And the old standby "if they cheated with you, they'll cheat on you". I hope not as I would be sadly disappointed to think he would make such a large error. Study after study has shown that not to be the case, I might even get ornery and dig out some of my old text books and sight a few studies if this thread progresses. Studies show that 90%, yes 90%, one of the few if not only statistic men and women are equal in, 90% of all men and women cheat at least once in their lifetime. Now, forgive me in that I do not remember the numbers for two time cheaters, but it was significantly lower, serial cheaters being much lower indeed. And that is where I stand as the Social Psychologist that I am, not that that means all that much, as I am also human, but after ten years of College you'd think I might soak up something, professional student :) but also a Veteran. and Miss Welsh474 not everybody that doesn't hate cheaters is hiding their cheating ways, some of us can just accept what others can't. However statistics do agree with you on that one, the number of men and women who have never told their spouse that they cheated is also high.
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Msg: 22 (view)
 
Would you date someone who admitted to previous affairs
Posted: 7/1/2012 7:30:07 AM
amethyst10616

Moral character is not about never making a mistake. It is knowing that you made a mistake, owning it, and moving forward with resolve that you will not make that same mistake again.


You hit the nail on the head, that is "true" morals. We are all human, but a good person wants to better themselves. (but please don't qualify that with the beaters, there is just no excuse for beating one another, well I guess maybe if that is your kink, but, no)

Sciencetreker, Good on the Psychology, please take a couple of human sexuality classes though before using "majority of people" incorrectly. Statistics do not agree with you.
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Msg: 2 (view)
 
POF formula broken regarding hobbies
Posted: 7/1/2012 6:59:35 AM
Haven't found that advanced search, I'll have to look harder.

As for the sex sights, you hit the nail on the head, the women there typically want too much sex, not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just not me. And hiding my photography just to get a date I think would only lead to a disaster, I'm not just looking for a date, I'm looking for mrs right. My photograph, had one more socially acceptable up here quite some time ago, and the women literally flocked, gold diggers, every one. (oh, and the adult stuff was in my profile then too). Anyhow I want a country girl, down to earth, hard working... If I wanted a girl to sit on a mantle and look pretty while I showered her with money, I'll just take the picture, it last longer, and it's cheaper. Didn't know that about the muscle thing though, interesting.
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Msg: 13 (view)
 
Would you date someone who admitted to previous affairs
Posted: 6/30/2012 7:30:58 PM
I don't get mad over something that trivial.
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Msg: 11 (view)
 
Would you date someone who admitted to previous affairs
Posted: 6/30/2012 7:13:17 PM
No problem, sex is highly overrated and human flesh is weak. The fact that she'd confide in me, just made her that much more desirable. Sadly I have never cheated, as some of those swing parties look totally awesome. But sex without love just looses too much. Maybe someday.
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
Hikes this spring/summer 2012
Posted: 6/29/2012 9:51:50 PM
Singles hikes would be awesome, would love to find some down south. Have walked much of the mountains from NW of Vegas, to Tonapah over the past 15+ years: Death Valley, Tecopa, Pahrump, Crystal, Amagosa, Lathrup Wells Beatty, Springdale, Sacrobatus Flats, Scotty's Castle, Gold Point, Gold Field, etc. Truly one of the qualities I am looking for in a woman, someone to enjoy such exploration with. The true interest, what's over the next mountain? But dogs need to run loose, it's the mountains.
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Msg: 12 (view)
 
Best places to meet girls in Vegas
Posted: 6/29/2012 6:48:31 PM
Ok, girls don't like to be propositioned in the gym, girls don't like to be propositioned at work, girls don't like to be propositioned, here or there. Bla, bla, bla. I'll tell you what, if you don't ask, you wont know. And I promise there are girls that go to the gym in hopes of getting a date, even girls who take jobs for the chance of dating a guy that works there. There are girls who do this or that in hopes of being asked out. And it may seem like a catch 22, but it's not. I doubt you can read minds, so if you never ask the odds are you will go through life alone, besides who wants the nags and whiners anyhow. In my opinion, they should wear a ring or at least a T-shirt if they don't want propositioned.
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Msg: 3 (view)
 
Bathroom pictures? Really?
Posted: 6/29/2012 6:21:54 PM
I happen to like Bathroom Pix. If you don't, we're not a mach, that's simple. Next Please.
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
The ~Meet Me~ feature.....
Posted: 6/29/2012 6:09:26 PM
I have to agree on a different level. Clicked on the Meet Me button and the fist girl is on the opposite side of the next state. Not cool, but read her profile anyhow, she actually sounded pretty interesting, maybe I would drive two or three hundred miles to meet this girl. So I vest the time to compose a nice heartfelt note to her, then zing it gets toasted because her preferences have a mileage limit in them. So why is the Meat Me function delivering her profile to me at all, let alone number one, when it is impossible to contact her?
 
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